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2:02 PM
but SO is great because it enforces the former
 
mag
usually genuine human interaction on the web only happens in sheltered social spaces, e.g. this chat
 
@mag I guess that comes down to what you consider genuine human interaction. We deal with people on a very personal basis in mainsite questions as well on RPG. But, even more broadly, it really comes down to how people expect a given space to function doesn't it?
 
Sad day that such a legality exists. But I wouldn't be surprised if the network overall became 18+ soon especially with the COPPA revisions coming in the US. — mag 7 hours ago
I'm out of the loop (heh), what COPPA changes are coming?
 
mag
@Andy youtube is on fire over it right now
something about data collection and marked children's content
 
@JohnDvorak In some ways it does, but it seems like recently they want to shift towards being a space where people are treated as people and not just anonymous keyboards with a coding problem.
 
mag
2:08 PM
@Rubiksmoose I mean, in the context of strict Q/A or a strict form of discussion, real human interaction always gets modulated. And as long as people are anonymous or can be anonymous, social accountability doesn't exist.
 
@Rubiksmoose ... and that's inevitably going to bite them in the assassin.
 
mag
this chat works in that way because we know each other and are socially accountable to each other
 
@mag That's probably why I missed it. :\ I don't watch a lot of youtube and especially not meta-youtube
 
@Rubiksmoose that needs...social interaction
 
For chat, great. For the Q&A section, not so.
 
2:11 PM
@JourneymanGeek I don't mean to be pedantic here honestly, but what counts as social interaction? In a lot of ways I consider QA to be inherently social, and that is certainly much more clear when you look at the "softer", non-SO sites.
 
@Rubiksmoose on SU - I do try to actively engage the community. Those people are not computer problems with a keyboard
How do you know people if you won't talk to them?
 
But really I'm not arguing one is more right than the other, but more pointing out the observation that some of the conflict is coming from mismatched expectations: some users expect this to be a space where you are anonymous and don't expect to be treated with any kind of humanising actions and there are those expecting or trying to make this a space where people are considered people first and foremost and that their personhood is important. And of course there is plenty of grey area.
It's almost certainly not a revolutionary or novel thought, but it was something that just recently clicked for me.
 
Either way, asking what race they are is going to be detrimental to future interactions no matter the answer
 
JAD
@Rubiksmoose Then the question is whether those non-SO sites really matter in the eyes of Corp.
 
If the don't why all this inclusivity kerfuffle? SO proper doesn't have issue with gender inclusivity!
 
2:16 PM
@JAD That's definitely one of many questions, for sure. The recent blog post definitely came across as a huge slap to any non-SO site to me.
 
JAD
@JohnDvorak Who knows?
 
What was the last blog post that wasn't offensive to a good chunk of the userbase?
 
@Rubiksmoose There's loads of grey area... I keep saying IPS isn't there to offer people hugs and hot chocolate... but we do need to keep in mind that we're dealing with people and personal problems, for example.
 
!!/alive
 
@ArtOfCode ... good question
 
2:23 PM
!!/reboot
 
!!/hug
!!/chocolate
!!/coffee
 
@JohnDvorak brews a cup of Americano for @JohnDvorak
 
OK... that's bad.
I'll give you another chance.
!!/coffee
 
@JohnDvorak brews a cup of Ristretto for @JohnDvorak
 
That's better
Muchbetter. Iknewyoucouldmakeadecentdrink.
 
2:27 PM
@Tinkeringbell Yup, same with RPG to some extent.
 
OK, feeling better now. That new feedback mechanism isn't what I expected, but hey... could be worse.
!!/tea Pandya
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of passionfruit tea for @Pandya
 
How do you propose to make it worse?
 
Plus, OEE daily report appears to be working.
@JohnDvorak feedback only through contact form, closing all meta sites right away.
 
Isn't that pretty much what's happening?
 
2:30 PM
@JohnDvorak nope
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard the feedback form has a bit of a ...
 
Meta is staying for some more time, at least.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard formally
 
@JohnDvorak it's only formal for several years.
Its main purpose is to let us rant and let off steam. ;)
 
on an unrelated notice, the site (nope, not meta, the other site) is still there and I am quite content with that.
Normally it would be archived by now, so maybe my wish will be granted.
 
2:36 PM
Winter site?
 
yep
 
hehe
No hats for us, we were bad kids.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard coal hat?
 
@Hitodama too much work
We don't deserve their dev time.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I am not really wanting to start that kind of argument. But no mater the reason, if this year gets skipped it is fine for me.
 
2:39 PM
Of course. Intended to tick "I hate hats" for the first time ever, or just ignore the hats, which would be bit harder.
But they took even this choice from my hands. ;(
 
Is the Winter Bash not happening this year?
 
mag
most likely not
doesn't look like dev resources will be spent on it
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard let's just say that my last interaction with anything related to the event will be that final knitting I posted in the other room.
 
@StevoisiaksupportsMonica looks like that, yeah. The previous winterbash site is still up, while at this time of year in previous years it was taken down since they started working on the new one.
(and obviously didn't want us to see it while it's developed :))
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard they have different ulrs, you know....
but you are right on the "archived" part
on an unrelated notice, who is the "crazy one" who chose the artwork for the Switch Hello Neighbor Hide&Seek box cover?
 
3:08 PM
...we should flag comments that call someone a bigot, right?
 
Well, if you think it needs to go, sure
 
3:25 PM
@StevoisiaksupportsMonica I can't really imagine many cases where such comments would be considered respectful or productive.
If there's problems with a post or another behavior, flagging would be the way to solve that without escalating things on MSE, not starting a comment argument if that's the case.
 
mag
words to the wise from the somehow sentient rubikscube :P
 
This whole thing has pushed out more good users than bad.
It's become an angry Reddit hivemind
 
welp i constructively answered the survey despite the thing being asked.
hope it gets somewhere.
 
3:43 PM
Is there a channel I can fill with internal screaming
Because that's what I feel like doing right now
 
@StevoisiaksupportsMonica Notepad ++
Has been successful for several users here already, including moi!
 
That did make me feel better
 
Try copy pasting it a few times... even better ;)
 
write it as a C script, dark background, green text, randomized tab spaces, a infinite loop to print, and you have Screaming Matrix.
 
3:50 PM
Heh... that one is quite funny, actually.
 
so, what's up?
 
I finished Yakuza 0 last week
 
neat. i beat the new star wars game last week myself.
 
@Tinkeringbell I am not sure that it would be very constructive for me to just accept SE as a fuel for my inner Aggretsuko.
 
how's Yakuza 0? never played the saga
 
4:01 PM
that said, maybe we could create a Meta Heavy Meta(L) user group to vent our anger Retsuko style.
not really my genre though.
 
as long as spiked armbands with the SO logo are handed in, i'm in.
 
Ryan Donovan on November 26, 2019

We know that Stack Overflow is a daily part of a lot of developers’ lives. I’ve heard from multiple people that they come here daily (if not more often) to get answers to their questions. Sometimes the answer to a question about code comes as a chunk of code. And sometimes that code makes it into production applications because it answered the question perfectly. 

A group of researchers investigated these code snippets to see how secure they were, and if the security flaws that they introduced remained vulnerable in the project. Ashkan Sami, Associate Professor at Shiraz University, Foutse …

 
Before Meta
After Meta
Yep, seems appropriate.
 
@Feeds duh
 
i just hope that those vulnerabilities detectors aren't as sensible as my sonarqube
 
4:12 PM
@CptEric Yakuza 0 was great. First one in the series I'd played
As someone who'd never played the series before, it's a very good intro
> After several rounds of review, they boiled down to 69 vulnerabilities that we could with some certainty state they are vulnerable.
Nice
 
@CptEric sonarqube rejects all my code, just to prevent any mishaps.
 
weakness != bug though, depending on the sensor.
mine tells me uppercased constants are not fun in kotlin and tags them as critical bugs.
\o/
 
Someone pointed out one of my most popular answers inherently had a memory leak. I already hadn't been proud of my answer, so I added a warning to the top.
 
i once was called out by certain lead of certain coloured logo company that their component wasn't designed to work like that and that my accepted answer hack was terrible.
 
The issue comes when the top answer is bad, but nobody's suggested a better alternative
 
4:20 PM
i have the inner hope that the horrors of my student-era code made recyclerview exist.
 
On SharePoint, most users would probably be content with a "vulnerable answer"...
 
That was a good blog post. I'd like to see more like it
 
yup
 
mag
@Tinkeringbell one good thing is if you don't post you get to use all the profanity and sailor language you want
 
sailor language lol
 
4:28 PM
@mag Yep!
There's been more f---s in notepad lately than sprinkles on sandwiches ;)
 
totally unrelated, do anyone remember WHEN in FF7 Marlene and Barret went to the church near Aerith house? I remember Marlene in the church in the Advent Children movie but not in the game
 
Rob
It's "swear like a longshoreman" or "swear like a trucker" - this is "sailor language":
 
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4:53 PM
🚽
 
Oh hey, it looks like they finally made the buses automatically process the card when you swipe it when you've purchased a day pass instead of having the driver punch it in. Finally.
 
A streamer forgot to disable edit suggestions before sharing a google doc. It's currently a glorious, chaotic mess
 
5:08 PM
@Hitodama I believe that scene happens in Advent Children, not FF7.
 
5:27 PM
@DeNovosupportsGoFundMonica I didn't say the decision was wrong, I just said what I see as the likely consequences. Even in employee-employer relationships, reinstatement is a very rare remedy
 
@BryanKrause It is also rare to recover one's face after losing it so thoroughly.
 
@Emanuele-reinsMonica-Ciriachi SE's face or Monica's?
 
Is that a rethorical question? :) SE's, of course.
 
@Emanuele-reinsMonica-Ciriachi I guess I don't really see how it's relevant
 
5:57 PM
@Andy The FTC issued a request for comments about what is currently going well and what needs fixing with COPPA. The scope of questions asked is quite large. The next step is to look at that info, create proposed changes to the regulations, and then ask for comments on the changes. Nobody knows at this point what changes they will decide to make.
But if I remember correctly, the age threshold of 13 is hard-coded into the law, so they can't change it to 18 through a regulation.
@StevoisiaksupportsMonica You can contribute to this encyclopedia article
 
7:03 PM
That story about vulnerable code copy-pasted from SO is old news. Here's a post about it from early last month: meta.stackexchange.com/q/334811/334566
@Rob Pfft. Longshoremen & truckers are rank amateurs at swearing, compared to programmers who have to deal with a badly designed library / framework / API / language. :D
 
7:26 PM
specially if they swear in klingon.
 
Rob
7:39 PM
... in the Library.
 
7:53 PM
Is it possible to swear in other languages? I mean really swear?
 
8:03 PM
as far as i know you can hold entire conversations in spanish just using swears.
 
@rockwalrus-stopharmingMonica You absolute pancake! Of course it is.
 
Next you'll be telling me that it's worthwhile to read Shakespeare in something other than the original klingon.
 
Well, it really is!
Though that may be because I don't know what klingon is...
is it a conlang?
 
to the list of things humanity did because it could, without asking if it should.
 
8:08 PM
> The Klingon Hamlet was inspired by a popular line in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, in which the Klingon chancellor Gorkon comments to Captain Kirk that “You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.”
 
right between crocs, youtube double ads and fingered socks.
 
But yes, it's an actual conlang. I had a copy of the Klingon-English Dictionary as a kid.
 
All I remember is that it's a fairly synthetic language and doesn't really have a concept of adjectives. But I did translate a few lines of the Beatles' Yesterday into Klingon for irony's sake.
 
Oh, the silly things people do when they're kids...
 
Rob
They've surveyed swearing in English language music (caution: that link contains profanity and unfriendly language), surprisingly Rock is 6th and Country near last place for the most profane genres. --- Is swearing commonplace in non-English language music?
 
yes.
i'll make a quick spotify search
over 200 albums or singles just by using poo-derived swears in spanish.
same for certain body parts slang swears.
 
@Rob Yes. I can think of a few without looking stuff up: Mostly comedians that wrote a song, but also some rap/hiphop.
 
Rob
It's difficult to search because using "country" or "language" doesn't help.
 
same for snu snu related slang swears.
genres go from indy to punk, ska, rock, metal, classic, latino...
 
8:41 PM
@Rob The worst example of a Dutch one I know is this one < Link to lyrics only, it's super sweary... feel free to run through translate though at your own risk.
 
Rob
But surely those examples must pale compared to a song by ... (including text to search for, but no link): ... "Crunk Juice (2004). It contains more than 329 cuss words" ... There's a clean version on that webpage, where the whole song is completely beeped out.
 
That almost sounds like trance/dance music then :P
 
Rob
@Tinkeringbell Translating that using Google comes back clean, using one's imagination maybe there's a couple of rude things - written politely. :(
 
8:56 PM
I'm sorry... I really don't think I can drop the 'rude' translation in here :/
 
Rob
Nope, that's OK.
 
@Rob is it still rude if it's politely?
because then i have to discard some of those
 
I once met someone who spoke a language where almost every concept had a rude and a polite way to express it.
 
like monty python's english?
 
9:12 PM
heh. I sure wish I remember what language that was.
 
@CptEric Oh, the joys of Spanish chat flags... :P
 
@rockwalrus-stopharmingMonica Meta
 
Also, it's certainly possible for a song to "talk dirty" without using actual swear words. Plenty of old songs do that. I find those sorts of lyrics far more entertaining than songs that just straight up use swear words.
 
@PM2Ring Yep!
 
If you look at the history of them, a fair number originally used the canonical terms and got bowdlerized as they got passed down.
 
9:16 PM
@Tinkeringbell i wouldn't wish moderating a spanish chat to anyone.
 
@Tinkeringbell swearing with diseases is something very Dutch.
 
and if i said that in spanish, i could have put there atleast 4 swear words in a positive way
 
@Bart Is it? Mmm. Didn't realize it was that Dutch.. guess I'm the pancake now...
@CptEric Yeah, it came up a few times... I usually stayed away from those, I don't speak Spanish and apparently Google can't be trusted ;)
 
It never ceases to amaze me how terrible things in Spanish can be said as terms of endearment.
 
@rockwalrus-stopharmingMonica And then there's the old songs that were fine back when, but which people now misinterpreted or are really out of line these days...
 
9:19 PM
absolutely
 
@Bart "You pneumonia"?
 
@M.A.R. "cancer" is a favorite. As is "typhoid".
 
^ That.
 
Finnish singer Ina Forsman does a steaming hot version of the Nina Simone classic I Want a Little Sugar in My Bowl I posted the link to the album version, because it has the best audio quality, and it has a piano, but there are also several live versions available.
 
@Bart What about symptoms? You little internal hemorrhaging!
 
9:20 PM
@M.A.R. I think you may have a niche
 
That's kinda old-fashioned to me, I love it. In Iran, grannies and grandpas swear this way
 
@M.A.R. I mean... our childhood musical play (something you do when graduating lower school) used 'dried up dripping moustache' as an insult.
 
to whoever knows spanish enough to enjoy a song about, hum. auditioning your hand puppet / celebrating palm sunday. youtube.com/watch?v=xtJd6G26EQ0
 
I recommend Snollebollekes for anyone that's Dutch... They're not really woman-friendly.
 
9:23 PM
@Tinkeringbell :D
 
@Bart opgedroogde druipsnor :P
 
Yeah, I managed that translation :D
 
Wow... that was impresssive :)
 
@Tinkeringbell haha awesome
 
From tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GetTheeToANunnery "Mind you, the Elizabethans had so many words for the female genitals that it is quite hard to speak a sentence of modern English without inadvertently mentioning at least three of them." — Terry Pratchett, in alt.fan.pratchett
 
9:28 PM
@PM2Ring Ohhh! I think there was a Dutch 'election' for a good word to replace vagina last year... Got quite ridiculed and I don't remember the outcome..
Ahhh.. found it. 'Poenie'.
 
Cute.
 
Too cute, if you ask me... but then again, it was a poll to find a word that would be the counterpart of the word 4-5 year olds use to refer to penises ;)
 
9:41 PM
/me wibbles
 
Wobble!
 
what's with the non-english-rudeness-related questions though, doing a paper on swearing?
If so, "For beep's sake and other 10.000 swear words around the globe" is my suggested title.
 
In the SO Python room, we're pretty strict about the SE nice language policy, and we don't permit normal swear words. OTOH, our Salad Language has "tomato" for a mild swear word, and "yam" for a strong swear word. "Tomato" isn't very popular, but "yam" (and its derivatives, eg "yamming") gets a fair bit of use. ;)
 
9:59 PM
i HAVE CARBONARA! \O/
 
@PM2Ring hah!
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW Congratulations! Now get a lollipop and celebrate ;)
 
a lollipop?
 
Dutch thing :P
 
10:00 PM
Mostly said when people are happy about tiny things ;)
 
Rob
10:31 PM
@Tinkeringbell @djsmiley2k-CoW - Weebles, wobble ... You'll like this children's toy commercial:
 
 
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11:40 PM
@DeNovosupportsGoFundMonica I noticed your question gain a bounty. What do you think about sending a support request to ask if a CM has read your Q&A? I could just literally ask if they've read it. Otherwise, I tend to write long... I would explain at length why I think they should read it, but not if you think that defeats the point :-).
 
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