@ShadowThePrincessWizard I have encountered an argument that blatant attempts to break the rules are actually requests for permission. That is, if SE "should have known" that UniKitty and UniDoggy were socks but failed to take action, then they implicitly consented to the sock behavior.

@Magisch reminds me of Oded.

there is no end to the line of bad rationales

@ShadowThePrincessWizard in a very good way :D

@Magisch yup

@ColumbiasaysReinstateMonica well action was taken, UniKitty got suspended for a year.

if anyone knows a good PM: twitter.com/Yaakov/status/1204000277680013312

I know one, but she just left :(

If anyone is curious enough... read here about UniKitty: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/721?m=3691675#3691675

Plus some ancient Den history.... :)

popping in, in case anyone is interested (Cerberus originally asked about this) - 1 month now and 0 response on my GDPR request. As I'm in US - there is nothing I can do but there you have it

It seems from responses in here that SE doesn't have my address (despite the way I had to opt-out of something) but it does nothing to ease my mind on the threats of violence I've been getting with links to Meta.SE. Bye and thanks for all the fish

o/

Though you might want to flag if there's serious threats.

Just got here. What's this about someone getting suspended for sock puppeting?

rumours?

I dunno. Maybe even gossip.

Depends on how strict your definition of gossip is, I guess.

Refering to Shadow's comment on Unikitty

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica I don't think the conversation was actually about anybody getting suspended for socks recently. It just happened to come up. Though I could have missed something.

Ah ok, thanks

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica a very long time ago. Probably before I was active on meta 😁

@Tinkeringbell The threats weren't made on SE, but they linked to SE stuff. See chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=8008782#8008782

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica old stuff

@JourneymanGeek 2015

@PM2Ring Oh. Well, unless those threats came from SE... I don't really see how GDPR relates to it :|

It is still bad... but not like 'SE sent me swag once and now they want to come by with a giant S' bad.

@Tinkeringbell guess they want some content to be redacted? Not sure I understand it either.

If SE content leads to external threats, it's expected those getting the threats will want that content removed.

Remember when Stack Exchange discussion was fun?

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica sure

I miss that

Well

@Hitodama I put an edited version out for this year

Just discuss it here.

;)

Let's lighten this up a bit

!!/coffee Biscuit

@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of Latte for @Biscuit

@Tinkeringbell I considered asking Jeff to sell his giant S

@Tinkeringbell I suppose the worst case scenario is if SE had Link's address on file in plaintext, and it got hacked by the neo-Nazis.

Must be precious.

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica We'll get it back for you, I promise to try :)

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I'll crochet my own;)

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica Puppy!

This one is better though.

@Tinkeringbell please do! :)

Capybara + cat:

@PM2Ring Okay, that's ... acceptable :P

@PM2Ring I'm melting. I'm melting!

@ArtOfCode I... kinda added a few colors. A few too much colors.

capybara looks cuddly

cat is also cuddly

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I saw it when I logged in earlier. It appeared in the snowflake menu.

@b_jonas oh, I see. So TL;DR it was a dev mistake, fixed by now.

(i.e. you don't really have that hat)

@Yaakov while we're here.... will there be a swag contest this year? Thanks, and "no idea" or just no reply would also be totally understandable. :)

/me looks in, wibbles, and rolls away

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Doubt it. Last year's was for the tenth anniversary.

@djsmiley2k-CoW aww

@rene seems you were right. No more lost plushies today :(

sorry ...

For being right?

Yes

Mighty nice of you ;)

Despite popular belief, I'm nice

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???

*confused squinting*

Crybaby?

waa waaa waaaa waaaaah

:)

@terdon-stopharmingMonica ohhh. How was I supposed to get that with the timing that far off??

towardsdatascience.com/…

@JL2210-SupportMonica everything is better on a trombone.

Except, perhaps, peanut butter.

@JL2210-SupportMonica I've been wondering what this sound's origin has been

@Mithical Thank you <3

Nothing quite like finding and answering a 6+ year old question

Denvercoder9?

Who is Denvercoder9?

Wait, that was from the XKCD comic, wasn't it

🎉

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica we still don't know ...

@Aza Not really, no. Maybe something about hats.

> Member for 9 years, 8 months

@Aza bah, you made me look at my own reputation tab as I wanted to say "No, all looks fine for me" :(

I like the new wording used for suggested duplicate comments

When did that change happen?

@Aza no serial voting on my account. These votes on your account should get reversed, if not, raise a mod flag.

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica 6 to 8 days ago

There's a change I'm 100% on board with

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica mixed reception: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339563/…

@Aza yeah, you might raise a mod flag for SE staff to look into.

@rene I wonder how much of that is because it happened without announcement

i stopped getting random downvotes on old questions when i stopped participating

:shrug:

I had an initial bit of confusion when I saw it pop up

they rarely ever got reversed

@user400654 did you get those down votes on now deleted post? Your MSE and SO profiles don't look that bad?

there is not much to reverse due to that ...

see all my SO questions

they tended to leave my answers alone

@user400654 Mod-flag

If in doubt, mod-flag

not worth bothering a mod over

Well you either want it investigated or you don't want it investigated; your choice

the difference is I know why the downvoters did it... and find it amusing

:p

Almost every one of them can be loosly linked to a comment i left suggesting how to improve a question or answer

You monster

@user400654 Such is probably considered "being toxic" nowadays :-(

@user400654 that is why high-reps need to have questions. That is where the downvotes go

Only one of my questions were deleted, i deleted it to affect my question/answer ratio

@rene It should be perfectly balanced

If most of it is connected to one comment The Machine should detect it and do a reversal at the end of the day.

@Rob Reversal detection depends on time points and single user. Connection with comments isn't really possible.

time points ?

@Rob If you receive multiple votes within a certain time frame, that triggers the serial voting script.

@πάνταῥεῖ It's not that simple, the method is secret. As for connection with comments isn't really possible, there's multiple Bots in this chatroom doing exactly that; and they don't have the same access and permissions as The Machine.

@Rob ish, you can guess it reasonably well

@rene Posted my thoughts on it meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339563/…

I also don't like that the answer to that question was deleted

This is why when an old account is deleted it takes a while, they have to properly verify the votes before they fix them, then people see 'User was deleted' messages and a change in people's rep. (With associated trombone).

I just got a refund from a while ago, where I seemingly received inexplicable downvotes; not that a few points here or there matters, but it's both the principle and a win for the software.

@rene After reading that, the more I think about the comment change, the more it unsettles me

I really don't like people having words put in their mouth

I feel like that's worse than having your comment removed

You better get used to that. It is the new default.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of previous examples that changed the intent of what a person said

Or at least, not intentionally

well, isn't that what dupe closing is for?

"Your answer can be found here"

is the intent really being changed?

i mean, you may have intended the comment for the people viewing the post, not the op, but the op is the one who gets pinged by it. they're the target.

that's unavoidable, other than by quickly deleting said comment

changing what the comment contains doesn't change that you engaged with the op

The old comment looked like something automated

The new comment is explicitly asking the user a question, as if you want them to reply to you

If someone asks me a question, and I reply, I expect them to see it

and they will

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica I don't think the old comment looked like something automated. I think it looks to us like it's automated because we know it is.

I think the new duplicate comment wording is better, since most of the new users would relate possible duplicate rather to their exact question wording, than to an existing answer for the same problem found elsewhere.

@πάνταῥεῖ I like the new wording better too. But any changes to a user's comments should be announced in advance

That's my problem

Don't change what a person is saying.

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica Did you type out the duplicate message by hand, or using the flagging / close vote options?

I flagged previously, yes.

It's not the best system, yes, but consistency is key

I keep reading that post title as, Winter Bash 2019 Knifing.

Since editing the automatic comment is allowed, I'd expect someone to come up with a user script that immediately edits the comment to the old form or a different form.

Just earn a gold badge and not have autocomments

could a mod please edit a tag into my "Does this answer your question?" post? See comments. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339700/…

I just came across the new duplicate notice "does this answer your question", the only point I've found is this, with which I agree, but not which I came here for. When the questions are exactly the same, honestly the new wording comes off as passive aggressive, because they are the same. Is this something to raise in the linked post, or a standalone post? Any suggestions? Thanks.

I don't quite know what the rules are for a new post vs. "all feedback should be an answer in the announcement post".

@pkamb The mods don't have the answer to your question, only staff do.

but I'm compiling all known issues related to this Comment in my answer there

@Catija re: specifically: I am not sure what the actual ask is here, but the new language is status-bydesign. One of the posts that you linked to has some good anecdotal evidence related to this change. – Yaakov Ellis♦ 2 days ago

I added in an actual Ask; would like that tagged status:bydesign

But you can make that change yourself. You're not adding the tag to a question, you're just making the tag appear in the post. Anyone can do that.

even the red tags work? I thought they didn't unless a mod or staff edited it

@pkamb copy thanks, so do I post an answer, or will you add it to your list?

Anyone can use them in posts. You just have to be a mod to use them as tags on questions.

perfect. Tagged, now. meta.stackexchange.com/a/339838/281934

it seems like Sonic's recent post could be expanded to enumerate all "Does this Answer your question" edge cases such as same-author and no-answers: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/340009/…

FTR: would a "please edit this tag into my post" flag be rejected as "not requiring mod attention"? 🤔

@JohnDvorak we tend to leave red tags to staff as much as possible

Except in one case: a request was clearly completed at some point, but the tags were never changed

Other than that. You can fix those yourself