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Tinkeringbell

10:08 AM

@Derpy I think I might try ASMR :P

@ShadowWizard Not flexible enough for yoga. I'm a parrot!

Somewhat

@Tinkeringbell Yeah!! That is also good!

(sorry, ASMR maniac here...)

Tinkeringbell

I read about it in the news last Monday, I still have to try it. I'll look up something on youtube now :)

Oh wait, there was a vid in the news article.

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Derpy

10:22 AM

@Tinkeringbell argh... not that acronym...

Shadow Wizard

Autonomous sensory meridian response? Why not?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard search it on youtube, you will understand. It spawned a lot of very bad content.

Somewhat

well, maybe because sometime it's misleading? it has "sound fetish" as a synonym in Japan

Derpy

Precisely that. And obviously, youtube content is mostly of the second type.

Which wouldn't bother me, if Youtube first page wasn't even worse than our HNQ list

"Trending video"... yeah, "trending".

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy and tweeting at them dosen't help ;p

Shadow Wizard

10:29 AM

@Derpy all I see are videos with women.... whispering? I didn't really watch any yet, just saw titles and thumbnails. Why is this "very bad content"?

There is no nudity, nothing uncouth as far as I can see. Unless I miss something, as usual. :/

Derpy

@ShadowWizard sum that with the definition Somewhat gave before and you may get it.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I think ASMR should be about a lot more than just whispering, so it's just 'bad content' :P

That's the impression I got from the news article anyways

I must say the vid linked in the news article didn't really do anything for me personally, it was just whispering...

I think I might look up the ASMR sleep sounds on spotify tonight

Apparently besides whispering, it may also be other soft sounds, and I know do like some of the ones mentioned in the article ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell umm... maybe because you're a woman? Looks like it's meant for men who, well, like to hear female voice. No? Which now finally makes me see why @Derpy is correct. heh.

Somewhat

ASMR is actually the phenomenon when you hear something and you feel it

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat And it seems to be related to those areas of the brain that also are active when daydreaming

Shadow Wizard

10:34 AM

@Somewhat You can't feel something you hear, it's just technically and physically impossible. :)

Tinkeringbell

So people who aren't prone to daydreaming are less likely to like ASMR

Somewhat

but on the other hand......... Japan being as Japan...... there's also the dark side of that, which is considered as "voice drama"

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard turns up the bass and volume you were saying?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell that just cause everything to shake/vibrate, yeah.

Somewhat

combining that with... [uncouth] imagination, and you get Japan's user-created content

so, yeah... pure ASMR is actually SFW, but be very careful when browsing on YouTUbe recommendation~

Derpy

10:37 AM

@Somewhat trust me, the Japanese aren't the only ones.

forest

Most ASMR isn't Japanese.

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat doesn't YouTube remove uncouth contents?

Pretty sure people like @Derpy flag those, and with enough flags it's removed. Which is totally fine, I don't judge. :)

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard surprisingly, not really? Maybe uncouth video, but uncouth sound? no...

Derpy

@ShadowWizard the ways of youtube are weird. So, no, it doesn't always happen.

forest

They're barely able to remove uncouth videos as it is...

Shadow Wizard

10:39 AM

@Somewhat if the sound was made explicitly to... cause uncouth effects... well, it can be flagged just like any other uncouth content.

Somewhat

@Derpy actually, you're right, but I'm mostly on CJK side~

Shadow Wizard

I won't flag such things of course, but can understand those who might.

forest

@ShadowWizard I don't think ASMR is meant to do what you think it's meant to do.

Shadow Wizard

@forest I don't browse YT a lot, but when I do, don't see anything uncouth.

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard well, that's the problem... because one of the most controversial ASMR is... licking ear.

Shadow Wizard

10:41 AM

@forest yeah, at this point think I figured it out. ;)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard youtube isn't even capable to make its internal SEARCH ENGINE work (and guess what, it is even owned by a company that MAKES the most famous search engine on earth). You expect them to have working moderation?

Shadow Wizard

heh, good point.

@Somewhat ewwww... well that's just bizarre. lol

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard but with good microphone and good earphone, you could really feel it...

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat feel your ear being licked when you just hear others doing it? umm...

forest

I don't really get that specific kind of ASMR.

It makes no sense to me.

Somewhat

10:43 AM

well, this is the mic they usually use

Journeyman Geek

ah! Binaural mic

people do some cool things with those

Shadow Wizard

It's a head.

lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard it simulates what a person would hear

so sounds sound more "real"

Derpy

forest

The human brain does a lot of strange processing that enhances our auditory experience based on quite a number of things.

Journeyman Geek

10:44 AM

Ever been to those haunted hauses where you put on headphones and hear ghosts walking around you?

Somewhat

@Derpy okay :p

forest

So even having the shape of an ear for a microphone does a lot.

Shadow Wizard

How did we end up discussing ASMR here? Is it @Tinker's fault? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@forest and the distance between the mics

Somewhat

It's my fault actually, being an ASMR enthusiast :(

forest

10:45 AM

yep

Shadow Wizard

hehe I see

Let's see what Smokey thinks

!!/blame

forest

Fun fact: some deaf people have some basic echolocating abilities, sometimes even enough to locate objects as small as a basketball!

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Shog9's fault.

5

Shadow Wizard

oh my

Journeyman Geek

Clearly @Smokey... is not smarter than the average bear....

Derpy

10:46 AM

@forest this is an advertisement NHK did for the Paralympics games

Football 5-a-side | NHK Animation x Paralympic | Who is Your Hero?

►

forest

heh

Derpy

seems "anime superpowers" right?

well, guess what...

the real thing is just like that.

Yep, in a way that escapes my compression those players are actually able to play soccer. Even if they don't see.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Yes, my fault.

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard Yes, my fault.

forest

Oh wait I just realized I said deaf people can echolocate. I meant blind.

derp

Tinkeringbell

10:49 AM

All of us fault!

Journeyman Geek

@forest I was wondering about that....

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Mithrandir

11:37 AM

@Somewhat let's see

!!/blame᠎ ‌᠎‌⁣‌᠎

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@Mithrandir It's Somewhat's fault.

Tinkeringbell

Heh. My workdays are going real quick today! 'We need to perform this update, if you click 'postpone' you'll be asked again tomorrow'. I've already used 3 out of 5 postpone credits just today :/

Shadow Wizard

postpone credits???

Tinkeringbell

Attempts, credits, whatever you want to call it?
I can postpone this 5 times, I already used up 3 today

Which is kinda strange for a message that should pop up again tomorrow

Shadow Wizard

But what you postpone? Your deadlines?

rene

11:48 AM

postpone leaving for home

Tinkeringbell

Postpone an update that apparently should be done to my computer

Usually that means restarting it, and that is something I'd rather not do during work

rene

Oh, your machine is owned by sysadmins ....

sysadmins and their group policies ...

delv-pls 20k press meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317993/… /cc @ShadowWizard

Tinkeringbell

@rene Shh. Don't anger the sysadmins!

rene

well, I normally kill the processes that are required for group policies to work ...

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rene

11:54 AM

I'm used to angry sysadmins

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh lol... had no idea this can be limited. :P

> Update now! Or else sysadmin will arrive with a baseball bat and force you to update!

@rene but without policy... isn't there just Chaos? ;)

rene

sure, but normally these shops with sysadmins are geared to office workers, not to the needs of developers.

Journeyman Geek

@rene ALL WILL UPDATE! OR PERISH!

rene

EVIL U R ;)

Somewhat

CHAOS R US

rene

12:02 PM

I normally call the support guy to my workstation and then ask them: "can you run this command for me as an admin". After I have done this for the 10th time in a day I normally get the permissions I need ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene its more fun for us

forest

That sounds a little scary. Easy way to social engineer.

Journeyman Geek

We support an application but we don't have the rights we need

so... we need to call another vendor to log in

rene

@forest yes, I mastered that pretty well ...

@JourneymanGeek ugh ...

Tinkeringbell

@forest It kinda is the way to get people to say 'you know what, HERE! now you can do it yourself' over here.

If you don't, you never get anything done ;)

forest

12:06 PM

Or you can just ask them to run ldd on a carefully crafted binary...

And get things done without wasting their time by asking for root. :P

Shadow Wizard

@forest root? Pretty sure @rene works in Windows environments. It's either admin, or not admin. ;)

forest

Silly Windows users.

Shadow Wizard

@rene and then you go and format some production server by mistake.... :P

rene

yes ...

Shadow Wizard

kaboom! :D

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forest

Linked in another room: github.com/MorteNoir1/virtualbox_e1000_0day

Vbox 0day, only 18 hours old. Fun :D

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rene

cv-pls riemann again meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317997/…

Shadow Wizard

Again?

(already voted)

rene

@ShadowWizard metasmoke is full of it

Shadow Wizard

@rene of off topic questions about riemann?? Sorry, I don't follow.

The OP of that appears to be legit user on Math.SE with upvoted answer, not a spammer or troll.

rene

@ShadowWizard there were users (socks I suppose) that kept posting the same questions about their "proof" over and over again. That became abussive, suspensions, nuked accounts, etc

Shadow Wizard

1:05 PM

Also can't search metasmoke (search link does nothing) so can't really tell...

@rene oh, had no idea. Still, on MSE it's just off topic like all others.

Why is there "search" link and icon on metasmoke if they both don't do anything? Who can tell? :/

looking for meta.metasmoke.com

Magisch

Is anyone here good with teaching propositional logic and logical equations?

rene

@ShadowWizard uh, search in MS works for me?

@Magisch I guess normal human is :(

Shadow Wizard

@rene so probably it's IE only. :(

(no errors in console of Chrome either, links simply do nothing.)

oh, or maybe it's admin only. Assume you're logged there as admin? @rene

If so, better hide those links for anonymous visitors like me. ;)

rene

@ShadowWizard does this work for you: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/… ?

Mithrandir

Works for me, I'm not signed in at the moment

Shadow Wizard

1:11 PM

@rene oh. Yes. So I must manually go to metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/search. Thanks!

rene

yw

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I found a slideshow! cs.cmu.edu/~emc/15414-f12/lecture/propositional_logic.pdf

Mithrandir

Written by your co-mod! :P

Tinkeringbell

I was able to get through the first few quite easily, though the symbols aren't making life easier.

What are you trying to figure out?

Magisch

Our apprentice has a test coming up and the vocational school is useless in providing exercises

and while i'm passable at solving propositional logic problems, I'm not passable at putting them forward

Tinkeringbell

1:14 PM

Ah. I don't think I have any exercises ready anywhere, sorry.

Perhaps the co-mod that wrote those slides has ;)

Shadow Wizard

heh, some people taking Role Playing games bit too far, I'll say. lol

I never played as adult so didn't even have chance to look into this side of RPG, but still, wouldn't believe such things can be part of the game. :)

@Mithrandir Edmund M. Clarke is mod on SE??

John Dvorak

Why too far?

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak too far into details I mean, actually. :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I roll for protection!

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell but they also need to roll every 30 seconds when... doing it... and if it's 1 or 2, the protection breaks. Then "save roll" to decide if they notice. Etc etc... it never ends... lol

Tinkeringbell

1:24 PM

@ShadowWizard Okay. Protection spells then? :P

Shadow Wizard

LOL

Tinkeringbell

And time to switch topic before we make this room too uncomfortable! :P

Mark Amery

@Tinkeringbell IIRC, HPMoR did in fact have contraceptive spells

Shadow Wizard

Might be too late! cast Change Topic spell

Tinkeringbell

HPMoR?

(I've never played an RPG)

Or does pretending to be a parrot count?

Shadow Wizard

1:27 PM

Counts!

Mark Amery

Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality - a somewhat controversial Harry Potter fanfic by Eliezer Yudkowsky set in an alternate universe with a super-intelligent Harry

(and which is apparently notable enough to have its own tag! scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/…)

the rather serious moral implications of "love potions" existing in the HP universe were also explored :P

(briefly)

anyway, that's my contribution to this room for this lunchtime. I'll get back to work and leave y'all to your D20s and pregnancies.

Shadow Wizard

lol

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard Was a joke - it shows up as "emc" in the URL, and one of the IPS mods is Em C.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir ohhhhhh lol! Had no way to know. :D

Since we do have professors here (e.g. Normal Human) well, having one as mod is possible. :)

Oh wait, maybe that professor is Norm? He never really revealed his real identity.... ;)

...or not. Doubt someone with a Wikipedia page about him will waste his time on SO/SE chat.

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Journeyman Geek

lol

Shadow Wizard

1:37 PM

I mean... non staff. Jeff and Joel have pages...

Tinkeringbell

Adds goal [get a wiki page] to list [achievements]

Journeyman Geek

I'll settle for relative anonymity ;)

Shadow Wizard

lol

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1:51 PM

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rene

@JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizard see here about this delete. Following that, care to undelete? Thoughts?

Journeyman Geek

@rene it was a great big infodump of something that I don't think anyone but people on math would understand....

rene

I agree on that but that might be caused because I jumped the gun, no?

Shadow Wizard

@rene it's off topic on MSE, should be posted on math meta, so really can't see any reason to undelete.

Journeyman Geek

naw

I saw that independantly

user392547

1:57 PM

@JourneymanGeek I thought that it should be closed because it applies only to math. Wouldn't it be a good idea to undelete it and then send the OP to the math meta site (I did leave a comment but the OP didn't respond to that, so I don't know if I was understood)

Journeyman Geek

@Chair OP can see his own question after deletion

rene

they can see their deleted posts and the comments on it

Journeyman Geek

so re-asking there is an option

Shadow Wizard

We can show users the door, it's not our role to open it for them.

(door to per-site meta where their question belongs. ;))

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rene

2:03 PM

@Chair let me raise a mod flag in case we got it all wrong and let SE staff decide

John Dvorak

Isn't it better to tweet them? :P

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak BOOOOOOOOOO

Magisch

I imagine a small furry dog like ash barking in protest

ʜᴇᴀʀ ᴍʏ ʀᴏᴀʀ! I ᴀᴍ ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴀɴɢᴇʀ! ғᴇᴀʀ ᴍʏ ᴡʀᴀᴛʜ!

John Dvorak

Error: ambiguous parse. More hyphens please.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch Ash can bark pretty loud...

He's... a sub woofer...

rene

2:08 PM

@JohnDvorak I don't have an account on twitter.se

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek <backwardsrimshot/>

Derpy

Journeyman Geek

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Tinkeringbell

Catija

2:14 PM

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Tinkeringbell

Aww! Definitely the cutest in this list!

Journeyman Geek

aww

(that's bravo. He's a giant floofy goof)

Tinkeringbell

That your dog too?

Devealte

Awesome, we are talking about animals

(Humans are also basically animals)

Tinkeringbell

Now you're switching topic!

Catija

2:17 PM

Tiny humans are often cute.

Devealte

Yes I agree

Tinkeringbell

Meh, I can send you some that I would never call cute.

Shadow Wizard

Your brothers? ;)

Catija

I said "often" for a reason. 😉

Tinkeringbell

I had a medicine student as a roommate in uni for a while, and there's one skin abomination she showed me that I've never forgotten.

@ShadowWizard Nah, those are cute in their own unique way. They're also definitely not 'tiny'

@Catija Ah. True :)

Magisch

2:19 PM

@Catija He looks a lot like Ben

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell not now, but they were tiny in the past... ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Is that you on the warpath?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Ehh.. One was almost 5kg heavy and over 50 cm long when born.

That one was never small :P

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell skin abomination does not prevent the option to be cute... ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I couldn't find anything that looked outright murderous, so I went for skepticism :P

Catija

2:20 PM

@Magisch yeah. But a lot more hair and much darker. He's got my Italian coloring.

Tinkeringbell

Perhaps it could be a death stare too :P

@ShadowWizard 'abomination'.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, parrot can scare a dog...

Wes

stackoverflow.com/a/36764248/117421 I was going to flag that as not really answering anything. But is that the right behaviour. Do I down vote and move on?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard That's a cockatiel.

Shadow Wizard

lol you and your sharp eyes!

Oded

2:22 PM

And to my eye, that doggo is trying to play with it.

Shadow Wizard

I see it as "dog scared by a bird", whatever exact type that bird is... :D

Devealte

@Wes I think you should down-vote it if you think it's not a good answer

I don't think it deserves a flag

I don't know

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard i.imgur.com/9vLYJwI.gifv

John Dvorak

Maybe it's in Australia? In Australia even invertebrates can hurt you.

Shadow Wizard

@Devealte agree. It's just a bad answer. No need to flag. /cc @Wes

Wes

2:26 PM

Thank you.

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Nah, looks like the dog really is inviting the bird to play.

John Dvorak

That's a dingo cosplaying as a dog

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well that boy is not cute! o_O

John Dvorak

It's trying to lure the cockatiel into melee range, by feigning a fear response

Devealte

The parrot doesn't even move, so I think the dog was not scared by the parrot

He flinches out of nowhere

Probably trying to scare the parrot

Journeyman Geek

2:29 PM

@Wes @Devealte there's two ways to look at it

If you flag, you think a mod needs to look at it

but if you're not sure, someone will flag it eventually

though there

eh, apparently OP found his example useful

though it could use more... teaching moment utilisation

so... its not really NAA

Shadow Wizard

There's one upvote, probably very old... not sure by OP.

Journeyman Geek

seems plausible

@ShadowWizard the dog is doing a bork.

also, that dog looks like scooby would IRL I think ;p

Shadow Wizard

lol

Derpy

2:47 PM

I wonder how a picture of a Palmtop Tiger ended up in discussing dogs.

I would have understood if you were talking about dragons... but dogs...

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that's my granma's dog

I might be seeing him in feb, if my leave plans work out

Shadow Wizard

@Devealte not sure, there's no sound in a gif, I think the bird simply barked, and thus scaring the dog.

plz-delete smartphone processors meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318000/…

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Tinkeringbell

3:06 PM

@JourneymanGeek Nice :)

Mithrandir

3:41 PM

3

Somewhat

"From Rabbit's Perspective", by Mithrandir

Mithrandir

heh

This is me getting acquainted with my new GoPro :)

Somewhat

well, that's honestly the first thing I had in mind seeing that fence and imagining Australia...

Mithrandir

...definitely not Australia...

I had it on my helmet and had to take it off to take that photo.

Somewhat

Great photo though :)

Mithrandir

3:45 PM

Thanks ^.^

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat agreed

EKons

@Mithrandir ...am I the only one who noticed the plastic bag over there?

Shadow Wizard

4:01 PM

@EKons no, but it's so common that we stop noticing it. Plastic bags are just everywhere. :(

Somewhat

actually that's a hint to a bigger puzzle hiding on the photo...

Shadow Wizard

This just adds to the authenticity of the picture. ;)

@Somewhat which is?

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard I dunno. I don't have much rep on Puzzling.SE :(

Shadow Wizard

oh lol

Well, one can ask "what are those white things on the hill", I guess. :D

plz-delete-two-off-topic-questions Markov chain and JSON objects @rene @Glorfindel @TravisJ

rene

already voted on

Shadow Wizard

4:06 PM

Double Kaboom for Glorfindel! ;)

Now the Elitist question is the only one today with score of less than -8. Not bad for MSE. :D

Interesting trivia... the two most voted answers on MSE were posted by the two people who created Stack Overflow. The highest scoring non CW/faq answer was submitted by Joel and has a nice 886 score, while this one by Jeff has the lowest score with -234. Poor Jeff, must envy Joel for that! :P

EKons

Jeff's is outdated, btw...

you can sorta retract CVs now, but you can't VTC again... same with same-type flags

Shadow Wizard

Some will say things were better when Jeff was around.

I say things were much more simple to handle, dunno about better.

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Something Bad Happened

4:45 PM

@ShadowWizard then sockpuppet moderation it shall be

Mithrandir

@SomethingBadHappened ...highly advise against that...

Something Bad Happened

4:58 PM

Blah, turns out I don't have any un-merged sockpuppets with the association bonus remaining.

Mark Amery

5:20 PM

@SomethingBadHappened Solid humblebrag by Eric there.

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