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12:13 AM
@bro Is there an SEDE query for viewing my comments in order of upvotes?
@JourneymanGeek Was my bounty useful?
12:25 AM
> The internet’s largest coding forum told users Thursday to start deleting “unkind comments” to make the community more inclusive for black people and women. Daily Caller
Blog post made into a news story.
Still waiting for NY Times editorial on the subject.
@SonicWizard where?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ triggered. More seriously? Eh I need to work on that
my life is great - writing more emails, chasing after more people
"chasing after you"
12:32 AM
because I need information/them to agree on things
harassing them until they diverge the information I seek and agree to let me reach my goal
Why aren't question owners notified when others put a bounty on their question?
Well i am vaguely at work
Well. It's useful if it gets feedback. Keeps it from being closed.... There's value I guess?
@JourneymanGeek If someone flags for a moderator to clear the bounty so it can be closed?
@SonicWizard Yes, mods can close questions with bounty.
12:46 AM
@SonicWizard Top comments
Robert Harvey is on a tweeting spree in @StackOverflow mentions.
1:00 AM
Hmm, should stackoverflow.com/questions/27381768/… be reopened? It's really just asking the equivalent of "How can I do this with the Google Maps API".
that one legit question with one legit answer, not sure why it's closed to start with
1:13 AM
@NogShine No, they can't. Technically, they can, but they have to clear (remove) the bounty first. That's technically not closing a question with a bounty.
@SonicWizard Well, I mean the same. Closing a question which has a bounty on it. They can close it after removing the bounty.
But the question doesn't have a bounty on it when they actually close it.
They remove it first.
See the first three comments here:
Q: In modern webbrowsers is there any point in putting www infront of a url that uses it?

CeleritasWhen going to www.facebook.com or www.cbc.ca is there any benefit or difference made by omitting the www? EDIT: so it could be a problem if www is omitted but not automatically added, could it ever be a problem if www is added but not required?

1:38 AM
why do they always say " Stack Exchange's valued associate #00xyz", were there any Stack Exchange's unvalued associates?
@TelKitty That indicates they were one of the first few people to be hired by Stack Exchange and were key to the founding of it
Formally Formerly known as Jarrod Roberson
@bro Should I changed my name on MSE to feeling welcomed given that MSE has a bad opinion compared to other metas? ;)
2 hours later…
4:15 AM
\o/ top 50 in MSE
@bro wasn't he a dev?
actually I think every hire has that.
@JourneymanGeek I am in top 800 \o/
I'm on page three... that's not too bad.
You know that MSE is a tiny site when other sites you've not been active on in a while but you have about the same rep on have hugely higher impact numbers.
@Catija Also, lower question volume but quite a lot of votes
@JourneymanGeek top 508! \o/
I was keeping an eye out for the past few weeks
pretty sure there were 2 people above last time I checked
4:30 AM
Wow, I'm selectively biased to some users on SE...
you should just have equal opportunity bias
I guess it's still a good thing that my bias doesn't affect voting behavior, but...
There are some users (not on MSE) whom I already gave up editing their posts to improve them
@TelKitty cat, chooks, unicorn... this is too perfect...
@JourneymanGeek Top of what?
4:45 AM
@SonicWizard all time
And you're first in the yearly league if you exclude SE employees
heh, #2 is good enough
And in the all-time league, if you exclude users who are currently, or at any point have been, moderators on MSE, Mad Scientist is first, followed by @Shadow.
(Current employees, former employees, and those who were trilogy moderators back when trilogy mods were given moderator access to then-MSO)
well, technically, SU mods could have been MSE mods, and were at one point
Yeah, I've seen random participate a lot
animuson is in a special spot: he had mod privileges by being an SO mod, then lost them when MSO became MSE, and then regained them by becoming an SE employee.
4:50 AM
MSO was always special tho
but initially I think trilogy mods had mod powers too
Isn't it true that the reason why trilogy mods were given moderator access to (then-MSO, now MSE) was because back when the entire SE network was just the trilogy sites, all three sites shared the same meta?
but that wasn't for very long
I THINK the reason we don't have mod powers is chat here is used for internal chat and... ya
And isn't that why I see a lot of MSU questions migrated from today-MSE on July 22, 2010? Is that when the system of per-site metas was put in place?
@JourneymanGeek In the original posts from the split, they said they would appoint mods here "eventually". That never happened.
as with certain things
tbh, MSE needs very little moderation of that sort
5:45 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, username similar to website in answer: Forgot alternative password for encrypted & fingerprint-protected Samsung Galaxy S5: how to reset it? by Fix Guruji on android.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Samsung Android email app vs gmail caching by Emma L on android.SE
6:01 AM
6:13 AM
@SmokeDetector poof
@ShadowWizard It's been almost 15 minutes since that was posted
@JourneymanGeek yeah better not reveal all the dirty secrets to all SE mods... ;)
@NobodyNada I know, just love poofing. :D
@JourneymanGeek right, but I also like #1
@ShadowWizard I wouldn't be shocked if it was amazingly boring.
6:15 AM
@JourneymanGeek probably full with social interaction.... O_o ;)
@ShadowWizard no use worrying over it. I'm not competing with anyone but myself ;)
I go "hey, I want to hit this score" or "I want to get to this place" or "I want to beat JohnT" ...
but but
at the end of the day, if I take this too seriously and am completitive, it stops being fun ;)
@JourneymanGeek hahaha, well, I was referring to other numbers, taking your message out of context, didn't look for the actual context yet. :P
@ShadowWizard I'm #2 for the year behind shog ;p
ewwww that's gross!! Even for me!!!! :P
and I'm finally on the first page of MSE users.
6:19 AM
@JourneymanGeek Out of curiosity, have you listened to ABBA during their heyday?
@JourneymanGeek huh? No, @TimStone is the last on the first page, with 51.5k rep.
oh, what sort you mean? Editors? checking
tim is #36
@JourneymanGeek right. And each page has 36 users, so...
6:24 AM
@ShadowWizard I am on page 22
@NogShine good!
Still wondering what @Journeyman meant by " finally on the first page of MSE users"?
each page has 50
(or 30 or 15. I'll gloat when we come to that ;p)
@JourneymanGeek Oh! you are looking at leagues!!
User's page.
Only 36 accounts are shown on user's page
6:37 AM
That's next? ;p
6-8 weeks months?
@JourneymanGeek That is just so typically me
(in real life, or rather the real life of Britney Spears)
A test message with a line
well, people also assumed I knew what I was talking about. And possiblly I knew what they were talking about
I understood that you were talking about top users page. But the misunderstanding came when you said 50 are shown.
I coulda communicated that better
@JourneymanGeek ohh.... you mean leagues, thought you meant only the users page.
@NogShine you're hereby declared as my Shadow Voice!
6:48 AM
@ShadowWizard I am Shog's friend. Always his friend.
Yeah, I meant leagues
@JourneymanGeek don't worry, I know what you're talking about ;p
that's why I'm in top 508 ;p
@NogShine Shog's Friend and Shadow's Voice then. ;)
(aka. I won't calculate manually my rank from users page)
6:54 AM
@hey there is also a cluster of monsters at right, so lacking dogs to defend the tiny unicorn ...
@NogShine <insert lord of the rings reference here>
@PrincessLuna twitch
@JourneymanGeek .tv? :p
sd 2 poof
sd poof poof
7:00 AM
@ShadowWizard "2poof" without a space
@ShadowWizard :p
@SonicWizard Mad Shadow
7:19 AM
Yo @JourneymanGeek
Long time no see :P
Well, I've been here
Glad to know
@JourneymanGeek and not there?
He is not on SO afair
checking Journey network profile
I don't hang out on SO, no
7:48 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Why does hotel price change with more occupants? by Alice Melnyk on travel.SE
sd f
@ShadowWizard XD
8:19 AM
@ShadowWizard lol
@ShadowWizard 🤣
8:35 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, repeated URL at end of long post, blacklisted user: How to prevent weeds from growing? by Dz Sayed on gardening.SE
@hey white square to you too!
sd k
@ShadowWizard it's a laughing emoji
@PrincessLuna good for you!
@ShadowWizard I meant the white square
I know ^
8:44 AM
A: Were the changes to the time limits supposed to occur retroactively?

SeanJArea51 is not a collaborative process. It is run by Robert Cartaino. My first proposal 'dogecoin' passed definition but was shut down by Robert who decided he didn't like it. Everytime autonomous vehicles came close to completion, Robert would appear to shut down questions many of which were v...

This is madness. I can't believe Robert is getting away with changing the rules arbitrarily. That is how a tyrant behaves. We were close several times until Robert came on and closed questions. Eric actually deleted a question with 22 votes because Robert closed it in order to placate his shutting down questions. For the record there were 208 followers on our proposal! — SeanJ 14 mins ago
Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change, well I guess this is the typical example:
This website says 'ask a question' not 'share your code'. If u dont know how to approach this problem plz leave your bad comments with u. I am not looking for that. U guys are very bad and unhelpful. — Tina Florijn 5 mins ago
Now... is it because of gender? or is it a problem of expectations, a trouble from SE side to communicate how question should be asked?
@SonicWizard the emoji appear in pain. ;)
Tina, how do you expect from people to help you without see your code? — Mosh Feu 17 mins ago
It is very sad to witness that everyone is complaining about the code and affect my reputation by disliking this post. Nowhere in the conditions of this website is stated that I need to share my code. I just asked a simple question about a problem that I cannot solve. All I want to hear is way how I can approach this not your bad comments. This is very sadly — Tina Florijn 15 mins ago
"Nowhere in the conditions of this website is stated that I need to share my code."
@PetterFriberg Apparently it's a lack of communication of policy.
9:04 AM
@SonicWizard ooh I know, I have seen them all, it's just a typical day by day issue, OP click the "Ask a question" (not reading all the FAQ etc), they get down voted and then that comment arrives (which explains the problem). Now with all the downvotes OP is already hurt (whether it's male, women, gay or whatever) and the mess starts!
@SonicWizard Exactly that's what I wanted to show, OP on first question does not have enough info (we are not forcing them enough info before asking question). Now since that is maybe a women (they may think that is a problem with minority group), but I can show same thing (with male avatar). We need to fix the "Ask Question" stuff
And here you go with OP think it's a minority group problem
and btw this is not me on the picture so don't judge — Tina Florijn 1 min ago
9:21 AM
@SonicWizard has the highest rep on Area 51 compared to other sites...
@PetterFriberg she lied though, there's an FB with exact name and photo...
@hey Maybe the Facebook photo is also not her?
@hey I got no clue and actually I don't really care, I just wanted to show the problem, to make people think about the solution.
@SonicWizard I doubt it
because as it is, it is a problem for both active users and OP.
now related to question I'm not javascript dev, but I'm not so sure that the question actually needed code, it just need to be clear what OP actually wanted, the close reason according to me is wrong, but I think this is another beast
@PetterFriberg I don't really care either, but playing a victim card won't make the situation better either.
9:32 AM
@hey "Playing" you are assuming again, OP feels what they feel, to me the problem is the darn "Ask question", push and post... but yeah that's just my hidden agenda to try and convince you about this.
Exact same question, with Chuck Norris as avatar to me would have had exact same outcome... I can't prove that, but I guess I can find similar example with male avatar.
I know and I also agree SO has many problems. It's even mentioned on the blog that it's SO's fault for not improving many things to make it friendlier for the new users in the first place.
Until then, there are only miscommunications/misexpectation/whatever between new users and the communities themselves
There's a conversation with Shog that might give some insight, starting from
14 hours ago, by Shog9
Don't answer dups. Edit everything else that you answer. The notion that you shouldn't answer even when you can because the question is crap ignores the primary advantage of SO over traditional forums: editing.
9:47 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, +2 more: What are the substances contained in the Bone + Oak Forskolin? by Domis 19 on drupal.SE
10:15 AM
11:14 AM
sd k
Spammers can't be educated to not spam, @Glorfindel
11:32 AM
as long as:
@TelKitty which is who? ;)
//give TelKitty waffle
@ShadowWizard I'm not sure on this one. The content of this post was taken from Quora, but a highly scoring post posted by an employee of that company. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt - for now.
@ShadowWizard good exercise for you to find out in the next few days ;) ... now I have to go back to finish reading a letter and some reports
stealing @TelKitty's letter and reports so she can stay here
11:45 AM
gives waffle to TelKitty
@sha ^
@ShadowWizard XD
//give @D‮erpy cupcake
gives cupcake to @Derpy
12:02 PM
//give @shadow paper
gives paper to @shadow
//cut paper
@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
//learn cut cuts %s
12:10 PM
@PrincessLuna Learned.
@ShadowWizard try again maybe? :3
//learn cut cutting @\un's %s
@ShadowWizard Learned.
//*cut* paper
@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
12:10 PM
cutting @Shadow Wizard's paper
//*cut* cake
cutting @TelKitty's cake
12:12 PM
//*cut* paper
cutting @Princess Luna's paper
//*cut* @shadow paper
cutting @TelKitty's @shadow paper
I thought there was more cache poisoning there ^^'
no cache
//cut something
12:13 PM
cuts something
"*" is considered just another character...
So *cut* and cut are totally different commands, from the bot's view. ;)
//learn eat ate @\un's %s
@TelKitty Learned.
//eat cake
ate @Shadow Wizard's cake
12:14 PM
//eat cupcake
ate @TelKitty's cupcake
Is this cross room? Let's see...
in Shadow's Den, 19 secs ago, by Princess Celestia
ate @Shadow Wizard's something
//learn steal steals @SmokeDetector's %s
@TelKitty Learned.
//steal cupcake
12:15 PM
@TelKitty Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
steals @SmokeDetector's cupcake
//ping Tel
pings @Tel
//tagify status-declined
12:17 PM
@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
//statusify declined
@PrincessLuna Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
@ShadowWizard not just that
@PrincessLuna cross domain?
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πάντα ῥεῖ (186472)            - 723
Sonic Wizard (377214)         - 540
bro (315433)                  - 535
Journeyman Geek (135565)      - 488
hey (241919)                  - 457
rene (158100)                 - 340
Yvette Colomb (310756)        - 258
SmokeDetector (266345)        - 256
@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
//whois 280934
12:30 PM
@ShadowWizard M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ (UID 280934)
12:43 PM
Hah. I am not the chattiest here
of course you're not!
make a ping leaderboard! @Princess ;)
For who gets pinged the most? xD
@PrincessLuna no! Who pings the most!
sha k
12:50 PM
I'll append it to //status as //status pings. //status (\\d) gets a specific room
toIntOrNull should be a good check
Sounds promising!
//help status
Built in command. `//status`: Shows the leading chatters
No help was supplied for this command
Known aliases: leaderboard
Rank required: 1 (WARNING: Undefined in code. Actual rank may differ from listed) (your rank: 8)
//promote 135565 5
@ShadowWizard You can't promote other users to the same or higher rank as yourself
@ShadowWizard Rank for the user has successfully been updated
1:07 PM
@ShadowWizard that user have rep specially if they delete the question ;), Im not replying in comment thread since already to much chatter in that.
@PrincessCelestia /shrug
@PetterFriberg yeah, one upvote will also be enough. But as it stands, you gave the advice to user with 2 rep, so...
//whois PetterFriberg
1:22 PM
//whois 3
//whois 155160
:( ... only works on those who are active
@TelKitty only works when the bot is up and running. :)
(and not "active", the bot will index anyone who ever posted something while bot is online)
i.e. anyone in its //status list
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Questions from an organic lawn care beginner by Dz Sayed on gardening.SE
1:27 PM
sd k
Hhh... I hate myself... since that blog article, I don't have any enthusiast to moderate any sites...
@hey don't hate yourself, it only means you're human. :)
(not Normal though ;))
Payment meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309643/payment-integration @Bart @rene @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ
I, on the other hand, have too many different tech problems, too many scheming and too many misc problems to worry about and no brain power left for anything else at the moment.
1:42 PM
Charge your batteries, @Tel. :)
battery is one of the problems I need to solve - literally, I am actually thinking of building own batteries or rebuild an adapter with different connector and longer wires
but that's pretty low on the priority list
@TelKitty you try to upgrade your body? That's awesome!
2:00 PM
@enderland and there are 9 of them. — Shadow Wizard 3 mins ago
Don't forget there is a friend too. :P
yup ^
Shog & Friends
Good for TV show title.
2:32 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Find out the identity of the person that called you by Frank Clark on security.SE
@ShadowWizard I am not upgrade my body, just reading the latest 74 pages State Environmental Planning Policy, probably have to read hundred of pages on how to get approval for pharmaceutical goods that already got FDA approval sometime this week. Have to coordinate inspection because road work. Have to find out info because the branch where my tiny company's account is held has collapsed (just the branch not the bank so $ is safe). Then there is a whole list on lower priority issues.
@TelKitty how's your cough?
2:50 PM
@TelKitty oh my... regarding bank branches, in Israel many are closed in favor of virtual/online banking.
@hey how's your cold? :)
3:08 PM
@ShadowWizard fine, but now a little sore throat ~_~
@hey ouch. Have some tea then!
!!/tea hey
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of lemon tea for @hey
And don't shout! @hey
旦_(^^ ) THANKS!
hey! I said no shouting!
taking tea away
!!/untea hey
3:12 PM
@ShadowWizard No such command 'untea'.
!!/undo tea hey
@ShadowWizard No such command 'undo'.
@ShadowWizard self deleted
@rene oh my. So rare...
!!/icecream rene
3:23 PM
@ShadowWizard No such command 'icecream'.
!!/i scream rene
@hey No such command 'i scream'.
@rene BTW, Kenny died again...
Servy left a comment here as response on my earlier comment. I have a hard time to decipher what his message entails. Does it try to correct my (blunt) statement? Does it adds another point of view? Does it extend on my comment? Or is it just as always his elitist way of telling me that I don't understand what this is all about?
The latter is most often the case so I wouldn't be surprised if it is just that.
@Servy is sometimes... hard to follow/understand, yeah.
oh, he means the blog post means we can't tell people they are wrong anymore because it will hurt their feeling. @rene
Which is correct. And the first steps of a major, bad, change.
3:32 PM
@ShadowWizard OK
People are now afraid to tell users they're wrong, that's most likely what Servy means.
@ShadowWizard yeah, if that is the outcome, sure
@ShadowWizard true
And I'll once again comment like "This is not an answer and thus will be deleted 😁"
at least I left one comment that has the approval of Servy. My life is complete.
> a lot of devs feel like Stack Overflow is an intimidating, unwelcoming place. We know because they tell us.
3:35 PM
Q: Why are you not participating on SO?
A1: I once asked a question, but it was an offtopic tool request, so they correctly shut it down.
A2: Because the users there are so mean.
I suspect "they tell us" involves a fair bit of A2 being passed for A1
Yeah, it's like students will feel intimidated and unwelcome by the teachers when they get low grades in tests.
"I failed this test because I'm a female, now fire the teacher!"
@ShadowWizard This has actually been a topic at universities and in some instances failing grades were raised to passing grades depending on external factors
Fact is, those things can't be proved, not until there will be real mind reading.
For instance, when some students joined protests and participated in certain forms of social activism that left them little time to tend to their studies, demands were made and met by university officials that the grading system be relaxed to avoid a hostile campus atmosphere
3:40 PM
And with tests it's easier to prove the teacher gave bad score because, well, the student gave wrong answers.
@ShadowWizard According to fellows at oxford objective science itself is a sexist construct: academic.oup.com/spp/article-abstract/12/6/308/1619782
This is what causes this debate to become so explosive and vitriol filled - neither side can even agree on a set of definitions and premises
I like this comment :)
That interesting blog is becoming a tool for some people to defend poor quality question/answer. Like here here. Maybe some day asking whatever question should be welcomed ;)... — liliscent 10 hours ago
I guess I should add meta.stackoverflow.com to firewall blacklist for a while...
3:57 PM
> It makes me sad when someone get downvoted for posting a duplicate.
I happen to know a remedy for that: read and answer SO questions for a few months. After seeing N of these duplicates, you won't be so sad about them being downvoted.
4:12 PM
Isn't there a question about how to change user name on Area 51?
Surprisingly, no?
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