Tavern on the Meta

12:25 AM

@Mithrandir on the other hand - whenever someone has tried anything complex and clever , say flag weight, it has failed hard

Journeyman Geek

1:42 AM

the nice thing with reputation is, well, it is an extremely simple abstraction. Also, review queues get abused a fair bit (leading to audits, and we all love those). At the end of the day, its an arbitrary count of imaginary internet points that vaguely reflect the time, effort and love you have put into a site ;)

Somewhat

2:05 AM

morn

Journeyman Geek

2:41 AM

gotta love the internet.

I bought a cheap VR headset without the caliberation QR code. Googled a bit and found a super dodgy site with codes for a massive array of OEM headsets. Found the closest one, and tah dah...

turns out that the google cardboard settings were wrong for this headset

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Fabby I can somehow see what's their problem. Nothing to do with missing respect or something. You'll meet such cucumbers in real life all the time :P

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard I've been asking you why you mentioned me in conjunction of @bart's statement.

Journeyman Geek

3:24 AM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315434/…

@πάνταῥεῖ you should try your best to get closevote powers ;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek I am working on it ;)

You can upvote my answers

Somewhat

3:45 AM

don't worry, he's already ragequit...

Mithrandir

6:46 AM

→ 9 messages moved to Chimney

rene

\o

Magisch

moorning

Mithrandir

o/

@Magisch morning on the moor?

Magisch

morning on a mooring ship in the moor

Mithrandir

Now how did a boat get to the moor?

Magisch

6:48 AM

It mooooved there

Mithrandir

Cowabunga!

Somewhat

7:09 AM

ugh, moderation fatigue on my site since in the morning... great...

The new motto is real: I should just downvote and vote to close instead of commenting to help OP fixing their question...

Magisch

Downvote, vote to close, vote to delete. You can't fall afoul of people flagging wantonly if you never give them an opportunity to

Bart

7:56 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ I guess he thinks more highly of you than of the rest of us.

Mithrandir

9:30 AM

→ 5 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch @Somewhat tbh, as a mod my usual reaction to moderation fatigue is... to take a half or full day away from more serious decisions

Magisch

As a mod your decisions carry more gravity then as a user though

Journeyman Geek

9:58 AM

yup, which is why being able to trust the folks around you do the right thing is awesome ;)

SmokeDetector

10:15 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Sync certain contacts between two devices/google account by kiran mai on android.SE

Somewhat

Well, I took a break from moderation after this question (me: Aki Tanaka)...

AFAIK, there's no(t yet) deleted comments, since my 2 flags were declined

Tinkeringbell

10:40 AM

@Somewhat Well, you won't have to delete comments if you're going to delete the entire question (though I don't think that'll happen here).. Good job staying calm and addressing the points you could address though :).

Somewhat

roomba will save the day~~~~~

Tinkeringbell

Eventually :)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

11:13 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ oh... Just for fun, and random ping. Like I do with @rene sometimes for example. :P

Journeyman Geek

11:43 AM

Today was interesting

got a new passport. Didn't have to talk to a single human being ;p

they have a machine that goes "Stick in your ID" "Stick in your passport" "Ok, stick your old passport into that slot to disable it" "stick it in the scanner to make sure we made the right holes in it" "Have a nice day!"

(its also faster than doing it the old fashioned way... which we did with mom)

Tinkeringbell

That actually sounds useful! But what about the picture? Or is there no picture on your passport?

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell oh you can send that in online

So the workflow is, get a letter, upload a photo that meets specs online, wait a few days, get another letter, go online and book a pick up date. go to the passport machine thing and do all that

Tinkeringbell

Cool!

Journeyman Geek

We did take our picture and do registration at the photo place at the ground floor cause its simpler, but we don't need to.

Tinkeringbell

They're still doing stuff manually here, so it means going to an office twice (you do book online so there's generally no waiting)

Journeyman Geek

11:48 AM

youtube.com/watch?v=QQDN1lUBRqA there's a video of this.

I'm convinced there's a bloke sitting inside going "damn it, this one's early WHERE IS THAT PASSPORT!"

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I always get me be taken by a professional, because they have pretty strict guidelines and they need a printed one

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell ya, that's why we use the one in the building they do all these in.

aww, they don't talk about sticking your old passport in and it punching holes in it

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I'll try and open it later ;) I'm on a train right now, going to that BBQ I mentioned

Journeyman Geek

ah

lol no rush

Tinkeringbell

First time wearing my mod hat in public ;)

Journeyman Geek

11:50 AM

oh

they also do a retina scan

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek nice! I think the EU is still bickering about biometric data and pricacy

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell its singapore

we have exactly as much privacy as our government feels we need.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I know :) I can remember a detail XD

@JourneymanGeek hah lol!

Journeyman Geek

On the other hand

Derpy

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Isn't that wonderful? Just think about it: soon this room shalt be known as "Tavern of the Wùkōng"

Journeyman Geek

11:52 AM

our airports are basicaly mostly automated through.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's one of the pro's ;)

Journeyman Geek

I mean, its basically something like a subway turnstile, only with 2 doors, and you scan your passport and thumb if you're enrolled in the system

SILLY THING IS the checkins are also automated

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Nice! Here you still have to be there hours early or something, just to get checked in, have your luggage processed, and whatever (I don't fly)

Journeyman Geek

and won't read my indian OCI/"lifetime visa"/no, its not really a citizenship, chill card

Tinkeringbell

That's a problem then?

Journeyman Geek

11:58 AM

means we need an actual person to confirm, so its not entirely automagical

Tinkeringbell

Ah.. but if everything is automated, there won't be a line before said person, right? :)

Journeyman Geek

erm, no? ;p

But they don't let us go straight to a person!

Even if we tell them their silly machines don't read our visas

Tinkeringbell

Ugh. I hate waiting in line ! Huh, why's that?

Journeyman Geek

Because they don't want people going straight to the counter and not using their fancy machines.

Tinkeringbell

That's stupid :P

So you'll have to try to machine first, have it sound a siren and then red flashing lights and then you can use the counter?

Journeyman Geek

12:02 PM

No

it reads our passport

then asks for our visa

then fails

then we go "erm, like we said, those machines don't read our PIO Booklets. Can we go to the counter please?"

Tinkeringbell

I'd not even tell beforehand, just play dumb each time... Cause a little drama :P

Somewhat

I <3 Changi airport

Journeyman Geek

Maybe one day, "Oh, it works! Cool!"

Bart

Changi airport is a nice airport. Although it may have changed a lot since I last was there

Journeyman Geek

Oh they just keep adding terminals

Somewhat

12:17 PM

I haven't been on terminal 4 though...

Journeyman Geek

and now a mall

Bart

Ah, they have 4 now? I liked how as a relatively big airport it managed to feel small and somewhat cozy

Journeyman Geek

yup

Well the old terminals are about the same with upgrades

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Well, Luckily until now I've never met a customer like that...

@πάνταῥεῖ I did already! :-)

Bart

Given that I'm just a pair of glasses ... how can I have a leaking nose? I'm a tissue monster today.

Fabby

12:34 PM

@Magisch As much as a gold medal user (though their hammer is more selective)

mod's hammer

Gold medal hammer

0:-) ;-)

@Tinkeringbell -----^ switching to only 2 emoticons as per ~~popular~~ your request.

:D ;-)

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby and the lack of options for a mod

its either hammer or nothing

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Not really: a stern talking to should always come before the hammer.

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby for closing questions ;p

Hard to be subtle there

Fabby

if the user persists after 3 increasingly stern talks: hammer.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Fabby

12:40 PM

@JourneymanGeek :D

Journeyman Geek

for closing questions?

Fabby

True!!!!

@JourneymanGeek Can a mod still flag?

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby yup, but say a spamflag is a one shot kill

Fabby

if yes: dump it in the review queue and have your minions do your work for you.

@JourneymanGeek Yup.

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby I use chat as a sounding board a fair bit

Tinkeringbell

12:41 PM

@Fabby LOL ... I couldn't care less, but nice to see you're minding your manners! It looks so much better! /s

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek I know: you did talk to me before closing one of my questions or answers on SU.

Tinkeringbell

Sorry. I had to switch from train to bus, but I managed to buy new books and ice cream too :D

Fabby

(Can't remember what it was, but not important enough to ask a meta Q)

@Tinkeringbell i c e c r e a m . . .

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby oh well, that's "hey, you could/should fix that"

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell salivating

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but maybe my knowledge was just enough to answer what I answered or the timing was off.

(to research further)

Bart

12:46 PM

@Tinkeringbell books are evil like that. I ended up with 3 of them yesterday and I don't remember consciously buying them ... sneaky bastards

4

John Dvorak

Echo?

I mean, Alexa?

Journeyman Geek

Were this IRC, someone would quickly change their name to Alexa, reply then quickly change it back ;)

Tim Post

/nickserv here just summons someone named nick. It's a literal nick service.

Magisch

/nickserv

doppelgreener

anyone online with Nick in their name is suddenly navigated to this room, and given a chat account if necessary

Magisch

12:50 PM

ahh you baited me

Fabby

@Bart :D Star bait!

Journeyman Geek

/mickserv

@doppelgreener I do think there's a few Nicks on the SO corp payroll ;p

Tim Post

doppelgreener

@JourneymanGeek one of those might be suddenly transported into this room too

Bart

Poor them

Derpy

12:54 PM

@doppelgreener sorry :P your plan to escape failed. I am in this room too.

Magisch

/timserv

Also, copyright infringement

lawyers have been notified :p

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I was going to make that joke but its too obvious ;p

(timserv, not copyright)

doppelgreener

@Derpy or is it you who cannot escape O_O

Tim Post

Fabby

@TimPost Someone call in an SE employee to have Mikey Mouse deleted from chat and the SQL database, because that looks like Trademark infringement to me!

(just kidding, sorry, couldn't hold that one in!) ;-)

Journeyman Geek

12:57 PM

speaking of parrots...

@Tinkeringbell there was a giant 3d printed lego macaw on tested today ;p

looked like a 3d printed version of your ava

Derpy

@Fabby well... considering EU brilliant ideas....

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy Its all fun and games, until you legislate away the whole internet

and then people wonder why everyone hates them ;)

Magisch

Fabby

:D Yeah, now that Disney is incorporated in the EU as well! )

Magisch

If you want a battle of bad puns, so be it

Tim Post

12:59 PM

No, you're it.

Fabby

You can edit a pic to become a link, you know???

Journeyman Geek

If you're fast enough

(or have mod powers)

Fabby

(otherwise chat scrolls up too quickly (and why SE put a rate limiting system in)

otherwise

fast

Derpy

Fabby

typers

would

be

able

to

have

chat

Journeyman Geek

1:01 PM

smacks @Fabby around with week old rotten fish

Fabby

Good! One that gets the pint!

(and that is with a rate limit)

Journeyman Geek

The best rate limit is common sense ;)

Fabby

Common sense:

3 mins ago, by Fabby

You can edit a pic to become a link, you know???

0:-) :P

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby actually with SE, and stuff being persistant...

I think its more an issue of "do people need to see that/download that"

Fabby

Yeah especially as it's https so cannot be cached.

Journeyman Geek

1:04 PM

erm

Fabby

(which is creating problems in Africa...)

Journeyman Geek

caching is local no?

Fabby

So apparently you don't know:

the move to HTTPS is putting developing countries at a disadvantage,

Journeyman Geek

._.

Fabby

as the local ISPs used to cache everything as disk is cheaper than fibre

with https everywhere that's not working any more...

Journeyman Geek

1:05 PM

That's the first I've heard of that

Fabby

(and a real bummer for developing nations: thye won't be able to catch up)

@JourneymanGeek I work in Africa...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, non-latin link in answer: ways to analyse ttfb for a joomla site by aliasghar on joomla.SE

Journeyman Geek

You do?

Fabby

Well... I work for a Cloud Service Provider and I have projects in: South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Dubai and Italy.

:D :D :D

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby on the other hand, there's a good reason why everything is https if it has a password...

Fabby

1:07 PM

All those are developing nations!

@JourneymanGeek As long as there's choice: it's a good idea.

Unfortunately, it's becoming less of a choice nowadays...

Anyway USER Fabby SET MODE RANT=OFF

0:-)

AFK BRB

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby though, that's somewhat mitigated by localish CDNs?

and SE makes heavy use of....

I think its fastly now, used to be cloudflare

and even italy has CDNs. And Buffalo.

Fabby

I was just kidding about Italy and Dubai...

@JourneymanGeek and the answer is: no

It's a real-world problem...

Somewhat

1:38 PM

morning...

doppelgreener

o/

Somewhat

Muscle memory strikes again... instead of changing profile on Chrome 69, it instead minimized...

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek picture?

Also

For those people thinking I'm a real parrot, I look much better in real life ;)

Nick C

Hi all. I had a feature-request I was going to post on Meta, but a search suggests the same thing was asked for before, and turned doen - but that was in 2012. Is it the 'done thing' to reopen such requests? (It's actually something that was suggested by one of the MVM&R users, but which I think would be useful)

Mithrandir

@NickC What request?

Nick C

1:49 PM

@Mithrandir spotting questions/titles posted in ALL CAPS and either stopping them, or throwing up a "please use sentance case" request

doppelgreener

You could make the request again, but you'd want to acknowledge the 2012 request and explain why it's worth being made again, including explaining why the reasons not to do it before don't apply now or are outweighed by other factors

basically, give people a reason not to just close it as a dupe

Anne Daunted

Is this later feature request useful?

59

Q: Adding "all capitals in the question title" to the quality filter

So, the guys over in Charcoal HQ have been working on a Smoke Detector that detects potential spam so it can be flagged quicker. One thing that has been noticed is the number of posts that get raised with an all-caps title. Here are some examples of things that have come through so far today - ...

Somewhat

this ~~question~~ challenge wouldn't be posted then

26

Q: IT'S CAPS LOCK DAY

OCTOBER 22 IS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY! UNFORTUNATELY, SOME DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE GLORY OF THE ALMIGHTY CAPS LOCK. THEY SAY IT SEEMS "OBNOXIOUS" OR "LIKE SHOUTING" OR SOME NONSENSE. IN ORDER TO CONFORM TO THESE OBVIOUSLY ILLOGICAL AND INANE COMPLAINTS, PLEASE WRITE ME A PROGRAM THAT TURNS NORMA...

code-golf

(I know that's an exception...)

Journeyman Geek

@AnneDaunted I think it makes sense unless there's a counterpoint

doppelgreener

I THINK THIS IS A HORRIBLE IDEA. HOW WILL I BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THE URGENCY OF MY PROBLEM IF IT DOESN'T STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB? I PROPOSE WE ONLY IMPLEMENT THIS IF WE ALSO GET <BLINK></BLINK> TAGS AS COMPENSATION FOR OUR LOSS — jmac Feb 6 '14 at 8:35

i'm enjoying these comments a lot

Nick C

2:10 PM

@AnneDaunted I find they usually get flagged as low-quality anyway. An alternative would be for the edit box to have a "Convert to sentance case" button that would do it automatically...

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell there you go

Tinkeringbell

That does look like me! :D

Journeyman Geek

tested.com/art/makers/… for the video

(pause button not part of parrot)

@Tinkeringbell it's also a really good copy of the classic Lego parrot

Somewhat

ah, THAT PARROT! HAR HAR!

speaking of Lego, I recently watched this though...

The Amazing Life-size LEGO Technic Bugatti Chiron that DRIVES!

►

Derpy

2:40 PM

@doppelgreener use the approved form:

> Plz I need code for ......

It'z urgentz I have to deliver code tomorrow

doppelgreener

> Plz I need code for HELP REALLY URGENT I NEED FIBONACCI SEQUENEC GENERATOR U CAN SEE ALL MY CODE AT HTIS ZIP FILE DOWNLOAD HERE I NEED IT TO WORK OR I FAIL SCHOOL THIS IS BAD PLS PLS LSPLS PLS PLS PLPSPLS PLS PLSSS

It'z urgentz I have to deliver code tomorrow

Somewhat

2:55 PM

perfect question on SE -- IGN -10/10

Tinkeringbell

3:08 PM

Can we not shout? It hurts my future hangover :)

@JourneymanGeek I never had a Lego parrot :(

Feeds

3:25 PM

Excited to vote for future presidents Bill Eisenhamper, Amy Forb, Ethan Obample, and Abigail Washingtoast.

Somewhat

@Feeds f

Jake Symons

4:04 PM

@Tinkeringbell thanks for unfreezing my room yesterday, forgot to say :)

Somewhat

Belated latest SEEN: Congratulation to Michael Karas on DIY.SE, and thanks Tester101!, Vi.SE's election has been running since Sep 10 (still in Nomination Phase), SF will have an election on Sep 17, and a call for attention about time zone, Korean.SE will get a pro-tempore election on Sep 24

Kevin B

meh

Somewhat

yeah, boring election news, I know :(

Optimus Prime

4:48 PM

Me: Hey Apple, three movies I bought disappeared from my iTunes library. Apple: Oh yes, those are not available anymore. Thank you for buying them. Here are two movie rentals on us! Me: Wait... WHAT?? @tim_cook when did this become acceptable?

Tweeted by drandersgs on September 10, 2018 at 9:53 PM

Read full thread

nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/09/14/…

Somewhat

Hiding some communities, but mentioning network flair on "About Us" 🤔

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Bart Sure, @Shadow knows me a bit :P

Anne Daunted

5:34 PM

etiquette Is it rude to edit too many posts on MSE (clogging up the active questions list)?

Somewhat

deja vu on MSO...

Not sure if it's "rude", but as always, it might annoy some people who prefer "active" sorting.

rene

@AnneDaunted well, I noticed ...

@Somewhat you mean this one but Anne is not on that level of edits

Nog Shine

My edit finger always itches but I have received criticism when I edited posts every two minutes on other sites. I don't like mass edits when it is only a retag or adding a newly created tag.

Anne Daunted

I will restrict myself to only a few at a time. And no pointless edits (like editing a closed, downvoted, recent off-topic question with no answers, for example).

Nog Shine

There was one instance when rene edited questions to delete grease-monkey tag.

rene

5:47 PM

yes, guilty

Nog Shine

You should have taken help from other users.

Let's share guilt :D

rene

I accept no help

Nog Shine

Why?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Because of halp plzzzz probably

rene

Because I'm grown up now.

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:50 PM

:D

@rene Check that one: twitter.com/GntherMakulik/status/1040653916084625409

Anne Daunted

Isn't it part of being an adult to accept help from others?

rene

Is it?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@AnneDaunted No. Ye older you get, the more you'll deny it :D

Anne Daunted

The older you get, the more help you need

rene

I don't want to claim I behave as an adult ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:53 PM

@AnneDaunted Physically maybe, mentally usually not

@rene Me neither

Anne Daunted

optimist

πάντα ῥεῖ

Optimized

Anne Daunted

you'll need young people like me to remind you of all you are forgetting

πάντα ῥεῖ

I am not suffering from dementia, but aching ankles.

That's ageism at it's worst :-P

rene

On the grease-monkey case it probably annoyed me enough to get it done in one seating but I didn't consider making a meta-post about it being time well spend for those that would have to read and answer it.

Somewhat

5:56 PM

Did I forget that someone just reminded me to not forgetting something...

rene

Is it happy hour?

I better prep some dinner

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Somewhat Did you find a knot at your handkerchief :)

Somewhat

oh...

Charlie Brumbaugh

Have there ever been efforts to basically flag ban users who consistently vote to close questions that end up going through the review and stay open?

rene

Not that I'm aware of

But if it exist I would be banned I guess

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:06 PM

@CharlieBrumbaugh Why so?

Somewhat

the recent meta post on Outdoor.SE

rene

as most of my CV's never lead to a closed question. They do age away

Charlie Brumbaugh

Basically on outdoors.se of the last 16 questions to go through review 1 was closed and I am getting tired voting to leave open again and again

Especially when we do the same questions 2-3 times

@πάνταῥεῖ see above

rene

You could run a SEDE query to see how many posts go through multiple close/re-open phases and/or multiple reviews. On the latter we don't have user info: maybe useful: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/242618/…

Somewhat

Isn't that a same user cannot vote to close more than once on a same question?

Charlie Brumbaugh

6:13 PM

@rene Funny thing is that I am #5 on that query, but at the same time I try to leave as many open as possible and edit them to be on topic

rene

Maybe this works better: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/191413/…

Charlie Brumbaugh

@Somewhat Other users see old possible duplicate comments and vtc all over again or see comments and go off that. Have been trying to flag comments but users are rather impressionable

@rene There is no way to find out who vtc first if they are left open from the queries since close votes are not stored

rene

yeah, that info sits only in the internal SEDE instance. That isn't public.

Somewhat

Timeline doesn't work?

rene

For first flagger? No.

Somewhat

6:20 PM

Ah, review initated from flag, not direct close vote.

rene

You need SE staff to answer that question about prolific close voters. Assuming they agree it is a problem

I expect Shog9 to have a ready made query for that. Maybe he or someone else from staff want to run it Outdoors ...

I like that joke.

and now I'm really off to make dinner

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene We're really badly missing him :(

@rene Goede eetlust

Tinkeringbell

@πάνταῥεῖ It's 'eet smakelijk' ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Tinkeringbell Ah THX! Google translate is s**t :P

@Tinker You're dutch, or just more polyglot than me?

Somewhat

rene, Tinkeringbell, and Bart walk into a bar....

the end.

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:34 PM

Bart might loose his glasses in a brawl

And a tooth or two :P

I am sitting at the counter, and discuss the scene with the bartender ordering another double shot of whiskey :D

^^ @rene @bart @tinker

Tinkeringbell

@πάνταῥεῖ Yep, Dutch ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@shadow Well, just for the fun and relationless pinging

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat If we did, we wouldn't remember the end ;)

@πάνταῥεῖ Mister problem player has just been removed from here, so now I can start getting drunk too ;) whiskey and cola :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I mostly like dutch people, unless they're getting into my way at the motorway during holiday seasons ;)

@Tinkeringbell Aww! Don't ever spoil whiskey with cola. I even blame waiters when they unintentionally serve me whiskey with ice or water :P

Tinkeringbell

@πάνταῥεῖ It's cheap whiskey, it needs cola ;)

But since I'm getting out the whiskey: bye for now! Hungover me will ba available after 10am local time tomorrow ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:47 PM

Don't ever drink cheap whiskey or the american bourban stuff (Making whiskey from corn is such a bad idea). Irish whiskey is somehow cheaper than scotch, and I even take on that lately (I've been on holidays in ireland recently). No cola, strictly!

@Tinkeringbell cya

^ Bourbon whiskey

LOL. That even looks like a pun: bourban

Don't give the actual american president any millimeter to intrude the goods we have already better on our own in europe!

rene

7:11 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ thanks

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene I even tried ;)

rene

that is appreciated

probably the direct translation of Guten Apetit

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene It was, yes

rene

I know where you're coming from ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I'm not really in disguise ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:33 PM

The lads from The Big Bang Theory reenact Star Trek poses in full Star trek Uniform

►

Aaron Hall

8:06 PM

18 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

the nice thing with reputation is, well, it is an extremely simple abstraction. Also, review queues get abused a fair bit (leading to audits, and we all love those). At the end of the day, its an arbitrary count of imaginary internet points that vaguely reflect the time, effort and love you have put into a site ;)

Reputation points are good, please don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of people who put time, effort, and "love" (for some definition of love) into these sites and who don't get that recognized with reputation points.

Travis J

8:18 PM

@AaronHall The quality of contribution when you post content can be measured. The quality of close votes and flags cannot be marked as "low quality". As such, there is no measurement of quality for the actions associated with putting time and effort into the actions you are describing.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:29 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ thanks!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Why is my post about which topics the team has deemed unsuitable for Area 51 being downvoted so heavily? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315431/…

Kevin B

i would assume that people either disagree that it should be a faq, or find it not useful.

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Q: I've just been downvoted. How should I react?

I've posted a question or an answer, and I have received one or more downvotes. I am not really sure why I was down voted, or I think I know why, but I disagree. Why did this happen, and what should I do about it? Return to FAQ index

discussion faq down-votes

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Unlike Journeyman Geek above, I value my Meta rep quite a bit. So, since I lost quite a lot of rep over it, I'm faced with a choice: I can keep the question there, but keep taking the hit for it, or delete the question and get the rep back, but then the info is no longer public.

Travis J

As a question, it seems to lack research. There are only a few instances of that happening. "What are these topics, and why are such proposals no longer accepted" is basically a duplication of all of the existing content. There is a very large open-endedness about the question. It is written in such a way which is slightly verbose, and requires careful reading to parse. etc.

I didn't see it until you linked it, but that would be my feedback on why someone(s) may have downvoted.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:45 PM

@TravisJ But many proposed FAQ questions are even broader, and they have been accepted. After receiving a close vote as "too broad", it was unanimously reviewed as "Leave Open" in the review queue.

Travis J

Note that was not the only reason I gave.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Also, what's wrong with the answer?

Kevin B

i mean... a downvote doesn't necessarily indicate something is "wrong"

Travis J

Moreover, the info is already public. I have the public dump from the startups exchange for example, so I was fairly aware of that one. The recommendations is kind of common knowledge. Foreign languages have been raised in several places, and the major ones are supported. In general, the languages with a strong user base got started.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ Please read the last paragraph of the question, as well as this (10k-only): meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315435/…

@KevinB A downvote means people thought it was so bad that the author should lose rep for posting it.

Travis J

8:47 PM

The intent is just wasted space in my opinion. Its use for future visitors will be determined over time, as is the standard for most faq posts.

rene

no, a downvote means the post is not useful

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@rene Do you think it's not useful? If so, why don't you think it's useful?

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't think most people think of it that way.

Travis J

As for having a duplicate target, those should be done on a case by case basis in this situation. There are already public discussions with regards to languages, recommendations, and startups (oh how I miss startups)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija "I value my Meta rep quite a bit."

@TravisJ Many of those are on Area 51 Discussions, and as you probably know, there's no closing as cross-site duplicate.

Catija

8:49 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Not quite sure how that negates what I said.

Travis J

While 0.01% of users may use downvotes as some sort of personal punishment, in general I strongly believe the vast majority of users vote purely on content and future usefulness.

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I've seen you say that but that doesn't mean that everyone does.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ Not necessarily. A perfectly well-written feature request can cause the author to lose rep if people don't like it.

Travis J

That gets into usefulness though.

If users find a feature request useful, they will upvote it into oblivion

rene

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I didn't down vote yet. I'm impartial at the moment. Not sure how such list would influence future outcomes of area 51 attempts. Will there be less on the same topic? More? Will they use it as a learning experience? I don't think MSE should be like wikipedia where every trivia is documented.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:54 PM

As I've said so many times here, and I'll repeat again, I don't think that users should lose rep just for making an unpopular request.

Travis J

That said, feature-request voting is its own beast. It still isn't voting based on user though.

Meh.. rep, not rep. If you are requesting something no one wants all the time, then how is that of use? If you are requesting something that users actively believe would harm the exchange, do you really deserve upvotes? Features are not supposed to be thrown out without a lot of research and thought. If you at least include research and thought to the point where it is obvious you spent a lot of time crossing all your t's and dotting all your i's, then most users will simply abstain from voting.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I think that that behavior makes the MSE community less inclusive. It turns into a popularity contest: people are actively incentivized to only post requests that you know others would agree with.

Travis J

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A: Can we talk about the voting culture here on Meta?

So I've been kinda chewing on this since your email, because... It's one of those simple questions that defies a simple answer. You're not the only person to raise this concern, of course: several respected users, moderators and even co-workers have expressed dismay upon seeing reasonable questio...

rene

Can I ask all of you to be very reluctant in deleting your own messages? Or you must have been told you're rude or off-limits but beyond that there is no real need. And it takes me too many clicks to check what is going on. And I hate that as I'm lazy.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@rene Judging from the speed and synergy above, it looks like @Catija used her mod powers to delete all those messages; correct me if I'm wrong.

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