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Journeyman Geek

12:17 AM

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That's odd spam lol

(I've had a Google voice account from the grand Central days)

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Interesting...

Journeyman Geek

Funny thing is I actually have no use for it for now

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Journeyman Geek

1:33 AM

._.

I know people hate it when people complain about downvotes...

but someone just upvoted a 1) winterbash specific post 2) involving an obscure, unsupported obsolete browser, and I'm wondering ~~what Tim Post lost this time~~ who and how it helped.

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@SomethingBadHappened Please stop leaving offensive comments towards me.

Journeyman Geek

hm?

@SonictheInclusiveWerehog I might have missed that - and amazingly enough, its something we need to deal with

got a link?

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Already flagged it, it was 1-flag deletable.

Journeyman Geek

Its ok. Where's it?

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

-3

Q: How to use Stack Exchange without letting Google track me through its reCAPTCHA?

Sometimes Stack Exchange thinks I'm a robot and it asks me to do some reCAPTCHA but the reCAPTCHA doesn't load and I get this in my logs: The resource at “https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js?onload=onloadCallback&render=explicit&hl=en” was blocked because tracking protection is enabled. Wh...

discussion support captcha tracking

Journeyman Geek

1:44 AM

1. you really don't want to confront people on chat

No matter how annoying they are

I'm pretty close to tearing a few people's heads off, but its not worth it

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

I figured because of the user's prior track record it can be amicably resolved through discussion

Journeyman Geek

erm

From both your track records? erm.. please drop it.

And its never a good idea to drag an arguement in from one place to somewhere else

2:32 AM

morning call...

2:51 AM

I... I just learnt something from Normal Human... ;_;

Something Bad Happened

@JourneymanGeek grand central was international but google voice is still US-only and I’m sad

I had my old Canadian number grandfathered in from the grand central import but eventually changed it and am out of luck.

Journeyman Geek

I hve a US number

The app's region locked and tunnelbear dosen't work for that

So it basically collects misdials and robocalls ;)

(I'm sure with a more obscure VPN this would work buuut)

3:20 AM

I thought the result day will overlap another election, but apparently I was wrong, so latest SEEN again: Congrats to DJMcMayhem for joining the mod teams on Vi.SE, and thanks to John O'M~

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Journeyman Geek

6:06 AM

→ 15 messages moved to Chimney

6:57 AM

trying to log into the comment classifier gives me an error

at home it works

Just don't do it ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I thought that project was ending soon?

Got an email inviting me to rate some comments yesterday

Journeyman Geek

ah

odd

mhm

7:11 AM

Huh. I thought it had ended already.

It's been going for over a month already, no?

Journeyman Geek

Ya

7:35 AM

ah well, gonna continue at home then

8:16 AM

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8:46 AM

tavern's quiet today

@Magisch I heard of many domains though...

Journeyman Geek

Seems to be

I'm making some coffee

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A: Please host the Stack Overflow Comment Evaluator 5000™ under Stack Overflow domain

Thanks for the report, empty. This e-mail is from us and we are in control of the URL you posted. You're right, we should've taken a bit more care here. Unfortunately the deed's done on this cohort of participants. We'll do better on the next group in two weeks. Sad Update (2018-09-25): Unfor...

periodic-baseball.glitch.me, actually-voyage.glitch.me, false-mammal.glitch.me ...

Login doesn't seem to work for me from my work pc

just from home

9:03 AM

@Somewhat you can change that in glitch nowadays. Not so in its early stages. For example I've changed it for my chatbot control site: mse-so-se-chatbot.glitch.me

9:58 AM

@rene gimme

I could use some too...

\o/

Oh, give one to @Tinkeringbell if you want

Hey, why does he get two?

@Tinkeringbell can have the Espresso

10:06 AM

That should wake me up :)

Because Dutch ... wait ...

:D

'Koekje d'rbij?'

stroopwafel, yes

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell GOOD MORNING!

@JourneymanGeek AAAAAH! NO SHOUTING!

Journeyman Geek

10:08 AM

BUT BARKING IS TRADITIONAL WAKE UP!

but thanks. That works too, I guess.

Journeyman Geek

(actually the wet nose is... )

@JourneymanGeek I know... Our neighbours had dogs, kept them in kennels outside. The barking would wake me up

@Tinkeringbell there were 2

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell ash would do a bed-side bounce ;p

and wet nose to the foot.

10:09 AM

Right now, I'm missing the rooster in the mornings though. So everytime my alarm goes off I'm still fast asleep instead of slightly dozing....

@rene Ahhh. Sneaky

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell our local roosters crow all the time tho

(jungle fowl, not chickens. Jungle fowl are protected ;) )

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

A chicken once snuck into our bag of snacks during a trip in India. I was wondering why the bag had gotten so heavy, then when I lifted it the chicken immediately jumped out

@JourneymanGeek Well, over here it's generally frowned upon to have a rooster in an urban area due to noise. Our neighbours and my parents complained to the municipality, and now they have to lock the rooster up at night ... so you won't hear him anymore in the mornings

I miss it though.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell funny story that...

they're wild roosters here

I liked waking up to the rooster more than my alarm :)

Journeyman Geek

10:12 AM

Well ferel roosters

@JourneymanGeek feral? As in, they were once domesticated but no-one is caring for them any more?

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@Tinkeringbell How about waking up to an audio recording of roosters?

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I know 2 of them used to belong to a temple

@SonictheInclusiveWerehog Not the same ;)

Journeyman Geek

I donno where the other rooster came from

10:13 AM

@JourneymanGeek "A wild rooster appeared"

sometimes, stuff happens :P

10:35 AM

@Tinkeringbell wouldn't work here. I live across the street from 2 farms

also word to the wise. Don't ever try to dislocate a chicken

chicken go where they please and don't take kindly to interruptions

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch One sits on a tree.

With god as my witness. I had no idea chickens could fly

chicken can be vicious

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

Remember this guy?

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Q: What is.... the Chicken? 🐔

Update: Continue to 🐔 The Quest for the Winter Chicken of the Bash, Part 2 Clues will be updated here too So, we just noticed a new, fowl user on the tavern I think he called us chicken. Or called itself a chicken. Or something poultry like that. And interestingly it's a system...

support chat fun winter-bash-2017

10:54 AM

@SonictheInclusiveWerehog a few minutes later that one is also now blacklisted

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch they're... Evolved raptors

11:26 AM

@Magisch Depends on the breed of chicken. Some are very take and cuddly

Hi

Hello

So what do we have to do to get multiline markdown in chat?

I know it's because "multiline messages are probably pasted from somewhere" but that just doesnt cut it when there's ctrl+k for that.

What do you mean by that? Multiline code markdown?

Yes, so

*this*

would be in italics.

11:31 AM

Maybe
this is
multiline
code

Sorry not code, jsut multiline

*this*
*is sparta*

request it

huh, curious

This
is
multiline
And **this** isn't bold

11:33 AM

_this_
_is sparta_

nope that's not it either

There is no markdown for multiline messages. Official answer is because multiline stuff is pasted from somewhere and therefore shouldnt be formatted, and also mulitline markdown would make it easier for trolls to troll.

Well you could

just break your markdown down

into a couple chat messages

Not for messages I write for some time, since other people might then write in between my messages.

@Magisch markdown just doesn't work in multiline posts. the exception is a code indent or a quote (>) at the start of the message since it affects the whole message.

but the way to get that is request it.

yah

11:39 AM

Do I just "Ask a question" on meta? Do I put [Request] in front?

uservoice.com?

github issue?

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@Magisch There's nothing stopping people from

@Squirrelkiller Post it to meta.stackexchange.com tagged feature-request chat

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

posting in the middle

@Squirrelkiller Clearly explain that you're aware of the prior declined request and you're making a request to change the design, or else it might simply be closed as a duplicate.

Title of something like "Enable markdown in multiline messages", elaborate in the body, avoid faux pas like being mad or attacking devs (they have a lot to do, and chat is not high on the priority list yet and markdown in multiline messages is not high on the chat priority list)

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

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Q: Markdown in chat fails for multi-line messages

We've come to rename Markdown to Letdown in the C++ chat room because it lets you down so often. I've now just found a pattern. It seems markdown fails for multi-line messages. That is, this Letdown can't cope with multi-line comments. Let's see code? fails to display code marked as co...

bug status-bydesign markdown chat

11:43 AM

@SonictheInclusiveWerehog in that context, address the reasons why it was declined so as to justify requesting it anew (if the exact same reasons apply in every way, the post will be a duplicate)

Journeyman Geek

@Squirrelkiller uservoice hasn't been a thing from before I was a newbie.

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@doppelgreener "This was previously filed as a bug report, but that was dismissed as by design because [x]. However, I believe that the design should be changed because [y]. This is not a duplicate because this is a feature request to change the design."

Journeyman Geek

We call it ghetto standard markdown ;)

@Squirrelkiller
Actually
Its
Possible

(hit shift enter to go to a new line), then enter to go it

I know how to do muline
messages, but how to make
**this**
bold?

Journeyman Geek

ohhhh

11:46 AM

Thanks for the input guys, will make a feature request.

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

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   \\\.    MM M        ~~. __                    .~~~~~
     \\\``` M M         ..MMM                    M       M.
       M.MMM   M . M         M         ----.   .M         M
     ~.-   .M  M MM .MM  . MMM    MM.        M.M . M   M  M
       MM  MM   MM .M .   M M MM              M .M.  M.  M
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Did oyu jsut copy the unicorn from that one answer

Journeyman Geek

Yup

If this gets overdone, I shalt be annoyed. And We Unamused.

Just ctrl+k it then

Cuz with ctrl+k you can also make **this** non-markdowned

That was fast

Journeyman Geek

Oh Smoke Detector is a really effective second line of defence against spam ;)

11:51 AM

Or does SmokeDetector only report removed posts?

Journeyman Geek

naw, it reports posts as they happen

there's also a team of folks who have a auto flagging thing set up

Erik von Asmuth

Quick question: most popular no longer works for me under the custom question list (I believe it previously did). Should I post that as a new question, or as an answer under the available for testing post?

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@ErikvonAsmuth Generally an answer will get a quicker response

Erik von Asmuth

12:07 PM

Thanks, I'll do that

:(

🐔

@Squirrelkiller SmokeDetector forwarded the not-yet-deleted posts to here after 5 minutes

so the post might have already pending spam flags

or... the deletion watcher borked again

Sonic the Inclusive Werehog

@Somewhat Or race condition

🥚

Journeyman Geek

12:23 PM

@Somewhat I'm hearing SD is currenting having some issues

well metasmoke

12:42 PM

Joel changed his other company name

Fog Creek Software is now Glitch https://medium.com/glitch/fog-creek-is-now-glitch-5a57dab604e3 -- after 18 years, it's time to move forward!

Tweeted by spolsky on September 26, 2018 at 12:23 PM

Never heard of Glitch before. Sounds like github with a search feature.

Ah, I was wondering if I was the only one who never heard of Glitch.

@Bart No, it's just a glitch ;)

Erik von Asmuth

That does explain all those glitch.me links for the comment evaluator

12:49 PM

@Bart Why did I even click that ...

:D

Looks like a Shadertoy for general apps. But man that site design looks like some 90s fiasco.

Journeyman Geek

I've vaguely heard of glitch ;p

Not sure what it does but I ain't a dev

Here's a good idea by shog: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/368875/…

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch ooh!

1:08 PM

That's the result after going into Mountain of Wisdom

1:24 PM

@Magisch what about it do you like?

It seems like it'd solve 4 problems in 1 system

A substantial amount of what makes people unwelcome is that they feel like they're being dismissed unjustly and that they feel bullied by the system inherent dogpiling (you need at least 5 people to judge you wanting before anything is done)

With this, you get 1 comment explicitly saying what you need to do and only 1. And it saves questions from getting downvoted more then necessary (like to -9 or something that feels really bad for new users)

also provides a clear path to recovery, and it gives established contributors more tools to accomplish things quickly

And it reduces frustration of established contributors by cutting off FGITW before it even happens

even if a determined leech decides to play edit ping pong with users the 3x threshold still kicks in before closing would. I don't believe in silver bullets but this looks damn near close

@OptimusPrime That must have been a glitch.

(I'll get my coat)

"you get 1 comment explicitly saying what you need to do and only 1" ... from a single person, without the explicit guarantee that their suggestions are appropriate, nor that when addressed your question will stand. (I have put on my grumpy pants btw)

Another quality Tim's Post

> Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please take a [tour]

1:30 PM

@Bart The odds it will be a useful comment are higher then usual with the tag badge requirements, though

And people misusing the system is a very self contained issue we could develop tools to self police and train for

@Magisch not even misusing. But if I look at what people generally suggest now, it's often more "this one thing I noticed at first glance" rather than "this set of issues I found while reflecting on the post as a whole".

At least that's my impression.

@Bart I believe this is largely due to low single digit response rates

Could be. Maybe worth a try.

@TimPost I'm pretty certain comments like that mean you can stay in the Tavern.

It strikes at the core of the system inherent problem in the new user experience imo. I was skeptical at first but I think it could be really great

(I'll get my goat)

1:34 PM

@Magisch I'd argue we stop accepting new users altogether. Gone is the new user experience issue.

tl;dr don't only point the mistake (because it's easy), suggest the recommended actions (because, honestly... it's hard)

(okay, I guess I'm too tired... I'll eat my goat and sleep for now...)

I was talking about it a few days ago and I have some concerns... I think that it's a good framework for an idea but needs something else - some element of help or oversight that isn't really in the current description.

Maybe a mechanism to audit what people write into these comments

Like a secondary queue

@Magisch The obvious question: why can't we just use the existing close reasons? If I use this, I'd probably just be copying those reasons anyway.

@Dukeling It's supposed to be more specific then that

1:44 PM

That seems like wishful thinking.

The close reason is sometimes vague.... "Unclear" is unclear.

of what the OP has to improve

1. There's no guidance for the OP in the case that the deleter *doesn't* write something helpful. They're just stuck. All they can do is flag or, if they can figure it out, edit... but they don't know what to change.
2. There's no guidance for the delete voter to help them frame a good comment. They may not use it, but we need to be sure they have some guidance. That said, default text often times doesn't capture enough of the story to be of any use.
3. The only limitation is that someone can only do it 17 times per day. Post score isn't taken into account, user rep... nada... only whether …

1. can be solved by UI

By displaying a sort of checklist like stack overflow already does for question composure.

2. I agree is a legitimate concern. Something needs to be worked into that to make it known how to phrase a comment for that and

Well, and my suggestion was to tie this into the Ask a Question wizard so that a question that gets deleted like this will push them into that editor form... but the response I got was... dismissive.

3. I agree only negatively or zero scored questions should be affectable

1:48 PM

@Magisch The questions I'd want to single-handedly delete are probably bad enough for it not to make much sense to give a detailed explanation of what's wrong, and just stick to some general guidance instead.

It's admirable that that's what you'd do... I have a feeling that lots of people would use it for stuff that wasn't actually that bad...

It's less of a delete and more of a semi-non commital "give OP another chance to re-ask their question proper" in my mind.

I've often thought to myself "If I had a paragraph and OPs attention for 20 minutes we could stop the trainwreck of getting ground into the dirt from happening"

SO is a high pressure environment after all, this is why I liked mentoring so much despite its limitations

Well, you could get more than one comment in by posting a comment first and then using the comment and delete option for additional information.

If you think about it.

@Catija I also think whomever designed the keyboard did a terrible thing by putting the ' next to the Enter.

In theory yea

1:51 PM

Hmm... as a non mod, I can delete and request improvement for borderline question, but I can't single-handedly delete a 100% unsalvageable off-topic question...

@Dukeling HA. I was just one letter off... you should have seen the rest of the crap I typed.

But a way for a single competent user to "take over" handling a question and to bar the rest of the torrent of downvotes and disgruntled regulars doing their version of letting off steam is so tantalizing..

for the regulars too, their mood will lighten considerably if they don't see so many bad questions anymore...

@Magisch It has a downside too... and that's that your competent user will see all the crap and may experience the opposite effect..

yes but then it's 1 user per question, not 5

That's sort of why I feel like the initial rollout of something like this is extremely important... I worry that it will feel like another attack on new users - Congrats! Your post can't be downvoted to oblivion any more, instead, we'll just delete it immediately and possibly abuse you while doing so!

1:53 PM

basic math suggests the average engaged user will see fewer

The initial rollout could feature something like the mentorship project

Also, during the time I take to explain all the problems with the question, the question will probably be downvoted plenty, or receive answers (and thus prevent deletion?), and someone else will probably be constructing the same explanation.

pre-screen people who you know can refrain from becoming abusive

(sorry unnecessary ping)

Considering how many tags there are on SO, that'd be really difficult. Part of the big bonus with this is that it really helps users in tiny tag sets get a handle on questions that may never be closed because not many reviewers have the subject expertise to close them.

@Dukeling Also, there's only so many posts you can constructively handle a day. I've spend entire evenings just working with someone on one question or answer... :/

A beta-experiment of this need not cover all tags

It might be worth just doing it with volunteers for a first test

1:56 PM

(most of those were wasted effort, but hey, I tried)

Yes, and the wasted effort... But maybe people will be more likely to edit if their question is just deleted and they receive no help for their actual problem? Wishful thinking again?

to the contrary

@Magisch I'm not saying it's a bad idea... but the people willing to sign up for that... they're not the people who worry me. There are ~4444 users with a bronze badge in python... that's a lot of people to entrust with the ability to decide when to single handedly delete a question and write a useful comment on it.

I agree bronze badge is a tad optimistic btw. I think silver might be better

or ditch the badge and screen everyone who gets that ability by hand. That should still scale better then not doing it at all

@Dukeling Hmmm. I've only got IPS as a site where I've got a lot of experience, but I do see that if a question gets an answer and is then put on hold, it's much more likely for the answer to get accepted than the question to be edited.

1:58 PM

Gold badge holders would probably be able to take care of the bigger tags without the need for more users.

So in a way, preventing it from being downvoted to the point where someone says 'this is never going to recover' by deleting it, and leaving a comment asking someone to edit... does sound tempting.

It does

Because then when OP wants to edit they're not faced with "This is at -9 and closed, it will never ever ever recover" which dissuades edits to begin with

Maybe the tag could be decided based on the number of users in the tag... so a common tag like Python would require silver but rare ones would only need bronze? Also seems like language tags should be treated differently than concept tags.... does it make sense to give someone with a badge in "algorithm" the ability to close stuff in every language?

Yeah, seems like a good idea to limit to language tags

or technology tags, more like

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Its something I wish I could do every. single. time. I close a question, or delete something totally off topic ;)

2:02 PM

then again people who get auxilliary silver badges in non language tags are quite rare so just restricting it to silver in those might suffice

@Magisch This is one of the biggest upsides.

@Catija Thats what I meant by it solves multiple issues at once

that scenario is the heart of why new users feel unwelcome

if you mess up your Q it will likely never recover and you're just stuck with "bad user, go away" metaphorically

Right, and that's a problem we do really need to solve. The pile-on downvotes are a big detractor and they feel really crappy...

Actually every serious critique of the SO new user experience has mentioned this as main driving point

If we give OPs a disincentive to improve their posts, well then they'll just ... not

I mostly worry that a deletion - particularly if we don't explicitly and cheerfully say "Hey, we've deleted this because there are some problems with it and we'd really love for you to get an answer, so here's some general help for how to make your question better and please see the comment/s on your question for specific help. Editing your question to improve it will undelete it, so this isn't a permanent action!" Or something.

Journeyman Geek

2:04 PM

@Catija that's an important thing.

Don't even call it deleted

Call it "temporarily on hold"

... will be received more critically than a bunch of downvotes.

"Removed from view"

Hidden?

I guess Triage actually has done that

or "hidden pending user edits"

Journeyman Geek

It turns deletion from a "go away" to "lets put this away until its fixed"

2:05 PM

Sort of like "on hold" vs closed...

make it abundantly clear it's temporary and in OPs control to undo

Yep.

Journeyman Geek

"hidden pending user edits" looks good

Yeah, kind of an extension to Triage, from "hidden from homepage" to "hidden from anywhere except OP (and maybe the one who did the deletion?)"

If it's "hidden" and not "deleted" it could be visible in some other place to anyone who has the appropriate badges... so like the deleted:1 for mods or 10K users with their own posts, we could have hidden:1 that shows all hidden posts in that user's applicable tag badges.

2:10 PM

good idea

and if it's not edited within X days it turns to proper deleted

Yep.

it should be locked from voting during though

if a question is deleted pending edits the point that it's currently not up to scratch has already been made

I thought of another bad opinion! I couldn't find anyone who expressed it specifically, but still, the fact that I can so easily imagine it is infuriating! I'm gonna tell everyone about it!

4

@Magisch Agreed... that's sort of the big benefit of it... no voting.

Journeyman Geek

and a chance to fix stuff in the meanwhile

2:14 PM

or rather, the voting has been done and is able to be actualized properly. Right now, downvoters rarely if ever visit a post they've downvoted again

Journeyman Geek

@Catija on the other hand - I do wonder how we can maximise guidence there

So the downvotes might never reflect the current state of the post

Journeyman Geek

beyond just hiding the post with well, some suggestions

user194636

well the op could be pointed at a well-asked question in the same tag

That's why I think that if some part of the Ask a Question wizard could be baked into it somehow, it'd be really useful... it does a good job of outlining what needs to be included in a question and giving a good and bad example of each.

2:17 PM

So I actually found a question from two years ago, that's pretty much exactly what I wanted to ask. Should I still ask, or is there a possibility to make that question visible again?

20

Q: Markdown in Chat fails for Multi-Line Messages, a Reprise

So, we are all aware of this post, which essentially says that messages with multiple lines are considered to be "pasted" and therefore have no markdown processing run on them. All well and good, until it's actually useful to have. I'd respectfully like to revisit this topic now, almost six yea...

feature-request chat markdown

(Except I would add more links and arguments)

I have never seen that button... :/
I see it now... but I never noticed it before...

@Squirrelkiller added a bounty

The format button? Formatting also works using ctrl+k

Journeyman Geek

@Squirrelkiller tbh, I think 'fixing' stuff like that is a lowish priority

Oh bounty is a good idea, totally forgot about that.

2:19 PM

Yeah, I don't ever need to format things. I don't write code. :P

Journeyman Geek

(and I'd love to just see a standard dialect of markdown)

@Catija also useful if you use plain text notes tho

I write lots of code on SO chat :)

@Catija I do, and I never format. A single line is good enough for anyone.

Journeyman Geek

The sum totally of everything I need to know at work is on a few dozen text files

Our bot evne has a standard message for newbies telling them how to format and stuff

2:22 PM

So, here's the thing I'd say, @Squirrelkiller ... There are a lot of things about chat that need to be fixed and chat, sadly, is pretty low priority. That's not to say that we won't ever fix the stuff in chat or that we don't want to... But this has been "broken" if you will for a while... and I'm not sure why or if it can be "fixed". If you feel like that question is lacking, you have a couple of options - edit it to add support or answer it to add support.

Answers on meta don't have to be actual answers to the question. They can be for adding additional information or arguments. :)

Journeyman Geek

actually, there's a comment from one of the earlier posts from adam saying it wouldn't be?

The old bug report says it's by design... but I'm not sure I understand why it's that way on purpose.

Journeyman Geek

@Xeo The rest isn't going to happen. Doing full markdown parsing on long multiline messages can be costly and it opens up the path for trolls to be extra annoying. Chat isn't intended for posting long fully-formatted messages. — Adam Lear ♦ Aug 15 '13 at 15:49

Since the code is on github - would a possible outcome be "We won't do it but go ahead and make a pull request"?

@Squirrelkiller Probably not. The concerns Adam states there are still valid... the chat moderation tools are still pretty much non-existent.

2:31 PM

Doesn't pretty much open up the path for trolls to be extra annoying, including the very existence of Stack Overflow?

@Catija your emails must be fun.. and look like ransom notes ;p

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak Well, you're here... ;)

@Mgetz ?

Hey now @JourneymanGeek, be nice to the troll ... I mean Jan

Sounds like you want me to do something about it

Journeyman Geek

2:34 PM

@Mgetz Technically SaLAd CaSe i5 FOrmATting....

I'd think that making an email look like a ransom note would require a lot of code :P

Journeyman Geek

Its poor formatting and a capital offence on over 200 planets....

@Catija text.chars.map{|c|"<img src='#{images_for[c].sample}' />"}.join

:/ if you say so?

@Catija you said you didn't have a use for formatting, I was making a joke about something badly formatted

2:51 PM

Thanks for the help guys, bye!

3:16 PM

by the way, rating some comments shows me just how much perspective bias I have from using sede, perusing the close queues and charcoal

most of the content of the network turns out to be completly ordinary

i get annoyed at overly gracious or happy comments

@Magisch I'm pretty sure that the comment evaluator can only see non-deleted comments, so it's ignoring a lot of the problematic stuff that was removed already.

hmm, good to note

That's not to say that comments are rife with abuse... A lot of that stuff just gets deleted already, though.

In what like ... 150 or so comments I saw like 3 or 4 :| comments the rest were OK

no outright harassment yet

3:20 PM

Yeah, that's pretty par for the course.

user194636

It's basically a game of clicking smileys.

Here's hoping it'll help someone make some sense of something

They all think it is for the comments ... it is just part of their own anger management assessment ;)

This is unfair

hm?

3:26 PM

Why is this room looks so dope while our C# rooms looks like crap

define?

C#

General discussions about the c# language, Squirrels | gist.gi...

Hrmm. No reply smokey...

MSE is on a different chat server than that room.

expected that to do something...

3:27 PM

@LynnCrumbling Smokey hears but doesn't respond in here. It's by design.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): Og weeds 111#, available by josh ben on stackoverflow.com

Oh, gotchya. It used to, right?

Smokey only reports those reports who have not recieved false positive feedback and are still alive after 5(?) minutes in here.

Ah, well that makes sense I suppose.

I think it used to bypass that for manual reports but no longer does

3:31 PM

@Magisch 5 it is, yes

is my comment unwelcome/rude?

not for me

not for me either

in case it'll put your mind at ease, writing a new friendlier one and deleting the old one is free

2

I usually do that if I have doubts

how more friendly do we need to go?

everyone has to decide that for themselves :p

3:35 PM

I wrote an email today to support staff where I apologized that they restored the wrong file for me.

user194636

I'm sorry you had to do that

I admit there where files with similar names in that folder and hadn't warned them upfront.

I'm sorry you have to sorry

I wrote an official GDPR disclosure request to a web marketing company today

they thought it appropriate to mass email our location and apparently they bought the atendee list from a conference

gawk, I feel really tired today... hhh... good night :/

3:38 PM

sleep well

being DPO while also 20 years younger then most of your coworkers is ... not a great plan :p

3:50 PM

I could also do with a nap :D I guess the change in weather has really made my body realize how tired it is

4:19 PM

From cold to warm?

4:30 PM

@Catija I have a gold algorithm tag badge and I want to be able to close stuff in every language...

4:42 PM

But I mean not just those tagged with algorithm...

in B4 algorhitm is declared a meta tag, then burninated

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