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1:00 PM

You can't change all of the people all of the time, but you can change some of the people some of the time?

user194636

People want to change. They don't want to be changed.

user310756

@Raedwald hey have a read of this comment thread meta.stackexchange.com/a/335787/310756 it will amuse you in the context of Kate's answer - which is superb!

OrangeDog

That's another problem with the strategy of decide, implement, tell the community

user310756

@ArthurHavlicek not everyone

user310756

haha I had a boyfriend tell me to "suck it up" ... he would invite me over, I didn't go.

user310756

1:03 PM

from Kate's answer

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb Awwwwwww

user310756

@Pëkka she is a special horse. People who meet her comment on her. She has an amazing nature!

Pëkka

Beautiful. It's embarrassing but to be honest I had no idea they have any fur the moment they are born!

user310756

@Pëkka that's her peeping from behind mum (it's 11 seconds)

OrangeDog

what is this "Kate's answer"?

user310756

1:05 PM

@Pëkka yep! and their hooves have these funny protective things on them, like flower petals, but they fall off quickly

user310756

so they don't hurt mum while in the womb

Pëkka

How cool. Had no idea

user310756

@OrangeDog ask me respectfully and I'll tell you ;)

Arthur Havlicek

@YvetteColomb The length of comments threads here is absolutely disturbing.

OrangeDog

@YvetteColomb assume good faith and I already did

user310756

1:06 PM

@ArthurHavlicek and there's a fine line between me being assertive and then being labeled aggressive or off my head

user310756

@Pëkka they're amazing creatures! I have quite a few horses I could not touch when I got them. They now love me and follow me around. And I forget that other people cannot touch them.

Arthur Havlicek

@YvetteColomb I had trouble with an answer I deleted since where I clumsily attempted to explain that what people expect to be "normal" can be transphobic. So I know the dangers of that thin line

user310756

@ArthurHavlicek yep

user310756

@Pëkka have you got 5 minutes?

user310756

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A: We need "assume good intent" back in the Code of Conduct

Recently I was at a talk where the speaker, who was confident and funny, made a tiny little aside, just a few words long, that suggested, well let's say it was members of a particular profession or people who used a particular programming language or people who lived in a particular place, were s...

StephanS

1:11 PM

@YvetteColomb I find it really cool how so many experts on SO own farms, horses, or large greenhouses, It breaks the stereotype that programmers are trapped at a desk all-day

I remember rlemon give me advice on the best ways to build a greenhouse it was pretty cool

user310756

@StephanS I think a lot of programmer types have other interests. Musicians is one. We tend to have inquisitive brains. imo

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb I do!

user310756

a computer is not the most "healthy" thing to related to day in and day out - we need another outlet

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb Amen to that!

user310756

@Pëkka excellent. I want to show you 2 videos - not to watch the whole thing, but to show you something

Pëkka

1:13 PM

OK

user310756

I got this brumby and she was petrified

user310756

I got people to break her in and that made her worse - the guy hit her

user310756

it was bad. She came back a nervous wreck. I'll show you

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb 😡

@YvetteColomb Yes please!

user310756

this was her at the place before she left - she was in this yard for 8 weeks!

user310756

1:15 PM

4 weeks in and becoming more miserable

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Pëkka

Right!

user310756

this is her the first day I got her back from the trainers - you can see how scared she is

user310756

Halo returned from the trainers - apparently green broken and handled Not!

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StephanS

@YvetteColomb I think I remember Jeff saying something along the lines that if you spend too much time around the computer you'll become like it, cruel and unforgiving

user310756

this is 5 weeks later. the other day

user310756

1:16 PM

Hanging out with Halo the brumby. No need to use feed to catch her. She freely comes up to me.

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Sébastien Renauld

Do we really have to bring geopolitics into everything?

user310756

if you skip through to this youtu.be/cwTKrYpYCi0?t=383 you can see her without anything around her neck

user310756

@StephanS :D

user310756

@Pëkka this horse had the same halter on for over a year! it was scaring her face! I had to cut it off. She loves me now and I love her. <3

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb ❤️❤️❤️

So visibly at ease!

Beautiful

user310756

1:19 PM

Isn't she?

user310756

can you see the transformation?

user310756

It's what gives my life meaning (outside of my children)

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb even I can, and I am not very good at reading horses!

@YvetteColomb That is so cool

user310756

@OrangeDog can you not come in here to criticise me? It's not on ok?

OrangeDog

exactly

user310756

1:20 PM

If you don't like me or have criticism of me, that's fine, I don't want to know

rene

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

user310756

@rene thank you!

rene

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

Pëkka

My youngest brother has a horse farm. (Or rather he's renting one and fighting to get to buy it.) You two would get along well, a similar attitude towards horses, I think

user310756

oh what sort of horses does he have and how many?

user310756

1:21 PM

yes we would. Where does he live?

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb he's in southern Germany, his girlfrield and he run the place. Re what sort of horses, I'm afraid the only answer I can give with my level of sophistication is... they're horses... some are big and some small 😄 and I think I saw some ponies 😄 I'll ask him next time I see him. It's a HUGE farm, I think they've got like 40, many are owned by other people and they pay for their food, lodging, etc.

Journeyman Geek

@Pëkka 4 legs, long face? ;p

Shadow

No horn? :(

Magisch

@Pëkka which city? I'm in southern germany

Andras Deak

shelties are the best

no offense to less funny-looking horses :P

Shadow

1:28 PM

Anyway, it's really sad that Jaydles left SE, his answers are just... awesome.

Pëkka

@YvetteColomb He hates people who abuse their horses for profit which is not always good for business... but the only way to do it & sleep at night I'm sure

@JourneymanGeek yeah! I used to ride as a kid but was thrown off and kicked by one once and I think that was that

Journeyman Geek

A horse bit me once. A pony actually

Pëkka

@Shadow not as far as I've seen so far!

Journeyman Geek

I don't get no respect from fellow herbivoires.

Shadow

@Pëkka too bad :P

Pëkka

1:29 PM

@Magisch Haigerloch, near Balingen

Magisch

ah

Sklivvz

> I wouldn't say that it's difficult to avoid using gender-specific pronouns, but it does require conscious effort. Interestingly, I find that I write better when I'm consciously trying to avoid them than I would otherwise, most likely because I'm paying sentence structure and communicating my ideas an equal amount of attention.

https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/262146/7028

OrangeDog

As I still haven't managed to work it out, how do you do the quote formatting here?

Sklivvz

\>

Shadow

@OrangeDog same as in posts

Sklivvz

1:32 PM

greater than and space

Shadow

> quote here

OrangeDog

> really? I'm sure I've tried that before

Shadow

lol

>Maybe without space, you tried

rene

not all greater than's are equal

Sklivvz

click on help on the right (next to faq) for a cheatsheet

Shadow

1:33 PM

Hey don't cheat

:D

Journeyman Geek

I use it all the time ;p

The dialects of markdown are hardly consistant ;p

Shadow

~~true~~

OrangeDog

well i.imgur.com/paqtWcJ.jpg

Sklivvz

Imagine how much fun is to have N markdown processors in the same codebase...

rene

@Sklivvz I did stumble on that answer y'day as well ....

PM 2Ring

1:35 PM

The Dialects of Markdown would be a great name for an album.

Journeyman Geek

@Sklivvz "fun"

I was kinda hoping for commonmark everywhere ;p

rene

@PM2Ring is it hardcore?

PM 2Ring

@rene Ambient electronica

rene

ug

Sklivvz

@JourneymanGeek when you have 30m posts to possibly corrupt, changing to a new standard is not easy

Journeyman Geek

1:36 PM

@Sklivvz So... ship it on a friday?

@Sklivvz never said it would be easy. Felt it would be awesome

Else I'd have asked for it as a feature properlike ;p

Raedwald

The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from.

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PM 2Ring

I'm more into blues, jazz, and 70s rock. But I know a good album title when I see it. ;)

rene

Schlagers

OrangeDog

@Sklivvz it doesn't have blockquotes

Pëkka

@JourneymanGeek Oh no!

Journeyman Geek

1:39 PM

@Pëkka I've been chased around by a giant turkey, had a squirrel play chicken...

On the other hand. Dogs... no issues.

Pëkka

@JourneymanGeek Ha! Weird.

Journeyman Geek

Cows are ok

But that was probably the chillest giant bull in the world

Pëkka

@JourneymanGeek lol

Autar

@JourneymanGeek How big was the giant turkey? And did it taste good? :D

Journeyman Geek

@Autar No idea

I suspect he might have broken the knife

and he was the size of a small car

Magisch

1:41 PM

our small office dog got chased by someone's cat

poor fella was trying to make a friend

Shadow

@Magisch small office or small dog? ;)

Journeyman Geek

Or she. I have no idea how to sex a turkey

PM 2Ring

@JourneymanGeek Bulls are not chill. But bullocks are.

Shadow

> Male turkeys have brightly colored heads with no feathers, while females have a few feathers and are dully colored and better camouflaged in the wild. All turkeys have a fleshy appendage called a snood or dew bill which hangs from the beak. A male's snood is much larger and plumper in appearance than a female's

Journeyman Geek

ok, male turkey

OrangeDog

1:43 PM

@JourneymanGeek sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X16302255

user310756

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Q: I'm back and active on the site

Just a note to let people know I've returned from my sabbatical. Albeit, early, due to the state of flux (actual tidal waves) on the site. This seems to be an odd post? Yes indeed is it. Amidst all the moderator resignations on this site 1, 2, 3 and the network, I thought it might be nice to ann...

rene

that one-box ....

Magisch

oneboxes make the flower sad...

Stormblessed

@rene ?

user310756

@Pëkka please find out, I'm sure they're beautiful - horses in Germany.. I'd love to see pics.

user310756

1:45 PM

@rene yeh soz. I wanted to make a point. I'm getting too much unsolicited advice to take a break and it's not showing any signs of ermm waning . :D

user310756

@Stormblessed I've probably depressed him. I'm his arch nemesis from way back when ;) jks

rene

@YvetteColomb don't make me make a point, please. It might involve a stick I have to borrow from the man with the Glasses

user310756

@rene hang on - which man with glasses? @Bart? He has a stick?

rene

A smiting one

user310756

who?

rene

1:49 PM

He?

user310756

who is He?

user310756

Cody?

rene

He is Dutch

Mgetz

Yet another comment written... and deleted before posting rather than risk someone misunderstanding

rene

@Mgetz good

user310756

1:50 PM

@rene Martijn? Cerbrus? Tim C?

Mgetz

@rene not good, I struggle enough with communication. Now I'm completely silenced

Honestly telling me that's 'good' really hurts

it's telling me to not even try

rene

@YvetteColomb yes

user310756

@Mgetz what happened?

user310756

@rene one of those?

user310756

which one has glasses

user310756

1:51 PM

Cerbrus doens't wear them when he rides horses. I haven't seen pics of him not riding horses

OrangeDog

@Mgetz that has been official policy for at least a year

user310756

you mean Martijn?

rene

@Mgetz it is not meant to hurt you, it was meant to complement you for being aware of what you are going to post.

Mgetz

@YvetteColomb Was trying to share why someone's perspective while laudable and I do in principle agree paralyzes me.

Cerbrus

I don't have glasses

Journeyman Geek

1:52 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335812/… needs delvotes

Cerbrus

Well, sunglasses I do

Mgetz

@rene The problem is I'm not, so I act overly conservatively rather than take any risk

user310756

@rene that's how I read it

user310756

@Cerbrus I can't stay mad at you. We fight like cat and dog, but you're my friend. Annoying that you are :P (I know I annoy you too!)

user310756

@Mgetz that's not a bad thing you know

rene

1:53 PM

@Mgetz I've changed my commenting habits as well and morel likely to delete / not post rather then to wait for any fall out

I do tend to be rude/direct now and then

Cerbrus

Yvette, please don't pretend we're friends. The way you go at me when we disagree is not what "friends" is.

Magisch

@Mgetz we're all in triple second guessing twilight zone right now, it's a weird time

user310756

@Cerbrus ok, no worries

Mgetz

@Magisch no I was in it before, now it's "I'd love to even consider commenting but I'd best not"

Cerbrus

It doesn't just take a toll on you.

Meh.

Magisch

1:55 PM

:(

user310756

I know this Cerbrus. and I don't know how to fix it.

Cerbrus

If your first instinctual reaction is: "OMFG cerbrus is on my case again!", refrain from responding.

Shadow

puts a wall between @Yve and @Cerbrus (huh?? Well, one of them)

rene

@Mgetz Is English your 1st language?

Mgetz

yes

rene

1:57 PM

At least you don't have to struggle with that part then :/

Mgetz

I'm not diagnosed by I tick all the boxes of Autistic, so it's probably safer to say that I really don't have a first language I struggle with all of them

To me english can be like trying to handle a teflon ball coated in okra slime

Shadow

?

Cerbrus

okra slime? Should I google that?

rene

@Mgetz that paints a picture for me.

Shadow

You mean you find it hard to find proper words? @Mgetz

Mgetz

2:01 PM

@Cerbrus it should be safe it's just a vegetable.

@Shadow always

Shadow

:/

PM 2Ring

A rather slimy vegetable. A member of the cotton family.

Shadow

You doing awesome job then because I always see you posting proper words. Kudos! @Mgetz :)

Cerbrus

That... doesn't look edible

Shadow

@Cerbrus well someone ate actual sock once.

Or a hat? Let me see....

rene

2:02 PM

@Mgetz worth keeping in mind that the topic isn't easy as well. And in text-only emotions and intent don't communicate easy, if at all.

Mgetz

@Cerbrus it's central to west african cuisine and thus southern american

Shadow

Sock it was: reddit.com/r/self/comments/4pmaj3/…

Cerbrus

I've never heard of it before :P

Mgetz

Shadow

waffles

OrangeDog

2:04 PM

@Mgetz big in India (where it's called bhindi)

Emilie

@Mgetz Looks like okra?

Shadow

Looks very spicy

Magisch

I can smell the capsaicin in this

Mgetz

5 mins ago, by Mgetz

To me english can be like trying to handle a teflon ball coated in okra slime

PM 2Ring

I'm sure that it's possible to prepare appealing dishes that use okra. But I've yet to encounter one. I guess it's nutritious. It certainly contains the recommended daily allowance of slime. ;)

Shog9

2:07 PM

Mmm... Teflon gumbo

Emilie

@Mgetz Yea I scrolled up after typing, I only saw bhindi :)

PM 2Ring

Mind you, I don't object to slimy food on principle. Eg, I love fried eggplant, and that can get pretty slimy.

Mgetz

@PM2Ring The cheating way is to fry it, or use it in gumbo where the slime acts in place of cornstarch to thinken

@Shog9 it's getting to be the season where a good gumbo sounds nice

PM 2Ring

@Mgetz I've mostly had okra fried. I guess it probably needed a higher temperature. But yeah, I imagine it'd work in a gumbo.

Shog9

When is gumbo not nice?

Magisch

2:10 PM

when it gets thrown at you with considerable force

Cerbrus

When you're asleep and someone dumps a bucket full of it over you.

Shog9

When it insults your mamma

I'm kidding of course

Gumbo is an exemplary member of the site, and always nice

Magisch

you are an infinite source of random humor :)

Catija

When does gumbo not have okra. :P

Pickled okra is also delicious.

Emilie

@Catija Probably when it's from Canada :)

I was in Texas for a bit years ago, had some Canadian cheese soup and had never heard of that in my entire life x)

Mgetz

2:14 PM

@Catija I don't think it can technically be gumbo without okra, the same way that 'chicken fajitas' aren't actually fajitas.

Arthur Havlicek

@Mgetz My life has been a lie

Mgetz

@ArthurHavlicek why?

PM 2Ring

All this talk of okra nicely complements the southern blues music I'm currently listening to.

Shog9

@Emilie I think the Canucks call it "poutine"

Arthur Havlicek

@Mgetz Always thought fajitas with chicken. Isn't the beef version burritos ?

Im so noob on food

Emilie

2:16 PM

@Shog9 Hahaha! No not the same :)

Catija

@Emilie HAHAHA. There's a few places here now trying to do poutine and ... I don't know that they're doing it right.

Emilie

French fries with gravy and cheese curds

Mgetz

@ArthurHavlicek no fajita is the term for flank steak

OrangeDog

fajita is literally a cut of steak

Magisch

@Catija we have a restaurant attempting it here

it doesn't taste good at all

kebab boxes are more common

Shog9

2:16 PM

Beer cheese soup is another one that The South can't seem to get right

Emilie

Poutine done right

Shog9

French fry stew

Emilie

Great way to curb a hangover

Catija

@ArthurHavlicek I mean... most restaurants here (in Texas) will use all sorts of meat but the default is some sort of beef... skirt steak was popular for a while. But I've seen chicken, shrimp, veggie...

OrangeDog

obviously the dish fajita that involves a tortilla is something else

user58

2:17 PM

Y'all are making me hungry and I'm stuck here eating rice cakes. :(

Emilie

@user58 Dip them in chocolate!

Shog9

I like rice cakes

Emilie

oh wait, it's 10am

bah who cares

Shog9

They're good crumbled in a bowl with milk and cream

Catija

I mean... when someone says "fajitas" in reference to a restaurant, my immediate thought is a skillet carried hot and sizzling through the restaurant to your table and accompanied with rice, beans, tortillas, lettuce, tomatoes, cheese, sour cream and guac.

Mgetz

2:19 PM

@Emilie technically chili cheese fries is a poutine of sorts, but I doubt you'd ever convince that to either party

OrangeDog

@Catija that is what fajitas are, but that is not the original meaning of fajita

HDE 226868

@Catija . . . Dang. I need one of those right now.

OrangeDog

If we're going to start on food being called the wrong thing, scampi

Mgetz

@Catija Just like Sushi means different things in the US and Japan. In the US it refers to the type of meal, in japan it's the rice

Catija

"Shrimp scampi" is one of my favorite redundancies.

Emilie

2:21 PM

@Mgetz Oh that's a thing here also, you can buy frozen poutine "bites", which is sort of like fried balls of hash browns stuffed with cheese and gravy

John Dvorak

fajitas are just small fajas, aren't they?

Arthur Havlicek

@Catija I have heard ever fajitas refering this static.cuisineaz.com/400x320/…

OrangeDog

@Mgetz the majority probably understand sushi as "raw fish", though that is changing over to "Japanese tapas"

Mgetz

@OrangeDog I can't speak for the majority

only me

OrangeDog

well, you spoke for everyone, not just the majority

Catija

2:22 PM

@ArthurHavlicek There you go... so it's a... do it yourself thing... You get the meat and tortillas and other fillings and you assemble the tacos yourself.

Raedwald

sushi != sashimi

OrangeDog

oh no, a football landed in the rice :p

*handegg