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Shadow Wizard

@forest is this a codename for something? ;)

fbueckert

The cynic in me says the changes coming down the pipe will be the easy things that help engage new users, while the tools to help curators properly curate content will be coming in, "6-8 weeks".

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert well not really much that would do either in profiles

profiles really is a tool for power users an gawkers

Shadow Wizard

@fbueckert And the other part in you?

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard The rest of me is debating packing it in.

Shadow Wizard

15:02

Lol

New idea: we should beg for bugs to be fixed. :D

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert honestly - I think the 'smart' stratergy here would be to port the old prodiles to the new one

@ShadowWizard if Q&A is the core product, more likely it would happen

fbueckert

@JourneymanGeek This isn't really related to the profiles thing @forest was talking about.

It was more just a general comment about my entire exhaustion about the whole, "welcoming" debacle.

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert actually I think that its a symptom of a lot of things.

and the welcoming debacle was just the summer of love again

fbueckert

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, which is why I'm exhausted about it. I feel SE is moving further and further away from the whole reason I joined.

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert which is?

fbueckert

15:12

Content quality.

All this focus on users means feelings are now more important than maintaining standards.

Bart

Not really. You just don't get to be an ass about the standards

Journeyman Geek

ah

tbh, content quality in the old days was... sometimes cringeworthy.

I actually think the big issue with how we deal with new users is that we really have no idea how to get them up to speed with the unusual way SE operates

fbueckert

@Bart There are tons of ways to maintain standards without being an ass. At no point am I advocating for being rude, mean, or an idiot to other users.

Journeyman Geek

and we're big enough that people will find here with no clue.

Bart

@fbueckert I'm not saying you are. Just that it's not some zero-sum feelings vs standards balance.

rene

15:15

@Bart I would star that would it not be that I don't want ass to show up on our starboard ...

Bart

@rene save your stars for an orphan who needs it most this time of year.

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Magisch has added ArtOfCode to the list of this room's owners.

Magisch

Please welcome @ArtOfCode to the team of Room owners everyone :D

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Bart

Talk about declining standards ... :p Welcome Art!

ArtOfCode

I am honoured to have this privilege bestowed upon me, etc etc... and my first action as ~~evil dictator~~ room owner will be to unpin my own message :)

Was thinking I should poke someone about that earlier :)

Magisch

15:17

efficient work-offloading

evil laughter

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode Always feel free to poke. Just expect to be poked even harder in return.

ArtOfCode

poke poke

Tinkeringbell

POKE POKE

Magisch

parrot beaks are pointy

Journeyman Geek

just not with a pointy stick

Tinkeringbell

15:20

@Magisch They're good for cracking tough nuts ;)

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell are you calling me a nut?

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode everyone in here is nuts

ArtOfCode

point

fbueckert

@Tinkeringbell It makes life more interesting.

Tinkeringbell

It does. You won't hear me complaining :)

fbueckert

15:22

Could you imagine how boring life would be if everyone was perfectly rational and logical?

Magisch

except about coworkers

:p

fbueckert

Vulcans. Booooooring.

Tinkeringbell

@fbueckert Ehhh. There would be even more arguments etc.

@Magisch Just 1 :P

I'm really glad there's not 2 of those running around!

Shadow Wizard

15:46

@JourneymanGeek summer of love with sharper teeth.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I don't think there's particularly any teeth

Shadow Wizard

Suspending unwelcoming users isn't considered using teeth?

Journeyman Geek

We've always done that

As far as MSE goes, the one difference is we're ostensibly neutral.

Shadow Wizard

Hmm...

Journeyman Geek

There may come a point though where we'll have to yell at an employee, and that will be.. interesting

and yes, I do actually think that's something we're expected to do if an employee is not nice.

Shadow Wizard

15:49

Yell at employee?? Plz elaborate! :)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Shadow Wizard

You mean Shog and the language he sometime using?

Journeyman Geek

Lemme quote Tim

> Sometimes, we as employees need to disengage, or dial it back, or whatever euphemism you want to use for calm the heck down and think about the goals and the people helping you meet them.

Shadow Wizard

@fbueckert sure. Did you watch Matrix?

Journeyman Geek

> Our appointed moderators will have full agency to correct any chain of correspondence that appears to be going off the rails, no matter who was originally driving the train

@ShadowWizard if you see it, flag it. ;p

this is a critical thing here.

and something a lot of people don't get it seems - that we're actually expected to go "Hey dude, not cool"

Cause I think the CM's are fairly familiar with my tendancy to politely bite ankles as needed.

Shadow Wizard

15:54

You mean when employee is being rude/unfriendly?

Journeyman Geek

yup

IDK what's the internal or external process

we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

oh in general

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls duplicate, both targets: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/320155/… (@Shadow)

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard Did you see Agent Smith?

It was perfectly logical and rational from the computer's perspective.

Then you introduce humanity, and all hell breaks loose.

Shadow Wizard

16:11

@fbueckert heh. Well I meant the scene where Smith says they made a perfect world for the humans (in their VR) and it resulted in mass suicides all over. :)

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard Yeah, that was the point. We don't want utopia.

Utopia is boring.

Shadow Wizard

People were just bored to death, literally.

fbueckert

The human condition is to struggle, to strive, the drive to meet and overcome challenges.

Without that...the human body just shuts down. See retired workaholics; they don't know what to do with themselves after retirement, and the body knows it.

Journeyman Geek

my dad just watches cricket the whole day and refuses to do anything he can avoid ;p

Shadow Wizard

Play poker with friends all day long? ;)

Journeyman Geek

16:17

that involves actual socialisation

fbueckert

As long as you have something you're passionate about. The body literally needs something to live for.

Bart

Cricket is cool though :D Well, if they're not test matches at least.

(blasphemy, I know)

Journeyman Geek

he watches those too

Bart

@JourneymanGeek I don't have the patience for those.

Journeyman Geek

They can test your patience yes

Journeyman Geek

18:01

Tonight is fun

/me has no idea what's happening elsewhere and is getting contradictory instructions from different teams...

Alex

I love contradictions.

ArtOfCode

No you don't

:P

Journeyman Geek

also the instructions we were given for the new servers don't work

Alex

Well I'm the top asker and the top answerer in contradiction.

judaism.stackexchange.com/tags/contradiction/topusers

Journeyman Geek

so I totally got a service account password over whatsapp at 2am

oh well, at least I'm awake

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