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2:27 AM

Ugh morning

Journeyman Geek

3:00 AM

user image

Apparently SE's a pioneer. Facebook has new member thing too

Get Answer Wizard

3:23 AM

Looks like Stack Exchange™️ Hand Waver™️...

Journeyman Geek

3:38 AM

Yup

Which is why its curious ;)

Get Answer Wizard

On a very unrelated meta post...

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Q: What do moderators wish the users of Unix & Linux (.SE) knew?

As we welcome our new rulersmoderators (congratulations!), and they discover the ropes of moderation, it seems to me the ideal time to ask this question. What do moderators wish the users of Unix & Linux knew? (I mean users of the Stack Exchange web site, here, not general users of Unix-style o...

Journeyman Geek

Thats an interesting question ...

especially since mods are users first

2 hours later…

Journeyman Geek

5:32 AM

→ 35 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

6:05 AM

That AU one is... straaangeee

Journeyman Geek

6:17 AM

Ah. So that's what they were up to.

Get Answer Wizard

6:46 AM

Nursery Rhyme spam!!1!

Any chance to change room name like -> 'Tavern on the Meta Wizard' :)

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@GetAnswerWizard Whoa nice question

Imma just upvote it so it stays in HNMQ

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Q: How can I get through very long and very dry, but also very useful technical documents when learning a new tool?

Vulkan is a very useful API for rendering projects, and I would like to learn how to use it as it opens up new possibilities for doing some rendering tricks much more efficiently than in OpenGl. I am having significant trouble learning it, however. It is a very complex API with many essential de...

Everyone in this question is 'right there' with the OP

It has a parent-over-shoulder vibe

7:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek Facebook had that thing before SE.

Oh, and good morning :)

2 hours later…

8:55 AM

→ 22 messages moved to Chimney

Annoying that there's no way to do that from mobile.

@Mithrandir Yeah, doing stuff on mobile is always annoying :)

Getting up at 4:30AM is no fun, by the way.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Staying awake till then isn't fun either.

I prefer it that way around...

9:33 AM

I'm now told to work on my comprehension skills. Not going to push it to request working on their sense of humor. I accept my humor is at another level.

@rene So you comprehend that? Congrats, you improved! :P

lol

Were you told this by a manager? Managers are weird :P

Get Answer Wizard

10:15 AM

Chief of Comprehension

What does the Chief of Comprehension do, besides making people comprehend?

10:32 AM

@Tinkeringbell no, on MSO

but I have had those managers as well.

@rene Oh, if it's just MSO :P

Spammer keeps posting it ^

(so better nuke that account.)

@JNat cross site spammer, small one but steel.... ;)

@ShadowWizard this was the previous one: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/325841/…

@ShadowWizard I see what you did there... ;P

@JNat good eyes! :D

10:42 AM

looking in a minute

@rene yeah, assumed they had more.

(post spam; delete; repost;)

@ShadowWizard Ah. I was waiting for that to pop up again and know for sure it was spam!

Get Answer Wizard

spam all the flags~

@GetAnswerWizard flags as uh... flag abuse? Sure, why not

Time for Falafel!

11:04 AM

@ShadowWizard Eet smakelijk!

11:25 AM

@SonictheWizardWerehog gone

@JourneymanGeek gone

@ShadowWizard gone

11:49 AM

@JNat thanks!

@rene danken!

12:13 PM

And now after falafel, coffee!

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

12:27 PM

@ShadowWizard ykh

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Q: Instant self-answer leads to double First Posts review

When reviewing this answer on Astronomy Stack Exchange, my attention was drawn to the very first sentence: My attempt at an answer of my own question. So ... did a user inadvertently create another account here to answer their own question? Nope, they didn't – they were just assigned extra ...

bug review instant-self-answer

Erm, should it be fixed though?

O/

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@Rob 0/

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard hky?

Hello to you also.

Hallo

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

12:33 PM

What's up?

Riddle: what's wrong in this picture?

How's the coffee holding out, get through that box yet? I finished a jar that I started around the same time as yours arrived a couple of days ago.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@ShadowWizard Answer: I can't see it

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard 0.5 points

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

A jar in a few days? Holy crud

Now I wanna go drink some coffee

Also studying. BBL

12:37 PM

@Rob I consume two capsules on Friday and 2-3 on Saturday, plus sometimes one during the week. So about 5 weekly. Three months, right? So... 3*4*5 = 60 capsules consumed, still 40 remaining. ;)

@ShadowWizard Someone abandoned their garbage on a tank?

And I drink over a dozen mugs a day ...

@Rob huh? You mean the one that is covered? Nah, it just means it's not on alert and won't be shooting any time soon. ;)

@Rob whoa that's even more than me.... lol :D

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard three months, he talk about this:

Jan 8 at 13:07, by Shadow Wizard

Ordered 100 capsules of espresso coffee.

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard EYS!

@ShadowWizard that those tanks are out there :(

The pop bottle on the roof of the tank one behind the two men putting the barrel out of alignment (leaning on your weapon is a no-no, especially a rifle).

@rene 1 point (out of 5)

@Rob ohhh lol I didn't even notice that because that's so normal and I always left bottles on the tank. (Which isn't a tank, it has no armor... it's a Self-propelled gun ;))

Self-propelled gun

A self-propelled gun (SPG) is a form of self-propelled artillery, and in modern use is usually used to refer to artillery pieces such as howitzers. Self-propelled guns are mounted on a motorized wheeled or tracked chassis (because of this they are sometimes visually similar to tanks). As such the gun can be maneuvered under its own power as opposed to a towed gun that relies upon a vehicle or other means to be moved on the battlefield. Self-propelled guns are combat support weapons; they are employed by combat support units fighting in support of, or attached to, the main combat units: infantry...

@Rob anyway, +5 you hit the spot. Those two should not be on the barrel, it's against basic safety orders.

12:45 PM

Saves gas, but couldn't a hand held rocket disable it?

The barrel can move with a switch inside the gun, and someone might trigger that switch by accident.

@Rob that's why those are always far in the back.

Tanks are in front.

The range is 10-20 km, can be more.

But gun range 10% further!

@Rob hmm?

It depends on the type of rocket it fires

You made it sound like they put SPG ~20 km from the front line, but the howitzer shoots 22.4 km.

Anyway, this is a tank, and also with severe safety rules breaking. :(

12:58 PM

Anyways, gtg Shad. Need coffee too. :)

Anyway, we can talk about other things, I guess.

cough

OK, coffee was good!

@ShadowWizard Great :)

I still have another hour to go until tea time.

But there will be stroopwafel :D

@Tinkeringbell I have to get some of those as I promised them as a reward

sigh

thinking of the best way to steal @M.A.R's book

posting LH question

→ 25 messages moved to Trashcan

1:14 PM

Okay, just got an annoying e-mail. The chocolate easter eggs are on the table of the conference room. The conference room in 150 km north of me, as I'm working from home ...

@rene :( :( :(

Time to rebel and get your own easter eggs!

oh, that is tempting ...

Isn't easter over long ago??

It is! I want some too now. Ah well, I can go grocery shopping tomorrow morning ;)

@ShadowWizard Last year's Easter is :P

My boss brought Lindt chocolate bars when getting back from Germany yesterday.

1:19 PM

This year it's 19-22 of April

200g bars.

@Tinkeringbell heh, very near Passover.

@ShadowWizard I'm remembering both being related somehow, though I can't remember the detais.

@Tinkeringbell this?

@ShadowWizard I remember! Before being crucified Jesus had a Seder meal :)

At least that's what I've always been told.

Meta Bug Wizard

> Q: What <word request here> do we expect of moderators? A: patient and fair; leads by example ... (other list items on an election page)

Does quality fit in the above sentence? i.e. "What qualities do we expect of moderators?"

The original sentence on the election page is Our general criteria for moderators are as follows, but I'm looking for a word whose meaning is closer to characteristics or attributes rather than criteria.

quality (qualities) is in fact the first word that I came up with

1:34 PM

attitude?

qualities seems good though

Meta Bug Wizard

good, thanks

2:03 PM

The Next CEO of Stack Overflow

Joel Spolsky on March 28, 2019

Big news! We’re looking for a new CEO for Stack Overflow. I’m stepping out of the day to day and up to the role of Chairman of the Board. Stack Overflow has been around for more than a decade. As I look back, it’s really amazing how far it has come. Only six months after we had launched Stack Overflow, my co-founder Jeff Atwood and I were invited to speak at a Microsoft conference for developers in Las Vegas. We were there, I think, to demonstrate that you could use their latest ASP.NET MVC technology on a real website without too much of a disaster. (In fact .NET has been a huge, unmitigated …

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@Feeds I vote for Jay!

If anyone can make SO great again, it's him.

Where can I nominate?

Not on Jobs

I know! Twitter.

yikes

seems like a lot of upper management is just leaving

MEE the setup wizard

^ yep

2:09 PM

Shog doesn't leave.

I hope.

Tim doesn't leave.

I hope.

David was just promoted recently so also doesn't leave. I hope. :)

@Magisch two aren't really a lot, still don't think it's a mass leaving.

(balpha isn't management)

Exodus

user302202

@Feeds Hardly news at all, TBH.

@AskQuestionWizard you saw it in your crystal ball?

Why didn't you tell?! :D

Internal candidates first!

@rene Shog?

2:12 PM

Hmm, I don't think he would fancy that

user302202

Joel was fading out of day to day stuff for a long time.

Journeyman Geek

@AskQuestionWizard What I tended to hear was he was a great guy - but we kinda never really saw him much on the sites proper

@ShadowWizard don't tell Tim, cause he'll hate me, but I'm kinda hoping he gets promoted ;)

@AskQuestionWizard still, being CEO usually doesn't mean they should take care of day to day stuff. For that they hire other people. No?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard eh kinda sorta

user302202

Site engagement was never his thing to begin with; I referred to creation of additional layers of abstractions between CEO and the field operations.

2:14 PM

What does a CEO do?

CEO should set the general direction the company goes into.

chief things

MEE the setup wizard

important things

user302202

More interesting is the relation between CEO and President, since SO still has the latter.

Journeyman Geek

There's different ways to run a company - There's the broad stratergy of course, but there's something to be said for someone who's the face of the company to the bigger world

2:16 PM

@AskQuestionWizard huh? Who?

user302202

David.

user302202

Especially if President is someone who was with the company for N years, and CEO is hired externally.

@JourneymanGeek promoted to what position?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well, more specifically, I think the veep of culture should be an SO/SE person ;p

user302202

For a while I imagined Jay would be taking Joel's position when Joel steps away, but...

2:17 PM

@JourneymanGeek VIP

:)

Journeyman Geek

@AskQuestionWizard so basically lots of moved cheese ahead

That's not cheese moving

I get the feeling being CEO is a thankless and annoying job

Journeyman Geek

Its the whole cheese shop getting put on a trailer? ;p

you got to juggle all the priorities, make decisions that most people will hate, and the blame game always stops at you

user302202

2:18 PM

One thing for sure: being a 2nd in command when a new 1st in command comes from the outside is something that leads one to at least consider moving.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch from what I've seen of Joel - he seems to like building things ;)

then CEO probably wasn't the best role for him

Journeyman Geek

but once they're built, well, there's the next thing to build

At least not of a "settled" company

Journeyman Geek

Actually true of quite a few software dev types ;)

2:19 PM

I know I'll never go into management

precisely because of that dynamic

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch IMO the best managers are the folks who don't want to be

Because you've still got a bit of your head in the way people do things.

@MEEthesetupwizard you rang?

Journeyman Geek

Also...

> I’m stepping out of the day to day and up to the role of Chairman of the Board.

does mean Joel's probably going to still be around, least in an advisory level

MEE the setup wizard

@Glorfindel yep. You responded to my comments with a link to a query. Can you give the link to me (not having 10k rep yet) please?

@MEEthesetupwizard data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/1017982/…

and data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/1017983/…

MEE the setup wizard

2:24 PM

Thanks

SEDE has a user profile page as well, including recently edited queries

So that is what you're up to ...

Busted!

@JourneymanGeek who else on that Board?

Who's the current chairman?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard honestly? Never bothered to check

hehe

I'm surprised that a not-so-big company like SE even have a Board and stuff.

Maybe it's part of them getting $40M from a private fund few years ago?

Well if anyone knows, it's @Ask. :)

Journeyman Geek

2:32 PM

stackoverflow.com/company/management dosen't actually say

Wait... @AskQuestionWizard why won't you be the next CEO? :-)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard to a certain extent it makes sense

Get Answer Wizard

@ShadowWizard Weekly SE trivia? I'm sold...

MEE the setup wizard

@GetAnswerWizard Trivia.Meta.StackExchange?

> Member of the Board of Directors

No chairman

Journeyman Geek

2:33 PM

yup

In honor of our... Chairman of the Board...

Frank Sinatra - That's Life

@Shog9 lol

Good to see you around!

Michael Pryor appears to be, but it says "only" Co-Founder

Journeyman Geek

He also was CFO at some point?

Yeah

So looks like Joel will be the 5th member, and the chairman.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard presumably.

2:36 PM

@Shog any changes for you that we should know about? ;)

ah...

about that

yes

you become a dev?!

I'm about to leave

5

nooooo

Journeyman Geek

._.

2:36 PM

no

Journeyman Geek

Maaaan

...to drive to Black Forest Colorado for a delicious breakfast sandwich

I guess he is. It's not April Fools yet.

Journeyman Geek

....

But I'll return after that

Journeyman Geek

2:37 PM

@Shog9 You monster.

@Shog9 you.. .. ..

lolz

Journeyman Geek

;p

@Shog9 Sadly that can't be interpreted as an April Fools joke either :P

no joke

it's seriously a good breakfast sandwich

Pic or it never happened

Get Answer Wizard

2:37 PM

I kind of saw that coming... that car...

I can take pic of my sandwich too.

How far of a drive are you making for it?

Here's a link to the menu: rnrcoffeecafe.com/restaurant.html#menu

I am willing to drive hours for a decent salmon bagel.

the link doesn't work

so you'll have to just trust me: it has... Some sort of coffee-glazed bacon on it

2:39 PM

@Shog9 it does. Empty menu.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 the kerning slightly breaks my dyslexic brain ._.

the juices are so good you'll wanna lick your plate clean

Get Answer Wizard

Maybe another link to the menu: places.singleplatform.com/r-and-r-coffee-cafe/menu

We’re tweaking or BBQ Pork Sammich: adding a quick pickle jalapeño and our crispy onion straws. And, yes, it’s quite tasty this way! #eatlocal #fromscratchcooking

Tweeted by rnrcoffeecafe on March 23, 2019 at 7:33 PM

That reminds me... we bought bacon bits but now we switched dinner plans... but I can of course still add bacon bits :D

2:41 PM

see, the keming on that is wild... I read it as "mr coffee cafe"

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 that's how I read it...

that is what it says ...

Get Answer Wizard

I couldn't even read the URL at first...

Journeyman Geek

with a bit of that wierd almost flicker where the brain is flipping between r n r and m r

Why settle for a boring ol’ breakfast sandwich when we have a T.A.B.L.E Sammich ready for you? #coffeebacon #sammich #deelish

Tweeted by rnrcoffeecafe on November 15, 2017 at 3:21 PM

THAT'S what I'm after.

2:42 PM

Nice... strawberries for breakfast!

Get Answer Wizard

Sandwich Overflow

2

@Shog9 eww it's 1.5 years old

Journeyman Geek

those strawberries do look good

if your hands aren't covered in egg and bacon grease, it wasn't a real breakfast.

a bit early in the year for strawberries

Journeyman Geek

2:43 PM

@ShadowWizard I think someone ate the sandwich in that time... ;p

@Shog9 I'll never eat a real breakfast then, that sounds gross.

@JourneymanGeek so even worse! :P

@Tinkeringbell only until you lick your fingers clean

@rene You can get them year round by now. But our strawberry tree is still barren :)

Journeyman Geek

....

strawberries grow on trees?

2:44 PM

The berries in the pic aren't from a tree. ;)

it's a handy reminder to put down your phone and focus on what's important

Get Answer Wizard

money does

@Shog9 Ehhh. The tube of eczema creme does say it's for external use only, so no licking fingers. Sorry!

@JourneymanGeek wild berries, sure. My grandfather had a tree with AWESOME berries.

amazon.com/Shaking-Nickel-Bush-Ralph-Moody/dp/0803282184

2:44 PM

@JourneymanGeek Ours do! :D

Journeyman Geek

.... immagonnagooglethat

@Tinkeringbell you should totally drop that & try bacon grease

Journeyman Geek

that's almost of a mind blower as finding out how brussels sprouts grow

@Tinkeringbell just FYI this was deleted on MSO before you deleted this. Something up with that user?

@Journeyman such a tree:

user image

2:46 PM

@rene You need to ask Chris then, I can't see deleted SO stuff

@ShadowWizard I blocked that person in chat so they won't be able to do that again. That's the second person that I've blocked, if they were hoping to be first they weren't successful. Back in a few hours, if you're still awake (drink more coffee!).

Journeyman Geek

those look like current

user image

We call that our strawberry tree :D

Journeyman Geek

OH

@Tinkeringbell I don't think I ever pinged Chris

2:47 PM

@Rob yeah me too, and they're chat banned now. So it's all behind us.

Ours has some kind of drainage in the middle, is about shoulder hight, and allows for easy watering from up top.

@rene Go on, he doesn't bite.

@rene because he was never here?

Oh, I'll do it.

oh, you mean on SO

@rene @ChrisF as I can't see deleted stuff on SO, could you take a look please?

Journeyman Geek

2:47 PM

....

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/globaltag-megablender

@Tinkeringbell oooohhhhh, I want to visit when that has fruit on it.

Journeyman Geek

what is this even?

@ShadowWizard that's a mulberry

@Shog9 it's a tasty berry. :)

Journeyman Geek

One of my big regrets in the UK was passing by a wild raspberry bush every day....

2:49 PM

@JourneymanGeek think it refers to the tag auto complete feature

Journeyman Geek

and being too scared to try it ;)

ugh... no... more like tag filters on SE

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard so... that needs someone to fill in a tag wiki exerpt... or at least know what that is ;p

its a valid tag, just ... mysterious

@ShadowWizard it is. Trees'll shred your feet climbing 'em though

Still worth it

@Shog9 never had to climb. Picked the low hanging berries. :)

The tree died 20 years ago or so... don't remember how... think when it got to -5 degrees one night. :(

2:52 PM

Your trees die after a night of freezing? :/

Poor tree

Get Answer Wizard

Let's put a historical lock on globaltag-megablender tag instead...

@Tinkeringbell well the average at winter is 12 (during night), and lowest usually is 5. We get below zero once every few years.

The tree survived few such things, guess it became old.

(and I mean where I live, not whole Israel - we do have cold regions, e.g. where @Mith lives ;))

@JourneymanGeek not sure enough yet

Journeyman Geek

@GetAnswerWizard I'm tempted to ask a question about what the globaltag-megablender is....

ohhhhhh

151

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Stack Exchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™ Originator: badp, made popular by rchern in a comment on this question First Seen: 27 Sept. 2010 Cultural Height: margin-top: 6px; Definition: Variants: Stack Exchange™ GlobalTag MegaBlender™ (1, 2) Stack Exchange™ ChronoWarping ChatCombi...

That is it ^

user302202

@rchern Open a new feature request. Wildcards have a minimum of 3 characters, so you'd have to do every combination *aaa*, *aab*, *aac*...which probably wouldn't be very efficient :) — David Fullerton ♦ Nov 2 '10 at 16:57

Get Answer Wizard

2:56 PM

oh, just a Multicollider... moving on...

user302202

A reminder that once upon a time, the current President was dealing with wildcard in tags and adding status- tags to things.

user302202

Another inspirational rags to riches story.

@AskQuestionWizard which is good, no?

Get Answer Wizard

@AskQuestionWizard he's already a President? Looks like his SO Careers profile hasn't been updated then?

or I'm missing something so obvious...

@GetAnswerWizard looks like he forgot to update.

Twitter is updated: twitter.com/df07

> President & CTO at Stack Overflow

Hehe

M&M Sorting Robot

3:05 PM

@ShadowWizard Robots are taking all the good jobs :(

@Tinkeringbell Question blocked on SO.

Fairly normal behaviour to try asking anywhere and everywhere else.

@ChrisF Ah... I can handle the rest then, thanks! :)

user302202

3:27 PM

Jeff for CEO.

Journeyman Geek

Not too likely

He does have a shiny new thing he is building ;)

Get Answer Wizard

1 2

^ this Jeff

~~Based on the second bullet point, does that mean I can do whatever I want?~~

Get Answer Wizard

You can do anything like restricting what you can do until you can do nothing

That's like a bad programming paradigm...

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