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@Rob american bus service

I guess kinda like national express?

Rob

Ah, right

"chinatown buses" are like megabus ;p

(... also I assumed that someone was british. Which is slightly silly)

Rob

Still in the commonwealth.. so close enough ;)

12:22 AM

well I don't know bus companies anywhere else ;p

user202362

user202362

but you need to be sufficiently light

1:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek Megabus exists in the US too. I heard it's better than Greyhound for travel within Texas.

ah

I'm neither british nor american. I've used megabus in the UK and it was pretty good ;p

2:15 AM

I got my hat swag!!!

that was quick

:D

I don't think mine's shipped yet

SO corp usually sends tracking ;p

I never got a shipping email!

I don't even see anything in spam.

Got mine today, thanks! — rogerdeuce 2 days ago

Apparently it wasn't fast... someone got theirs on Saturday?

I sort of wonder if the stuff is specific to the user... Which would be really sweet.

user202362

I am hoping for Jan 26 + 8 weeks

2:24 AM

whatchaget?

user202362

swag

Shirt, notebook, nalgene bottle, sharpie, pen, patch, plus some site-specific stickers (for sites I use) and a ton of SE stickers... but I think those are from the Charcoal swag, not from this.

proper nalgene bottle or the orange sippy one?

wait...

patch?

@JourneymanGeek It's an iron-on patch with the SO logo on a velcro upper later? so it's a two-layer patch?

oh my god. SO MUCH LOVE.

I've never heard of SO patches before.

the ton of SE stickers is 'standard'

I have a pile of SU and SE stickers somewhere

2:28 AM

@JourneymanGeek It's branded "nalgene" no sippy thing... you have to open it.

user202362

last time I only got 1 sticker

oh those are better

I have the SU varient

user202362

moderators tend to get tons of stickers

@TelautonomousKitty naw, I kinda won something in nearly every SU competition, when that was a thing.

Actually, looking at it, it's a SE patch... it's weird, though. The logo is not quite the SE logo... it's got a diagonal line through it and the colors on either side of the line are different. The lower half is the normal SE colors and the upper half is brighter.

2:30 AM

maybe had problems matching the colours?

user202362

:/

It looks pretty intentional... let me get a photo.

meta question time? ;p

(cause I am totally not going to begrudge someone the chance to ~~totally beat my ass in the rep leagues~~ get an answer to a important question like that)

Oh... it's actually really similar to the SE logo in the iPhone app...

But I'd never noticed the diagonal line on the site.

ah

.... that is so cool

(I'm a bit crazy about patches ;p)

also I kinda DIY velcrotise most of my patches

heh @va

user202362

2:33 AM

well, maybe the amount of stickers one gets is proportional to the number of upvotes the answer get minus the threshold :p

@TelautonomousKitty naw, I think they just grab a stack and throw it in

user202362

Oo I got those

ya, that looks like a "close enough" fit to the SE logo/favicon ;p

user202362

wait, I didn't get any stickers, only this last time

2:35 AM

:D

(machine embroidery is cool but strange)

Yeah, and only so many colors of thread.

yup

Weird that I never noticed the diagonal line, though.

I have an embroidery of my dog somewhere ;p

2:36 AM

HAHA.

but the software is kinda shit

I'd be doing a lot if there was something that would convert a SVG to what my mother's sewing machine uses

Your mom must have a really fancy sewing machine!

I think its one of these brother-usa.com/homesewing/modeldetail.aspx?ProductID=se400

she also has a 70/80ss new home sewing machine with pastic cams for different stitches

its good fun

Nice! So I guess she likes sewing?

kinda? Used to sew a lot

she's doing more cross stitch these days

2:51 AM

Not so much any more?

So hand embroidery, then?

well, she dosen't have as many reasons to sew yup!

(If you're a cross stitch nut, there's really good software for converting images to cross stitch around ;p)

@Catija You should have done an unboxing video

There was no indication of who it was from, so I wasn't sure what it was... and I was hungry and wanted to eat dinner.

lol

unless they changed shipping agents, I actually recognise the address they ship stuff from

no one else would send me packages from MA :p

For a long time I thought this was an unofficial logo being used on SEDE, but I looked in WayBackMachine and saw it was an actual SE logo before it was changed.

2:55 AM

the stickers look exactly like that

Which stickers?

user315433

There are some really quiet sites moderation-wise, @John. These flags might be all that keep some mod-teams from going stir crazy. The Diamond Madness, they call it - one day you stumble on a lonely forgotten cabin in the woods, perhaps to take shelter from the driving snow, and upon opening the door you see the desiccated corpse in the blue hat... bony fingers still clutching that last flag. — Shog9 ♦ 4 hours ago

The SE stickers

The ones that came in the recent swag shipment?

the one I have not gotten yet? unclear ;p

the ones I got in a previous swag shipment?

Yup!

2:57 AM

When was that?

er...

@SmokeDetector Markov-chaining "good" titles.

feb 2017

@JourneymanGeek Still MA. STEX (Printex), Inc.

Was my 100k swag

2:58 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

(before I spark rumours of 10k swag)

I believe I deserve swag for my years of anonymous editing.

they probably didn't know where to send it.

What?

Well technically who to send it to.

3:01 AM

Wait, so the 2017 shipment actually used that logo?

Also, I donno man, having accountability for who posted stuff is good

With the weird corner and lack of a diagonal line?

@JourneymanGeek February 2017 constitutes "recent" in my definition.

They still send out old SO logo stickers, too...

@Ano wanted to ensure a lack of ambiguity

@Catija With six bars?

3:03 AM

there's a SUPER slight gradient

@Ano Yeah... with the gradient from grey to orange.

@JourneymanGeek No, the corner is not the same.

I'd like to see a sticker that looks like this:

.....

Maximum Professionalism™

is that the dyslexic edition or the we hate you but we cannot say so edition?

3:06 AM

What?

Now, how else would I know of the post that houses these images?

@Ano That font is awful.

KILL IT!!!

Then why didn't Microsoft Bob use it? After all, Comic Sans was invented specifically for use with Microsoft Bob. — user215114 Nov 12 '13 at 5:58

some dyslexics find comic sans easier to read

I personally favour Arial or the source family of fonts.

(since grumble its impossible to obtain what I consider to be the 'perfect' dyslexic font)

Nov 15 '13 at 1:46, by jmac

@gparyani Definitely didn't mean to offend you with the answer -- attracting eyes generally helps a question. And a good way to attract eyes on meta is to be witty in meta-style. I wasn't seriously proposing using Comic Sans, I just wanted to propose a ridiculous solution to the problem.

@Catija ^^

@Shog9 Does R&E count under "rejected" or "improved" under "[user] approved [x] edits and rejected [y] edits and improved [z] edits"? How about prior "Improve" actions where the user unchecked "suggested edit was helpful"?

3:24 AM

...what?

Reject and Edit?

Reject and edit is what it says - it rejects when you submit an edit

@Ano Considering the first word there is "reject" I"m going to go with "reject".

@Shog9 So it counts as a "rejected" edit? What about older ones where one clicked "Improve" and unchecked "suggested edit was helpful"?

I don't recall how or if the actions prior to its introduction were indicated, or if they were indicated at all. They don't entirely map cleanly to the new actions - you couldn't really reject and edit.

you could search SEDE for this & try to figure it out

3:36 AM

Again, I would appreciate it if I got a reply or ping whenever you respond to one of my messages. I'd prefer to be notified of that.

I'm doing multiple things at once, from multiple browsers on three different machines including my phone. If I have to put more thought into this, I won't put any.

If I reply tomorrow to a message posted now, it will definitely have a reply arrow next to it for context; so, that becomes a self-solving problem.

4:52 AM

@Shog9 "4-year degree in Meta Minutiae"...am I close to earning one, if you regard my anonymous edits?

@Ano from the University of Pedantry?

He came up with that phrase

I'm not sure its something to be proud of ;p

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307616/…

@JourneymanGeek It's something I'm personally proud of

5:13 AM

@ShadowWizard chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/54482/…

5:26 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307619/…

cc @JourneymanGeek

5:37 AM

looks like OP darwinated it himself

That seems to be happening more often after I started leaving canned comments on off-topic posts

@JourneymanGeek "Darwinated"...?

well, clearly that post was not adapted enough to survive.

@TravisJ What's up?

Have you voted in my username poll?

@Ano Starting my second shift.

@Ano I reviewed it, but had no input.

@JourneymanGeek Have you voted?

5:40 AM

nope.

Do you want to vote?

Nope?

No problem.

If I have something to say, I will say it :)

6:14 AM

My office's internet dies. Great.

(now using personal hotspot)

6:26 AM

Hello @ArtOfCode

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/q/307620/135565

Pseudohuman's gone again

@JourneymanGeek Couldn't close vote, so I just tried all the others... upvote, downvote, delete vote, reopen vote... we will see who wins.

user202362

6:56 AM

@HTTP usually people just use their phones, but good try ...

7:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek

Deja-vu

►

status-done

status-Hammered-by-Friend

@M.A.R. I am. Not enough sex questions there so I'm out.

:P

@ShadowWizard consider-for-reopening-pls OP has edited it with an explanation as to why it's not a dupe, since I posted that message.

Plus... I'm pretty sure most, if not all, such questions there are 100% fake, with 0% of real things in them, i.e. someone making up a story. For me it removes the desire to help, since it's no different than trolling. @M.A.R.

@Ano oh. Right... reopened. Well, at least it removed the other close votes...

@Ano it's just a bot

@ShadowWizard I know.

oh

7:34 AM

@ShadowWizard heh, more or less why I stick to the tech sites

(and cooking, and pets, and world building and...)

7:45 AM

@ShadowWizard How about this one, which is kinda archived on the meta?

user202362

my bushwalking buddy told me that I should be socialized more ...

M.A.R.

@TelautonomousKitty don't chickens count?

user202362

chickens socialize amongst themselves

@TelautonomousKitty like rabbits?

user202362

like you can't have privacy when surrounded by 20 other people

user202362

7:57 AM

unlike the internet, where you can have private discussions publicly

user202362

archived forever for everyone who wants to find out

@JourneymanGeek This place would fall apart without seasoned advice.

@TravisJ heh, I think its the channel I've seen the widest array of CMs on ;p

user202362

ITT we discuss list of CMs vs array of CMs

user202362

better still, a stack of CMs

8:05 AM

CM overflow...

they're all correct ;p

@JourneymanGeek yeah, pretty lame to make up stories about food or pets.... ;)

@ShadowWizard people can/do do that

@HTTP what about it? Yes, that's what I was talking about, and looks like that troll isn't the only one.

(troll might be strong, but like I said for me posting fake stories on IPS is trolling)

@ShadowWizard or on workplace...

or that guy on travel

8:09 AM

@JourneymanGeek that guy?

air-travel legal uk airport-security hand-luggage london british-airways

Ulkoma, London, United Kingdom

4.2k 8 36 76

there's also a fairly infamous guy on workplace

@JourneymanGeek what about him? Looks like ordinary user with lots of good questions. confused

@ShadowWizard gold bars? bazookas?

You mean all his questions are made up?

@JourneymanGeek sorry, lost you on this one... :/

....

@ShadowWizard it is likely, yes

8:16 AM

troll posting a good question is like... spammer posting a good answer?

@HTTP not when it's personal site, where people sympathize with the author and it affects voting and answers.

yup

... like that cashier post... (not trolling, but heated)

cashier post?

@ArtOfCode another use for your .... new web app

;p

8:25 AM

shouldihookupwithmybarista.com/cashier

</self-promotion>

that's also a thing

"This HNQed, I should ask the question with a boat"

"Should I hook up with my friend's boat?"

shouldihookupwithmybarista.com/secret%20santa

now you go

Feb 26 at 4:41, by HTTP

> Congratulation, you got a match with Community♦!

@TravisJ s/ /-/g

@ArtOfCode it works though, on Chrome :/

8:38 AM

it'll work, but it's not a friendly URL if it's got a space in it :P

It's not a space, it is a %20

John Dvorak

%20 is just a space

Is it though?

What's in a space?

shouldihookupwithmybarista.com/…

wow, that URL looks bad

I love that that actually works

8:41 AM

needs moar diacritics.

A: What is the meaning of "he is late on his front"?

10:37 AM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307628/…

user202362

11:49 AM

@HTTP how do you date community, is it like going hiking with your bushwalk group?

user315433

-2

No. He is late means he is death. He died.

user315433

Try not to be late, folks.

user202362

not even sign community with today's date?

user202362

maybe community is dated back to when it's formed, but when is it conceived?

Better to be late, mr motorist, than late mr motorist? ;p

12:04 PM

@FTP some of us need strong motivators?

I'm sure death dying would put a crimp on his... job

user202362

12:18 PM

death has eternal life and absolute power over everyone

12:42 PM

delvote-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307629/should-i-upvote-spam

1:08 PM

@JourneymanGeek no, and we can't. It's not closed so it's not possible to cast a delete vote, plus it's a legit discussion. It should not be deleted.

wth?! ^

1:26 PM

@ShadowWizard the answer ;p

but its self deleted soooo

meh, my bad?

ya my bad, shoulda linked the answer >_>

@JourneymanGeek ... what answer?

oh

@JourneymanGeek ^

nice feature... save time...

@ShadowWizard MY BAD ._.

instead of telling "search for bad answer"... direct link.....

:D

@JourneymanGeek bad dog! :P

Q: What's the story with this user

2:58 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307638/…

gnat

76

I refer you to one user's exceptionally exciting life: Jan 17: Gets fired by an intoxicated boss, but just went back to work anyway to find out he has a new manager Jan 26: Wasted a lot of time at work making an inappropriate video about themselves as a "joke" for their new manager ...

discussion asking-questions

canon

3:44 PM

@gnat I'm surprised we haven't noticed more of this on the network.

5:22 PM

I find the OpenID post somewhat confusing. If I'm currenly logging in with an email and password that is indicated on My Logins as Stack Exchange, am I impacted by the ending of OpenID support? Only if I use openid.stackexchange.com to logon somewhere else, say outside of the SE network, right?

user315433

Same question here, I think it should be posted there on meta. I distinctly recall going to openid.se site in the process, so the fact of it being deprecated makes me worry.

user315433

My understanding was that when I provided (totally fake) email and password, an OpenId was created for me by SE. Was that since converted to another form of auth?

Can both of you check what's listed on your profile's My Logins? Mine says "Stack Exchange" with an email address, which when I tried to add the same e-mail address, it's said that it has been used.

I don't/can't remember if I created SE OpenID before though...

But I still remember that I added e-mail login (SE OpenID???) in 2013, when my office blocked Google for login on SE

5:39 PM

@HTTP This is what I have for Kenny: i.stack.imgur.com/lLxv8.png and that also gave me access to that Openid endpoint: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251788/…

@rene pretty much the same

I'm really confused, too... All I have is a Google Login that I don't use... I only added it so that CMs could see my Gmail address, which is the one I use, rather than my junk mail address which is the one I have for logging in.

I guess SE creates both e-mail login and its OpenID at the same time

because I can't add the same email again with their provided login-add link

@HTTP that is what needs to be verified / confirmed

@JF SE OpenID accounts are really email/pw accounts handled through complicated OpenID code path. They will be migrated to a more simple email/pw only code path as a part of this change. No extra work required on your part. — Joe Friend ♦ 5 mins ago

this?

Anonymous

5:45 PM

email/password and SEOpenID are the same system, just a different UI.

@HTTP sounds like it

But why don't email/PW logins show up on the list of logins?

@Catija they should? See my screenshot earlier (here: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6746513#6746513)

Q: Should we initiate assisted dying?

They don't...

I promise, I've logged in more recently than May of 2016.

user315433

2

Health.SE is dying. Continuing the medical analogies, we are suffering from multiple organ failure: bad questions bad answers not enough activity by experienced users not enough experienced users We are slowly entering dangerous territory where bad answers (like a recent example from me) gath...

discussion termination-of-site

user315433

5:49 PM

Health is death. Health died.

@Catija Hmm, maybe logins are per site? How does it look on your main site?

Anonymous

@Catija Urg. This is going to be a mess to clean-up. It might be suppressing the SEOID because it has the same address as the Google one. (Is that the case?) I hope it's at least tracking it as a separate credential internally, not just ephemerally.

Anonymous

Gonna be some nasty migrations... mind you, they couldn't possibly be nastier than the HandleSuccess() crap this will get rid of.

@JeremyBanks nope. Other account is yahoo

@rene seems the same.

Anonymous

@Catija Well, that's concerning. :/

6:05 PM

@Catija Okay, ... I leave you with this (to support Jeremy's analysis) ...

@JeremyBanks I have both Google login and SE login with the same Gmail, and both are shown...

user315433

6:22 PM

Any opinion on webapps.stackexchange.com/a/115162 - I flagged NAA but it does look spammy, too. Is there a history of howtoget.wiki links?

John Dvorak

it looks spammy to me as well

the user put that domain on their profile's link, so... undisclosed affiliation?

6:55 PM

@gnat lol that is a systemic problem here at the...loosely interpreted exchanges.

Never going to get fixed.

On the other hand, your proposal of Soap Opera Plots Stack Exchange has been accepted as a new name for the Workplace.

7:22 PM

@rene chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/172556/…

@JeremyBanks So... Actually, I used to have FB connected to my SE account and that used the same email as the one that's gone missing... so, sounds like you're right.

7:39 PM

Facebook ruins everything

2

Anonymous

RIP mini-sites.

@Shog9 You have your own login credentials for your website?

@Catija I used to

Keep in mind, I've kinda been here a while

when SO first launched, there was no SE OpenID

To log in, you had to have an external OpenID provider

Anonymous

This is hardly the first or only case, but the existence of the IOTA site irritates me because the IOTA developers and community are in a big ongoing fight with every credibly security researcher in this space. Their behaviour is awful, anti-intellectual, and delusionally arrogant. They have ignored all existing research, and tried to reinvent the world from first principles without applying any of the hard-earned knowledge of the last decades, and have produced an awful mess.

At the time, you could use LiveJournal (who kinda invented it?), or MyOpenID or... maybe Yahoo? There were a bunch of others at various times.

OR, you could set up your own

You could even have what was known as a delegated OpenID through your own domain, where you'd log in with, say, LiveJournal but the site you were logging into saw "shog9.com" or "shog9.com/knives" or "shog9.com/happylittlesockpuppet"

Which was very convenient

Anonymous

7:51 PM

IOTA developers: rather than using a one of the standard hash functions that has had thousands of manhours poured into it, we'll invent our own, which is defined in base 3 (because it's theoretically more efficient than base 2), and tuned by an "AI" that we also invented. The result was not secure, so they moved the goalposts on security. At which point it became clear that they didn't even have a coherent security or decentralization model. Still "worth billions", though!

Because when it worked properly, you could switch up the underlying provider without having to update your logins on every destination site: MyOpenID dying? No prob - switch up your delegation to LiveJournal and ... do nothing else. All your sites just keep working.

I don't know how to communicate just now nice that was back then.

Every other site was like, "hey, give us your email address and password and username and ... and we'll let you log in, and maybe not lose your password but probably will spam you and sell your personal info"

Anonymous

https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain#Delegating_your_do‌main_to_stackexchange

SO was, "hey, give us an opaque ID and nothing else - we'll defer handing your actual credentials to a 3rd-party of your choice and only send you emails if you later decide to give us a valid email address"

Anonymous

Delegation was awesome. I'm sad that's been lost. :(

For me at least, that was a major reason to give Jeff & Co the benefit of the doubt about their new service.

I didn't have to trust them with anything else. They didn't beg for more info, or demand it, or really do anything to make it necessary in order to be a first-class user - I provided content and as much or as little personal info as I felt appropriate, and the system respected that.

7:56 PM

2 days ago, by Ano

@Shog9 I need your help in reproducing a bug. Can you please act as a regular mod and edit the edit summary of this revision to "This edit summary was edited by a moderator."?

Now days, with everyone's dirty laundry hung out on Facebook | Twitter | Instagram for the world to see... I guess that's not much of a motivation for most folks.

But back in '08, it was killer.

Anonymous

That, plus the licensing, sent a very different message than the alternatives out there. It was inspiring.

It was like... "Hey, here's a site that actually respects me. Not just lip service, but actions."

Anonymous

And Jeff was a great spokesperson for that side of things, even if he may not have been a perfect ace in ongoing community management.

Probably depends to some degree on the types of users, too... More users like me who wouldn't even know how to set that up in the first place... less demand for it?