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3:00 PM
coz if it's just IP-based, you know how easy it is to get a new one for these purposes
 
@user1306322 there's no way to prove if the editor is someone who's not familiar with how SE works, or very familiar with how SE works, though
 
@user1306322 yeah, IP blocks go on the ha-proxy, which sits on the edge of the network
@Bart I know you hate those, that is why.
 
that said, there's also insta-ban filter on anonymous editor :)
 
meh it's IP based
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A: Is there some form of blocking in place for rejected suggested edits by anonymous users?

wafflesYes there is an IP level block in place as well. The logic is exactly the same as it is for registered users, except that the key is the IP Address.

 
so it's pretty abusable
 
3:06 PM
Yes but not different from spam.
 
SE always allows anonymous edits on all main sites :/
 
Guess that if it really becomes a problem (e.g. 100 crappy anonymous edits in day on MSE) we can ask to disable it.
 
I'm gonna assume you saw my message in chat and deleted your last comment
 
Who? What comment?
 
as the possibly offensive comment is gone, that will remain a mystery :p (room owners and mods can see tho)
 
3:12 PM
I've always thought that anonymous edits were a bad idea. Sure, they have to be accepted to become permanent, but still... Why trust someone to edit when we don't trust them to comment, or even chat?
 
meh
 
JAD
@PM2Ring they go through review first
 
@PM2Ring well, not on the main sites I don't think it's bad
 
JAD
so the possible harm it can do to begin with is rather small
 
@PM2Ring many times users with 2k rep want their edit to be reviewed first, so they post the edit as anonymous visitors. It's legit and not very rare.
 
3:14 PM
@PM2Ring or they can't even login.
 
All in all, on MSE, it's a good thing to have.
 
hmm... also, aren't suggested edits blocking each other? you can't suggest a new one if there's already one in place? can registered users overwrite pending suggested edits?
 
@JAD Can they insert images?
 
@user1306322 anyone can see the history of chat message though... but room owners don't have an ability to see deleted comments because they're not mods :/
 
@JAD Understood. Which is what I meant by "they have to be accepted to become permanent".
 
3:14 PM
if so, the harm can be huge.
 
@MetaAndrewT. oh right I'm dumb lol
I somehow thought I deleted it
 
@user1306322 kind of, with "full edit privilege" using "Improve Edit" or "Reject and Edit"
 
@Shadow you have so much rep why didn't you look at the history first lol
 
@MetaAndrewT. or edit conflict
 
I thought you were new here or something :D
 
3:16 PM
I ask about inserting images, because I clearly remember some trolling images, posted in Questions or answers (not inline iirc). - @JourneymanGeek can likely rememeber too
 
@user1306322 I'm lost, sorry... rep got nothing to do with seeing deleted comments.
 
it's not the kind of thing you easily forget :|
 
@Shadow no, but it means you're a long time user and I thought if you had a way to see the message history, you would
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW well, there was that case of @forest posting awful NSFW image by mistake too.
hmm... where's @forest??
 
renamed
 
3:17 PM
@Shadow I don't know about that, but wow.
 
Annoyingly, on the mobile site, the edit button disappears if there's a pending edit.
 
I would ask questions further, but now isn't the time, this isn't the place.
 
oh it's funny how users with matching names have their avatars grouped together when trying to @-mention them
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW yeah.... it was a shock image even for me
 
@Shadow so.... can a anon user do the same?
I don't see why not, if they can edit.
Which, especially with the current environment.... seems like a terrible idea.
 
3:20 PM
inline-inserting images is not allowed iirc, only urls?
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW I think the image won't onebox, so the reviewer will have to click the link to see the image.
 
Right. pretty sure that's what @JourneymanGeek and I dealt with before. Wasn't fun.
 
@user1306322 as far as I remember, inline images is 10 rep privilege
 
I do hope that doesn't start again
On another note, is there some help to be given right now, by looking at flags on meta?
Currently mulling over network changes at work and need something to ponder.
 
@Shadow That sounds right, the privileges page isn't specific, though. meta.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/new-user And if the question looks good, someone may edit an image URL into an inline image, so it doesn't exactly depend on the OP's rep.
Speaking of images...
 
3:27 PM
sniff sniff
 
@PM2Ring thanks, I really need to know my public IP
 
lol that's incorrect
 
Alli who?
 
First off, it's Alli what. And secondly... I didn't know they did internet ;)
 
@user1306322 Which bits did it get wrong?
 
3:30 PM
easier to point out the bytes :p
 
@PM2Ring woah. What did you paste? Is it created when I load the image or something?
 
@Tinkeringbell they do for themselves, probably... so if you browse at work or via work VPN you'll see them as your ISP. No? :)
 
@terdon the image is dynamically created on that server
 
@Shadow Maybe?
 
@Tink and if you didn't mean to expose where you work, better delete those messages.... :)
 
3:31 PM
Meh, it's just a client not my employer ;)
 
@MadScientist yeah, I figured, but I'm wondering what was pasted.
Ooooh!
 
The location sign can be wildly off because it just uses the registered location of who it thinks your ISP is.
 
pff no I'm not :D
 
selling all the info to Google
 
I've complained that allowing arbitrary images is a privacy issue repeatedly, but nobody listens to me anyway.
 
3:33 PM
@MadScientist welcome to the club! lol
 
Meh... I'm not on the internet for privacy anyway :P
 
@Tinkeringbell so give your real name, home address, and bank account number! :D
 
@Shadow David Smithers, 79 Long Lane, London. 13443117724451
 
Two of those are probably already on here... The third one I only give when needed ;)
 
:/
 
3:36 PM
@terdon It's just a good old-fashioned CGI program, but its filename ends with .jpg so it masquerades as an image file. See danasoft.com for details.
 
fun fact, posting any kind of address on many subreddits will get you banned due to anti-harassment rules, even if it's obiously a fake one like Firstname Lastname 000 Street Name, City 00000
they don't even want to think about having to do anything about it
 
@PM2Ring is that why websites always think I’m in Houston? (It says I’m in Houston)
 
ye my incorrect locale is always roughly the same too
they use the same IP range lookup address book or something
 
lol
 
looks like it hasn't changed in decades
 
3:39 PM
@Catija Probably. There are ways to get more accurate location info, but they're resource-intensive, and not necessarily more accurate.
 
maybe ISPs bought the big IP chunks early on and registered it in one country and then subdivided and sub-sold to others
I remember there was a popular meme to do on livejournal where you could post an embedded image link like livejournal dot com \avatar\current.jpg and it would display you your own avatar.
 
@PM2Ring am I the only person who actually saw my location in this image?
:laughing:
 
people posted them with titles like "look at this duuuude" and caused hilarity in responses
 
@user1306322 This troublemaker did that as well a bunch of times here on SE
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@ReinstateMonica Yes!
 
3:43 PM
@MadScientist truly a mad lad :D
 
@PM2Ring It confused me at first, I thought you might also work where I do
 
hah it's 3 now
 
@terdon soon to be KPN ...
 
@ReinstateMonica Don't worry, it confuses or alarms most people the first time they see one of those signs. ;) But whenever I post them I quickly explain that there's nothing to worry about. Well, not much to worry about. :) It should be obvious that any site you visit has to know your IP otherwise it couldn't serve stuff to you.
 
@user1306322 awesome, it's nice to see some representation! :-D
@PM2Ring it sure is a cool party trick X-D
 
3:53 PM
What might not be so obvious is that if a page contains an image hotlinked from another site, then the server serving that image also knows your IP.
@ReinstateMonica It was all the rage a couple of decades ago. :)
 
@ReinstateMonica yea but it's a bit difficult to reply to specific users in comments. Unlike chat where you can reply to messageIDs there's no such thing on main site comments
 
@PM2Ring there used to be a version which showed your hard drive folders as well. That one was spookier to me the first time I saw it.
 
I feel like "username says Reinstate Monica" is more convenient for discussion but I get the choice to completely omit the username
 
@user1306322 yeah, I didn't care much about the practicalities when I set the username, as much as I cared about the message. Once my month is up, I'll append my actual username
 
after all I also choose to not have a distinct name on most sites :p
 
3:56 PM
@PM2Ring in chat you could use this to figure out the IP of someone with some effort. This is different from SE having that information, as anyone in the room could collect it
 
It depends how I feel, I quite like just being anonymous, and being solely about the message
 
@ReinstateMonica oh if you want you can ask a fellow mod to alter your username instantly
but if not, it's also cool
 
@user1306322 oh, I wouldn't want to bother them, but thanks for the idea
 
@Bart It's the same trick that lets you browse your computer when you want to upload an image here with the Upload button.
 
just… making it clear that it's an option for the other 2 ReinstateMonicas :p
 
3:58 PM
@user1306322 of course, I didn't know mods could override that, so it's very useful to know
 
yea, I think it's usually used to edit offensive usernames/avatars, but can be used to fix accidental/bad edits
or during account merge fixes, etc
 
@user1306322 yeah, I guess it'd be easy to mess up, seeing as you only get 1 shot at it per month, and autocorrect is quite a prevalent thing X-D
 
isn't there a grace period where you can change it again within a very short period of time?
 
@user1306322 not only offensive, but also annoying like those zalgo...
 
@KevinB no idea, I've never felt the need to change it until recently, but that'd make sense
 
4:01 PM
wow that's a pretty creative name
 
"creative"
 
I mean it spells out a name just vertically
usually zalgo is random squigglies
this one's legible
 
@MadScientist I suppose it could be used as part of a social engineering ploy to trick someone into posting the info they see on the sign. But in my experience, people mostly just spontaneously mention the ISP name, and maybe the browser, never the IP.
 
hunter2
 
*******
 
4:06 PM
@Raedwald You get a begrudging chuckle from me
 
@PM2Ring I mean you could add an image from your own server in a chat room and collect all that data and then try to correlate it to the users in the room at that time. If there aren't too many users, and you can do this several times with different users present, you can likely assign IPs to specific users
 
@user1306322 unless a bunch of us have the same username, hahaha
 
some users have facebook avatars and they don't load for me
normally user avatars slide into the avatar compound on the top right of the chat room page, but those users have their entire username slide in like a king and just stay there as text
 
@MadScientist Ah, right. Yes, that would work.
 
Because you are running a blocker for privacy?
 
4:11 PM
yea but not for privacy, facebook specifically makes all pages hitch noticeably so I blocked it manually
just a ublock rule
 
@MadScientist once upon a time, SE made a "small error" and leaked the mail of a set of users that took part in a swag context. What fewer remember is that then someone who apparently though he was funny sent a fake spam mail to all those addresses.
 
"leaked"
lol
 
cc instead of bcc?
 
@user1306322 correct.
 
I've heard this one several times this year...
when will people add a delay to their email send options, especially with >10 recipients
 
4:13 PM
anyway, what even fewer know is that the fake email also contained a transparent beacon image - for added annoyance.
Back then, I reported that. I still wait for feedback.
 
actually this should be a default email client feature, not the user's assumed responsibility, like reminding about attachments if you types "attached" but didn't actually attach any files
 
Should come in 6-8 minutes now
(if this wasn't clear, I mean feedback about the beacon)
 
(no idea what the beacon thing is about but I've heard about "transparent tracking pixel" things)
 
@user1306322 those are also called "web beacon"
 
imagining a spooky spiderweb-covered beacon at the sea shining an ominous orange light over red waves...
 
4:21 PM
I thought of misspelled food but that is maybe because I'm hungry
 
🐷
 
yey another terrible audit
 
(how do I combine green color emoji modifier with a witch emoji and add angry face and a clock background to mean "green witch mean time")
 
are we already starting Halloween mode?
 
4:34 PM
that started months ago
 
Trick or Treat?
 
@user1306322 you mean like this (if it's even possible for all combination of emojis...)
 
I can't believe there isn't a traffic cone or green skin tone modifier emoji
cone-shaped hat would be preferable but a cone would work too, but you can't repaint it to black or purple either!
 
There's this cone: 📣
 
4:50 PM
No a mythical creature of Unicone :(
 
There is 🦄
 
@GeorgeStocker Unimportant, but, I think you've misread/misunderstood that - the point of fact is about whether the student blocked the other guy from leaving, not whether the student was blocked from leaving.
 
5:31 PM
@user1306322 I half-suspect that at least some of these edits are coming from one specific long-term-banned user
But yes, anonymous edits should otherwise be allowed. I spent an entire year proving that to SE.
 
5:55 PM
@MarkAmery Thanks.
 
 
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7:15 PM
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Q: I do not inherit reputation from SO on MSO

theTuxRacer Possible Duplicate: Shouldn't my Meta Stack Overflow and Stack Overflow reputations be the same? I have a rep of 139 (at the time of writing) on SO. Reading the blog, it says that These sites will have a shared reputation system, so you “inherit” your reputation entirely from the p...

many Q/As such as the above are marked as the duplicate of the following question:
> Shouldn't my Meta Stack Overflow and Stack Overflow reputations be the same?
> https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66939/shouldnt-my-meta-stack-overflow-and-stack-overflow-reputations-be-the-same
 
Yes...?
 
which is deleted. Why was it deleted? Is there a better Duplicate of that question?
 
That's a question that was asked before the mso/mse split
it probably should have stayed on mso
 
This is a meta topic about Meta, because I can't see deleted topics on Meta
 
Laf
I think it should be deleted, it is not applicable anymore.
 
7:18 PM
mso and so rep is shared, mse and so rep is not shared
 
I think there should be a source of truth for "should MSE share your rep from any other SE sites?"
does that exist currently?
 
eh
"should" isn't asking for truth
it's asking for opinion
 
does then
 
why does that need to exist though?
i mean.
you can just look
 
"I can just look"? I was looking for the answer. They all point to a deleted post that I cannot see due to the very question I am asking. meta
 
7:20 PM
but like, you have a thing at the top of the page that shows you your rep right?
 
I mean, not really. I follow a link and it says 404, despite having a nice Title and Preview on the page I linked from.
there's nothing that says "this 404 can be seen by 10k rep users"
and also nothing that says "MetaSE does not share rep from other SE, like most Metas". The Q/A that does say that is Deleted.
 
and... at the top of that 404'd page... there's a section that says you have X rep... which presumably isn't the same amount of rep you have anywhere else
right?
 
but that question is still in use as the duplicate on multiple other Q/As. I don't understand why it was deleted.
 
That’s an argument to update the duplicate questions... not to undelete a question that’s been deleted for five years.
 
why was it deleted?
 
7:27 PM
@Catija if I only could edit the dupe list .. which I can't as it is "old" dupe closed ...
 
XD
 
@pkamb because the SO/MSO relationship changed.
 
@pkamb no clue. It’s closed as a duplicate itself... of this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/91333/…
 
lol, I cannot see that one either. 404. Deleted?
 
Which was also deleted in 2014.
 
7:29 PM
why was that one deleted?
 
They can probably all be deleted along the chain.
 
Probably. They’re all no longer accurate so they’re just confusing
 
I will probably ask a new Question then
 
What is the question you want to ask?
 
@pkamb Why would you ask why SO and MSO rep are separate? They’re not.
 
7:31 PM
Because those links refer to an old situation which no longer exists.
 
"Should/Does an account's MSE reputation match their rep on other sites?" - or reworded when I write it
 
@pkamb that’s definitely on MSE already
 
every link I find is deleted...
 
It gets asked at least once a quarter.
 
@pkamb MSE is an entirely separate site with its own reputation. It's not linked to reputation or privileges on any other site.
 
7:33 PM
that's what I've discovered... I'd like to find that statement in the Q/A format on a page on MetaSE
 
see this or this or tons of posts like it.
 
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Q: How does Meta Stack Exchange work?

PopsMeta Stack Exchange seems to have different rules and user behavior than the "regular" Stack Exchange sites. How is it different? Individual questions answered below: What do votes mean on Meta? Why was my well-written post downvoted? When should posts on Meta be set to community wiki? Why ...

 
@MadScientist wow I was getting all keyboard warrior on your case here
"MUH AVATAR IS ALRIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH"
 
I’d guess that they get deleted a lot because they tend to attract tons of downvoting from people who like things the way they are. MSE rep is supposed to represent expertise in how the network works. If we just pooled all the rep from around the network that’d be lost. It’d be impossible to allocate privileges based on MSE expertise. Heck, some people have more MSE rep than anything else.
 
this is seemingly weird topic due to the MSO>MSE split, as well as discussions that predated siteMeta having the same reputation as Site. Lots of Dupes are duping the wrong nuance of the question being asked.
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Q: How does Meta Stack Exchange work?

PopsMeta Stack Exchange seems to have different rules and user behavior than the "regular" Stack Exchange sites. How is it different? Individual questions answered below: What do votes mean on Meta? Why was my well-written post downvoted? When should posts on Meta be set to community wiki? Why ...

even there, there's no mention of Reputation
 
7:41 PM
@Catija is that a bad thing, having more MSE rep than anything else?
asking for a friend ....
 
Considering I’m one of them...
 
@rene yes, those people should be ashamed of themselves.
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How am I supposed to get to 100k if I can’t do it here????
 
Does that mean that SOinc temporarily forgot how the network works? :D
 
It's not great IMO that high-rep SO and SOmeta users can't see, for example, Deleted posts on MetaSE. Seems like network-wide Meta might be a good place to "give you the rep of your highest-rep site" or something.
(I don't want to complain about this in chat, I want to read about it in Q/A. But I can't find anything due to the mentioned closing/deleting.)
 
7:45 PM
that's unfair though
because it would give SO users a massive advantage over users of every other site
 
not just SO. "privilege on any Site = same privileged on MetaSE"
similar to how Site rep applies to SiteMeta Rep
SiteMeta rep apply to NetworkMeta rep
 
Right, and there's far more rep flowing around on SO than anywhere else.
 
are privilege amounts the same on every site? That's another discussion I guess.
 
some differ slightly iirc
but i can't think of any examples off hand
 
@KevinB only in betas?
 
7:50 PM
@KevinB for example, Create New Tags is 1500 rep on SO, and much lower elsewhere
 
REALLY wish there was an "association bonus" for high rep users. To do things like see deleted posts, etc. Remove whatever privileges you really think should be single-site, I guess.
 
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A: What privilege should 30k users get?

Kevin BTrusted on meta.stackexchange.com +1000 rep on meta.stackexhange.com Users who have 30k+ reputation on a particular site surely know enough about the stackoverflow system to fully participate on meta.stackexhange.com, why not carry over some of their rep, say, 1k over to meta.stackexchange.com?...

 
love it
 
@rene I do think it's a bad thing when taken to extremes. I've seen at least one account that essentially only has rep on MSE. That, to me, suggests someone who isn't actually active on the network and yet has enough weight on meta regardless. Nothing wrong with MSE being your top site if you also use the "real" SE sites.
 
or someone who has their accounts separated
or deleted
etc
 

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