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Tinkeringbell

1:00 PM

@JNat You're welcome :) Over 90 answers already pfft. And I've just been passed by more ASCII art :/

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell there go both our dreams of getting watch swag eh?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Probably ;) At least we're both still on the front page ;)

It is good ASCII art btw ;)

One more fun thing about contests is that they bring you much closer to earning a Sportmanship badge ;)

And apparently they also help to get a Civic Duty badge :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

Meh, contests and online code judge engines. None of these questions would really lead to persistent and long term useful content.

Tinkeringbell

Fun leads to good memories. Good memories are useful content too!

πάντα ῥεῖ

arguable

At least most of such questions try to undermine these contests intends. That's more simply trying to cheat with help of others.

EKons

1:18 PM

there's time for business, there's time for fun...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat Can we please have this request implemented? This way, there wouldn't be a need for people to keep unprotecting it, given that every single new-user answer will result in automatic protection.

Tinkeringbell

@EKons And there's time to be comletely unfocused ... If anyone knows how I can fix that without more coffee, that'd be nice ;)

EKons

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@EKons brews a cup of Americano for @EKons

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell With some tea, of course

EKons

1:22 PM

gives cup to @Tink

Tinkeringbell

@EKons I'm already feeling my heartbeat. I had too much coffee already.

EKons

puts cup back inside Smokey

I wish Sonic's suggestion of tea actually worked... :P

I don't want to depend on coffee in the future :(

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

!!/tea EKons

SmokeDetector

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog brews a cup of green tea for @EKons

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319134/…

Shadow Wizard

1:28 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog he can't really help even if he wants to, being only a CM.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard I didn't ask him to implement it, but to have it implemented. Similar to asking a property developer to build a new property; they aren't a construction worker but it gets built.

JNat

1:43 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog gonna start writing that code right now ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat Really?

JNat

now, for real: it seems like a reasonable request, yeah

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'm a CM, I don't write code

or, at least, not the code that gets the site running

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat I know you're not a dev, but you do have influence in what the devs do, right?

JNat

I mean... relative influence, sure

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Shadow Wizard

1:46 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog best analogy I can think of is asking someone to convince his parents to do something. He can talk with them and have some influence, but only up to some point.

Journeyman Geek

In the sense that they can bring it up, or maybe even create an issue internally

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

That's exactly what I'm referring to.

Journeyman Geek

but whether it gets written - or even can be written is another thing entirely

@Tinkeringbell I am tempted to dig out my old lego and build a time machine. With a dog

JNat

thing is, I know my question made this seem like a really useful thing right now, too... but that doesn't make it "jump the queue," as it were

Journeyman Geek

sadly I probably lack the parts for a SO or SE logo

@JNat just that it could, possibly, get into the queue, 6-8 weeks and all that? ;p

JNat

1:49 PM

somethin' like that, yeah :)

rene

in one of the 6-8 weeks queue's ...

Journeyman Geek

the most fun FRs are the ones you forget about

then a few years later... you realised someone possibly independantly implemented it

EKons

@rene ...which gets processed 6-8 months later?

rene

when lucky

Journeyman Geek

@EKons who knows

EKons

1:51 PM

I guess we'll know ~6-8 years later...

Journeyman Geek

@JNat I've been a bit fuzzy on that

Some of you seem to, some of you don't.

granted, y'all have gotten a bit more shadowy and mysterous ;p

JNat

@JourneymanGeek sorry: seem to what?

Journeyman Geek

Write code :p

JNat

ah!

I never wrote code professionally, for what it's worth

I can write a script here and there to make some workflow easier

but that's about it

rene

everyone can write code. Some of it shouldn't make it into production ....

Tinkeringbell

1:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek Do it ;) There is only one lego entry yet, and it has nothing to do with time. :)

JNat

as for actually touching the SO/SE codebase... even those of us in the Community Team who wrote code professionally don't do it

rene

Last time I touched a C++ codebase I was told my VBA skills were not needed ....

Bart

Sounds like you tried contributing to an Open Source project :D

Tinkeringbell

Hey, working on Open Source stuff can be fun ;)

I spent 2.5 years working something that was (partially) open source

Bart

I've tried twice. I haven't tried since.

EKons

1:59 PM

@Tinkeringbell just saw it... NAA, delete it! :P

Tinkeringbell

@EKons There's actually a few that may not meet the guideline of 'be your own creation' ;) But I have an entry there, so no flagging or deleting for me :)

rene

@Bart colleagues ... I had more of a managerial role and the team preferred it stayed that way ...

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, managers shouldn't program.

Bart

And then you fired them all

rene

Ha, I needed them, so no.

EKons

2:01 PM

@Tinkeringbell no, you didn't get me ;-)

the ping was just a reference :P

Journeyman Geek

@JNat ahh ok

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Tinkeringbell

@EKons Ah. Well, now everyone knows what a perfect mod I am :P

In other news... I'm reading a news article about that Chinese scientist that genetically manipulated some babies... Quote: "Het departement noemt de baby's "van buitengewoon afschuwelijke aard"." Translation: "The department calls the babies "of extraordinarily gruesome nature".". Quite a nice label to give a baby!

Journeyman Geek

they're probably the cutest widdle abominations of science.

Tinkeringbell

Sure, but then call the science that, not the baby :(

EKons

2:15 PM

yeah, "they" might not want to do that...

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I'm kinda utterly iffy over the ethics of it, but ya, the poor babies

EKons

aw, forget about ethics, just think of cute babies being abused D:

Journeyman Geek

@EKons technically the abuse happened a fair bit before they were babies by any definition

unless the genetic mods happened after "conception" - though this was plausibly in lab glassware.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I think it's kinda abusive to label a baby 'extraordinaly gruesome' ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that too.

SouravGhosh

2:19 PM

Hiya!! Am I allowed to do some "self-promotion"? :)

Journeyman Geek

But genetically modifying babies is... extraordinarily gruesome.

Tinkeringbell

@SouravGhosh Given that chat allows spam flags too... I'd say it might not be a smart move...

Journeyman Geek

lol

@SouravGhosh most people here have probably had... time... to see the contest, if not post an entry.

rene

@SouravGhosh you just did. Thanks.

Journeyman Geek

I haven't had time for the latter, sadly, and wish I had more time for the former...

SouravGhosh

2:20 PM

@rene That was exactly the point.... :)

Tinkeringbell

Oh... that kind of self-promotion. Sorry! @SouravGhosh as long as you stick around to talk, that should be fine ;)

Look, I sometimes do it too :P

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A: Time for some more swag!

Hi everyone! My name is Tinkeringbell (or Tink for short) and I'll be your tour guide for today! Even though some people say time-travel is impossible, as an archaeologist I have to disagree. We're not allowed to disclose exactly how we do it, and we're not allowed to take passengers. I can, ho...

rene

@SouravGhosh I disapprove the structural integrity of your submission ....

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SouravGhosh

@rene OK, can you elaborate please?

@rene You mean, the code part?

rene

@SouravGhosh oh ... I was looking at something different ...

sorry

SouravGhosh

2:24 PM

@rene No problem, just wanted to self-promote my answer... :)

@rene Contest is on one hand, true, but also, want to know, is it "worth it"?

rene

It is not worth the time, no.

I like my own jokes ...

Journeyman Geek

@SouravGhosh as long as you don't take it too seriously ;)

SouravGhosh

@JourneymanGeek Not at all (as mentioned in my answer itself, first attempt after I was suggested jQuery in another comment)...

Journeyman Geek

@SouravGhosh well the contest rather than the entry ;)

SouravGhosh

It's just that, it should not be "pure crap"... (me goes and sulks in a corner)

Journeyman Geek

2:28 PM

That's to say, good sportsmanship is essential

SouravGhosh

@JourneymanGeek Absolutely, no doubt. Quality over quantity.

Mithrandir

Mine has a red freehand play button - what else could you want? :P

SouravGhosh

So, any suggestion or feedback on my post, if you may, please?

Mithrandir

@SouravGhosh linky?

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Time to actually watch it ;)

SouravGhosh

2:31 PM

@Mithrandir Good one..but I had to, after all, I did not do it from scratch.

EKons

um... I think he really meant "post a link" o_o

Mithrandir

I mean... Could you post a link here so that I can find it? :P

SouravGhosh

Oops

One sec

Sourav's Answer

Tinkeringbell

I'm afraid your names isn't James, and you don't own the copyright to that one, do you? Another such one (10k only) was deleted yesterday, as code should be written by you, not by someone else...

EKons

...only a select few can see that link (not me or Sourav) :P

Tinkeringbell

2:40 PM

@EKons It does say that it was deleted :P

Journeyman Geek

@EKons you can always see your own deleted posts

SouravGhosh

@Tinkeringbell OK, I re-used the code which I found on internet...with no license text...

Tinkeringbell

@Sourav you said you made modifications, what exactly? As it still looks very similar to that other one.

Journeyman Geek

which was amusing since... that rule changed just before I became a 10ker

SouravGhosh

The copyright is part of the HTML...so not sure of that part

Journeyman Geek

2:42 PM

@SouravGhosh just cause there's no licence text dosen't make it alright to copy, especially in a contest

Tinkeringbell

Perhaps you might want to make it clearer what is original code/functionality and what you added on top of it ;-)

SouravGhosh

@Tinkeringbell I made the change to stop on none

as the title says

EKons

@JourneymanGeek um... no, I didn't copy any code (or post anything) :P

SouravGhosh

It was a normal watch, showing current time

Tinkeringbell

Oh.. I see it now, if I mouse over the clock face it stops... That's a really subtle change ;) Perhaps more people just don't get it (like me)

SouravGhosh

2:44 PM

@Tinkeringbell I posted the steps...but I can always clarify more...no problem

EKons

I totally get it :P

Tinkeringbell

I do now too, and I swear I read the steps... :/

I don't really have any feedback on the post then.

SouravGhosh

@Tinkeringbell That itself is a feedback - some aspects needs to be more explicit.

Tinkeringbell

I think what did it for me was not seeing the steps anymore after pressing 'run snippet'

So I was just seeing a big watch that said 'Copyright James'

rene

We have a networking tag which I just provided an excerpt for but looking at the questions and the word itself, that doesn't feel right at all. Shouldn't it just be network? Or even: burninate the thing?

Bart

2:59 PM

I don't see a strong argument for the tag in any of the 11 posts

rene

Yeah, maybe the oldest ones kind of make sense, everything after that is kind of useless

SouravGhosh

@Tinkeringbell One quick question: For the re-use purpose, am I allowed to remove that copyright from the display? Maybe can have that in comments in the code..

Tinkeringbell

@SouravGhosh I'm not a lawyer, so I don't really know, but I personally wouldn't do it as it seems mean.

Shadow Wizard

@rene I vote for burning with fire

SouravGhosh

@Tinkeringbell Going by that same analogy I did not remove it till time... any other views?

rene

3:05 PM

@ShadowWizard done

EKons

flower power

Shadow Wizard

@rene cheers!

@SouravGhosh didn't look yet, but noticed you already have two answers on the Time swag, you mean you have a third that you deleted?

SouravGhosh

@ShadowWizard No, the copyright display I meant.

Shadow Wizard

I'd say if you have something good stick with it, no point trying over and over, and at this point chance of a new answer to reach top 25 is really really slim anyway.

@SouravGhosh where?

SouravGhosh

@ShadowWizard A comment on the first one prompted me to try jQuery and as a result, this one is posted. :)

@ShadowWizard On the display...down the clock...

EKons

3:10 PM

pretty sure removing a copyright display is very, very immoral (although legal if kept in the code)

SouravGhosh

@SouravGhosh Came with the original code...

Shadow Wizard

umm... sorry, not getting you. Better stay out of this.

SouravGhosh

@EKons That's the tricky part. The code is as visible as the output...so changing the copyright to a comment should not affect visibility....

Shadow Wizard

In general, taking code written by someone else and using it for the context is not legit, no matter how you paint it.

And trying to hide the fact it's copied is much worse, IMO reason for suspension if done after being warned. Just my view.

Tinkeringbell

Curious question... @EKons as you said you can't see deleted posts... how many answers does the swag contest post have if you look? :)

Shadow Wizard

3:12 PM

@Tinkeringbell you can see in Incognito mode.... ;)

EKons

86

nah, Tink might be a bit lazy to do that... :P

Tinkeringbell

Hah. Mine says 96. So it does count deleted stuff on my side ;)

@EKons To be honest I just didn't think of that. But yeah, lazy too ;)

SouravGhosh

@ShadowWizard Even with proper attributes?

@ShadowWizard The code I re-used is MIT licensed...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard They added extra stuff on top of it...

Shadow Wizard

:(

SouravGhosh

3:19 PM

@ShadowWizard I'm not sure....warning...for what? I'm just asking suggestions...I did not remove the copyrights and neither asking for credits for original work

Shadow Wizard

New 500 Error page?

Catija

@Tinkeringbell yes. You can compare the answer count on the questions list with the count on the actual question.

Tinkeringbell

Never noticed before, until I saw that latest meta post and noticed that person only had three pages of answers ;)

Shadow Wizard

@SouravGhosh yes... the whole point is you should spend some time and thought into it.

@Tinkeringbell oh, well, this might make a difference, yes.

Tinkeringbell

Took me a little while to figure that out too :P

Shadow Wizard

3:23 PM

@SouravGhosh sorry, didn't mean to blame you. Just gave general view.

So...

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Mithrandir's fault.

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Shadow Wizard

Here is the culprit! ^

Must have blame in star wall. :D

SouravGhosh

@ShadowWizard That's okay...just dont want any confusions...that's it.

Shadow Wizard

:)

SouravGhosh

@ShadowWizard Anyway, it's done in a good faith, and I am ready to re-work the whole thing, if that makes it more sensible...thanks.

Shadow Wizard

3:25 PM

I might have used the previous year winterbash countdown to make some answer on the Time contest but alas.... the code is gone. :(

SouravGhosh

@SouravGhosh As I mentioned, picked up the idea from one of previous comments under my post, so just gave it a try, that's all.

Shadow Wizard

@SouravGhosh why do you keep replying to yourself? It looks.... weird.

@ShadowWizard said one who do silly things in chat all the time!

:P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

The question got protected again. I'm gonna try again a different way:

@tinkertim @balpha @Nick_Craver The most recent contest keeps being auto-protected *every time* a new user answers it, creating work for mods, 15k+ users, and staff members. Can we please have https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318026/ implemented?

Tweeted by sonic_gparyani on November 29, 2018 at 12:36 PM

Shadow Wizard

LOL

Not enough followers, @Sonic.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard I still get responses though.

Shadow Wizard

3:28 PM

Get 1k at least.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog but nothing will be done, I can assure you.

You have no power on Twitter... yet.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog wait... no it's not.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Well, I do have enough power to get an insight into SE's development process:

@sonic_gparyani @Nick_Craver Let me say it again: This issue was *not* missed. It was known, and we decided to release anyway. FWIW -- I do disagree with the design, with or without pointer. If we continue to offer this functionality, it should work on e.g. phones (where Ctrl-V is not an option).

Tweeted by balpha on November 6, 2018 at 7:06 PM in reply to sonic_gparyani

Shadow Wizard

It was last unprotected by @Tink 20 minutes ago.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard That un/protection didn't happen until after I had already "followed my own advice" and posted an answer.

@JourneymanGeek It's the dictionary's fault.

Shadow Wizard

Well, we have enough people here to make sure the swag contest keeps being unprotected any time it get auto protected but yeah, it would be nicer to have it as a feature.

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3:54 PM

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Tim Post

4:45 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog What would you have me say there? Because the answer is maybe next year.

Kevin B

meh

so it has to be unlocked every now and then, what's the big deal

JNat

3 hours ago, by JNat

thing is, I know my question made this seem like a really useful thing right now, too... but that doesn't make it "jump the queue," as it were

Catija

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Catija Body - Position 21-38: buying said cards

Nog Shine

5:00 PM

@ShadowWizard It had some Easter eggs to his tweets. I think many missed them.

rene

5:15 PM

what happens with accounts I create but I never click the link I receive in the email?

Do those expire or are they kept around indefinitely?

Mithrandir

on SE?

rene

yes

Mithrandir

they probably still exist, although I heard they were starting to automatically delete those more proactively

Nog Shine

unregistered accounts are not deleted. Abandoned accounts were deleted but not now.

I am not seeing any unregistered users lately. Is it only me?

EKons

I don't think rene is talking about unregistered accounts

Nog Shine

5:23 PM

Accounts created only for single time use. Isn't it?

EKons

no, rene is talking about unverified accounts

rene

I clicked sign-up, entered my name, email, pwd and clicked register. The confirmation page tells me to click the link I got in the email. That is where I stop. What happens with those "accounts"

Nog Shine

@rene They are kept.

rene

I think unverified accounts is the right word @EKons thanks for that

@NogShine forever?

Nog Shine

These were shown as unregistered accounts in the past but now, I don't see that in the bracket.

EKons

5:25 PM

nope, unregistered accounts are ones that are created because somebody "posts as a guest"

Nog Shine

Posting as guest option no longer exist.

EKons

there is, although not in Meta.SE

Nog Shine

> You must login to answer this question

^ not from MSE

EKons

that's what I said

Nog Shine

Aren't you saying we can post as guest?

EKons

5:32 PM

yes, "although not in Meta.SE"

Nog Shine

I tried it on other sites. Above is the message.

> You must be logged in to ask a question on Movies & TV

Log in below or sign up

EKons

well... it works on SO

AU too

Nog Shine

Academia also.

Now, why on some sites and not on others?

EKons

probably disabled on some sites, e.g. Skeptics

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7:31 PM

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow SE finally fixed the Google log-in bug with the apps.

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rene

7:55 PM

panic!

what happened to SEDE?

Taryn

@rene read twitter, geez

rene

I probably did miss a memo :(

Taryn

We’re going to be doing some maintenance on the Data Explorer for just a bit to patch it up. It’ll be back online right after.

Tweeted by StackStatus on November 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM

Tinkeringbell

I believe the correct term here would be 'waffles'

rene

I guess we better move meta to this twitter thing ...

Tinkeringbell

7:57 PM

@rene while you're panicking... Here's something you might enjoy, my brother (Michel) just installed his router:

rene

lol

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog they did?? Now that is a real surprise. Guess no more "apps are dead" comments then.

EKons

8:10 PM

@ShadowWizard true! :D

Kevin B

reset the counter

rene

@Taryn you are now just flipping the switch between on and off to annoy me, right?

EKons

flower doubts

Taryn

@rene sql updated which caused an outage, now it's restarting after windows updates

rene

Okay, no pressure ;)

Taryn

8:20 PM

but yes, I'm purposely doing it to you

rene

I knew it

EKons

hah

Taryn

I wait for the days to irritate you with SEDE

rene

I was going to say nice things but somehow it escaped me what it was ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Perhaps you wanted to say 'happy and blessed saint pancake day'?

rene

8:24 PM

I actually did hear that this morning at Giel!

Made me smile

Tinkeringbell

All I have is a pancake plant. It's time to move out so I can celebrate the big holidays. We had cauliflower for dinner tonight :(

rene

I already did my groceries and I didn't want to switch

Taryn

@rene SEDE should be done bugging you today, unless we have an actual outage

rene

@Taryn thanks! You're awesome!

Tinkeringbell

@rene Well, if the groceries already were pancakes, no need to switch :P

rene

8:26 PM

No, I'll make up for it next week

It has been a while since I had some

And I kind of like making them so ...

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, here too. Not too bad of an idea actually. Let's see if mom is okay with pancakes this weekend

Kevin B

i don't like pancakes

rene

Why not?

Tinkeringbell

HERESY! How dare you say that on Saint Pancake.

Kevin B

they're too filling

Tinkeringbell

8:35 PM

I mean, that's kinda the point. I don't see people having the same complaints about pizza :P

Kevin B

yeah put pizza is delicious

pancakes are just bread for soaking up butter/syrup

Tinkeringbell

Pancake can be too... It's kinda like a pizza bottom but you get to choose your own toppings which means there won't be tomato

@KevinB Nah, there's so much more possibilities!

Nutella, whipped cream and strawberries

chocolate sprinkles and whipped cream

meat

cheese

apple and raisins

sugar, loads of powdered sugar

Kevin B

i can have that on toast and still have room for eggs/bacon/grits

Tinkeringbell

Or you can put eggs and bacon on a pancake. What are grits?

Kevin B

not sure how to describe it

rene

8:41 PM

@Tinkeringbell kattenbakkorrels ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Yeah that's what I'm thinking too :P

I wouldn't put those on a pancake

rene

:D

Bart

8:54 PM

Grits are "grutten"

Tinkeringbell

Yeah like that helps. I never had a grut either.

So. What's a grut?

Bart

A broken grain. Like for gortepap

Tinkeringbell

Okay, then the pancake can replace that part :P

Bart

A colleague brought stroopwafels today after he had a meeting in Amsterdam. Man, that almost made me miss NL

Tinkeringbell

Did you ever celebrate Saint Pancake while here?

Bart

8:59 PM

Nooo. Jan Kruis would be so disappointed in me

Tinkeringbell

Never to late :P

Bart

That would be a celebration that's easier to explain over here than Sinterklaas :p

Tinkeringbell

Heh. Yeah, I can imagine that.

Although Sinterklaas probably isn't the hard part, it's Zwarte Piet

Bart

Or as a colleague said recently "hey, do you also celebrate that racist thing?"

Tinkeringbell

What did you do? Shout that it wasn't racist? :P

Bart

9:05 PM

I blocked all traffic outside.

Tinkeringbell

Oh no... you're a Fries?!

Bart

:D perhaps that's how you become one?

Tinkeringbell

Nah, you're born Fries or you'll never fit in ;)

(And they say Sinterklaas is racist... )

Bart

Dammit. I guess I'll remain a Tukker then

Tinkeringbell

That's only slightly better :P

Bart

9:08 PM

:D

Journeyman Geek

10:56 PM

@ShadowWizard I think the official word was bugfix only and this was a major bug :p

It's still mostly dead

Kevin B

whoa

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