@Fabby You forgot extraordinarily cool :D

I may know the precise cause of the outage, but... I feel like blaming cookies is a good strategy in general

@Shog9 :D :D :D

@πάνταῥεῖ You shouldn't be presumptive.

You crack me up!

have a great day and thanks for solving that so promptly!

@EvanCarroll If you wan't to blame devs, follow @NickCraver at Twitter :P

The servers are running dry, and need hydration.

@πάνταῥεῖ You've been around here longer than me, so I'll believe you!!!

@EvanCarroll :D

NP

The silver lining here is that the errors were caused by a new feature balpha whipped up... Not gonna give the game away, but tomorrow should make a few people happy

radare has a plugin that can make music.

If your debugger can't generate waveforms, and emulate a piano and call phone -- you're doing it wrong

Balpha: the man that made me post my first meta.se question ever...

>:-)

@EvanCarroll I'm so old my debugger was an oscilloscope...

any proper debugger should allow you to inject code into the running process, and thus implicitly perform any task of which your machine is capable

>:-)

Starred!

most of the people who actually complain probably don't care beyond finding some snippet to copy

@Quill That's just Stack Overflow...

@Shog9 asm("bsfl %1,%0" : "=r" (dwRes) : "r" (dwSomeValue) : "cc");

I just use the bit scan instructions for one of the projects I'm working

@Fabby <insert pithy remark about capital "B">

github.com/EvanCarroll/nasm_linux_asm/blob/master/instructions/…

"new feature balpha whipped up" is promising

Wanting to show how you calculate jmps using x86 and processor flags using pure assembly

My assembly is probably not the best lol

@Mithrandir Please elaborate... (IEnglish ois only my third or fourth language, depending on how you count and I don't get it)

(also: 23:34 now so it could be my brain being asleep already, but my body still being awake) ;-)

@Mithrandir :D :D :D

Thanks for the reference...

I'm living in Germany now and all nouns in German are capitalised, so I tend to overcapitalise everywhere now...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

heh

overcapitalization is what happened here on CAPS LOCK DAY

@Mithrandir :D :D

Cool new avatar BTW!

Thanks! *points all credit to avazula*

this is the original

@Mithrandir Yup, saw that in your profile...

:D

i can never be sure that anyone actually reads that

I was about to ask: what does the Hebrew say?

@Mithrandir I'm an old fart and back in the day, the first thing you did before inserting the floppy drive, was RTFM.

@Mithrandir Well, except Lo, Ken, Shalom, Shekel, Kippa, Kosher, Kasher, ...

I discovered an ancient tower in the trash recently that actually had a place for 8" floppy disks.

... my Hebrew is non-existant...

@Mithrandir My first computer had an 8" 1.2 MB floppy drive.

@Mithrandir I'm reading words and understand them individually...

@Mithrandir Ah!!!

Got it now!

(I even know what passover is: lovely food during that time)

Also happens to be where Mi Yodeya gets its name from.

@Fabby Depends... I happen to enjoy bread :P

*Pesach :P

One of the things on my TO DO list: read a translation of the Talmud...

@AndrasDeak people IME are less familiar with that name

yeah, I guess

@Mithrandir I like the stuff I bought to put on the bread in Tel Aviv Airport...

@Fabby That's quite an ambitious project. Proof: I'm in the middle of it.

@Mithrandir After the Al'Quran (which I've read one page of) and the Book of Mormon (which I read the introduction to)

The entire set takes up an entire floor-to-ceiling bookcase and is ~80 large volumes.

@Mithrandir :O

You're kidding me, right? I thought it only had 600+ something rules...

Nope.

lets see if i can snap a picture

10 commandments and 600+ rules...

@Mithrandir I'm a Catholic and I read the Bible and the entire explanation to the Bible (25 volumes as large as the Old and New Testament together)

I was also a bit younger and had much more time to kill and read the entire School's Library after which I was allowed into the Monk's private library...

@Mithrandir Holy moly!

and that's without vowels!

So who has this library at home? Rabbis or all religious Jews?

@AndrasDeak Yeah! I know that bit from Catholicism.

JHVH - Jahweh, Jehova, ...

@Fabby The Talmud is much, much more than rules. It's filled with stories, extremely in-depth analysis and study of the Mishna (the whole thing is ostensibly a commentary on the Mishna, after all), discussions about the exact way a chicken lays an egg, and much more.

@Fabby Definitely not all Jews, just the ones with enough money to brag.

I once wrote a BASIC program that printed off any possible name of God with all possible permutations of God's name...

>:-)

I think I've seen it once. I think you can buy them by the yard.

@Mithrandir That's the English translation with elucidation. the original Aramiaic is shorter (though still quirte long).

Muslims do it too.

@EvanCarroll :D

@Mithrandir Googling Mishna

@Fabby I honestly don't know. Most people that I know have a copy of at least the original - the translation is rarer.

@Mithrandir Ah Talmud != Torah...

@EvanCarroll Uh... not sure where you're going with this; it's also factually inaccurate. My family has this set for intensive study, not to brag or anything (it's not like we have a lot of money... at all...). Not sure where the heck this statement came from.

@Mithrandir Well, neither of the 2 Jewish bosses I ever had possessed one, but I've never been to my Jewish colleague's house.

Just saying that's certainly not the norm.

(his wife taught me how to kasher and cook Kosher)

@Fabby You can try this abridged version: books.google.com/…

@EvanCarroll Then it certainly didn't come out the way you intended.

I think it did, it's like a "law library"

even before the internet, the use case was roughly the same.

One lawyer in 100 reads them.

Most people don't have this != "only people with enough money to brag have this"

@Alex Hah! The Talmud: Often banned and burned by the Catholic Church...

In my experience, just about every religious Jewish family has a set of Talmud in the house, though not necessary the 80 volume set. There are smaller sets too.

Good start! (and thanks for that link: is it the entire book or just a sampler?

(I see a "buy" button)

@Mithrandir :-) ;-)

The talmud is as far as I know, about one shelf worth

that's more common

And the Torah?

@Fabby It has selected passages.

@EvanCarroll Depends on the set. You can get a small set that only takes up 1/5 of a shelf.

Yea, something like that.

I think I have a single-volume somewhere that's like impossible to read because it's so tiny print :P

I'm only stating that to have a whole bookshelf of religious books tends to be more of a status thing for any practitioner than a use-case.

I can assure you that this isn't the case here.

@EvanCarroll Most Jewish houses I've been to have far more than one bookshelf of religious books.

Never said it was, there are obviously exceptions.

I've interacted with quite a few Jews, have been invited to 2 homes and have never seen anything like this...

(Note: I've never been invited to a home where only Kosher food was eaten)

@Fabby An actual Torah is a rolled up scroll about 3 feet tall and a foot wide, or so. Printed versions depend on whether there are lots of commentaries included or not, but usually come in five volumes.

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@Fabby If you've never been in a fully Orthodox home, then yeah, you're not likely to find such a thing (although there are exceptions):P

@Alex I don't think that's true.

@Alex though I've never measured it

Those scrolls are pretty absurdly long

@EvanCarroll Unrolled, yes. I'm talking about when they are rolled up and on display.

ah

I think they're like 1/4 mile

@Mithrandir Note: I've had a Jewish Orthodox wife of one of my colleagues teach me how to buy/cook Kosher food at my place and how to kasher stuff.

@Alex Now, if you've got one of those in your home, either you have a lot of money or happen to have a minyan in your house. :P

@Mithrandir Yeah, most houses don't have Torah scrolls.

@Mithrandir Had to google "Minjan" and was expecting "Goose that lays golden eggs"...

(found something different)

>:-) ;-)

Anyway, @Evan, if you sincerely think that having a bookcase of religious books is usually just for show... I'd advise talking to a few more Orthodox - and many Conservative, I'm not entirely sure where Reform stands on this - Jews. Those books often see very heavy use.

@SmokeDetector fp

@Fabby You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

Urgh...

@Fabby D'you have Smokey privs elsewhere?

@Mithrandir another word I know: Hassid...

@Mithrandir I tried getting on the bandwagon a while ago, thought I got privileges, buit apparently fell off the boat.

I'll take it up with one of the owners, no issue.

Privs are per-room

(Fell ill in the meantime, never read all of the manuals)

e.g. I'm a code admin but if I don't have privs in that room... tough luck for me

@Mithrandir ah! Maybe they gave me some on AU...

@Mithrandir or good luck??? ;-)

(always look at the silver lining)

0:-) ;-)

@Fabby I happen to not like Ḥummus very much... I make a bad Israeli.

@Mithrandir I don't like Kosher breakfast...

(no meat! :-( )

I mean: I can iunderstand no bacon and eggs, but

can I have steak and eggs instead?

(I'll not eat any cheese, promised!)

...you could, as long as, y'know, no milk anywhere

@Fabby You can have a kosher breakfast with meat.

that's what I call tough luck!

@Alex I wasn't allowed, not even when I asked if I could cook it myself

(Tel Aviv: some hotel I cannot remember the name of)

@Fabby Was it in a public venue, or a private home?

oof it's 1:15AM and I have a mountain to conquer with a bicycle tomorrow. see y'all later

@Mithrandir Bugger off! Good night!

;-) :D

@Alex Still thinking about the hotel name.

Ah, well most hotels and restaurants have stricter rules..

Ah... Well, I was told:

1. don't choose a Kosher hotel

OR

2. Get breakfast in a small joint off the main streets

(like I know where to go)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

so I did the logical thing to do after 3 days of cheesy breakfast:

Skipped it...

:D

I mean: Don't get me wrong: The first day it was fantastic!

Most Kosher eateries don't serve meat early in the day because people don't want to eat meat then because there are laws about waiting between eating meat and dairy. So they prefer to eat their meat later in the day when they won't be eating any dairy afterwards anyway.

After 3 days I was ready to bite someone's arm though...

:D ;-)

@Alex Yup... Been there, did that, got the T-shirt.

@Fabby Melawach is great for breakfast.

I'm even aware of the scientific research that was done on the digestion of Steak Archiduc

(Steak, mushrooms and cream: Typical Lovely French dish)

It's very hard to digest!

Pork meat is totally forbidden around here for people who've had severe heart attacks too

@Alex So the ancient Jews that wrote these laws knew what they were doing...

@πάνταῥεῖ Googling that

Cool.

@πάνταῥεῖ I think I've had that...

Isn't that Falusha bread?

With kind of tomato salsa and boiled eggs.

(or what are Ethiopean Jews called)

no, the bread with other stuff...

mmhh... It's been 20 years ago, so... Was an Ethiopean Kosher Restaurant in Antwerp.

Dunno if it still exists...

Aaanyway: Thanks all for the education you all gave me today: I need a last smoke and some sleep!

(damn autocorrect)

Well, goodnight then.

@Fabby Gut N8

Danke! Du auch!

I agree that the Orthodox are most likely to study the Talmud, what percentage of the conservatives do youthink own a copy? And out of those that own a copy what percentage do you think have read it?

Orthodox are 1/10 American Jews, and I'm willing to concede that almost all of them do it. They're a very small minority.

re @Mithrandir

Most Orthodox Jews haven't read it in its entirety either.

Well, sure but at least it's not "decorative" to an Orthodox Jew.

My guess is that the religious bookshelf thing is more often decorative when found, so I want to see what your perception is.

I think that those who don't use them often don't have them to begin with.

But, yes, there likely are some who have them for decorative purposes.

Though for those who really do use the religious books, the Talmud is usually only one small part of the collection.