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3:21 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog chewed on.
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5:00 AM
@Glorfindel Curious question, but couldn't help but ask: is the fact that you spelled "Atwood" as "Atwoord" have something to do with pronunciation in the Dutch language?
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6:01 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yes, probably. 'Woord' is our word for 'word'. Thanks for catching that!
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7:25 AM
Snapped from inside a moving car with my phone camera
It's pouring.
8:10 AM
I got a text from a courier saying I have a delivery in 90 minutes. Not expecting anything other than something my dad ordered and the tracking number dosen't match
Also... Apparently the courier is called skynet 🤔
9 messages moved to Chimney
@JourneymanGeek I think you can safely send the courier away. He'll be back.
@Catija oh... forgot it. Thanks!
@Rob well, probably result of account nuked on each site, without removing the network profile...
@Mithical nice! Rain started here too, expected to become a storm later. :/
@JourneymanGeek hehe... reminds me I once got SMS about delivery made for totally different person.
@M.A.R. hopefully with words. :)
@πάνταῥεῖ Shawarma? I ate it a while ago, but usually these days I eat Hummus. Melawach at home, for dinner, sometimes. :D
Heh, 6 distinct pings. impressed with self
Whoa.... -1742... now that's a record that will be really hard to break.
8:39 AM
@ShadowTheBurningWizard let me post a question about mandatory comments with a down vote and see how it goes ....
No way you'll get more than 50 downvotes
Unless.... you'll have a mod feature it....
@JAD sort by votes... go to last page... you'll see.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard well, you can easily get at least 40 by making people notice that mods had to take full days off the site thanks to your "jokes".....
8:55 AM
@ShadowTheBurningWizard oh, just some grouchy ones who won a free headache last April, 1st....
I left you a message in the other room. Don't really want to discuss that here.
No pinned messages?!
@JourneymanGeek Why delete meta.stackexchange.com/q/341771/377214? It seemed like a valid migration candidate for Workplace Meta. (Was going to flag, but you deleted the question before I could submit the flag.)
9:11 AM
> Focus on the problem, not the user.
The problem is a deleted question, not who deleted it.
They can reask a better one if they want.
Well, not everyone shares the same mindset. For instance, if Catija were to come across the same question, she would have probably migrated it.
@Tinkeringbell :-P
@Tinkeringbell You missed the 15 star pin chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=8134292#8134292
I may not understand a given person's thought process. So I want to know what it was, so I can understand it.
9:13 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog So, be glad you didn't flag it then. It'll be a few hours before Catija wakes up so your flag would've been declined before that ;)
@Rob got auto unpinned
Yep, that one was pinned...
Yes, up to you people to reissue or leave it.
We can re-pin it, but I trust people here to not need such a reminder for more than 2 weeks ;)
9:15 AM
Without the sign / rule, new world order ...
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog migration from MSE to other sites is very rare. I agree with it being rare and see it as way to educate the users. If we'll start migrating many off topic questions, users will just keep posting them on MSE, counting on the mods to migrate it for them.
So a comment saying it's off topic and should be asked elsewhere is enough.
Tell that to the mods and CMs who do migrate these questions
(More than enough actually, the close banner also explain it's specific to single site, in that case)
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I don't say "Never migrate", just "It shouldn't be done very often"
Or in other words, I understand and agree when off topic questions are deleted rather than migrated.
In any case, though, I want to know what pushed Journeyman Geek toward deletion rather than migration, so I have another data point in training my NN to know when to flag for migration.
Truly wonderful questions might be migrated, but it's an exception. On other sites they might rely on it being a bit less wonderful but a fair mistake as to which site it's a better fit.
9:20 AM
Kay. Data point was provided... can we talk fun stuff now? :D
(aka we can't know unless we travel into @Journeyman's brain. ;))
@Tinkeringbell sure!
!!/fun stuff
@ShadowTheBurningWizard No such command 'fun'.
Or not
!!/coffee fun
@ShadowTheBurningWizard brews a cup of Macchiato for @fun
9:23 AM
I just had tea! :D
I had this earlier this morning:
Yeah, I just saw that on Twitter ;)
She really looks burned ;)
And didn't Like?!
Why would I like burned food!? :P
You'll have to do better than that.
You know what...I'll admit I was a little conflicted there. I saw a question on Workplace that I was legitimately interested in in my Google feed (more stringent criteria than HNQ), but when I followed the link to it, it was deleted.
I thought that that was the one being asked about here, but I did some further searching and found the question being asked about here was not that one.
Could easily be, that's not the point.
@Tinkeringbell Here's a little less done
@Sonic my advise: don't try to understand mind process of other people, it's the same as trying to understand why posts are downvoted. You can't really know either, and usually won't get any useful reply when asking directly.
@Rob Where?!
9:30 AM
It takes a moment.
I'd rather eat one of those though...
Looks better than the one with chocolate ;)
@Rob imgur API is slow, yeah. But I always upload first, copy the link and send the initial message here with the URL in clipboard. ;)
@Tinkeringbell I buy about 40 of those every week, kids eat at least 2 every day.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog it wasn't a very good question, and typical precident in such cases. Also the Vegas rule.
9:33 AM
You roll a dice?!
I get croissants for breakfast on Monday and Thursday. Tuesday is a banana, Wednesdays and Fridays I often skip ;)
I know the Hollywood rule, but not the Vegas rule
@ShadowTheBurningWizard what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas 😁
@JourneymanGeek hahahaha
@Tinkeringbell for me it wasn't breakfast, just a bonus. :D
9:34 AM
Oh, that's bad!
Too many calories :P
counting calories
@Tinkeringbell Too bad they don't have Costco in the Netherlands, or you could get them for super cheap (freshly baked).
$0.50 apiece
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog cheaper here. $0.3 for each, freshly baked.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I think Lidl has 4 for a euro
(when you buy 10 only)
9:36 AM
or 0.29 a piece
let's see accurate rate...
> 10 Israeli New Shekel equals
2.89 United States Dollar
So it's 0.29 indeed
Now no one can knock your cooking, it's supposed to be like that.
My only points of comparison are those served at Caffe Medici in Austin, and those served on Emirates flights
9:39 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog of what? Buns?
Here they're sold almost anywhere.
And not cheap... 3 NIS for one.
@Tinkeringbell And on the weekends...let me guess...stroopwafels?
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Hmm, no, mostly Knäckebröd.
we're not in Sweden, are we?
9:42 AM
So, I'm not allowed to eat Knäckebröd with Gouda cheese?
My brother puts boterhamworst on Knäckebröd....
boter what?
Worst ham?!
boterham worst
sandwichbread sausage
Seen better. ;)
Anyhow, should go on bread, according to the name, not Knäckebröd :P
So "worst" is sausage, in Dutch?
9:44 AM
And rookworst without an r is ook worst!
And people still eat it?? :D
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Yes, different pronunciation ;)
9:48 AM
I'm surprised there's no worst puns. They are the wurst
> I ate the worst wurst yesterday
Come one, there have to be better ones out there!
Ugh, sweet potato!
9:51 AM
Yum Yum
Not my favorite...
Too bad! It's sweet and it's potato. ;)
@JourneymanGeek Taking a tern for the wurst: when food is so scarce that people have to resort to catching seagulls to make into sausages.
It's... the wrong kind of sweet?
The kind that leaves a bitter aftertaste
@PM2Ring I'm not sure if I should star that or kick you 😁
9:54 AM
I've starred.
So if you kick, we'll have a mod-fight :P
@Tinkeringbell Interesting. I've sometimes had sweet potato that had a slightly odd flavour, but that's pretty rare, in my experience. I like them steamed or baked. They do need to be cooked properly, though. If they're under-done they can give some people a bellyache.
@PM2Ring Hmm, this one didn't taste under-done, more likely over-done?
It was really soft and mushy
Seagull sausage, would be fowl
@Tinkeringbell Overdone should be ok, if the sweet potato was ok. But if it's too old, and not stored properly, they can go a bit squishy, especially if they get damp. I'm not sure if that's bacteria, or enzymes getting the sweet potato ready to sprout.
But definitely don't eat them when they're like that. If you're the cook, you can cut the soft bits off, if only a small part of the tuber is affected (they're also slightly darker than the normal bits, especially in orange sweet potatoes). Otherwise, toss it!
10:06 AM
Mom made it, I would probably not have picked sweet potato to begin with when there's plenty of regular potatoes to eat ;)
FWIW, a couple of years ago, when I was living up north, near Coffs Harbour, I "discovered" an orange sweet potato at the back of the cupboard that had started to sprout. So I planted it. When I harvested it, I got a nice bucketful of sweet potatoes. I must admit I got kinda sick of them for a while after that. :)
Try with onion too, it grows "branches" when you put its bottom in water
On the topic of starchy tuberous plants, there's cassava. "extensively cultivated as an annual crop in tropical and subtropical regions for its edible starchy tuberous root [...] It must be properly prepared before consumption, as improper preparation of cassava can leave enough residual cyanide to cause acute cyanide intoxication"
@Tinkeringbell Tell her not to feed you rotting vegetables. I bet that would go down well :D My Mum grew up with food rationing during & following WWII. She never completely got over her "frugal" habits with food.
@PM2Ring I believe the same goes for potatoes, aren't they the same plant family or something? Goes to get the book of deadly plants
@PM2Ring Oh, I think she just didn't know... She hadn't cooked sweet potato before either ;)
Oh, nope... potatoes are a form of nightshade.
10:25 AM
@Tinkeringbell Different family. Potatoes are in the Nightshade family. If the tubers get too much light they can turn green & produce high levels of an undesirable alkaloid, solanine. Small quantities of solanine can be produced in other members of the family, eg eggplant & tomatoes, although the concentrations normally vary greatly, depending on the part of the plant.
@PM2Ring Yeah, beat you to it :P
@Tinkeringbell mumble.... this one?
According to book:
> Even lounging under the trees might be dangerous: rain dripping off them could cause rashes and itching.
I want one.
And apparently pina colada's help if you do eat the fruit (because of the milk those contain)
Other members of the family include Deadly Nightshade, capsicum (bell peppers in the USA), chili, tobacco, cocaine, and datura (known since ancient times in Europe & the Americas for its strange psychoactive properties).
10:31 AM
Aaaand, I need to learn to read the transcript!
You know, I might've been confusing it with nightshade :P
@terdon Good morning to you too :)
I do know why I messed it up though... the nightshade is near the cassave in this book :)
A guy from South America (Peru, IIRC), said they have lots of different potato varieties back home. And some of the tastiest ones are also the most toxic. Eg, there's a variety that they grate coarsely, then rinse in running water for a week before it's safe to eat. One wonders how people ever discovered stuff like that. I guess hunger can make you pretty desperate.
10:35 AM
One of the worst is Hogweed:
Phytophotodermatitis, also known as berloque dermatitis or margarita photodermatitis, is a cutaneous phototoxic inflammatory reaction resulting from contact with a light-sensitizing botanical agent followed by exposure to ultraviolet light (from the sun, for instance). Symptoms include erythema, edema, blisters (vesicles and/or bullae), and delayed hyperpigmentation. Heat and moisture tend to exacerbate the reaction. A reaction may be elicited in any person who has been exposed to adequate amounts of both a photosensitizing agent and ultraviolet light. Phytophotodermatitis is not an immunologic...
@PM2Ring Well, someone eats it and dies, then someone thinks of trying to wash it and dies, then someone thinks of washing it even better and gets seriously ill but survives XD
@Rob Oh, yeah, don't touch those.
I think it's better for this question to be locked with one of the other reasons or simply closed, as it's no longer possible for users who previously posted answers to respond to comments on their answers from staff. (Historically locked posts can't be flagged, so posting here.)
I've seen them so many times and not known what they were.
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, but you gotta wonder at the logic: "Oooh, look, Thag tried that plant and died! Let's try it too, but wash it first in case that makes a difference! Yay!"
Presumably, they invented alcohol first...
@Rob Giant Bears Claw, in Dutch. Pretty cool name for a plant :)
@terdon Of course they did!
gets the book of plants that get you drunk
10:38 AM
That sounds like a Castor
@terdon They had various more interesting intoxicants in South America... ;)
pulque is an 'old' alcoholic drink from over there, I think
@Tinkeringbell And ayahuasca
true, true
But that level of stupidity is more associated with alcohol than psychedelics.
> We know from remnant found at archeological digs that agave was cultivated, roasted and eaten 8 thousand years ago; the sweet sap would have been drunk as well.
10:43 AM
Ayahuasca (UK: , US: ) or ayaguasca (in Hispanicized spellings) and aioasca (in Portuguese spelling), from Quechua Ayawaska (aya: soul, waska: vine), or yagé (), is an entheogenic brew made out of Banisteriopsis caapi vine and other ingredients. The brew is used as a traditional spiritual medicine in ceremonies among the indigenous peoples of the Amazon basin and is known by a number of different names (see below).B. caapi contains several alkaloids that act as monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs). Another common ingredient in ayahuasca is the shrub Psychotria viridis which contains the primary...
@Rob Yeah, it's a drink but not an alcoholic one :)
Alcohol isn't a useful component
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT or N,N-DMT) is a chemical substance that occurs in many plants and animals and which is both a derivative and a structural analog of tryptamine. It can be consumed as a psychedelic drug and has historically been prepared by various cultures for ritual purposes as an entheogen. DMT is illegal in most countries. DMT has a rapid onset, intense effects and a relatively short duration of action. For those reasons, DMT was known as the "business trip" during the 1960s in the United States, as a user could access the full depth of a psychedelic experience in considerably less...
I don't think there was a lot of alcohol in the Americas, until the Europeans arrived. There was some, but it wasn't widespread like beers & wines in Europe & Asia.
@PM2Ring Alcoholic beverages made from cassava include cauim and tiquira (Brazil), kasiri (Guyana, Suriname), impala (Mozambique), masato (Peruvian Amazonia chicha), parakari or kari (Guyana), nihamanchi (South America) also known as nijimanche (Ecuador and Peru), ö döi (chicha de yuca, Ngäbe-Bugle, Panama), sakurá (Brazil, Suriname), and tarul ko jaarh (Darjeeling, Sikkim, India).
@PM2Ring There was tequila
10:47 AM
There's probably more than you think ;)
> Pre-Columbian Native Americans in Mexico and Central America prepared over forty different alcoholic beverages from a variety of plants and plant extracts
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Not pre-European. They didn't have distillation technology.
@Tinkeringbell Ok. But I bet they were mainly ceremonial, in most places, not drinks that were consumed daily.
@PM2Ring Yeah, that's kinda what happens if you can drink the water ;)
But anywhere that people ground up starchy stuff to make bread, they were bound to discover a form of beer, sooner or later. Also, any fruit juice or over-ripe fruit quickly gets some alcohol content if the weather's warm enough (and you don't have a fridge).
10:53 AM
they didn't have fridges in the americas?
@PM2Ring I really doubt that. Do you have a source? My understanding is that pretty much everyone regularly drank mildly alcoholic (fermented, not distilled) beverages since that was the only way of getting clean water.
@JAD Not many ancient peoples explored refrigeration technology. But the Persians did some pretty interesting stuff. Eg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l
Which also goes a long way towards explaining human history. It all makes sense if you think that people were just constantly mildly drunk for most of our history.
> In ancient Egypt, beer was so essential it was treated principally as a type of food – it was consumed daily and in great quantities at religious festivals and celebrations. Beer was an essential for labourers, like those who built the pyramids of Giza, who were provided with a daily ration of 1⅓ gallons (over 10 pints). Yet it still had divine status, with several gods and goddesses associated with beer.
Although I would take anything the British say about beer with a grain of salt. They are far from objective on the subject :P
11:04 AM
@terdon Wikipedia seems to confirm that alcohol in pre-columbian america was mostly limited to ceremonial use/feasts.
Though it may have been colored by how things were reported upon.
@terdon Sorry, I don't really have a source regarding alcohol in pre-Columbian America (which is why I wasn't more assertive in my statement). Wikipedia says:
By the time the Europeans reached the Americas in the 15th century, several native civilizations had developed alcoholic beverages. According to a post-conquest Aztec document, consumption of the local "wine" (pulque) was generally restricted to religious ceremonies but was freely allowed to those who were older than 70 years.
It's definitely true that in Europe mildly alcoholic beverages were a way to get a 'clean' drink.
(cont) The natives of South America produced a beer-like beverage from cassava or maize, which had to be chewed before fermentation in order to turn the starch into sugar. (Beverages of this kind are known today as cauim or chicha.)
@PM2Ring Yeah, I don't know either, I'm just curious. It may very well be that the Americans used alcohol less.
Heh, somehow I coded something that makes Xcode's editor crash and the compiler segfault.
11:08 AM
Well, that WP page you linked to lists a lot of pre-columbian drinks.
@bjb568 Yep, that sentence fits right in to a conversation about alcohol ;)
@terdon In Australia, alcohol was virtually unknown, before European contact. I suppose there would have been some in the tropical north of the continent (there was also some interaction up there with people from Indonesia, etc). But not in the more temperate parts down south.
@bjb568 good! Now you can sell it for millions to hackers security companies. :D
11:32 AM
@PM2Ring really? Even animals get drunk on rotting fruit. Are you sure an actual human society did not?
Humans don't eat rotten fruit... ;)
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I bet you'll find they did before they invented better ways of getting intoxicated. I don't know, but since I know that several animals do it, I would be very surprised if humans didn't.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Durian
it is rotten by default
Also, wow. Wikipedia has a page on alcohol in Australia with an entire section on "History" and not even a mention of anything before the Europeans came. Just... wow.
@terdon well maybe in some rituals, not sure... never looked into it
@Hitodama but do people actually eat it?
We have instinct to avoid anything with bad smell and/or look.... no?
11:36 AM
Hell, humans eat rotting milk, rotting cabbage, rotting meat, why stop at fruit?
@ShadowTheBurningWizard yes, oddly enough people eat it.
@terdon rotten soy beans....
@ShadowTheBurningWizard You obviously don't come from a culture that's big on cheeses ;)
@terdon I don't eat any of those
11:37 AM
See: Natto
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Oh? You don't eat cheese?
Or sourkraut?
@terdon I love my cheese without rot ;)
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Then it isn't cheese.
It's just milk.
Rot is just fermentation, and we eat all sorts of fermented products.
11:38 AM
Still not sure...
(about humans eating rotting things as a usual thing in the past)
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I wasn't joking. Cheese is rotten milk. Just a specific type of "rotten". But if it ain't rotted (fermented) it ain't cheese.
Or already half digested.
Sauerkraut (; German: [ˈzaʊɐˌkʁaʊt] (listen), lit. "sour cabbage") is finely cut raw cabbage that has been fermented by various lactic acid bacteria. It has a long shelf life and a distinctive sour flavor, both of which result from the lactic acid formed when the bacteria ferment the sugars in the cabbage leaves. == Overview and history == Fermented foods have a long history in many cultures, with sauerkraut being one of the most well-known instances of traditional fermented moist cabbage side dishes. The Roman writers Cato (in his De Agri Cultura) and Columella (in his De re Rustica) mentioned...
Past? Very much in the present!
@terdon this doesn't appear to be rotten:
Cottage cheese?
11:39 AM
@terdon people in present overcome many natural barriers
That's milk curd.
@terdon good! Yes. :)
> Curd is a dairy product obtained by coagulating milk in a process called curdling
@ShadowTheBurningWizard It actually looks very much like the milk that was sitting on my counter this morning
So, rotten.
11:40 AM
@Mithical rofl
I give up...
I admit. I eat rotten food and I love it.
Yeah baby! Say it! You love it!
Um. Sorry. Got a bit excited there.
Cheese does things to me.
waffles are tasty too! :D
I blame the French.
@terdon you drunk!
Cooking is a technology enabling humans to digest non rotten food stuffs.
11:41 AM
@ShadowTheBurningWizard You know, after all these years, I would expect you to remember our bloody anniversary!
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I wish. It's 11:41 on a Wednesday morning at work. :0
@Hitodama actually no :D
@terdon hehehe now that's my wife.... :P
@terdon there's a book about this...
@JourneymanGeek I'm afraid to even ask.
Related to toilets? ;)
11:42 AM
Dream of the Rarebit Fiend is a newspaper comic strip by American cartoonist Winsor McCay, begun September 10, 1904. It was McCay's second successful strip, after Little Sammy Sneeze secured him a position on the cartoon staff of the New York Herald. Rarebit Fiend appeared in the Evening Telegram, a newspaper published by the Herald. For contractual reasons, McCay signed the strip with the pen name "Silas". The strip had no continuity or recurring characters, but a recurring theme: a character has a nightmare or other bizarre dream, usually after eating a Welsh rarebit—a cheese-on-toast dish...
@Raedwald cooking is the savior of humanity! :D
@JourneymanGeek heh
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica so can you. If you are fast enough actually
@JourneymanGeek I know I can, but why did SD do this?
11:49 AM
cause the spam was quickly nuked
We can manually delete SD message by replying GONE to the message as well
(up to 2 minutes after it's posted, of course.)
Works for non-reports as well.
I think.
!!/coffee delete
!!/coffee delete
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica brews a cup of Cappuccino for @delete
@Raedwald brews a cup of chamomile tea for @Raedwald
11:51 AM
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica brews a cup of Americano for @you
You didn't know the coffee command? @Ver
Just omit the name and SD will do it for you
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Judging by a peek at the code, it doesn't check anything. Just tries to delete whatever message you're responding to
Does stop still work?
@ShadowTheBurningWizard No, why would I
@terdon I did mention over-ripe fruit earlier. Native Australian plants generally don't have large juicy fruit. There are a few plants with small rather tart fruits (so low sugar content & probably rather resistant to fermentation), and some edible berries, though.
11:52 AM
@SmokeDetector Done
Also, Australian Aboriginal people were mostly nomadic, and didn't develop cooking technology like pots & pans. Or large sealable vessels for brewing stuff in.
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica most popular command, so if you're around you ought to know it... as you just did. ;)
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Oh, ok :)
Also, must be a reply to the message
11:53 AM
@SmokeDetector Hey come on what
@PM2Ring good point. I expect they'd still collect some fermented fruit, but quite possibly not, indeed. Interesting though :)
@SmokeDetector Poof
@ShadowTheBurningWizard oops, wrong message
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
11:54 AM
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica click the little arrow that looks like ENTER key to the right of the message when you hover over it with the mouse
@SmokeDetector I want a coffee ;-;
That would make a Reply to that message
@SmokeDetector Poof
@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
oh lol
Smart, can't abuse it without power. ;)
11:55 AM
@JAD lol
Works with "sd" too?
sd poof
*spills all over themselves because my mouth is still numb*
yup lol
@Mithical cold?
@ShadowTheBurningWizard this line probably: github.com/SmokeDetector/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…
@Mithical that's fun
can't feel half your face?
@SmokeDetector "We’re looking for enough rep to indicate that you’ve been around a little while: generally, 300 on one site will suffice." hmmmmm
It's been nearly two hours and it still hasn't worn off.
you don't want it to wear off
then you'll ache!
I can barely speak though, because my mouth won't respond!
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