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6:00 PM
A: Firing Community Managers: Stack Exchange is not interested in cooperating with the community, is it?

Juan MYou all should know that this is very hard for us. This is what I am able to share: As you have seen, today there were some changes on the Community Team. Out of respect for their privacy, we aren’t able to comment on any specific current or former employees. We’re seeking to align the company...

err, you mean the accepted answer?
oooh, wrong post. Derp, thanks
I was looking at the "thanks, Shog" post, completely forgot that there were two
6:31 PM
Q: I am resigning as moderator on Stack Overflow

Madara's GhostEffective immediately, I am resigning from my position as moderator on Stack Overflow. I will no longer actively participate on the site or network sites. I will move whatever discussions I can with the people here to other mediums, and mostly refrain from entering chat. These words are very har...

Madara, in my opinion, was one of the best moderators to ever serve on SO
I agree completely, he made me look like a crap sandwich.
@Tinker Wow, that new avatar almost looks like a dragon at 1st glance.
I heard that before today :)
It's still a parrot, don't worry.
a parrot that can breathe fire?
7 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell
> Parrots represent communication, friendliness, sociability and playfulness
7 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell
I don't know... wanted to keep that, I guess.
@ndugger Why do I need that, if I have a beak that cracks nuts?
6:34 PM
deez nuts?
Shhhh... it's still a PG rated room.
@AndrasDeak Three
the posts for Shog and Robert are featured
I am generally not worried or frightened of dragons ;-D.
Or parrots ...
@πάνταῥεῖ I'll teach you soon enough, don't worry ;)
You think after all of you moderators step down, they'll get desperate and hire me?
6:38 PM
@Tinkeringbell I am pretty thoughtful, not yet to make mistakes again ;-)
@ndugger Hey, I got appointed two times so far... If you stick around long enough... ;)
Not hired though...
@Rob He's cute :)
Sounds like a good thing you weren't hired, at the looks of things
I hope that wasn't received in the wrong way. I worded that poorly, lol
6:40 PM
@ndugger ;) I jinxed stuff twice by saying I would never moderate a site so... I'd love it if they hired me.
Nah, don't worry. I never applied for anything either so :P
No longer available from the maker, Ulbricht, but other sources still in stock.
@JourneymanGeek right
@ndugger actually, I applied twice. I guess this was my consolation prize. Which ended up being a bit of a boobie prize
boobies are good, though
what sort of conversation did I just join in? :)
6:46 PM
I'm not sure
One that is 100% appropriate for stack exchange
scrolls up oh. same old. :D
And anyone thinking something else can go bleach their mind? ;)
(i.e. post with tons of DVs and mod resignations :/)
6:47 PM
Are you advocating suicide by bleach? I am so calling twitter. You're gonna be banned faster than you can say "Evan Carroll"
@curious and the heart of the community team getting ripped out
@curious We could talk about your thesis?
@Tinkeringbell Ha! Yea... Catching up on all the transcripts
@ndugger poop
My kid is supposed to go to daycare soon so I can finish that draft...except stuff gets in the way all the time
6:50 PM
And boobies are relevant other than feeding babies or what? I am not able to follow?
@curious We were just wondering where the parrot came from
@πάνταῥεῖ I used a quaint english expresion that was misinterpreted
@JourneymanGeek Mkey
I thought @Tinkeringbell had morphed into some dragon :)
@curious Okay, I'll repeat one more time...
6:56 PM
@Tinkeringbell Of course you'll repeat :)
I am the parrot, after all
Are folks making you parrot?
exactly :D
@πάνταῥεῖ They're also a kind of bird.
And Geek misspelling something, apparently ;)
its a day ending with Y isn't it?
Hahaha :P
7:01 PM
As folks know. I'm dyslexic. It takes a pretty good chunk of my attention to actually spell mostly coherently + I use spellcheck a lot
@JourneymanGeek FYI, I was about to edit one of your recent posts, but I saw the note at the bottom and hit cancel
@JourneymanGeek It's a booby prize, not a boobie ;) Though that probably wouldn't have helped much here.
Thank you
@Tinkeringbell ah, pesky phonetic spelling
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I typed that on the train home
@Tinkeringbell THX, that explains a lot :-D
@πάνταῥεῖ You could've googled that though ;)
7:04 PM
@Tinkeringbell misspelling it "price" makes it seem extra naughty :P
Not being hired isn't a punishment, I had a conversation some time ago - they don't pay generously, and not enough for me.
@AndrasDeak OMG. I'm ... I don't do that stuff. Luckily, I can mod-abuse some unlimited editing powers ;)
@Rob the impression I got was it was decent but not massive
There. Now I don't know what you're talking about :P
7:05 PM
@Tinkeringbell I've consulted my preferred English to German translation page, and it cleared up.
but when I applied it was periods when things looked like they were getting better
@Rob I think most people were agreeing with you on that :)
so I totally wouldn't have minded working here with Shog and Robert and Cat and Tim and Jnat and...
Well and I guess the ones we lost before too
Here's @JourneymanGeek's train, lucky to make it let alone type anything:
@Tinkeringbell I discussed it with someone and it's ~50% or so, but not like they couldn't find anyone for how much it is.
7:22 PM
the second falling of the dominoes continues: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/392889/…
Wow, magish, get with the times. That post is so 10 minutes ago.
@πάνταῥεῖ Blocked in the U.S.
@Magisch Welp.
Did anything else happen in the past three hours?
7:31 PM
I went to the bathroom
Not exactly what I'm trying to catch up on while standing in the bus stop, to be frank :)
Nobody else has resigned or been fired in the last 3 hours, but the day is still young
Well in some time zones.
We want to get the #BoycottStackOverflow hashtag trending on twibber. I only have like 17 followers on a goof account, but I posted
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog No wonder :P
7:36 PM
We should all VPN onto the site from Iran
and ask questions about nuclear physics
This whole thing evokes images of a submarine captain scuttling his own ship to keep it out of enemy hands. You'll never take me alive, copper!
a submarine for crabs?
7:42 PM
@ndugger Ehhh...
Let's not call anyone names. ;)
I would appreciate it if people could... I dunno... just think that kind of stuff? The leadership isn't in this room, and the people that are left behind and still care and want to listen to people might not want to be here either, if we talk like that?
@πάνταῥεῖ I should look up what that show's about someday.
@Tinkeringbell It's probably not worth it ;)
7:45 PM
@user400654 No.
Folks - just a quick reminder that even if we're dealing with inexplicable decisions by folks, and we might feel strongly about them, we do conduct ourselves with at least a minimum amount of decorum.
Well, apparently not that quick
I'll take a thirty minute time-out too ;)
You know what Teams could use? Documentation.
In all seriousness, a lot of the downward slide started after the failure of Docs
7:51 PM
@canon As in - it needs people to copy-paste MSDN and the official Java docs?
@Machavity eh
in a sense - they wanted something more than Q&A
@Machavity yup. And the Big November Layoffs
that was careers
I know. I looked at some alpha stuff for them. There was some interesting stuff brewing, and then they just blew Docs up and moved on. Not too long afterward they laid several folks off (like Joe Friend)
@Machavity Joe left on his own I think
went back to MS
7:54 PM
@Tinkeringbell shower?
@JourneymanGeek yeah, but in a weird way. He just... Vanished.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I assume he gave notice - but it seems they take a while to hire PMs
fortunately firing is much faster
@MeganRisdal's sucessor (since I doubt she could be replaced) is still up in the air
7:56 PM
@JourneymanGeek to SE? Sure, but no hint on Meta, neither before nor after.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard well - its not always necessary to announce such things
@S.L.Barth-ReinstateMonica just another anchor for dead weight.
@JourneymanGeek it's more... Friendly, this way.
23 hours ago:
Best of luck on what comes next for you! It was a pleasure to work with you. And occasionally I got a word in. ;) — Joe Friend 24 hours ago
@JourneymanGeek Same for Julia Silge, right?
7:57 PM
@JourneymanGeek what was her role? I forgot. :/
@ShadowTheBurningWizard ....
Product manager
quite frankly, its a pity
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Being awesome :P
7:58 PM
She isn't a SE old timer but could have fooled me
Only yesterday did I realize that she left. Was she going to be temporary originally, or did things go awry?
@AndrasDeak apparently Kaggle wanted her back
Our loss
well she deserves better, so good for her
at this point everyone should find better jobs and/or hobbies
@JourneymanGeek How long was she with SE? All I remember of her was a blog post.
8:02 PM
one year I think
> Today is my last day at Stack Overflow. For most of this year, I was the lead product manager for their flagship product, public Q&A.
@canon about a year
but we saw her a lot (on TL?)
Yeah, she wasn't too visible for plebs, but still evident that she tried fixing things
I'm a pleb, I guess.
8:03 PM
@canon I do have a better view of things than many
better is not the right word
we're all different
I know people
Pleb? What happened to Muggle? :-)
sometimes they tell me things. Sometimes I see or hear things
8:05 PM
@JourneymanGeek have you seen a doctor yet? :P
and occationally a little more than most. Apparently sometimes not enough
though, it's just a different set of things. That we, or I, don't have access to those same things, doesn't mean i don't also see them... only from a different medium, or other things that you don't, simply because you aren't looking where someone else is.
@user400654 in this case though
its also access and accessibility
people can find me, and I am in places
also I've been wearing my T shirt back to front for the last 8 hours
♫♪ Toss a coin to your CM, oh valley of SE ♫♪
was it uncomfortable?
8:09 PM
I didn't notice
then was it really backwards?
Its a nice shirt
i mean, you get to decide which way is right
well where the size is the back
this one has no tags
I kinda feel bad for Juan for having to post bad news so many times
8:12 PM
CM Juan
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Forced to be cannon food by lawyers?
I mean, I don't issue any blame his way, as he's just the messenger, but it's his decision to work for a terrible company. There's only so much sympathy I can have.
He sort of fades into the white noise of SE's suicide maelstrom; so, I forgot about him. :(
8:14 PM
@ndugger Finding a new job is an onerous process, and the company wasn't so "terrible" at the time he took the job
Just like some other PMs. Better ask who instatiated them, and delegated to make such statements.
someone's gotta do it, :shrug:
I doubt they care enough to
Well, Marathon :P
on second thought... i don't think someone had to do it, silence would have likely had no worse of a result.
8:20 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog You can always show you have some spine though, and decide.
hedgehogs have a lot of spines
in the end, silence is what we'll be left with once it's shut down
@πάνταῥεῖ Let's... not verge into the territory of telling people they should resign?
^Agreed. Last thing we need is a holy war between community members based on how they decide to react to these events
@Tinkeringbell yeah, let's not chip away at this relationship any further.
8:24 PM
@canon I understand the anger... and I'd understand 'I wouldn't want to work here'. But please don't tell people how they should react to this. It's already hard enough to find the time/air/breathing room to process stuff sometimes in times like this, having a mob shouting a certain course of action to you often doesn't help.
I won't deny stuff has changed.
Heck, look at the avatar.
It's no longer filled with love and passion.
Drained of all colour.
That's not just for no reason.
I'd rather not stage a French Revolution against management.
Well, I am just stating my opinion about such situation. Not telling anyone.
If I see that I am forced to make a public statement, that exposes me as _cannon food_, I'd rather deny that, with all consequences.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog we don't really have that power anyway
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Who should be decapitaed at all??
I was more referring to the fact that the revolutionaries got what they wanted by suppressing all dissent toward them.
8:29 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Then I misinterpreted your statement. I didn't see that would be your personal opinion on what you would've done... instead I read as what you thought Juan should do. Either way I don't like (because you can't really decouple them), but the latter is more problematic than the former.
@Tinkeringbell I agree?
@πάνταῥεῖ Wasn't talking about the means of suppression, only the fact that anyone who didn't agree with the far-revolutionaries was suppressed.
@canon Oh. Time for a shower I gues... I'm seeing sarcasm where there is none. Sorry :)
And I'd rather that that not happen here.
Well, we don't have to worry about getting guillotined... but we've seen a lot of suspensions.
8:32 PM
@Tinkeringbell Shower?? Sandblasting maybe?
@S.L.Barth-ReinstateMonica As far as I know, there haven't been any over this yet. I would love to keep it that way, though I did have to send the first warning today.
The agreement post just was a mess of personal attacks. Please don't do personal attacks, tell employees they should be fired or resign, or that they're evil incarnate.

Don't shoot the messenger. Anger is okay, but within limits, we still have a policy of Be Nice, and that goes for telling people/SE you're mad at them too.
Oh... and do try to not spread any 'fake news', 'rumours', 'gossip', be careful of which thoughts you put into words... people *will* pick up on them, and if something is stated often enough, some unaware user is going to see it as a fact and then we end up cleaning that up and asking people not to spread lies and ugh....

(We didn't have to suspend for that).
i mean... don't confuse "fake news" with news you simply can't confirm.
Another big problem was people asking about/ reposting screenshots of about everything deleted. If you have privileges and see something that's deleted which you think shouldn't be, your first action is to flag for moderator attention.

Your second would be to write a meta focusing on the bigger problem, preferably *without* a screenshot or only the relevant bits.
All news is fake when presented by corporate media
@user400654 True. news you can't confirm is probably a rumour, gossip? :) It'll grow into fake news.
8:38 PM
A quick reminder of the policy regarding the privilege of seeing deleted posts: "Don't abuse this privilege to stir up trouble when someone has wisely decided to remove a problematic post."
Please don't kill the fun with your "rules"
The rules are there to keep things fun.
@ndugger Please do not make fun of moderators
I haven't made fun of moderators
@ndugger That's blatant bull. Some corporates are able to do that very well.
8:39 PM
In fact, I wasn't even name calling last time I was suspended
I demand recompense
@ndugger I took a break too.
A high five outta do it
Will you high five me?
I'm sorry, my remarks drew that out ;)
Sure :)
Now we're cool
8:41 PM
All Fonzies at 100%
@πάνταῥεῖ What do snacks have to do with this?
@Tinkeringbell You don't know this:
Nope, so I searched google for Fonzies and found snacks ;)
@Tinkeringbell Thus have fun with the meme / methaphor ;)
Okay, I really should go for that shower now. Again: Keep it nice, be kind to each other. And sleep well :)
8:44 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Later ;)
Alright everyone, call eachother names while the mods are showering!
@ndugger Or find someone that can tell you about the IPS mutiny Catija once organised ;)
Night! XD
ooh, those mutinies were fun
8:45 PM
What do you mean, "mutiny"?
I'd recommend you should watch the whole movie.
Good N8!
8:59 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog if his humor seems odd to you
God I can't make a joke. Strider has left the building ;_;
I'm not exaggerating, my eyes welled up.
Nope, not meh. Not even for a Lebowski.
@Tinkeringbell That was the plan from the very beginning!
organize a mutiny while the parrot is gone
Why is 2020 Jan such a bad month, especially for me
There's absolutely nowhere to resort to if I want to hear a piece of good news
Autists are often misinterpreting things related to humor. Go easy with them.
9:05 PM
@Tinkeringbell Wait... I did what?
@πάνταῥεῖ I wanted to be snarky to Mith, but I couldn't make a punchline
Needless to say, Iran news has been very shitty these couple of weeks. And I come to SE to find @Sha doing his @Sha thing to put a little smile on my face, but even here I'm not immune to bad news . . . Well, worse than how it's already been
@Catija organise a mutiny ;)
@M.A.R. I like to watch decade+ old Onion videos for that.
while I was sleeping :P
I have no memory of this.
Clearly I was sleeping, too.
9:09 PM
Sleep mutinying is the best kind of mutiny.
@M.A.R. Why would you expect that 2020 goes even better than 2019?
@Catija That time you suggested adding extra room owners to TAS? We've been lovingly naming that a mutiny ;)
I apologize, Jesus.
@Tinkeringbell ...and then there were the other mutinies, such as when you became a parrot in the first place ;)
Just put a bounty on that mutiny >:->
9:10 PM
@M.A.R. oh right, you're from Iran! Sorry to hear that everything's shit
Hey, y'all... let's all be kind to each other right now. I don't think anyone's having a good day week... whatever...
@M.A.R. Maccabi Tel Aviv won. That's good news.
They beat Barcelona
@M.A.R. dude... Now I smile. Wanna see? ;)
Anyway, as you see, the world can burn, but this room is cool.
9:16 PM
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Sure, full of fonzies :P
@πάνταῥεῖ still cool
@Catija period of time 😁
@ShadowTheBurningWizard He does look like the Fonz
It's The Dude.
@JourneymanGeek 6-8 periods of time ;-)
9:18 PM
Only movie except Matrix I watched more than three times.
@ShadowTheBurningWizard Well, where's the famous jumper?
@πάνταῥεῖ jumped
@ShadowTheBurningWizard I am going to have a white russian ...
Ugh... I'm out of Irish Cream.
There is no "Irish cream" in Irish Cream. Just make some: allrecipes.com/recipe/23534/original-irish-cream
9:47 PM
Irish cream is not made from Irishmen?
I would imagine it's made by Irishmen?
made into Irishmen?
10:11 PM
10:21 PM
@GeorgeStocker has been ever since then lol
Made in India
10:47 PM
An (appropriate use of the word) abomination:
Hello Kit-tea --- Japanese whiskey, tea and cream

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