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12:41 AM
@JourneymanGeek How do you mean?
 
@Catija Out of curiosity, why un-feature the UMZ post?
 
Because there's only two slots.
 
The other one of those two slots is going to be automatically un-featured very soon, so why not remove that one?
 
@Catija second time someone asked me that recently ;p
 
I'm being selfless? And I've gotten more downvotes recently than upvotes and I'm featuring something new tomorrow so it's only a difference of a few hours?
 
12:51 AM
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog eh. Cause it seemed to be the better option, presumably
@Catija awww
@Catija oooooh
 
Tomorrow is Thursday...
Hopefully my weekend won't be hosed.
 
@Catija Ah, didn't know that a different post was going to be featured tomorrow.
 
A week is plenty long for the podcast. The actual site feature update is more important.
 
Any spoilers you can disclose regarding the post that's going to be featured tomorrow?
 
🤐
 
1:05 AM
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog MWAHAHAHAHA
Speaking of site feature updates
I was slightly tempted to change a bunch of status denied tags
 
@Catija In UTC time tomorrow is today
 
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog SE's almost entirely on US time ;p
 
I mean, if I were a pedantic employee, I'd say "later today".
 
You are pedantic.
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes, I am (see message edit above).
 
1:08 AM
Well, you arn't an employee.
Neither am I
and giving people guff over a few hours is... impolite
 
Some people are going to score a lot of helpful flags asking for these old requests to be tagged as completed
 
Its probably not going to change your life to know whatever it is now
shrug Its not about the flags
or even the badges
or even the reputation
 
Well, to be extremely pedantic, I didn't ask for the exact details, just spoilers.
 
If you want to actually use meta the right way - you need to consider the greater good of the community
 
@JourneymanGeek I only cast one
 
1:10 AM
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog ok, its a feature that more or less might or might not have been asked for, may or may not excite people, and may or may not involve one or more communities.
 
I'm talking about others who probably flagged more.
@JourneymanGeek Moderators know about it already?
 
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog possibly
 
Thanks, that's all I want to know at this point. I'll wait for the official reveal
 
@Catija I think you just XKCD 356ed people ^
 
Hmmm? What do you mean?
Is it actually showing up as featured yet? I'm guessing not.
 
1:20 AM
Oh mentioning there's a new featured post coming out
here ;p
 
 
1 hour later…
2:32 AM
Morning...
 
Rob
o/
 
'Morning everyone.
 
2:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek that's the most vague best reply I've ever read...
 
3:22 AM
@MetaAndrewT. glad to be of confusion
 
 
2 hours later…
5:41 AM
@MetaAndrewT. Mind letting me know if you were notified of this comment? Testing this out.
 
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog nope, didn't get any notif
except the ping from chat message just now (but that's irrelevant :p)
 
6:23 AM
\o
 
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog how is it related? Of course he won't get any notification, he didn't edit the post. And IMO better use sandbox for such tests, not hijack other people posts, especially not staff members who have way too much notifications to begin with.
 
Meh, the original creator of the sandbox is long gone, and the comment was posted when the staff member was inactive and deleted a short while later.
 
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog no your comment is not deleted.
 
Deleting a comment erases the notification.
@ShaWiz Comment deletions aren't loaded live
 
You deleted it now, yes.
 
6:28 AM
It was deleted when it was 46 minutes old, less than an hour later.
 
Hijacking @ShaWiz's post
 
sending my Shadow to haunt @Marsh
 
Shadows are so 2000.
 
Salt haunts the marshes
 
@TannerSwett morning!
 
6:32 AM
@TannerSwett \o
@ShaWiz morning!
 
@Marshmallow morning!
@Marshmallow I know I'm old
I was still older than you in 2000
(22 y/o)
 
in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 days ago, by Null
SE can be motivated to do it much faster in just two easy steps: (1) Come up with an argument that the lack of comment locks is somehow unwelcoming to new users. (2) Complain about it on Twitter.
 
I was 2.
 
@Marshmallow potty trained?
:P
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog ?
 
@ShaWiz !
@ShaWiz Nah, that's preliminary pre-birth training.
You mean . . . You didn't get those?
 
6:37 AM
Nope
I was late bloomer :D
@Catija why this user doesn't have Staff label?
> Director of IT at Stack Exchange
 
Idiot
 
@Marshmallow 'scuse me?
 
throwing "for export" label on Sha
@Tinkeringbell What, oh, sorry. Was thinking out loud. That trash poster up there ^
6 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (70): Where can I get 'classic' Lego heads from? by reytuyr on bricks.SE
 
yeah saw something about granma before it got nuked
 
@Marshmallow Ah.
 
6:58 AM
@ShaWiz It's not currently correct. Lots of people forget to change their profiles when they leave.
 
@Marshmallow yes, I relate to that.
 
@Catija Is that a concern for the company? With people having "X at SE" in their profile while no longer working there? Or is that just housekeeping
 
@Magisch It... bothers @ShaWiz a fair bit ;p
 
@Magisch dunno. It's 2am.
 
It is a timing issue?
 
7:03 AM
fair
 
I think its too early in the morning to say whether its a concern for the company, coherently ;p
 
being hardly coherently myself, let's have it
 
@Catija oh. Saw that he posted in a private staff room but didn't notice it was 600 days ago. Thanks.
 
thats... a lot of 6-8 weeks
 
yup
OK, it works. Found a proof.
Julia Silge, Salt Lake City, UT, United States
246 2 6
No diamond, but staff.
 
7:27 AM
it was a good diversion...
 
7:48 AM
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Q: Document the social media policy

MakotoWe've had another instance in which Stack Overflow (the company) has an employee or CM responding to what would normally be a Meta issue on social media. I'm not going to get into specifics about what those issues are, nor does it actually matter; the main issue is that this isn't the first time...

Recent?
I don't mean on a geological scale
New technique?
What was that rule about antibiotics resistance?
 
@Marshmallow might be just a mod, so not relevant.
 
@ShaWiz I'm confident Makoto can tell staff from mods.
And mods from buds.
 
meh, until he gives example it's just a rant.
If you throw serious accusation, give a proof.
 
8:04 AM
Did he accuse anyone of anything? Looking back
 
...pretty sure none of the comments there address what I think he's talking about, so *shrug*
 
@ShaWiz FYI, BSMP gave wrong link
 
Well Tim's answer for most part is the social media policy
 
@Marshmallow yes, SE staff for misusing Twitter again.
 
@Cerbrus: Yes, that workflow is horribly broken. Someone should start a conversation about it. — Makoto 11 hours ago
 
8:08 AM
@ShaWiz funny thing is for most part there's a workflow to deal with that
also, wouldn't that potentially break the program?
Yes, I know not all OSes are case sensitive
 
It's 11:12AM and I think I need more coffee. I'm unusually exhausted.
 
Have a bubble tea...
 
*drinks boiled soap*
 
@MetaAndrewT. I don't think bubble tea has reached their part of the world
 
ith
 
8:16 AM
@Mithrandir Bubble tea is cold milk tea with tapioca pearls, served in a sealed plastic cup with a oversized straw
 
Interesting. Never heard of it.
 
There's reasons for that ;p
 
I'm stuck with instant coffee with soymilk at the moment, though.
 
It kinda started in Taiwan, and spread out.
.... ewww
 
@Mithrandir o_O
 
8:17 AM
...the regular milk went bad, so...
 
But you had bad milk before
 
(I'm at "work". That's what there is.)
Might run down and get an ice coffee. Probably better in this heat...
 
But... price...
 
It's 6 shach.
 
Oh, in a bottle
Thought fresh.
 
8:19 AM
Well, in a cup
 
??
 
from Cofix :P
 
@Mithrandir ohhhh
But it tastes like 6 shekels too
lol
 
Look. I'm drinking instant coffee with soymilk. It can't be lower quality than that.
 
Never found a decent ice coffee in less than 15 NIS
 
8:21 AM
Better than instant soymilk with coffee...
 
eww
Soy coffee with instant milk?
 
eww... but I'd like to try
 
Take a pic
 
@Mithrandir machine coffee
we used to have an indocafe vending machine in a school I was in
It tasted so bad it woke you up pretty much like a good hard kick to the nether regions would...
 
If it interests anyone here, all MSO Comments are archived here now: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/197298/…
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8:23 AM
@JourneymanGeek Those give the worst coffee. Often they give just hot water since they have no indication they're out of coffee and/or milk.
 
@ShaWiz so worst coffee, non dairy creamer of some sort...
 
So you pay for hot water, maybe with some sugar.
 
Mmm, hot sugar water.
 
lol
 
@ShaWiz I assure you it was quite similar to something that could be charitably called coffee
 
8:24 AM
@Magisch Going with Boson and not the comment bot?
 
@Magisch I'm not convinced that's a good idea :/
 
@Mithrandir Bhargav offered to let us use boson, which doesn't need any adaption to do this
It's just a custom tracker command there
@JourneymanGeek I recieved permission from the mod team before starting this
 
@Magisch well, Its not a matter of 'just' permission
 
@Magisch well, it means all the crap will float now.
 
Some comments get removed for actually pretty good reasons.
 
8:26 AM
Pretty sure CM team will stop it.
 
@JourneymanGeek it's more neutral than my idea of running Heat Detector on MSO and MSE's comments...
 
Otherwise the sewer will just overflow and bad things will arise from it.
 
I can't imagine it's going to be that much more controversial than the IPS Closet.
 
@Magisch at the very least - do you have a plan for moving/removing comments to the bit bucket on request/common sense?
@MetaAndrewT. I'm actually kinda ok with that on a personal level on MSE
 
@JourneymanGeek Nothing stops SO mods from binning them as desired
 
8:28 AM
Having such a room means comment deletions are useless.
 
@Magisch I guess that works for me
@ShaWiz which is kinda one of the issues I have with it
 
The purpose though is to be an archive of all of them. Kinda like Charcoal is a collection of all the scum that's around on SE
 
It's basically data collection, the way I see it.
 
@Magisch well - we clearly could, but should we?
 
*requests access to the room*
 
8:29 AM
@Mithrandir and popped into a very publicly available space
 
I think of it as increased transparency for mod actions
 
@Magisch most/many mods would probably provide screenshots if asked nicely
 
comment moderation is 100% opaque. And since we don't get any dev time to spend on this, this is the next step to increasing transparency. Which is one of the main critique points raised in the recent MSO thread about tightening comment moderation
 
OMG what have I started?
 
remind me again, does it track comment edits?
 
8:30 AM
@Mithrandir That room is just a feed. There's a discussion room too
 
@JourneymanGeek Check out chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/63296/the-closet. It's been running since January '18, and it's only sparked any sort of controversy.... twice.
 
@Marshmallow ITS YOUR FAULT?
 
@Marshmallow !!/blame!!/blame!!/blame!!/blame
 
@Mithrandir IPS is a little less.. well
 
But I can add anyone sane as room owner on request
if you want to do things with it
 
8:31 AM
Its less of a hot button issue at the moment I guess
 
@Magisch I'm always at least semi-interested in keeping an eye on new moderation bot projects...
@MetaAndrewT. *rolls eyes*
 
sorry, can't resist...
 
@MetaAndrewT. It's Mithrandir's fault.
 
8:47 AM
@Mithrandir But that's mainly because the people that keep an eye on that want the comments gone. I can see it going bad if people are going to use it to keep an eye on what's deleted and then argue they shouldn't be ;)
But you don't know till you try, so go Magisch! :)
 
@Tinkeringbell or use it to keep things folks are trying to calm down fanned
 
@JourneymanGeek You can have nice things if you handle them responsibly. If people won't, well... take away their toy. But I feel it at least deserves a chance. To the point where I would only say 'okay, stop' if it's repeatedly proven itself to be more of a hassle than an asset.
 
@Tinkeringbell true but I think it's also useful to let folks know you think something is a bad idea
No one actually listens to me but it's always worth a shot ;p
 
Oh, true. Though nitpick: I then like to focus more on why it might be bad than just that I think it's bad :P
@JourneymanGeek Don't be silly. A lot of people listen to you ;)
 
Lol. Not always when it matters
 
8:55 AM
@JourneymanGeek Well, you're historically on record as being anti any sort of moderation bots, so... :P
 
@Mithrandir well that's true. But I also think if something is broken we need to look at the mechanics
 
Indeed. Stopgags are, in the end, stopgags, but they're better than nothing.
 
At the simplest level - some comments are gone for a reason
 
Look... it can't be worse than, say, metasmoke.
(I am prepared to eat my words if anything happens, but let's stay optimistic.)
 
@JourneymanGeek no, I listen to you......................r dog...
 
9:01 AM
On the other hand, I am reminded of how annoying it is that there are three different chat domains... it makes keeping on top of things, especially from mobile, quite annoying.
 
@Mithrandir as I understand it there was supposed to be one per site
 
I'm glad they gave up on that :P
 
I actually don't mind SO and the rest of the network are split
Chat.MSE on the other hand... There's probably good reasons fir
For
 
I don't like having to slip between four+ tabs on my phone, though.
(One per chat server and one for other browsing.)
 
9:17 AM
@JourneymanGeek humans only have hair.
 
And fur
 
@ShaWiz No that's only wizards strokes furry beard
 
My fur is magical.
 
10:22 AM
I
 
10:35 AM
@MetaAndrewT. No. No excuses.
 
YES ME
 
@probably_someone: Yawn. In which direction am I being accused of bias this time? If you see comments that should be deleted, please flag them. If you have a serious concern about mods, please put it in a meta-question or contact the Stack Exchange staff. But if you are just baselessly sniping because you don't like tribe members having their comments deleted, please don't. — Oddthinking ♦ 19 hours ago
Now, moderating that site requires some stamina.
 
Yeah, Skeptics isn't an easy one...
 
10:56 AM
Hmm.. there is no mod-only tags on Main site, right?
 
@MetaAndrewT. I don't think so, no. Only meta.
 
yeah, and since MSE is both Main and Meta...
 
Can you imagine spammers with a neat suit and tie, and maybe sunglasses too?
Gives a whole new meaning to agent Smith
@Sha that's when Vishakaran suggested edit spam evades detection ^
 
11:25 AM
Watching this endless list of new comments never gets boring
 
@MetaAndrewT. comments where?
 
on the star
 
Oh cool
 
Way too distracting :P
 
11:47 AM
Watching the stream does get tedious after a while... even if that "while" is "a couple months" (or "a year plus"... guilty).
 
Say a SO mod interested in getting a better grip on the meta comments could use that feed to monitor them all without constantly opening meta posts...
 
@Mithrandir yup
 
@Cerbrus The fact that this isn't a duplicate might have led me to believe it wasn't recently questioned. And who's "we"? I didn't know. I didn't even realize until recently that meta was used for all of these things. I always thought meta was used to discuss Stack Overflow and to get rid of tags. — David Cullen 25 mins ago
This is all but a side effect of meta drifting from its main mission, unfortunately.
 
I have RSS feeds of SU and MSE spam. - I don't check the SU feed much ;p
 
Producing memes about waffles and unicorns.
@JourneymanGeek Nice. Now I know what to link next time I visit Root Access.
Parent neglection
 
11:57 AM
@Marshmallow David Postil gets it before I do anyway
 
I'm not linking your excuses, bad parent
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Hyoyeon CDX Can i know what happened and where to fix it and how much does it usually cost and i hope it cost RM 500 and below Student price 😭😭

Meta main page is full of OT
😿
 
hey catija
 
Hello Cat, isn't it still like 5 or 6 a.m. there?
And you were up at 2. Or did I dream that
 
@Marshmallow 'full of'. I saw 2.
 
It's 7AM in Texas.
 
12:05 PM
Right, forgot about Iran's 30-minute weirdness
Oh that’s great!!!!!!! Good feature. — Stormblessed 14 hours ago
How many tried to count the exclamation marks?
 
6 to 8
 
I know Mith did. That'd fit his character perfectly.
 
12:22 PM
I kinda skipped right over that comment, and didn't think about it all except for considering flagging it.
 
@Mithrandir That'd fit your character too chap. Or lad. Or man. Or dude. Or fellow
OMG I have so many things I can call you and be called in return
 
Human!
 
No only you do that Sha
-158
Q: Should the mod team tighten up moderation on Meta comments?

Madara Uchiha Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. In case you were wondering, the irony of that was not lost on me. It is the opinion of the moderation team that this change is overdue. If you have compelling arguments against it, please post an answer b...

Mixed feelings.
1) There has undeniably been some unnecessary negativity lately, which is not the commenters' fault, but they can't help it.
 
@ShaWiz Wait, is that one applicable?
 
2) This idea doesn't seem very fleshed out. Just stricter moderation, or should some posts get extra attention, or something else?
3) Sometimes, especially Metatimes, you need to really get your hand dirty to even get close to having discussed something. Disinfectants and gloves don't always help.
 
12:33 PM
Need to lurk on MSO more often - that's where all the action is! I would almost have missed the newest Twitter Driven Development: Editing code (!) to make it gender-neutral.
I wonder if and how this will affect the SE network.
 
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
12:54 PM
@AnneDaunted It used to be just fun, but customer beware, as you probably already know, it's more often than not depressing these days
 
@Marshmallow And I had just begun to become a bit optimistic...
 
it is a rollercoaster of emotions ...
 
@AnneDaunted You can cling on to your hope, as I have to mine, but it's infinitely more fun to think about Tink's crochets, Journey's dogs, and @Sha's Israeli cakes
than to keep having that trust and newfound hope challenged again and again by what might or might not be yet another instance of miscommunication
 
@Mithrandir sure
@Marshmallow easy: chop the hand off.
 
My point being that we've all grown a bit sensitive about this, and sometimes read some further prophecy into things we didn't use to do so before
@ShaWiz Hasta la vista
 
1:03 PM
@Marshmallow baby
 
It used to be fun when the most controversial topic we got was "emoji in posts" and "downrate me you not".
 
@Marshmallow Maybe I should change my name to Anne Hope.
 
I can say that the Tavern, without any exaggeration, has become my online home.
 
@AnneDaunted MSO is dead there is no point in spending any time there anymore
 
Admittedly, I usually spend more times elsewhere in real life.
Home can be conveniently replaced by "sleeping corridors".
@Mgetz Hey, cheer up
 
1:07 PM
@Mgetz That's depressing. I guess I stay where I usually hang out, until...
 
Until MCU phase 4.
 
@AnneDaunted It is, but it's complicated depressing. It's been a long slow death. It just became official then.
 
I don't think you can kill meta talk really.
Until folks are around, that is.
 
@Mgetz sounds like the apps
 
@Mgetz Was this the official announcement?
 
1:10 PM
It might replace itself with chat or whatever. But if meta folks don't get to spill some thoughts here and then, then the only possible working moderation model would be done with automated scripts
 
@Marshmallow if SE isn't paying attention to meta then the meta is dead, because it has no validity or use. It exists for posterity only. IMO it should be made read only
 
@AnneDaunted of MSO death? Yes, if those who should take part get panic attacks from the need to post there, it means one thing.
 
@AnneDaunted AFAIK that was the first step, but not the official announcement
 
It's useless for the users to rant among themselves where they'll never be official response. (Because the only people capable of such response are too afraid to post it.)
 
@Mgetz If? Have they ever paid too much attention?
 
1:13 PM
@Marshmallow back before MSE existed? Yes... they paid a lot of attention. The death has basically been downhill from there.
 
Don't fall victim to a golden age fallacy. Unless you mean 2008 and talking about new features and duplicate closures and sand and pearl.
 
@Marshmallow There was no 'golden age' there was a change in mission. A fundamental shift from what SO was envisioned by Jeff to what it is today
 
@Mgetz I don't think much has changed about how folks were doing things. You're just looking at it in different light now.
 
@Marshmallow Not until 2012 (when Jeff Atwood left)?
 
reads up
 
1:14 PM
@AnneDaunted Until the welcome wagon, CMs were more talkative, I admit. They even kept on after that. And I'm pretty sure they do read everything now.
 
@Marshmallow eh, that started a lot earlier.
 
The other employees were around back when SO was tiny-ish, and didn't have time to be when it grew.
 
wasn't the welcome wagon
 
@Marshmallow I agree in the sense that meta hasn't mattered for the last few years again I trace that to the approximate point of the meta split
 
@AnneDaunted I have a very simple idea as far as our meta goes. I kinda have an idea of what I want it to be
But I don't want to tell folks to be nicer or else
 
1:16 PM
@JourneymanGeek Well, the scale I'm looking at, the significant change happened after the recent drama. Esp. about Shog and Jon.
 
@JourneymanGeek Do you think MSE matters more than MSO?
 
@AnneDaunted no
But I have a better chance of influencing change and a few key people here
 
@Marshmallow What happened to Shog and Jon?
 
@Marshmallow There was drama about Shog? I miss so much of what is going on
 
SO has a few other problems - Its too important
 
1:17 PM
@AnneDaunted No
@Mgetz Nothing out of the ordinary.
 
I mean, if someone tweeted angrily about the same situation on SU...
no one would care
 
@Marshmallow someone forgot to ship Shog his monthly whiskey shipment? ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek What makes you so sure?
 
They were very active participants in any philosophical discussion they could get their hands on, but the 'relentless negativity' of meta recently hasn't seen too many posts from them.
 
@AnneDaunted cause no one really cares about us.
I mean, I hope SE does
but to the outside world, changing us isn't a grand gesture
 
1:19 PM
Hey now, what happened to your positively mediating mood, Ashley
 
There's no glorified computer user community
@Marshmallow actually - if you think about it, that's part of the issue with SO
People want to change SO as part of trying to change a broader mindset
 
@JourneymanGeek SU is much bigger than IPS and see what happened to them. It's not about the stack in any way, it's about the complaint on Twitter. That's what matters.
 
That you're not mediating things?
 
@AnneDaunted The person who complained about IPS said she didn't want that on the SO sidebar
 
@Marshmallow FR: every 6-8 hour is Town Hall Meeting on the Tavern
 
1:21 PM
@JourneymanGeek What if they had found a SU question objectionable? Same result
 
@AnneDaunted SU is boring
 
Anime is more boring. Android is the most boring.
 
But if someone complained about seeing that on the #superuser sidebar, they'd probably end up getting pointed at the wrong place and we'd never hear about it
 
Chemistry is very interesting.
 
@AnneDaunted that also means as a SO outsider with little social media swing...
I don't think its a place where I can try to influence internal change
in terms of what I see is a healthier community
 
1:23 PM
@MetaAndrewT. I mean, it's like I got serially upvoted for 5 on Anime.SE but the system didn't see it as serialized votes...
 
If things work here, and people start wondering what we did better then we can try to get the same sort of things - a more positive outlook, and bridgebuilding with the people who run the company
But a lot of the time that has to start with strife and calmer heads winning
 
@MetaAndrewT. Maybe it wasn't serial voting but just a very crazy coincidence
 
@MetaAndrewT. There are allegedly discords....
 
2:06 PM
I think I'll just see SE as in puberty now... 10 years old is just about the period...
(I don't know what I'm talking about 😵)
 
2:19 PM
Well, if I was the parent I would buy them a place for themselves ....
Maybe we need to determine first who is in puberty now. Maybe it is only the community ....
 
If Stack Exchange was a person, they'd be too young to be allowed on the Internet.
 
I was on the internet at 10...
 
2:40 PM
When I was 10 I had to invent the internet ...
 
2:54 PM
It would be some much better if a while was replaced with 6 to 8 weeks ... I need to keep smiling, right?
 
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