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Félix Gagnon-Grenier

12:10 AM

@SFTP apparently Montreal's F1 circuit is some kind of rock star circuit, but I literally never went to see any race

Journeyman Geek

@SFTP how long before someone complains being told they are condescending is condescending?

user202362

Sep 9 '16 at 6:33, by Telkitty

I think 'social herding websites' is a more accurate term for 'social networking websites'

user202362

18 months before the facebook incident

user315433

The heartfelt tune it plays is CC licensed, and you can get it from my seed on JoinDiaspora.com whenever that project gets going.

user315433

Published in May 2010

user202362

12:26 AM

Feb 6 at 1:12, by Tel autonomous Kitty

2018 is the year of global stock and property price correction?

user202362

user202362

there are people who can figure out how the variables in this world is working better than you, they might or might be autistic

user202362

always remember, super intelligent people can figure out how to get what they want with least effort

HTTPS

12:55 AM

Happy...

user202362

for extra happiness, I need to squeeze my chickens a little

user202362

but I have to catch them first

user202362

so instead, I am going into clinic to fix my broken foot/leg

Journeyman Geek

ow.

user310756

1:33 AM

user310756

@Taryn here's one for you :)

user310756

@TelKitty hi \o

user310756

I'm off to my horses - wish you were here

HTTPS

1:46 AM

okay, I'm now fully awake. What did I type? "Happy..."? bah...

user202362

2:54 AM

@YvetteColomb hey, probably come and visit when I swing by your way in a month's time :p

user315433

3:37 AM

@SmokeDetector fp-

Sonic Wizard

4:23 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308317/…

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308316/…

When do we use the off-topic close reason "this question does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community"?

user202362

@Shog9 How many kg of CM for every 100,000 users nowadays?

Sonic Wizard

@TelKitty What?

user202362

yeah it's usually calculated (total weight of CMs)/((total number of users/100,000))

Sonic Wizard

@TelKitty You're expecting them to check their weight? What about for us Americans who measure weight in pounds?

user202362

4:39 AM

you need to think more abstractly

user310756

@TelKitty oooh maybe we'll have the foal then :)

user202362

:D

user315433

@SonicWizard When it's a rant that serves no purpose other than venting the author's emotions.

Sonic Wizard

Oh, they used to use "not constructive" for that. So basically, it would be the old case for "not constructive" where "primarily opinion-based" doesn't apply.

@SFTP Out of curiosity, what were your first thoughts about the anonymous editor?

user315433

5:00 AM

I don't review on Meta

user315433

> You’ll worry less about what people think about you when you realize how seldom they do.

user202362

actually, the less you worry about what people think of you, the more they tend to think about you

user202362

probably because people tend to pay more attention toward less conventional people

user202362

and less conventional people tend to not care about what others think of themselves

Sonic Wizard

Well, actually, the reason I was asking is because @SFTP was engaged a lot in discussions over who the anonymous editor was, and was the one who eventually unmasked me.

@TelKitty I'm less conventional and I care what others think of me.

If you noticed...

user202362

5:14 AM

@SonicWizard less conventional, in what ways?

Sonic Wizard

Feb 1 at 12:58, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@bluefeet I'm A-spec

user202362

quoting self is conventional

Sonic Wizard

Mar 3 at 3:14, by Ano

Anyway, I've said this a few times now, I'm on the autism spectrum, which makes me lose sight of congeniality from time to time, and gives me special interests (like being voraciously hungry for knowledge of the exact mechanics of how the SE network works)

Backgammon

Which direction do I look if I don't have cast reopen, and think someone else's question was wrongly voted as a dupe?

user202362

@SonicWizard you don't seem autistic, you ping others a lot

Sonic Wizard

5:19 AM

@TelKitty Okay, here's one truly unconventional thing. Apparently, a lot of people get annoyed when I reply to them during back-and-forth conversations, like this. However, I actually prefer it, for many reasons.

Backgammon

seems to me that I can 1. ping the close voters, 2. post on meta, or 3. beg and scrape in chat

Sonic Wizard

@Backgammon I'd recommend a meta post asking why the post was closed, and why you think it's not a dupe

user202362

@Backgammon please elaborate on the begging part, then we can help you deciding

Backgammon

consider this an "unofficial" solicitation of opinions then

we've got this here: superuser.com/questions/892464 and the question it supposedly duplicates: superuser.com/questions/71974

Sonic Wizard

Mar 3 at 2:41, by Ano

Anyway, alright: You, Catija, and Journeyman Geek expressed that you don't want me to reply in the middle of conversations. So I won't do it to you guys, and possibly not to others. But I genuinely prefer it if others did it to me; I find it annoying if others don't do it.

Backgammon

5:24 AM

now when it says "exact duplicate" I assume it means "exact" and the marked question sure isn't an exact duplicate because it doesn't address #2 of the original question, and in any case isn't satisfactorily answered (see: arguing in comments of accepted answer)

Sonic Wizard

@Backgammon I'll tell you something: anonymously editing in an explanation into one of them saying it's not a duplicate will not work. Source: personal experience.

@SmokeDetector tpu-

user202362

I think if you are consistent with your begging, you might get it reopened

user202362

@Backgammon although not with these two, they are exact the same thing

user202362

it's like testing (a==a)

Backgammon

half of the closed question is the same, the other half (size reduction over time) is unique, useful, and unanswered

so if we mean exact, this sure ain't exact

Sonic Wizard

5:32 AM

@Backgammon Point that out in your reopen-request on MSU. By the way, I ran into a similar case on the same site:

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Q: Request to reopen question 660409

A while ago, I asked this question, which got marked as a duplicate. It originally contained two questions, of which the first was answered by both this question's and the target question's answers. However, the second was never answered. I have edited the question to only contain the second. Can...

I know that now. Did you notice that I edited it to contain just one question? — gparyani Oct 17 '13 at 20:52

@gparyani: From what I can tell, you removed the part of the question that the existing answers relate to. Which is very counter-productive and one of the reasons why posts should contain a single question to begin with. When drastically changing the content of your question, you make it less useful to future visitors. And having straight-forward questions with useful answers if one of the main goals of this platform. — Oliver Salzburg Oct 17 '13 at 21:02

Backgammon

interesting.

Sonic Wizard

5:52 AM

@TelKitty If you have time, feel free to read the (in my opinion far too drawn-out) chat:

Pinging users, autism, replying in conversations, etc.

Mar 2 at 22:36, 7 hours 21 minutes total – 400 messages, 10 users, 7 stars

Bookmarked 1 min ago by Sonic Wizard

user315433

@SmokeDetector gone

Sonic Wizard

6:17 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

user202362

@SFTP you are within walking distance to steal NY SE staff's pets?

user202362

1 day's walking distance

Journeyman Geek

6:43 AM

@Backgammon Posting in meta used to work for me, when I was a regular user

also the rounding error problem gets asked a lot

Sonic Wizard

7:12 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Glorfindel

7:38 AM

delv-pls 20k blatantly off-topic: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308310/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308321/c-script-convert-to-php

rene

8:18 AM

@Glorfindel all gone now

@Shog9 There is an MSO post about a work-here job. Maybe that needs an SE Staff comment as well. I tried to explain what I think is the best way forward. That work-here page is missing guidance when you want to make a inquiry first.

The question is closed and has enough down votes to be deleted, which didn't went unnoticed by the OP.

rene

10:10 AM

I find the literal screenshots always amusing

Journeyman Geek

oh gawd, those

Journeyman Geek

12:48 PM

@TelKitty looks like a second batch of swag went out. 15 people still need to get theirs shipped tho

HTTPS

12:59 PM

on which site should I ask how to train discerning 2 or above on-going conversation at the same time? ~~Personal Productivity~~??? CogSci? Lifehacks?

otherwise, I'd just ask it on ConLang, and lastly MSE :)

user202362

1:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek how did you know this?

Journeyman Geek

1:31 PM

Updated meta post?

Journeyman Geek

1:53 PM

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A: What happened to that contest swag I was promised?

Moose Contest about Hats or Something (December 2017) Status: Submission Process, Some Shipped Contact: animuson Just posting this here as a reference point for everyone. The form was closed on February 12ᵗʰ to allow a few others who didn't receive the initial email. We're still in the process ...

India seems to be a terrible place to ship things to

Journeyman Geek

2:23 PM

→ 19 messages moved to Chimney

@HTTPS I learnt that from semi busy small community IRC channels

HTTPS

ah, in textual representation...

my problem is with vocal conversation in office environment -_-

Journeyman Geek

ah

talking or listening?

Sounds like an IPS question ;)

HTTPS

more to listening

Journeyman Geek

ah, that's hard

humans arn't designed for that.

HTTPS

yeah, I think it's a given skill instead of something that can be trained...

Journeyman Geek

2:30 PM

Well its possible to train yourself to tune into one conversation

but that's kinda more "audiophile listening training" ;p

picking out one voice or instrument

and that's hard too.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

3:20 PM

@rene the ones where it looks like the screen is raining on the screen

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Disable DRM in Evince by Little on superuser.com

Shadow Wizard

4:08 PM

@JourneymanGeek Israel too. Once I got pair of shoes whole year after I ordered it.

(it travelled around the whole world, as it turned out.)

Wait.. you in India?? Though Singapore, @Journeyman

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What are the characteristics of kerala mAntrikam? by Gautam on hinduism.SE

Shadow Wizard

@rene heh, I get it a lot at my work from clients. :/

HTTPS

!!/report hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/26185/2461 hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/26186/2461 hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/26187/2461

SmokeDetector

Post 1: Already recently reported [ [MS](https://m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/26185) ]
Post 2: Already recently reported [ [MS](https://m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/26187) ]
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Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector why link to mobile domain? /cc @Andy @rene

SmokeDetector

4:12 PM

@ShadowWizard That's not a report.

Shadow Wizard

lol

whoa

quartata

sd 4del

We all independently reported them it seems :P

sd del

Shadow Wizard

yeah... any idea why @Smokey links to "m." domain? It just redirects...

user315433

m' is short for metasmoke

user315433

Introduced because of the limit length in chat.

quartata

4:16 PM

technically any subdomain goes to metasmoke

Shadow Wizard

oh

thought mobile

HTTPS

4:38 PM

@SmokeDetector though the markdown seems broken :/

Sonic Wizard

5:11 PM

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308328/…

Unitato

Hello

Is it possible to make webhooks for SE sites?

I use discord as my messaging app, and I have webhooks for Facebook and Twitter to bring new posts feed being posted into the group. Is the same possible with SE sites? My wish was to create a feed for questions being posted.

John Dvorak

Can you use RSS?

Unitato

Hmm I havent heard of RSS before (I'm not really a proficient coder tbh)

Found it on Wikipedia, giving it a read, thanks for the tip tho

Will be a while before I figure out how it works.

John Dvorak

5:31 PM

It's just an XML dump of the latest content, with a well-defined format

RSS readers are tools that poll these dumps in regular intervals

Unitato

oh wow

But they are provided in XML and not JSON?

I'm not really equipped with the knowledge to convert XML to JSON

HTTPS

5:50 PM

@Unitato Seems there is 3rd-party Discord RSS bot like github.com/synzen/Discord.RSS/wiki/Starting-the-Bot, but you need to do some setup and it might be overwhelming for non-programmer

Unitato

Wow thanks, for the link.

I'm quite decent with JS tbh, I know just enough to code and run a discord bot, which involves npm, node, and basic JS.

HTTPS

good then :)

Glorfindel

6:18 PM

delv-pls 20k networkz meta.stackexchange.com/q/308328/295232

Sonic Wizard

6:32 PM

1 hour ago, by Sonic Wizard

delv-pls 20k+ https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308328/network-architecture-topology

@Glorfindel I said so first

Glorfindel

6:49 PM

@SonicWizard ah, sorry. I didn't see any delete votes yet, so I assumed nobody got to it yet and your message was just off the page for me.

Sonic Wizard

8:51 PM

@Shog9 Is it true that moderators have access to more data than just the IP address to detect sock puppets, to not only see if one's from the same network, but also to see if the socks are being used on the same physical machine?

e.g. OS and browser information, Adobe Flash Player version, etc.

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Q: A acquaintance figured out a way to get me banned from StackExchange Sites

I use English Language Learners forums a lot. In fact, I was in the top 0.48% of reputation earners, but just a couple days ago, I was sitting in an English Lecture, when I noticed that a little of my reputation (about 40 pts) was gone. Almost immediately afterwards, I received a message from the...

support serial-voting account-suspension

Sonic Wizard

9:13 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ My acting compassionate is part of my strategy on dealing with this user, in order to pump them for info before an employee arrives. Acting up and accusing them of lying in the face is not going to help.

@πάνταῥεῖ Actually, it was good you did so, because then I could act like the "good cop".

Jon Ericson

@SonicWizard That's really not necessary. They can appeal the suspension by contacting us and we more insight into what happened. Arguing about it in the comments seems like a waste of effort.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard Well, I'm looking forward to open my surstomming can, and make that a pleasant feast for everybody ;-) ... (seems there's need for lotta onions, sour pickled cucumbers and sour cream :-D

Sonic Wizard

@SFTP That chart you prepared for SO mods? Can you please make one for SU and SF as well?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard I was never playing "good cop". I'm that bad black motherfucker, you've seen in "Pulp Fiction". Don't try to give me roles please.

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ Did you read my message fully?

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:21 PM

@SonicWizard Sure!

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ So who did I say was the "good cop"?

John Dvorak

@πάνταῥεῖ be careful that people reading the transcript don't take you seriously

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard There's no need for "good cops" ACAB

@JohnDvorak Yeah, I'm really afraid of that moment we'll going to open that can one day ;-) ...

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ We've had two documented cases where users started trolling MSE and accusing it of being bad, citing the (true) accusations as "evidence". I'm trying to see if my strategy would help ward this off.

Cortana, when asked what's its birthday: "Well, my birthday is April 2, 2014, so I’m really a spring chicken. Except I’m not a chicken." (cc @YvetteColomb @TelKitty )

πάντα ῥεῖ

Just to be clear: I'm in hold of swedish chemical weapons!

@Sonic Inviting @Yvette and @TelKitty sounds promising :-D ...

Sonic Wizard

9:29 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ You should open the can

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard Gotta have serious advice by swedish, experienced people first.

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:40 PM

Moral of the story: Even if we smell something something that's overly fishy, we can just consume and eat it, if enough onions, aquavit, and pickles are served with it ;-)

user315433

10:33 PM

Cryptocurrency opens so many business opportunities. First, you scam people out of their $; then, when they are desperate to get it back, you do it again.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

-16

Q: Does being mean really chase away trolls?

Many people here say being mean is essential to maintain SE quality. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/256051/6020907 Has this chased away all the 'bad/easy questions'? Or has it done the opposite. People say down-votes should not be taken personal. But I personally down-vote people I don't like,...

discussion quality

Well, not this one it seems

@SFTP lovely

user315433

"Troll" and "mean" are strong words. But... would not SO get a lot more "for loop isn't working, help" questions if it had the reputation of a beginner-friendly place?

user315433

If the "mean" reputation is what it takes to discourage those, that's fine with me.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

"beginner-friendly" doesn't attract experts as much as it drives them away with attracting homeworkers

Now I want a homeworker

Sounds yum

user315433

10:48 PM

> I warn my students: Do not ask StackOverflow, they are mean... but definitely use their answers... they're also smart. #CodeNewbie -- Aaron L Marks at 6:39 PM - 30 Aug 2017

user315433

Solid advice there.

user315433

Discourse has named user levels: Visitor → Novice → Regular → Leader → Elder

user202362

11:10 PM

@SonicWizard except a 4 year old chicken is fairly old

user202362

old spring chook

Pinging users, autism, replying in conversations, etc.

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