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Andras Deak

2:01 PM

well, smile :P

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Gimby

... you're on Candid Camera! RIP Dom DeLuise.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Lovely, right? ;)

terdon

@Hitodama I think you might be more into that show than I am... :)

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Journeyman @Tink are you allowing the usage of the term "Sack Exchange" referring to the "Getting Shogged" meme? (aka what you think of this edit war?) I'll accept any decision.

Andras Deak

2:04 PM

heh

Shadow The Burning Wizard

After all, being "Sacked" is dry fact.

So it fits just that meme.

Andras Deak

[humor] is only allowed when it's in a blog title. You know, the good kind of top-down humor.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

hehe

Magisch

@GeorgeStocker this probably holds for SO. Not so much for smaller SE communities

terdon

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I'd ask @Glorfindel. It's his post, after all. I'd do whatever he prefers.

Hitodama

2:07 PM

@terdon in this case is not even about the ponies. Just the song.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@terdon he started it...

Hitodama

Alan's Vision from The Amazing World of Gumball also comes to mind...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard no particular mood to deal with it for now

terdon

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Yes, but it might have been a typo

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@terdon no, no way it's a typo.

@JourneymanGeek fair enough. waiting for parrot

terdon

2:14 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard That's why I'd ask him. If it isn't, it should stay. If it is, he can choose to keep it.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@terdon but people keep removing it.

That's the problem, and the reason I pinged mods.

@Anton hey, welcome back to Tavern! :)

bjb568

oh, I just saw what happened in the last day.

This looks pretty bad.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@bjb568 which part?

Magisch

@ShadowTheBurningWizard yes

bjb568

Firing Shog and Robert Carataino.

Anton Menshov

2:17 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard good morning :) if you can call it "good" ...and "morning"

Rob

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Here is the reference:

New York Sack Exchange

The New York Sack Exchange were the front four defensive line of the American football team New York Jets of the National Football League during the early 1980s. The line consisted of Mark Gastineau, Joe Klecko, Marty Lyons and Abdul Salaam. == Origins == In 1981, a fan by the name of Dan O'Connor submitted the "New York Sack Exchange" name to a pre-season contest held by The Jet Report, a team magazine. Jets public relations director Frank Ramos used the nickname in a press release and it was soon picked up by the media. All four members of the Sack Exchange were drafted by the Jets in the 1970s...

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@AntonMenshov yeah, neither is correct. :/

Glorfindel

@terdon thanks for the ping. I'd prefer to keep the 'joke' (as in 'getting sacked', never heard of the NY Sack Exchange) and explained so in a comment, but at this point I don't think I even care anymore.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob I.... don't think so.

Oh, and I was right. lol

Magisch

@Glorfindel news seems to be hitting everyone hard it seems

Rob

2:21 PM

Apparently not. 🐴👅

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@bjb568 yes, this is bad

rene

Dutch humor is under appreciated nowadays ...

terdon

@Glorfindel Fair enough. Although it means that Shadow was right. Again. This is getting annoying...

;)

Shadow The Burning Wizard

LOL

When Shadow is right, it means things go wrong.

terdon

That. Or that the sun is on your left.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

2:22 PM

No, you're on my left

Oh, now on the right

Anton Menshov

@ShadowTheBurningWizard when SE lawyers get involved – it means things went, go, and will continue going wrong. Shadow being right is not a certain prediction.

Magisch

it's bad enough that it's not even clear if we should complain or not

it doesn't look like complaining changes anything. We had half a thousand posts about monica and the only thing that got them to grudgingly relent was when we put up 20 grand too

bjb568

Clearly the sun is out of the screen, because rene points at it.

user316129

In an ironic twist of fate, SE has managed to unite the community

terdon

On this, we don't really have grounds to complain, anyway. It's a private company, they can do what they like with their employees. We, on the other hand, are free to draw our conclusions about that company based on how they treat their employees.

Rob

2:26 PM

Sack Exchange

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob are they all in the line to the restrooms?

user316129

@terdon well said.

Rob

World record pillow fight.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

I found Danny in there!

Magisch

@terdon I do think we have grounds to complain. We're not just their customers, we're also their volunteers

We deserve a voice as real stakeholders. And stakeholders can complain when a company frantically stabs itself in the chest

terdon

2:31 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard That's nothing, I found Wally!

@Magisch meh

Magisch

I don't care that they can legally do this. They don't get a moral pass from me because "duh corporations are profit focused". No.

terdon

Personally, I never really bought that argument. We dont' "deserve" it, we were promised it and mislead into believing they felt we were stakeholders. They clearly don't.

But either way, when it comes to such internal matters, we don't get a say. All we can do is be more disgusted by the company and vote with our feet.

bjb568

Aren't they making a mistake even from a purely profit-centric perspective?

Rob

@ShadowTheBurningWizard If you need to use the restroom you have two hands, and no paper:

Fans launch masses of toilet roll at football pitch

►

bjb568

Alienating the people who give your site value seems clearly negative in the long term.

Magisch

2:34 PM

@terdon we can also vote with our voice. word of mouth is a powerful marketing tool but that blade cuts both ways.

Hitodama

Magisch

certainly nobody who cares about my opinion will give them another cent

terdon

@Magisch indeed.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@terdon no no, it's Clippy!

terdon

That's that silly microsoft thing, right?

I remember it.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

2:36 PM

@Rob or maybe they all brought the paper from home?

@terdon "that silly microsoft thing"..... ROFL.... hehehe... haha.... dies laughing

:-D

terdon

Sorry, I haven't been a Windows user since around 1998.

No, 99.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Clippy hasn't aged a bit

Neither a byte.

terdon

argh!

OK, that was actually good. Awful. But good.

PM 2Ring

@bjb568 In the long run. But how long is that? There's a lot of great info on the network. Sure, it's getting diluted by the endless flood of rubbish questions and poor quality answers. But that could take several years before it has a noticeable impact on the network's overall reputation for quality.

Magisch

@PM2Ring you're underestimating the work and coordination it takes to keep SO going

Gimby

2:40 PM

I'm not so sure really, I have never really gotten an idea of how many people use the site in complete silence and will likely be completely oblivious to and uncaring about any of this.

Elcan

For now, they hqve quite a large database of Q&A to rely on without putting too much work towards new content, and get tons of ad revenue

Magisch

internet places can fade quickly. If a viable competitor springs up, it just now became a lot more likely it'll reach critical mass. Then they only need to import legacy content and offer a better community policy (even none would be better right about now) and SE goes the way of myspace in the span of a couple months

terdon

We can hope so.

Rob

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Gimby most people, that's why SE can allow itself such actions

Elcan

2:41 PM

The competitor would have to scrape the current DB, in order to be at the very least a competitor.

Also hi

Magisch

@Elcan there's a data dump

terdon

@Elcan Which is quite possible.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Elcan hey

Magisch

and the content is CC licensed

user316129

@Magisch I know I sound like a broaken record... "Tech Republic"

Magisch

2:42 PM

Nobody and nothing stops a competitor from taking all of SOs relevant content right now.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob why the duck sits on Andrew?

user316129

@Magisch which is why they're trying to retrofit licencing

Elcan

Makes me wonder if they will someday try to un-CC the content, as illegal as it is

user316129

apply retroactively, I mean

Rob

Cuz he's an egg

Magisch

2:43 PM

It seems that Joel and Jeff were wiser then they thought when they agreed on that fundamental design principle. Even though it will be their undoing, it is the best for people.

user316129

@Elcan I'm sure they will try

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch wouldn't even need legacy content

Elcan

They illegally relicensed to 4.0 without any legal consequence

So I doubt un-CCing will have any legal consequence

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. how dare you not being pingable? I see where you went! point upwards :D

Magisch

all the silent users care about 1) answers to their questions and 2) nothing else. If a mass exodus of experts means {newplace} is now the easiest way to do that, they all go that way

Journeyman Geek

2:44 PM

Just need to gank a few good devs, community team and funding. And grow slower

Magisch

platforms keep deluding themselves into thinking they're irreplaceable.

Elcan

The real problems will arise once the site is big, and needs money. It may just follow SE's path

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Worst case, ask for donations, like Wikipedia does.

I'm sure many people will give money.

George Stocker

@Elcan you can only enforce civil laws by suing. That's how you enforce it. So software licensing isn't as much "this is illegal or that is legal", its "what are you willing to go to court over." If you aren't willing to go to court to enforce licensing, then anything they do is legal.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

If asked nicely. But too late for that to SE, these days nobody will give them a cent, probably. I'd sure not give.

George Stocker

2:47 PM

and as they say, a law is only as good as its enforcement.

Elcan

Wikipedia is following a path similar to SE, not sure if it should be an example

Magisch

eh, wikipedia somewhat listens

JAD

@Elcan I think that depends. Once/if they were to start trying to enforce that "illegal" new license they might start to run into trouble.

Elcan

@GeorgeStocker I doubt most people would go to court over messages on a website

Sadly

Magisch

the community sanctioned them and took away their partial ban powers recently

JAD

2:48 PM

The reason they got away with it right now is that nobody cares enough to sue them.

PM 2Ring

@Magisch Perhaps. I don't know all of SO. Just the Python tag, which is a fairly popular tag. I know the quality there is dropping, and many of the old-time experts no longer contribute answers, or do so only rarely. I used to enjoy assisting the new answerers. But these days, I don't have much motivation for that.

Merely reading a random sample of the new Python Q&As can be depressing. But the helpdesk-oriented newbies are oblivious to that stuff. And the smart people with reasonable search skills are mostly able to find existing answers, despite the rubbish.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard IMO, it's not so much fun... it reminds a bit of how children would change your name slightly to mean something mean and then call you that...

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring eh - I often find solutions to prickly problems in old SU posts

Elcan

I'd be curious to know if the recent issues hurt them financially, it would be a decent indicator of if the community 'matters' to them (despite them showing it doesn't)

ndugger

Based on the direction they're going, wanting to silence discourse my removing meta and community criticism, it makes sense, from a business standpoint. I just am really disgusted by this direction, and especially their conduct when trying to reach their goals.

Magisch

2:53 PM

i'd assume it cost them quite a few thousand bucks from thos of us with influence on product purchases recommending against going with anything SE offers.

ndugger

Maybe, but I'm guessing that to most people, all of this drama is really behind the scenes. I doubt most consumers are aware of it, so SE might honestly get away with it.

From the words of @GeorgeStocker, "It's time to vote with your feet"

bjb568

So you guys are saying… there could be a DevDoodle but with a bunch of content? : 0

Mithical

20 hours ago, by Mithical

*cough cough*

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Tinkeringbell fair enough, so roll it back to make it final.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I'll do more tonight. I actually have some work to finish still, and ... I'm empty.

For now, I've dropped it a comment.

Magisch

2:59 PM

a nice read written by George

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PM 2Ring

@JourneymanGeek I've learned lots of stuff on SO, from existing questions. I was using it for a couple of years before I got around to signing up. But I've never posted a question there myself. Some of the info there is relatively timeless. But some of it is well past its use-by date, and some of that stuff will become worse than useless without experts curating it.

ndugger

SE doesn't want curation anymore. They've made it perfectly clear that they would prefer to have a higher member count, the higher quality content. It's their decision to make, and yours to dispute it, of course

Shadow The Burning Wizard

gah

looking for Block button just to make a pointless point

ndugger

lmao, what a [word I can't say here, but it definitely fits who he is]

Shadow The Burning Wizard

lol

ndugger

3:04 PM

it starts with a C

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Crazy?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard As the prophecy foretold, @JourneymanGeek ...

ndugger

Ends with an unt

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@ndugger Catamount?

ndugger

Exactly

Shadow The Burning Wizard

3:05 PM

lol

Rob

Ends with a c

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob arc?

Elcan

Just post your MSE answers on Twitter at that point, maybe the'll end up reading them

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell You ever feel naked burning disgust for someone?

this is one of those times

Rob

Begins with an unt

Shadow The Burning Wizard

3:05 PM

@Elcan well, that one can't post on MSE

@Rob untec?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Sure... but since it's mostly done for attention... perhaps not give it :P

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell no I wont give it, but that doesn't mean I don't feel it

ndugger

I really want to comment "You're still a terrible person" on his latest tweet

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Magisch hey hey, no naked burning things here plz ;)

Tinkeringbell

@ndugger Nah, that'll give it attention. Especially the way Twitter works...

Shadow The Burning Wizard

3:07 PM

@ndugger you can! On Twitter

Tinkeringbell

Shadow's way is best... find the block button.

ndugger

I already commented on his tweet yesterday saying he's a terrible person

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Careful, though @πάνταῥεῖ got himself nuked on Twitter by offending/threatening @Trump.

ndugger

but I don't need to attract any more heat than that from a psychopath

twitter.com/ShameOverflow/status/1216790690786619393

Rob

He could still be arrested

Magisch

3:08 PM

you know what I kinda wanna say we should lay low on insulting people in this room but truth be told I can't summon the care in defense of him

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob Who? @πάνταῥεῖ or Trump?

bjb568

lol, this looks so much like what I had for DevDoodle. github.com/codidact/docs/wiki/User-Privileges

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch But you're prolly right, so...

ndugger

Can we make an exception just for one dirt bag?

Journeyman Geek

no

ndugger

3:10 PM

Oh damn

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@bjb568 you can probably help them a lot

Journeyman Geek

No matter how mad we are, we gotta keep our heads on straight

bjb568

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I'll be looking into it.

Magisch

journey is, as is the case most of the time, right

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@bjb568 :)

ndugger

3:11 PM

My head was never on straight, you got like a splint or something?

Gimby

@ndugger I have this big hammer that fixes most problems

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@ndugger ask Shog, his head was always floating.

rene

@bjb568 donate devdoodle ...

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Noodle for your Doodle

Rob

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Correct, the first one

Shadow The Burning Wizard

3:12 PM

hehe

bjb568

@rene It's already open-source. github.com/bjb568/DevDoodle : )

rene

+1 ;)

Gimby

@bjb568 Wow, that's the first time I see Node actually being used for server-side purposes. Cool stuff.

Elcan

Isn't Node intended for server side stuff ?

bjb568

Wow, there is some not-great code in that repo.

I was, what, 13 when I wrote a lot of it?

Gimby

3:20 PM

@Elcan Surely, but that does not stop the entire world from using it to build Javascript dev tooling.

PM 2Ring

@ndugger It certainly looks that way. And the existing quality will continue to bring in the quantity of users for several years. Probably. But gradually SO will lose its reputation for quality info. And so if there are viable alternatives, people will choose those alternatives.

Journeyman Geek

3:37 PM

I'm sure the timing is a co-incidence. Right?

canon

Nobody cares, @feeds...

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Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JourneymanGeek coin-cidence

Hitodama

@JourneymanGeek can we at least symbolically move that feed post to the trashcan room?

5

canon

That article by George is spot on.

Machavity

@JourneymanGeek Because Stack Overflow specializes in team building...

Journeyman Geek

3:43 PM

@Hitodama it is tempting

rene

Since launching Teams nearly four years ago ... that includes this team I guess?

Cereal

They certainly launched one of their teams...

canon

@Cereal the CM team?

whoops, I thought you said, "unlaunched"

djsmiley2k in darkness

I hope this isn't because you guys' tolerance for grief from the community for unpopular (or rather, much criticized) ideas has started to wear out - and that it doesn't mean Team is on the shelf permanently, as it really seemed like an idea with potential. Sometimes, the community's reflexive rejection of all things "social" tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater - yes, it is a good thing to get to know other developers and what they do. It doesn't automatically mean the place has to turn into a social network where people share trivial silliness. — Pekka supports GoFundMonica Aug 2 '16 at 15:52

cough

;lots of coughing lately.

Cereal

It's flew season

Disappointed in SE

3:48 PM

@rene Could be the source of the error. The actual Teams product is not even 2 years old.

rene

thought so

Journeyman Geek

Someone should point those things out :D

Machavity

@rene There's a "yo dawg" joke somewhere in there

rene

But where?

Journeyman Geek

@rene I'd say as a comment and on meta. Probably SO's twitter too

djsmiley2k in darkness

3:50 PM

When you sack your sales team so hard, you forget that the new product called teams isn't the old product, called teams...

Machavity

Yo dawg, we heard you didn't like teams. So we're relaunching teams as Teams, so you can teem with teams while you Team

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rene

Can't blame the author. Only 10 months around. Doesn't have the history.

Machavity

They work cheap. Fits the budget. They also listen to The Boss

George Stocker

@jcolebrand I forgot about the monkeys/moderators meme. That takes me back.

(just noticed it as your profile picture)

canon

4:26 PM

I hear SO Teams integrates with M$ Teams; it's teeming with teams...

user400654

isn't it more of a... SO teams can export it's shtuff to microsoft teams

canon

handwaving integration

Magisch

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

@JourneymanGeek I got tempted :D

Journeyman Geek

Good

That's what we have ROs for 😁

ndugger

Make me CEO

3

djsmiley2k in darkness

4:43 PM

OMG IT'S FULL OF TEAMS.

user400654

teams that the avg user of these sites can't even use

Shadow The Burning Wizard

I'll just leave it here: glassdoor.com/Reviews/Stack-Overflow-Reviews-E504626.htm

Happy reading.

(TL;DR: interesting review from within SO, by a PM)

user400654

I think it'd be cool if they could be used for subgroups within SO, for free. as an example, the js room for a long time have used github to handle it's RO only discussions, discussions around how to handle situations, elections, demotions, etc, if such teams could be created for individual sub groups of users within SO i wouldn't be so against it.

But it's explicitly built for... well, not us

Hitodama

@Magisch I shouldn't but in a way I am kinda happy with you decision.

Well, have to go - later.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Cya

Hitodama

4:50 PM

Will see how the thing evolves.

djsmiley2k in darkness

Hah, someone got the star reference at least

phew, was feeling i was getting old.

ndugger

0

Q: Sometime when i open chrome a homepage called bright start appears?

I'm using Macbook Air with Mac OS Catalina. A homepage called bright start appears someimes when i open Google chrome . I don't kknow where it came from .

I don't know how to point the user in the right direction, as it's not right for StackOverflow either

Journeyman Geek

Just leave it. If folks can be bothered they will close and leave a comment

Machavity

@ndugger I'll bet it's a Chrome extension. Send them to SU

Andras Deak

or ask different?

ndugger

5:03 PM

Oh wait, why do I care? Nevermind, I decided I don't care

Journeyman Geek

Both will work

Andras Deak

@ndugger because you're even bad at revolting

ndugger

True

Machavity

@ndugger Apathy: it's what's for dinner (assuming you still care)

ndugger

I want SE to fail at this point, so I care, in a sense

Machavity

5:07 PM

So you could care less?

user651518

ndugger

Yes, I could care less

Machavity

@JL2210-SupportMonica You have to have a Charcoal key for each room

ndugger

Another one that bothers me is why people say "could of", instead of "could have"

user651518

Sorry, about to say "MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF BROKEN COOKIES!" I can't type in chat when it's enabled, either.

Machavity

5:10 PM

@JL2210-SupportMonica You're still better off than that guy with the Chrome problem. My god, it's full of starts

ndugger

Dude just has a virus

Machavity

My money is still on a rogue extension. My in-laws are constantly installing them by mistake

ndugger

I'd consider that a virus, but I have no idea what I'm talking about, so just go with it

canon

breitbart?

ndugger

Do you guys believe that SE will actually try to course-correct in the future? Or do you suspect that they will double down on this new direction? Is it the new CEO to blame?

Machavity

5:15 PM

Nah. More like Google Ads not filtering crap out so you get some JS hijack

Happens on way too many sites

user400654

No, i believe they believe they are on the best course for the continuation of SO and their paid products.

ndugger

I think I agree. I don't expect them to stop what they're doing, and hey, it might even work out for them, they're just going to alienate anyone concerned about quality on their platform, so it's going to be a money-making dumpster.

Oh well

user651518

I believe they are on the best course for their wallets so they're not going to stop. That's what happens when money comes into play.

canon

@ndugger double down... all the way down.

user400654

the next iteration of yahoo answers

Machavity

5:19 PM

We're already at the "take it or leave it" phase anyways

PM 2Ring

@ndugger I don't believe we can lay much blame on the new CEO. The quantity over quality thing started well before his time. I suppose that it officially started with the Welcome Wagon initiative, if not earlier.

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring though the escalations have gotten worse since

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

It also made moderation considerably harder

Many of the problem seem way too localized

Journeyman Geek

@MulliganReinstatingMonica well on meta, sure

user400654

i don't think it's gotten worse, they've just continued down the same path further and further. Naturally, as you're getting closer and closer to the end goal of hiding problems from your future customers, it will appear worse and worse for the people who are part of the community that's getting shut down.

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

5:24 PM

Where did my ingwaz go?

Before I was Mulliganaceous ᛜ Reinstating Monica

ndugger

twitter.com/tvanfosson/status/1216767664372187137

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

@user400654 Agreed. They are firing not one, but two additional people

ndugger

"allegedly"

Tinkeringbell

@ndugger yeah, let's not do the rumour thing

ndugger

SE's lawyers must be glad to have interesting work, at least

I did say allegedly, lol

Tinkeringbell

5:27 PM

Yeah, more that I've already seen where 1 conversation full of speculation about it ended up... And it wasn't pretty

That's the kind of rumours we're not going to be doing

ndugger

I'm telling you, it's crab people

Tinkeringbell

Maybe. Then they can at least serve as emergency food?

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

Hard maybe

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ndugger Those from outer space?

ndugger

Ew, no thanks. Crabs are basically ocean spiders. I don't eat disgusting shell-fish

PM 2Ring

5:28 PM

@JourneymanGeek Most definitely!

Tinkeringbell

@ndugger Shrimp?

ndugger

Ok, you got me, I do like shrimp. But no lobster!

Tinkeringbell

Shrimp are good, especially with loads of garlic

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

lobster

Tinkeringbell

Never had lobster, I must admit

ndugger

5:29 PM

Lobster is even worse than crab

Crab at least tastes ok, kind of

Tinkeringbell

My friend is already proud she got me to eat shrimp :P

ndugger

Lobster just tastes like rubber bug butt

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/16048656/maryna

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

How did my username got changed

ndugger

It's a conspiracy

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

5:32 PM

I'm once "Mulligan ᛜ Reinstating Monica"

Notice the extra symbol

Andras Deak

probably those crab people

ndugger

It's true

rene

UTF8 support is dropped.

Tinkeringbell

@ndugger Do I want to know how you know that?

rene

that saves storage space ...

Machavity

5:33 PM

I don't think the CEO would care much unless the business tanks. And that's OK, because a hired CEO trying to do community management would be a train wreck (just like a hired CIO trying to do it would be)

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

maybe there should be a transition time where spolsky and the new ceo are co-ceos

ndugger

Usually you just consult on the board in cases like that

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

Repaired my username

rene

@MulliganReinstatingMonica he somewhat did: joelonsoftware.com/2019/12/05/…

Andras Deak

@MulliganReinstatingMonica snip snip

ndugger

5:36 PM

I don't care for Joel, nor do I think he could fix the trainwreck that he started, anyways

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

joel is still chairman

the top dog

ndugger

top crab*

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

top ship*

bjb568

top lobster?

Machavity

top chef?

ndugger

5:39 PM

No, and especially no to anything bjb says

bjb568

Peterson intensifies.

PM 2Ring

@MulliganReinstatingMonica Joel's still on the board of directors. Bear in mind that Jeff wanted to build a repository of quality programming knowledge, but Joel decided that that goal had been reached, pretty much, so now it was time to answer every programming question. Jeff was never particularly happy about that...

ndugger

All that matters is that everyone is happy, not that everyone is correct. Who cares if we write sloppy code that crashes airplanes? All we should care about are people's feelings.

Cereal

That hurts my feelings

ndugger

Same

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

5:44 PM

that injuries my feelings

user400654

your feelings don't matter

well

unless you fill out a survey

then they're a drop in the bucket

but a drop nontheless

Cereal

They're only dropped in the bucket if you fill out the survey correclty

ndugger

Facts are only true if they align with my personal narrative

user400654

so lie on the survey

take it daily

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

lie in votes

Magisch

5:52 PM

comments are getting pretty nasty on MSE

ndugger

Plenty of reason to be upset. It's hard to compose yourself when something you care about so much is dying. Not that I'm excusing the behaviour, as I'm guilty too

user400654

equal response to the actions taken

Mulligan Reinstating Monica

some of my comments are being deleted

ndugger

Lots of mine were deleted, even ones that were "kind"

They don't want to house voices of dissent, for good reason

Machavity

Comments are ephemeral. Sometimes mods just bulk nuke, rather than cherry-pick good ones to keep

user400654

5:59 PM

does meta have a comment archive similar to mso

ndugger

So you're saying it's all the Moderators' faults? Get your pitch forks!

Andras Deak

Was the official reply on the MSE post deleted? Could someone please screenshot it for pleb me?

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