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10:07 PM
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10:25 PM
Didn't there used to be a Stack Exchange site for startups?
 
there did
 
was it deleted?
Lame!
The content there was really useful
Ridiculous! It shouldn't be deleted, it is way above the bar from other exchanges.
Like communitybuilding.stackexchange.com, which generally produces very questionable subjects anyway, like how to poison who cities.
12k users, 1.2 questions per day, 91% answer accept rate. Way above more than a dozen other sites.
@Shog9 - What is the process for appealing the closure of Startups?
 
@TravisJ twice
 
@TravisJ AFAIK, there ain't one
 
10:41 PM
The original one's stats were even more impressive
18k users, 4.9 questions per day, 98% answer accept rate
wtf....
That would be like closing code golf... or anime... it makes absolutely no sense.
 
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@TravisJ The original one got imported in brightjourney.com which subsequently died like fish out of water.
 
@FTP What is your point? There is no user base there of course it would fail.
 
user315433
That it had some viability at first was due to someone being able to crack gravatar hashes in the dump and invite existing users to the new site.
 
Let's just leave it at it had no viability at brightjourney.
Stack exchange has millions of users, brightjourney had no chance.
 
user315433
Okay, forget brightjourney.
 
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10:51 PM
Nobody wanted to moderate Startups.
 
user315433
So they got the death notice which is pretty similar to the one Productivity has now.
 
It was closed 2 months ago, was there an election near that time?
 
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Q: Personal Productivity Stack Exchange will be closing on March 6th

animusonWe recently opened a call for new moderators to step up and help lead this site, which was met with a few upvotes and a lot of tumbleweeds rolling by. Given the non-existent interest there, we were forced to look more closely at the health of this site and whether this community is suitable to co...

 
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(Of course, I can't link to the Startups version of that as it's offline)
 
user315433
@TravisJ It was a beta, no elections. A CM put up a call for volunteers. There weren't any.
 
10:53 PM
I would have moderated it to keep it open :(
Is that what happened to the first version as well?
Are meta posts included in the data dump from area51?
 
user315433
I think someone from here submitted it to Wayback. I should do the same with the Productivity post.
 
user315433
And yes, meta is a part of the data dump.
 
user315433
First startups trajectory was more or less the same, although at the time I was inclined to guess that Joel (who was active in v1) got annoyed with something there.
 
user315433
Startups v1 was an imported site, originally answers.onstartups.com (sad panda). The site onstartups.com still exists outside of SE.
 
11:02 PM
An imported site? You mean the original questions and answers did not come from Stack Exchange users?
 
user315433
I think it was SE 1.0 site, started elsewhere using SE software and then migrated.
 
user315433
But for most of its life it was an SE network site.
 
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So... how will all that knowledge (Startups v1, Startups v2, Productivity) fare in the post-SE internet?
 
What a shame all of that content is essentially wiped from the internet.
 
user315433
11:07 PM
Yes, a zip file and the quantum foam of shady mirror sites
 
I did download the dump, so it is available by some pretty specific inspection.
But still, google will never find it for example.
 
user315433
Is there a non-shady SE mirror site?
 
Hm? You mean for the data dump?
 
user315433
There are all those scrapers mirroring SE pages to get search traffic.
 
user315433
Sometimes within the license scope, sometimes not.
 
11:09 PM
Oh, I see, a non shady scraper? Nope. Not that I have seen.
They all just grab all they can get and remove all the credit or attempt to internalize the credit from what I have observed.
I have probably reported 4 of them using the contactus form
 
user315433
So... nobody has a post-SE strategy for knowledge preservation. :(
 
user315433
Theoretically, anyone can put up the content at least a static HTML pages. In practice... maybe someone already did, we wouldn't know.
 
Yup, and even if someone wanted to, a third party benefactor, they would need explicit permission to do so as it could constitute plagiarism and a violation of the cc with attribution if it is not possible attribute to an existing location.
 
No it wouldn't. As long as you keep the usernames with the post, that's attribution enough for the CC license.
 
Well at least you explained the why of it, but still, it is saddening to see that happen. There should be more warnings for a site, like a hit to the global inbox of every 200+ rep user, if it is going to be shut down.
 
11:21 PM
You can repatriate content as much as you want; the Open Science beta that closed has done that, to ask-open-science.org
 
@ArtOfCode - Skeptical.
 
@TravisJ trust me, I do this a lot
 
@TravisJ that isn't organic though.
 
It's true, it isn't.
But then again, why even post if you are going to let it organically die?
If an exchange is going to be deleted, whispering into a dark corner isn't exactly an attempt at making a change.
 
Cause a healthy community has sustained interest.
At least a small core set of users willing to moderate
 
11:28 PM
Their main moderator needed some time off and the site was deleted.
 
See 'main moderator' in itself is a problem
 
Not all sites are composed of community members who are familiar with the style of moderation expected at Stack Exchange.
To me, it had potential, and it is a waste to delete content like that.
 
user315433
@JourneymanGeek Those things are true for a finite time period. One may be willing to moderate, but not for the lifetime.
 
That means you have two other mods who lost interest
 
Now we are getting into the whole who watches the watchman thing.
Who ensures Moderators actually do their job?
 
11:32 PM
@FTP hence core set. It can change
 
A moderator was inactive for a year and no one appointed a new one.
 
@TravisJ there's a whole meta on that
@TravisJ in theory the mods and CMs
 
Unfortunate to blame the community for a mod or CM failure.
 
user315433
The ever-shrinking and overstretched Community team... unpaid mods who didn't sign up to handle flags until their dying day.
 
But communities can handle many of these things. You primarily need mods for more unusual situations
@FTP .... I thought they get paid....
Mods? That's about all we're essential for.
@TravisJ the mod replacement process is mostly moderator initiated
And ya - that's a situation where it breaks
@FTP well,it wasn't as shrunk then?
 
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11:50 PM
At least one person has post-SE content strategy: George A. Duckett
 
user315433
Hm. Searching for "George A Duckett startups" I find that this book was available on Amazon and in other places but... was removed everywhere.
 
Heh. I knew it was the books guy.
 
@JourneymanGeek yup, I recognised the name without even following the link :P
pretty sure he's done that for basically every remotely popular site
 
user315433
Yes. But see, his ebook on Startups could actually be useful now.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Skype two way screen sharing by Gutsyn Ralyzed on apple.SE
 
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11:53 PM
Borderline, flagged VLQ
 
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