All the resignations are linked in the post, and they all contain some explanation for the resignations. None of them have anything to do with the CC change
Monica hinted in her judaism.meta post, that it was about a CoC change. If I understood it correctly. Then she once got a lot of marshall and deputy badges, signing that she has no more diamond.
I think it is an indirect result of the CEO shift. What did Chandrasekhar before the SE?
At this point I'm sorry for conflating CC license, CoC, and mod firing in my Meta question. My question was intended to ask about SE's vision for the company–community relationship which I saw damaged due to a lot of history, most recently CC change and the mod firing. It was only a secondary goal to make the wider community aware of the resignation wave.
This would explain, what the CMs are now trying to reach. And that would hint 1) is some "radical" ( mentionable ) change likely in the future 2) why this storm has break out
By your logic it doesn't matter if all except five or six SE sites go away. And, taking it to an extreme, it doesn't matter if most of the humanity that doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the world go away. Oof, that's a bit harsh, but I hope you see my reasoning from your reasoning.
The problem is that without knowing, why was Monica fired, it is hard to get a point. There are rumors that the SE is not profitable, the investors will want their money.
@rene Okay. But I can google for Chandrasekhar. What is very likely, his task is to make the SE producing more money.
@amon Well, uh, how can I put this. I'm of course really sad that someone a lot of people (including me, when I got the chance) looked up to on how to do things right was so appallingly treated, but there's also this guilty but positive feeling of, hmm, validation to see and confirm for ourselves that our suspicions were correct. It's relieving because it removes doubt.
Obviously, sites where I would be lurking didn't overlap with hers, and I didn't work with her even remotely on moderating sites. That also has a big part in why this isn't such an overwhelming feeling for me, but also the confirmation of my own personal observations and suspicions.
I would probably look for where else I should vent and post my monologues. There's kinda a shortage of people speaking English fluently here, and I wouldn't want to lose the very useful skill of being overly annoyingly verbose.
@JohnDvorak A better question would be how much of the work they did, I guess.
Probably he is the new CEO: linkedin.com/in/pchandrasekar He is probably good in IT company management, but has little experience in community management. I suddenly understood, why the SE focused so hardly on the community management, and not so strongly to the IT.
I mean, despite everything, there's the benefit of the doubt.
But it's a very corporate-y person chosen with a corporate-y decision to further corporate plans. (The negative connotations of "corporate" aren't strong here) I would be surprised if I notice a change.
In other words, Gilles, for example, was the DenverCoder9 from XKCD to me. I read his meta belonging to 2011 or what, and gain insight on how to persuade people and how to moderate sites.
I mean no disrespect for the newer mods, but if there was a "supermoderator honorary volunteer awesome" title, then probably 50 percent of the ones that were around left.
We’re sorry to see you go.
We understand there are some folks upset about the decision made this week. We aren’t going to share specifics out of respect for all individuals involved but this is a site reaching millions of people and we have to do what we believe fosters a spirit of inclusion an...
It a company... a profit-oriented company. It is false to think, that they would not know, what are they doing. But it is also false to think, that their goal would not be the $ of the company.
Effective today, I am resigning as moderator on Engineering and Software Engineering.
I find that Robert Harvey's resignation expresses my thoughts more eloquently than what I would write, so I'll simply reference his post.
It's been an honor, and I sincerely wish the communities well.
Apparently SE was already tumultuous before this, right. And this is more like the gas under a volcano exploding. I'm not making any rumors, but it was kinda obviousish people weren't happy about what was going on, CMs included.
Let's talk about Hollywood celebrity dresses next.
@JohnDvorak I like the positive attitude. Honestly, knowing you (as much as I could have online behind all this screen thingies) I expected a more cynical reaction :p
Judaism meta gets closer to the root cause than most.
In the political language, "diversity" means "conformity" - and siding with the aggressor instead of the victim, this is kind of behavior, which one can often find among narcissistic psychopaths. Their words simply do not match their actions. Don't try to understand them (for your own sanity), because there is nothing to understand - ze rak meshuggah. — Martin Zeitler35 mins ago
Monica Cellio said "sinat chinam" in her meta miyodeya post. That means, "groundless hate". Other sources say, she was in conflict with another mod, and she was on the victim side. But the CMs de-modded she, and not the attacker. It is not known, what was the cause of the conflict, but they say, that it was baseless.
Watching the public narrative diverge in real-time from even what little I know of the factual is an unsettling experience rife with déjà vu. Please be careful about levels of speculation. Drawing up swords can worsen a situation, particularly when, on some level, moderators are vying for popular support in the abstract without the ability to convey sufficient context.
Thus, my conclusion is this: the events escalated from a typical internet flamewar, what was over-reacted by a CM. His over-reaction was caused probably by that it is not known, how the CEO switch will affect his job obligatories.
@AndrasDeak My pleasure. And now, that I learned what I wanted, I also learned that this whole thing is far above me, and it is inside of a hierarchy what is 1) unpleasant to me 2) unavailable to me 3) unprofitable for me. There could be a moral reason to think on it, but in the lack of information, there is nothing to think about. So I stop it. I wish good luck for the good boys! I only don't know, who are they.
I'm not assuming intentions, and I'm not concluding anything for now. What I know is that, regardless of the nature of the disagreements and their severity, it's extremely unlikely for most people both online and real life, and especially me, to have aired disagreement as articulately and elegantly as Monica Cellio.
Most would more or less agree on the whole affair and how it might have been. Character consistency wasn't just for Game of Thrones.
Watching the public narrative diverge in real-time from even what little I know of the factual is an unsettling experience rife with déjà vu. Please be careful about levels of speculation. Drawing up swords can worsen a situation, particularly when, on some level, moderators are vying for popular support in the abstract without the ability to convey sufficient context.
I can't comment on the reasons behind the departure - though Monica's post on Mi Yodeya should clear any confusion up. I really don't want folks going down the wrong chain of reasoning here, and I feel like there's a heck-ton of speculating that's not based on any facts at all. It's just going to hurt all parties involved - and their are many, many different folks/views involved here.
Yeah, I sympathize. It's . . . not an ideal situation. :p I assume that things will be clearer on Monday. Right now, Monica's post is the best source of info (though of course bear in mind that that's only one person speaking their side of things).
Outrage is an undiscerning tool. Surgical when used correctly, but much like a scalpel, it can do a lot of harm in the wrong hands. Lending someone yours should be done with caution and with honest information. It's a complex enough situation that I'm uncertain most moderators have access to it.
Effective today, I am resigning as moderator on Engineering and Software Engineering.
I find that Robert Harvey's resignation expresses my thoughts more eloquently than what I would write, so I'll simply reference his post.
It's been an honor, and I sincerely wish the communities well.
