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12:43 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog FYI...
geek@bast:~$ wget https://iplo.ru/1QFh87.png
--2020-01-07 00:41:11-- https://iplo.ru/1QFh87.png
Resolving iplo.ru (iplo.ru)... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘iplo.ru’
geek@bast:~$ ping iplo.ru
ping: unknown host iplo.ru
That's on my server in france. Pretty sure the server is down
@JourneymanGeek Interestingly, my VPN provider pulled out of Russia several years ago because their servers got hacked. (Thankfully, as traffic isn't logged, no data was exposed.)
Otherwise, I would have tested in Russia.
12:59 AM
likewise for sg
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1:59 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog The profile has been edited and the offending link removed. I've updated the answer.
2:18 AM
@JourneymanGeek If you check the ThreatCrowd link in my answer you'll notice that their RDNS Report says that the IP address changes their DNS name a few times per week.
This room has a delay for Smokey messages, you'll often be told it's already recently reported.
(User who made above post reported is currently suspended on another site)
2:35 AM
@Rob oh, if the link worked, I'd have replaced it with a imgur link :D
2:55 AM
@JourneymanGeek I think it was supposed to be the source link for the animated image in the spoiler: i.imgur.com/VLNp278.gif - that site has so much funny stuff going on it's not worth having a link to it (fortunately that website name is no longer valid) due to exploits such as buffet overflow exploits and various other annoyances.
@Rob only that the problem link is a png...
It can be an .apng and be named .png - the browser will accept it.
3:32 AM
@JourneymanGeek --- Here is a file that was a large .png image, I compressed it with extreme JPG compression (from 1.39 MB to 24.14 KB). Then I took the resulting .jpg file and renamed it .png - Imgur saved it as a .jpg file.
Here is the original .png renamed to .jpg, Imgur just left it as a .jpg file. --- When there's a link Stack Exchange doesn't mess with the file's extension, but the server could send any type of file.
@Rob I guess the point is - well, we don't really know :D
You can't always trust the extension on our end but you can never trust the extension on the other end - you could be expecting a 200 byte .gif but it could decompress to several gigabytes of one color (easily compressed); thus filling all your available memory and causing an OOM error.
4:09 AM
A classic example of the web server changing the extension is a .php URL, anything can be returned: "The web server outputs the results of the interpreted and executed PHP code, which may be any type of data, such as generated HTML code or binary image data.".
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5:33 AM
Ben Popper on January 07, 2020

This week we sit down with Matt Cutts, the former head of Google’s Webspam team. His job there was to defend the quality of Google’s web search results, and you may know him as the creator of the first version of SafeSearch. As Paul noted on the show, he was seen as one of the few people  with whom ordinary folks could communicate about the often inscrutable world of Google search results and rankings.  You can read his blog here.

In 2016 Matt joined the United Stated Digital Services, or USDS, initially at the Department of Defense. Since 2017, Matt has served as the Administrator  …

6:10 AM
I see Shog, Nick, and animuson are on heavy bug duty today
I think they're clearing out the tag 😁
> Once a year, whether you need it or not!
6:28 AM
In time for the Chinese new year 😁
7:15 AM
7:34 AM
@Catija hehe, in Israel it's done during Passover, aka "spring cleaning"
Is there a specific reason why the network activity of Nick doesn't include his activity on Meta Stack Overflow? Caching for 6 to 8 hours?
Yes, I'm stalking that user, in case you wonder ...
7:54 AM
No clue. Morning!
8:11 AM
Anyone here know anything about Huawei smartphones and android on those? From what I can find, the latest news seems to be that there'll be some restrictions coming down on February 16th...

My brother is looking into a new smartphone for my dad, and sent me a Huawei as possibility :/
All I know about those is that they're notorious for sending all your data to the Chinese government
Yeah, that too... but apparently we don't care about that so it's just about whether it's a good thing to buy for a dad that is fixated on android... As I don't think he'll do well with any other phone operating system, including something that looks like android but isn't it.

And if android support on those really drops come February, it's not very useful to buy one now.
Samsung Galaxy a10s seems to work pretty well (so far, I've been using it for like a week). It's also pretty cheap.
(It's got a huge screen though. Might be a plus for some people.)
8:42 AM
@Mithical Eh, dad isn't really a fan of huge screens.
8:56 AM
It's tough to find (good) phones with smaller screens nowadays, people want to read books and watch videos on them nowadays. Huawei indeed has some, but... yeah it's Huawei. I can't see the truth through all the smoke they are blowing.
and it depends on how paranoid you want to become. Almost any hardware is produced at least partially in china. Do you trust that hardware?
@Mithical they really should start having info about what country can see your data on the smartphone package.
Trad: as if other countries didn't do that. You just have to decide which backdoor you prefer
I trust all hardware. I am very cautious with software however.
I think there are even some old proved cases of actual backdoors on Samsung devices to say one. I seem to remind reading the new on Hackernews some year ago.
There is the Librem phone, but.... that is a little pricey.
And still has very long delivery times
9:13 AM
@JAD I'm not too worried about privacy. All I want is that Dad has a phone he can use for the next few years, with security updates, and working gmail/google maps
And from what I've found so far, it seems that support may drop soon :/
@Tinkeringbell the security updates are the real problem. Only real option I saw for Android is to at least get a phone that has the "business" coverage.
@Tinkeringbell Huawei are not allowed by Google to use android due to Trump's boycott on China, or specific to Huawei, not sure.
Those should have a bigger "guaranteed updates" window.
They're trying to develop their own OS.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Yeah, but I googled and it seems that ban was moved until at least February 16th this year? It's specific to Huawei so far... And it's not just Trump, there's some talk about 5G here and not allowing Huawei stuff in the roll out.
But I have a OnePlus and that doesn't have the android restrictions.
Nor has there been talk of banning android on those.
9:17 AM
hmm, so not sure. :/
@JAD of course not, I'm 100% sure China has spy tools inside hardware. So what? It's their right, IMO.
@Hitodama yeah... ugh. We're most likely not going to get dad the most recent model of phone anyways (he thinks that's a waste of money and that he doesn't need it)... So we're already weary about how long things may still be supported. I do hope the government or even EU hurries up some legislation about that ;)
And needless to say, Tik Tok is a spying app, sending data to China that will be used when they'll need it.
(e.g. names, addresses, pictures, of US citizens)
Dad doesn't use TikTok ;)
We did watch a lot of Tik Tak when I was younger though :)
@Tinkeringbell the rugged "Enterprise recommended" line guarantees at least 5 years security updates support.
@Tinkeringbell I suggest Xiami or Nokia, but there are low cost Samsung. Just click on the left column to narrow your selection. Disclaimer: I own an expensive Samsung, and don't suggest that you buy a Whawha.
9:31 AM
See here
> 90-day security updates, available for five years from the launch date of the device
Major update release support
Support current shipping release + one letter upgrade
OnePlus is good if it's available
@JourneymanGeek Yep, I'm a fan of those too :)
Have one myself :)
I think dad may find it a bit big though...
@Hitodama I'll keep that in mind then :)
@Rob Oh nice! If I do end up having to all the work again I can use that, thanks!
For now the plan is that he still has to pick out a phone though, something with equally distributed tasks :)
That's the unfortunate thing about the location, no Google Pixel (which would be certain to get updates). I get security updates every couple of months and a few huge updates (over 400M, one almost 1.5GB). It really depends on the model you buy as well as the Mfg. Bottom of the line isn't worth it for Mfg, if they don't update top of the line people never buy again.
@Tinkeringbell With that website you can choose screensize.
@Tinkeringbell twitch Tik Tak. That is activating some really dormant memories
Kit Kat is better.
9:40 AM
That's not fair, chocolate usually is
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@Rob Technically it's not my job to pick out a phone... Brother was supposed to pick one, I'm just supposed to put in some money so I do need to approve...
TikTok is a video-sharing social networking service owned by ByteDance, a Beijing-based company founded in 2012 by Zhang Yiming. It is used to create short lip-sync, comedy, and talent videos. The app was launched in 2017 for iOS and Android for markets outside of China. ByteDance had previously launched Douyin (Chinese: 抖音) for the China market in September 2016. TikTok and Douyin are similar, but run on separate servers to comply with Chinese censorship restrictions. The application allows users to create short music and lip-sync videos of 3 to 15 seconds and short looping videos of 3 to 60 seconds...
@Gimby Pah, dah, dah dam dam...
9:42 AM
@Rob fake video creation is mentioned there too?
oh my god Tik Tak, that was the show with the black silhouettes and such. That was usually the last thing I saw before going to bed. I didn't like it at all, but watching it meant going to bed a little later :)
I don't know about fake, isn't it real?
I watched it, then I watched it with my younger brothers...
The Miꞌkmaq or Miꞌgmaq (also Micmac, Lnu, Miꞌkmaw or Miꞌgmaw; English: ; Miꞌkmaq: [miːɡmax]) are a First Nations people of the Northeastern Woodlands, indigenous to the areas now known as Canada's Atlantic Provinces and the Gaspé Peninsula of Quebec as well as the northeastern region of Maine. They call their national territory Miꞌkmaꞌki (or Miꞌgmaꞌgi). The nation has a population of about 170,000 (including 18,044 members in the recently formed Qalipu First Nation in Newfoundland), of whom nearly 11,000 speak Miꞌkmaq, an Eastern Algonquian language. Once written in Miꞌkmaq hieroglyphic writing...
9:43 AM
Years and years of Tik Tak... we had videotapes...
I like how old shows have a youtube channel nowadays, I was also looking at the Sky Channel "Fun Factory" one recently. youtube.com/channel/UCVbbgv9JPXEQWSPtfoQGpYw
@Gimby McGuivar also have one?
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Japan... has a "few" more flavors.
There is even WASABI Kit Kat
@ShadowTheBurningWizard not yet but I do see an episodes playlist
9:47 AM
ew :(
@Gimby Apparently chocolate goes quite well with peppers...
No saying ew before you tasted it!
@Hitodama yummy! /cc @Rob
@Gimby probably the new series
There's Hot Wing Chicken and Wasabi Oreo Cookies, not available in North America (where they are made).
@ShadowTheBurningWizard nah it's a lie, it's just a long list of short clips. Google is quite aggressive when it comes to taking down content which is still in circulation anyway, no way that full episodes of such a TV show last long. New or old.
10:00 AM
@Gimby There's also a bunch of Domino Day on Youtube :)
I'm not sure if that has it's own channel though
@Tinkeringbell Horseradish, Capsicum and Mustard are three different things, completely different chemical responsible for the flavour.
I did try chocolate with peppers in any case... I love chocolate, I love spicy food, but spicy chocolate is not for me.
@Tinkeringbell hmm, that sounds like a great way to watch without having to sit through the hours of commercials and promotions
@JAD If you're unlucky you'll find version that still include snippets of the 'dominospel' :P
10:16 AM
I guess SE had some new-years resolutions. Seeing all these [Status-*] being added
Nah, we had a spree just like it before ...
well at least some of those bug reports are getting handled now ;)
@Luuklag Oh, that's always great and I'm not complaining about that!
Also, I read a funny article that the best time for 'new-years resolutions' is actually after your summer vacation: That's the time when you're apparently kinda reset and have to start building a pattern again anyway, so it's apparently also the best time to build a new pattern!
@Tinkeringbell I honestly can't remember I used my tv to watch anything on commercial channels
@JAD Oh, we sometimes do... then complain loudly about the length of the commercials ;)
Though mostly we use the time to get drinks and snacks ;)
It used to be that you could start a program like 20/30 minutes late, from the start, then fast forward the commercials... but less and less channels actually allow doing so. I've even seen some that block it when rewatching the whole thing a week later.
10:23 AM
@Tinkeringbell depends a bit. I spoke to my uncle last x-mas, he and his daughter both started biking to work/school, she did it after summer break, he did it at the start of the year. He said it came a lot more easily to him, since he didn't have to deal with the shortening days like you would going into fall/winter
@Tinkeringbell I just had a 2 week christmas vacation, so that should count as well.
@Luuklag Yeah, that was my thoughts too... still, then you'd be starting Jan. 6th, not Jan 1st ;)
@JAD Hmm.
It was just a funny article, I don't think it was scientific ;)
@Tinkeringbell True, but I just don't do new-years resolutions :)
Me neither...
I was just asked this in the office. My new year's resolution is to take two weeks off end of january. So far it's going really well.
10:29 AM
Hahaha sounds good :)
I am tempted to buy a new Fitbit, one that I can wear while swimming, as I can get one now with a New Year's resolution company discount... but losing some weight and be a bit healthier isn't really a new year's resolution for me...
I could do with losing some weight as well, but usually I can't really find the time to go to the gym more then once a week.
@Tinkeringbell Cool off for extremely rude person requested. One deleted comment said to FO.
@Rob +1 there, flagged a number of comments, before I just mod-flagged the entire post.
@Rob Oh, I'll see if I can squeeze that one in before lunch :P
10:33 AM
They should taste OK with Wasabi.
@Tinkeringbell I'm really tempted to buy a Switch :) No real health arguments to be made there though
👏 Thanks.
@JAD Isn't there some sort of fitness game with a special ring controller for that? I think my coworker has that ;)
@Luuklag I also only swim once a week, the rest is going to be walking to/from stuff ;)
There might be
There are sports and dancing games for fitness.
10:39 AM
Hmm, I used to play a lot of drums on Rock Band, which I guess counts a little bit
Is this your coworker's style: youtu.be/9BrAT_o7yWA?t=29 ?
The dancing games especially look like a good work out. It ain't going to do you much good in the weight loss department if your body is in a state of emergency and maintaining a fat reserve though. Lots of people really wreck their efforts by just winging it with dieting.
So, move a lot + eat even more? :P
Most people just need to move more.
10:54 AM
Including me ¬_¬
I lost about 15kg two summers back because I walked a lot... but then I stopped doing that and I've not gained much (just 1/2 kg)... but gaining a little bit does mean I'm not moving enough...
It's just that... walking can be soooo boring, I don't care about sports....
@Tinkeringbell well i brought some scales, because not owned any for years...
weighted myself and they said 118kg, when last time i weighed myself (at hospital iirc so at least 4 years ago) i was 115kg, so I'm kinda happy
but then the scales broke/battery died and I've not replaced it yet (or returned them if they are actually dead)
@Tinkeringbell Swimming is not for me. I need to be motivated by a group/trainer otherwise I'll just slack
11:11 AM
and as usual, I am yet again searching for clues on how to do something that should be simple on SharePoint
To quote Charlie Brown "Good grief".
Not even search works correctly
and that should be one of the central selling points
Broken search = more questions = more views = ad revenue
@JohnDvorak +1
@JohnDvorak more views? where?
Support Forums?
11:26 AM
successful search = 1 view. Unsuccessful search = 1 from the asker, 1 from each answerer, at least 3 from closers
@Luuklag That's why a friend drags me along :P
@djsmiley2kindarkness Oof, hope it's just the battery ;) Otherwise, if you wait too long you're going to get trouble with the warranty
@JohnDvorak not really gonna work since a) devs will just ignore social.microsoft after noticing how useless the forum are and b) even if they put ads there... devs will probably have ads blockers.
And in the meantime.... angry customers.
I mean- seriously. Do anyone here reading think that it is somehow justifiable that when you search on a date property the end user should specify the date in utc format??????
11:55 AM
@Hitodama when it comes to Microsoft? Of course.
I'll never expect a friendly UI from them.
Only when they steal buy it from other companies/people they have something close to normal. ;)
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I said "justifiable". Not "expected." :P
@Tinkeringbell I hear you, I tend to have to drive an hour just to be able to walk somewhere nice.
!!/justify SharePoint
@ShadowTheBurningWizard No such command 'justify'.
12:05 PM
I'm giggling at the end of this
(before the ad at the end. But hey, its at the end.)
Random image time! Who can tell where's that and what's the context?
@JourneymanGeek that Tom almost got <removed for spoilers>
@Mgetz suspended?
@ShadowTheBurningWizard watch the video... not going to spoil it
12:20 PM
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Looks like immigration at some (asian) airport
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I see chinese signs
those images are thermal images, used for mass scanning folks for high body temperature
12:36 PM
@JourneymanGeek correct! They try to catch people with a nasty virus causing flu
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I work inside an airport sometimes :D
@JourneymanGeek so much viruses flying around! :P
viruses, nasty insects, spiders... :)
meh insects and spiders are harmless
People here are really overjoyed in the summer when a particular nasty breed of hairy caterpillar comes a calling... harmless. Except for burning eyes, skin and breathing problems and dogs and cats dying.
12:45 PM
@Mgetz did I need to watch the ad itself? I don't get it
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Pneumonia not flu, it's SARs 2.0 IIRC
1:10 PM
@Tinkeringbell yah
i think ihave some batteries at home, just need to swap it out and check
1:21 PM
@Gimby well that's not ordinary insect...
@Mgetz hopefully less casualties this time...
We'll see.... the chinese authorities seem to be much more pro-active this time
1:43 PM
Wanna see a conspiracy waiting to happen?
None of the top network askers have Monica mentioned in their names :O
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Temperature screening:
@djsmiley2kindarkness lol
I bet some actually see this as conspiracy. :/
@Rob correct!
You know it's a conspiracy when ...
[SFW: The video is about something else.]
What else can it be about?
Pic is pretty clear too... :)
Rubber glove inspection.
1:53 PM
@Rob I can read the title, thanks. ;)
But why won't it be SFW?
It's OK 👌
@Rob blue gloves? Yup, totally NSFW. :D
Black is better.
1:56 PM
Why? Absorbs more heat?
Prevents shock.
2:18 PM
two by two, hands of blue
@JourneymanGeek Serenity?
That's easier than me quoting B5 :D
Ha! Took me a few seconds. I knew I knew that!
@JourneymanGeek B5 isn't exactly obscure. I wouldn't be surprised if it's better known than Firefly.
@terdon 0_0
I swear every time I talk about it, I get blank stares
@JourneymanGeek shrugs. B5 was on TV when I was a kid, although I only watched a little of it. Firefly wasn't and Firefly only had one season. It's just that it has a serious cult following, probably more so than B5, but I would expect B5 to be more broadly known.
2:23 PM
@terdon B5 was also in a time where there was a ton of better known sci fi
searching memory
@terdon and there's very few people fanatical about it
A pity :D
@ShadowTheBurningWizard No, silly, memory alpha is star trek.
2:24 PM
bell rings
Saw it
As teenager
(I think? Or early 20's)
> TV Series (1994–1998)
saw parts of the first season, they changed the time halfway, watched part of the third season...
Probably a teenager then, that's when it was on TV anyway.
@terdon was teen back then but might have arrived late to Israel
watched the whole thing as an adult. Several times
2:26 PM
I rarely binge.
I keep meaning to watch it at some point.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard There's a funny joke to be made there, punning on the author Victor Vinge, but it needs someone smarter than me to think of it.
@terdon like those who say "I'll start diet tomorrow"? ;)
Something like that :)
I was on diet one time in my life, for real, as teenager. It worked. :P
@terdon lol, try anyway :D
I don't think the problem is whether they work as much as whether you can get yourself to follow them :)
2:29 PM
B5 is the one with black enemies that destroy everything? Or was it in SG?
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I did. The best I could come up with sounded like really bad attempts at rap and were not funny. Believe me, realizing one of my jokes isn't funny before I say it doesn't happen often. Enjoy your luck! Next time I'll just share it...
@ShadowTheBurningWizard there's a few shows I binge watched cause my stupid local TV station would change the timeslot half way through the season
@ShadowTheBurningWizard b5
SG1 had space egyptiians
I have a mess in my past memories.
shudders. SG1 was one of the dumbest shows I've ever watched. Fun, granted, and I did watch all of it. And the spinoffs. But boy was it not really thought out.
2:30 PM
@terdon lol, I do enjoy it. :D
@terdon lots of shows like that
@ShadowTheBurningWizard you should drink less ...
so terrible they were good :D
@JourneymanGeek Yes, sadly.
@JourneymanGeek that's the problem! The hole is square and purple.
See? Total mess.
2:31 PM
@terdon I need to watch farscape at some point
maybe after I'm done with killjoys :D
oh and I have andromeda queued up
Hmm. I've completely missed farscape too. But Killjoys is quite good!
Oh, and have you seen Defiance?
Last non-Israeli binge was... Killing Eve,
Waiting for season 3!
And the Expanse? If we're coming onto more recent stuff?
not yet
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Yes! That was really good.
2:32 PM
@terdon queued up
Actually planning to do so after killjoys.
@JourneymanGeek Ooh, lucky. Defiance is gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous. I mean in terms of pure aesthetics.
@terdon Defiance kinda missed my radar totally for some reason
and I love sci fi
Expanse is good too. I am watching it now. I've read the books, so I know the story, but it's still fun to watch.
@terdon I love rocci :D
@rene you don't pay attention to my network activity.... I already don't drink enough. :(
Q: How to force myself to drink more water?

Shadow The Burning WizardDrinking water is important, don't think I need to explain that. And many times I just forget to drink enough during the day, usually when occupied at work, which is not so good. So, are there any hacks that will force me to drink more? Having soft drinks or cola helps to drink more, but that's...

2:33 PM
@JourneymanGeek It didn't make a big splash, but for me it's one of the very best scifi series of the past few years.
@JourneymanGeek You've read the books?
Most of them
@terdon some
but I ... love starships :D
They're good! Straightforward space opera, well written and with some interesting ideas.
hmm... weird, think I posted a comment on that answer... deleted? Any LH mod around? ;)
I'm reading the latest Peter F. Hamilton now, speaking of space opera.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Always remember, most alcohol is >60% water ;-)
2:35 PM
@terdon reminds me.... can't wait for the new Dune. It really looks promising this time.
Ah yes. We'll have to wait and see.
And look, the old Dune was a great movie. It was just a very bad adaptation of the book. I think it would have been fine if I didn't know the books first.
I read like 20 books from the Dune saga. Personal record of course.
That fellow who directed it, whatshisname, seems to be slightly famous today. And apparently a decent director.
2:36 PM
@terdon no, it looked like a joke from the first moment.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard You knew the books too well :)
Too theatrical... too... dunno.
@terdon maybe. :/
It completely broke the fremen. That's what really annoyed me.
And Atrideis was miscast, for me, but Lynch had a thing for that actor.
Do fremens take a long time to heal?
It did one thing well, show the evil baron as disgusting old man and ultra evil.
2:38 PM
@terdon reminds me of the joke about starship troopers
Some scenes were imprinted in my memory, lol
Its a perfectly good movie - and its clear where verhoven lost interest in the book.
@JourneymanGeek eh
@Rubiksmoose same as any human... they're human. Only Paul isn't really ordinary human.
All of the interesting bits were removed from the books to make it into a war movie.
2:39 PM
(and don't think he has regeneration power too?)
I love the books, I love the games, I like the movie (and both miniseries). I just enjoy everything Frank Herbert Dune, even if the adaption hacks it to pieces. Anything not written by Frank Herbert however... I can do without.
None of the politics made it. Nor the ambiguity with the bugs, and citizenship and anything that made the book actually interesting.
@Gimby what about the final book? The one written by his son, saying it's based on transcripts he found in the attic?
@Gimby Anything not written by Frank Herbert set in the Dune universe you mean, right?
@terdon lol, good catch :)
2:41 PM
@terdon an antiwar movie
the book was pretty much propaganda :D
@JourneymanGeek Was it?
Not too antiwar, as I recall. But then again I watched it once way back when it first came out.
Which means I was around 17. And Denise Richards was playing. So, um. I might not remember the rest of the film quite as clearly as I'd like.
@terdon ....
yeah, I think you were distracted by that scene
Oh. It was only one?
which I suspect was censored the first time I saw it :)
I... seem to recall more.
2:45 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone
But yeah, 17 year old boys.
So basically verhoven turned it into a pastishe
complete with nazi style uniforms
Yes that I remember. But that was in the books: the state was clearly fascist.
@terdon we read the same book, but we read different books :D
2:47 PM
@JourneymanGeek Well, the state was clearly right wing. Especially the idea that citizenship was a privilege, not a right.
@terdon a priviledge earned
Granted, I also read the book at around the same time, but had fewer distractions.
@JourneymanGeek yes, exactly
but there was no real downside to not serving outside the inability to vote
That's a pretty huge downside.
@terdon lots of people don't vote anyway
actually that's a failing of modern democracy - that folks don't excercise that right
2:49 PM
But they have the right to. There's a very big difference between choosing not to exercise a right and not having the right at all.
Are you sure there were no other downsides though? I remember being a citizen was also required for studying (?) and getting good jobs or something. Is that only from the movie?
@terdon the studying was for qualifying for plum posts
and when the protagonists signed up, IIRC there was no bug war
I do know that when I read it, I felt this wasn't describing a utopia.
there was one with the skinnies?
It wasn't
but it was more positive about service
I watched the movie, loved it, then read the book and went
"Whoa! Mechs!"
@JourneymanGeek Perhaps. But I've always hated the army and everything it stands for, so I would have read it negatively even if not intended so.
@terdon that's why I said we read different books :D
2:53 PM
possibly, yes :)
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I have not read it yet. Maybe one day I will out of curiosity, but to me Chapterhouse: Dune is a worthy closure to the saga.
anyone here working with Angular 7/8 (or even better - Angular Elements)? Just wanting to doublecheck if something makes sense.
Using Angular doesn't make sense. That will be my contribution ... I see my self out
3:24 PM
@Hitodama Yes to Angular, no to Elements.
@Gimby I am "simply" trying to have a "customizable" component that displays a list of items (results from a SharePoint search api call). The idea was to somehow replicate what the standard SharePoint search web part does - allowing the end user to specify the "render template" for the item.
So, I was looking for a way to dynamically "compile" a string that represents a custom template unknown at design/compile time.
Obviously, there are issues since from Angular 5 onward it is my understanding that you can no longer use the JIT and the AOT compilers at the same time.
But I also need to keep the AOT compilation in place since this is a sharepoint webpart created with the PNP SPFX generator - based on Angular Elements.
To be fair, I think that Angular Elements should provide a much easier way to do what I need, but currently I can't really find out how.
Okay, that's a pretty hardcore and unorthodox requirement.
There are traditional templating engines available for Javascript, it doesn't necessarily have to be solved through Angular. That would probably be more the direction I would be looking to go.
3:45 PM
true... Is just that I think Angular Element probably already has that covered but I can't really find out how.
it is more of an exercise than a real need
The trouble with Javascript + unorthodox requirements is that you go out of documented "this is how 90% of the programmers are going to use Angular" territory, you end up in the area where you have to be lucky that someone on Stack Overflow knows how it works because they studied the source code.
you lost me at javascript
You know Java? You know Script? You know JavaScript!
4:13 PM
No, though I supposidly learnt it at uni, and yes, in bash, or php, or python :P
"Haha remember that time that Smiley brought down his entire home network with a recursive bash script that tried to rsync his backups to google drive, but infact called itself while doing so?"
Silly me blamed my ISP before noticing ;D
4:57 PM
@JourneymanGeek Like Andromeda and Lexx.
5:13 PM
@Rob I forgot lexx
Spam editor.
And now anonymous edits should be blocked for few hours.
Hmm... It's not. Weird.
5:45 PM
It's IP based.
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