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I have a feeling that a bunch of those jobs postings are there semi-permanently and they're just really picky about who they hire. So if some magical person applied, they'd give them the job but otherwise, it's not really a job opening.

Journeyman Geek

but the openings are mostly in germany (I THINK they have an office there) and one in israel (which isn't a market they've been active in so far, but apparently is a great place to hire coders and security folks)

@Catija they're new

well a lot of em are

Catija

4:30 AM

I was talking about the full stack web developer.

Journeyman Geek

oh

erm

that's new

also one of the places that I'm pretty sure was downsized :(

Catija

I wouldn't know. I don't stalk the page.

Journeyman Geek

erm, I do? ;p

Not the people, like some people, but the page ;p

Catija

I don't even know how to get to it... the "corporate - Jobs" link in the footer just takes you to SO Jobs, not that page.

Journeyman Geek

nor do I! ;p

Catija

4:31 AM

I just follow a bunch of them on Twitter...

Journeyman Geek

I've had it bookmarked for years ._.

Catija

It's in the footer here: stackoverflow.com/company

So, it's in the SO footer but not the SE footer?

That's... odd?

Journeyman Geek

I never go to SO ;p

Catija

Why does the SO footer have four columns, and the SE ones only three?

Me neither.

Sensible Alexander

SO-centric

Journeyman Geek

4:33 AM

Well, unless whoever's the new marketing Veep basically makes a hell of a case for turning back to SE branding, SO's kinda the "company"

Catija

That doesn't explain why the footers are different.

Journeyman Geek

(which is why I'm grumpy and call it SO corp)

Different design than everything, IDK :p

Sensible Alexander

Well, they experiment most of new features on SO...

Like, the deprecated-new-navbar (not the new-new-navbar)

Journeyman Geek

.... I'm all for versioning the damned things ;p

Catija

So, MSE is the same as SA, so presumably it's only SO that's different.

Journeyman Geek

4:37 AM

SA and MSE use the mostly standard cross network theme

Catija

But they don't even use the same terminology.

Journeyman Geek

cause SO's kinda overloaded in a sense? ;p

They use the branding for jobs/jobs directory/salary etc. and apparently don't love chat at all.

Catija

Or the tour.

Journeyman Geek

ya ;p

presumably most devs know what it is.

Sensible Alexander

"Welcome to Stack Overflow, a Q&A site about practical programming. We're different than conventional forums... and actually other SE sites"

Journeyman Geek

4:40 AM

Amusingly my cousin was using SO, but he never actually signed up

Catija

I don't know if Andy has an account but he uses it all the time.

Journeyman Geek

I mean, the information being open is important, but buuuut, you basically have someone who uses the site passively.

@SensibleAlexander SO's a brand now ;p

(SO Jobs, Careers.so, SO in X, SO bath tub toys....)

Catija

Clicking "Stack Overflow" takes you to the /questions page but clicking on "STACK OVERFLOW" takes you to the general so.com page.

Sensible Alexander

Well, I created my first account on SO when I decided to start answering questions...

Catija

That seems redundant.

Journeyman Geek

4:42 AM

I created my SU account first ._.

Catija

Arqade.

Journeyman Geek

kinda accidentally stumbled into answering things ;p

no like, even before I decided to answer stuff, lol

I was bored?

Sensible Alexander

Being a entry-level Android developer at that time, I started answering Android questions... on office hour ._.

until I got over 3k, then noticing ~~this hell~~ a queue which is called Close Vote Review Queue

Journeyman Geek

lol

I think I didn't really realise until I got the shirt ;p

Catija

5:11 AM

Questions about GitHub are on topic on SO?

Shog9

5:22 AM

if not, it's gonna be your job to break it to VonC

iDebug

VonC?

The great git answerer?

I wonder why Jon Skeet is a meme, but our God emeritus Jeff Atwood isn't

Shog9

He can't be a meme; he's a vampire

iDebug

Added Shog9 as a meme

Catija

Is that part of not reflecting?

Or are memes made of garlic and sunshine?

user202362

<--weretroll, a meek looking lady unless on the internet, in which the case turns into a 1337 troll

Catija

5:36 AM

That's a lot of troll.

Or did you mean a troll from 1337...

user202362

1337 <- leet <- elite

Catija

... troll doesn't recognize being trolled

user202362

but roughly has the power of 1337 other normal trolls, yes

user202362

1337 trolls induce people around them, yes

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty I know :( I'm going to miss her and she will be lonely :(

user202362

5:48 AM

@YvetteColomb maybe they will get other ponies/horses - it's going to be a chicken that has made many horse friends :p

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty they'll get more horses for sure, but there was a month between when we came and the previous horses left - so she will be lonely then. The brush turkeys don't seem to pay her much attention, the ducks seem ok, but they come and go

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:07 AM

@JourneymanGeek chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306241/…

@JourneymanGeek By the way, are you OK with being pinged with Chaos Control (dupehammer) requests here?

Sensible Alexander

6:48 AM

@TelautonomousKitty how about 6-8 trolls?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I am equivocal about this:

-1

Q: What should I do if someone else has already asked a question I have, but it has no answers?

Suppose you had a question, and you really want a good answer that would solve your problem, but noticed it was already asked by someone else. However, no one has posted any answers. The question is technically considered "unanswered", but a lot of users who would otherwise bother to give a corre...

Also, why was it downvoted?

Sensible Alexander

I didn't downvote, but the standard procedure is to put a bounty. Else, edit with big improvement to bump.

Or you can try to post the question with better quality, then the older (worse) duplicate would probably be closed to the new one instead.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@SensibleAlexander What if you're a new user and don't have enough rep to bounty? The question is intended for new users. I didn't quite know the exact cases involved, so I held off from posting a self-answer.

In other words, I do know the answer; I just wanted it to be useful for new users and also as a dupe target; I just didn't know all the cases and preferred someone else phrased it differently.

Sensible Alexander

Yeah, that's the worst case, tough luck. Though, it seems a partial duplicate to the related post with score of 603 on your question.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@SensibleAlexander It's not a dupe of that. That question is completely unrelated; it asks about how to get attention for one of your own questions without a good answer. This, as well as the one I linked there, asks about the case where someone else's question doesn't have a good answer.

Sensible Alexander

7:02 AM

Fair point. I don't have the answer to that question except to just post it, since the older one doesn't have an answer, so it can't be closed as dupe to that.

But perhaps... if you really want to target the new users, then you should mention that on the title/question, e.g. "As a new user without any rep, what should I do if there's a question, but already posted by other and getting no answer"

Otherwise, it's a dupe to that, regardless if it's their own question or not.

(especially "put a bounty"

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog naw, dupes don't bother me that much, so I'm not that interested in those.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You've successfully opted out of Chaos Control pings.

@JourneymanGeek You can't put up a bounty if you're a new user without much rep.

Journeyman Geek

7:26 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog ehh. Its still the right way.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Just a curious question, and also keep in mind that I'm very literal, so please don't feel "offended": I notice many of your posts are riddled with spelling and grammar errors. Why is that?

Sensible Alexander

I believe he has mentioned it's dyslexia

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@SensibleAlexander Link please? I understand what you're saying, though.

Sensible Alexander

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog chat.meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=dyslexia&room=89

rene

delv-pls software meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306229/… /cc @Bart @JourneymanGeek @ShadowtheHedgehogWizard @TravisJ

Journeyman Geek

7:37 AM

done

rene

delv-pls api meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306228/… /cc @Bart @JourneymanGeek @ShadowtheHedgehogWizard @TravisJ

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Found it!

Apr 20 '17 at 15:37, by Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I spell semi phonetically and Its and It's are pronounced the same

rene

Its not a problem

Sensible Alexander

Its it's dies everytime each is mentioned as itch

(I don't know what I'm talking about)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

7 hours ago, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Can a 10k+ user please send me a screenshot of this user215114 post? I'm dying to know what's there.

7 hours ago, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

This screenshot proves it's by me.

Journeyman Geek

7:49 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I actually rely heavily on spellcheck in day to day life

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You never mentioned it during my previous incarnation

Journeyman Geek

shrug dosen't need to be mentioned unless people complain ;p

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I once suggested an edit to one of your posts (don't remember if it was me or Ano) that added info to one of your answers, and it was rejected on the grounds that I didn't fix your grammar mistakes

Journeyman Geek

8:52 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog well there's something that ought to be fixed

Sensible Alexander

liek paragraphs with typo and 1337 spkz but without capitalazation and punctution

Journeyman Geek

@SensibleAlexander hah. I've gotten better with those

user202362

10:11 AM

@SensibleAlexander how did you come up with that number?

Sensible Alexander

@TelautonomousKitty I dunno, I just waited for a while... until I got it...

user202362

12:47 PM

@SensibleAlexander have you ever thought about getting a chicken farm ...

Sensible Alexander

@TelautonomousKitty I'm not good at.... uhh... keeping something alive...

rene

1:33 PM

I'll administer beatings as per usual protocol but myself because I work remotely. ... if you book him on an EuroStar train I'm happy to administer what ever is needed at a Brussels train station. So we meet half way. Could earn me a Not-a-robot badge I guess ....

Journeyman Geek

2:02 PM

@rene assuming there isn't a train strike.

Magisch

@rene flowers can't beat people up

Sensible Alexander

@JourneymanGeek is "train strike" the same as "bird strike"?

Journeyman Geek

@SensibleAlexander not quite.

Sensible Alexander

hmm...

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I don't know anyone who's survived being beaten up by a flower. Just saying.

user202362

2:15 PM

but flowers can give people hayfever ...

user202362

flowers are strategic players ...

Feeds

3:32 PM

There's a mountain lion nearby, but it didn't notice you because it's reading Facebook.

Sensible Alexander

@Feeds re 2nd panel: Total Lunar Eclipse on January 31!!!

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

7:15 PM

@SensibleAlexander Where?

rene

→ 27 messages moved to Chimney

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@rene Thanks for the Chaos Control. Was about to ask you for it just now.

rene

Yeah, sure. I sometimes need a break to get some ~~food~~ fertilizer

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@rene When you're not constructed into one of Eggman's mechs...

@Catija I've moderator-flagged meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302594/… asking the bounty be cleared so it can be closed as a dupe of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/52331/…

@Shog9 If you could please review that flag

@alexolut 500-server-error already exists for the server error page. See its tag wiki. Please do not create a new tag for it.

Catija

7:45 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog That's not a dupe. We close dupes based on the question, not the answer.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Read the question bodies carefully. They are dupes.

Catija

8:04 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog If you really think that's the case, you should edit the older question so that it's more clear.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Here on MSE, we also close questions as dupes if the answers are the same but the questions are merely related. See meta.stackexchange.com/a/47635/377214

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I think the emphasis there is particularly in the case of FAQs.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

But in this case they're not just merely related, they are dupes, @Catija.

Shog9

I'm gonna let you finish this discussion before handling that flag.

Adam Lear

Eh, I think the older question just needed a title tweak. Did that, and closed as dupe.

Ha, sorry Shog.

Shog9

8:09 PM

this means even less work for me, so...

Catija

@Shog9 Why does it matter? :P

Shog9

why does anything?

Sensible Alexander

because... life, the universe, and everything...

Catija

Ah... existentialism?

Sensible Alexander

no, 42.

Catija

8:17 PM

... I wasn't responding to you... you just happened to get in the way :P

Sensible Alexander

:P

rene

8:30 PM

Happy!

Might as well start with indrinken so that I'm all set when it is Happy Hour.

Travis J

no way? friday so soon?

rene

sure

Travis J

8:45 PM

Things have been a little surreal here lately.

That "river" was supposed to be the freeway I commute on. It took em like 2 weeks to clean it up.

rene

Wow ...

@TravisJ so how did you commute? Surfboard?

Travis J

Definitely couch surfed for a few days. After the first week they got the train open, so I had to uber -> train -> uber -> work -> uber -> train -> uber -> home for a while

But we don't have good trains like you guys do

rene

As in comfort or timetable?

Travis J

The trains in Holland are awesome, here they are like, at least 15 mins late each time, sometimes an hour.

And there is only one track.

Comfort is similar

rene

@TravisJ that doesn't help, yeah.

@TravisJ most of the main routes are double track, some even 4 tracks, so we're privileged although we not always seem to recognize that.

Travis J

8:57 PM

There are always ups and downs to different transport modes. Since there are so many different trains, connections matter a lot and if anything is late then the connections get messed up, so it is kind of understandable that people would be more sensitive to that.

rene

We have this a train every 10 minutes between Amsterdam and Eindhoven. People still insist on getting on this train even when it is over crowded and a next train will arrive/leave in 10 minutes.

canon

will the next train be less crowded?

rene

@canon if you are already on the platform I'm sure you will get in. This is not Japan.

Travis J

Eindhoven looks fun, didn't make it there last time I was visiting.

user315433

9:25 PM

> the original new top bar

user315433

Moving toward Adjective UI.

user315433

Contains 100% of your recommended daily allowance!

user315433

Want to be a Test Job 1 at @stackoverflow working remotely? #testing #nontech 👉 http://remoteok.io/jobs/64587-remote-test-job-1-stack-overflow

Tweeted by remote_ok on January 26, 2018 at 8:04 PM

user315433

Want to work remotely as a Test Job 2 at @stackoverflow? #testing #nontech 👉 http://remoteok.io/jobs/64588-remote-test-job-2-stack-overflow

Tweeted by remote_ok on January 26, 2018 at 8:04 PM

user315433

Countered by twitter.com/shog9/status/956997137337802752

SmokeDetector

9:32 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Hirens boot cd does not dectect hard drive by Ahmed Nashaat on superuser.com

user315433

> I wonder if it might resemble the slug, the kind you pull out of a pig's butt...

> The slug doesn't produce any sort of light, though (unless I'm misremembering?). Furthermore, the pig with the slug kinda went berserk, and we are still able to keep the boy under control, so I'd say it's not quite the same thing.

Catija

@if.... Countered? If you actually click the links they say that they're not real postings.

rene

@TravisJ it has a good vibe, also due to the university and the students that come with it.

user315433

Was visiting another university these past three days, and was surprised by the lack of any kind of vibe.

user315433

No drunk people, no loud music, no body fluids spilled everywhere...

user315433

9:48 PM

@Catija I meant the tweets were countered, not job postings

bluefeet

@if.... well, actually

3

A: Should I apply for Test Job 1 or Test Job 2?

Testing is critical to ensuring a good user experience; here at Stack Overflow, we're fanatical about testing: I, personally, wear one of those beer helmets and giant foam fingers when testing as a testament to my fanaticism and love of beer. As any programmer knows, some issues never show up u...

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

10:10 PM

@AdamLear Thanks.

rene

10:34 PM

Anyone here that is better able to assist a user that is using a screenreader to upload images: meta.stackexchange.com/q/306269/158100

Catija

10:50 PM

I wonder if Joe is around...

Journeyman Geek

@rene he can use markdown, then someone else can edit it in?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@rene As is, the question is a duplicate of the FAQ question about images.

So, advise him to edit it, or edit it yourself, or use your Chaos Emerald.

(I'm holding off on editing because I'd be changing the meaning of the post)

Journeyman Geek

Hm. The blindness makes it distinct imo

rene

that ^

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek The question doesn't mention blindness, it just asks for how to upload images

Which is why I said edit it

Journeyman Geek

11:00 PM

ERM.

That can be edited in. Just make it explicit it's from the comments

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

4 mins ago, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

(I'm holding off on editing because I'd be changing the meaning of the post)

I learned from anonymously editing that a lot of reviewers disregard the edit summary, and only look at the edit itself.

Catija

11:17 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog That's... not really the same thing. If there's no answers on the post, you don't have to worry about that.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Doesn't "changing the meaning of a post" mean...changing the meaning of a post?

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that's really not a feature request. I'm not asking for something new, I'm asking for them to fix something already existent on the site. If anything, it's a bug.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija But it's not a support request.

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Adding clarifications - particularly major ones, like "I'm blind and using a screen reader"... is not changing the meaning of the post, it's clarifying it.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Also, seeing as you incorporated my suggested alt text...just because part of the edit was wrong doesn't mean the whole edit should be rejected.

Catija

11:23 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog That... is exactly why an edit should be rejected. If you'd taken a second to look at the current page, you'd see that the image was representative of the old view.

I'm not going to reward you for making incorrect edits.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Ah, sorry about that...I apparently made a typo when I typed that up...my mind was playing tricks. Your rejection was correct.

@Catija In theory, yes. But in practice, I've made anonymous edits in a similar vein and they were rejected for changing the meaning.

Even when I specified in the edit summary that I was incorporating clarifications in comments.

So I came to the conclusion that incorporating clarifications in comments constitutes "changing the meaning of a post"

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog No. That's what editing is for. I can't attest for the edit rejections... I don't do a ton of reviews on MSE... but on the sites I moderate, we encourage users to add details that the OP has written in comments into the main post as many users do not read the comments. It's pointless to close something that was merely lacking details as a duplicate when it's not... and it hurts the user with an honest question.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

11:39 PM

@Catija Okay, then. Definition modified. But why do you think users would reject those edits?

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Without a specific example, that's not possible to answer.

... and even then it may not be.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Possible reasons?

Assume there are no other reasons why the edit should be rejected

Catija

- Lazy reviewing (robo reviewing/not reading edit reason)
- Incorrect representation of information being moved
- answers being present on (old, open) questions that would be invalidated by edit
- insufficiently clear edit reason
- Tim lost his keys...
- Edit reviewers who don't actually know how to review

That's just after a few minutes of thinking.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija I think that happened before the HTTPS changeover, and it's extremely difficult to get edits from that time, since the Community user's edit list is cluttered with HTTP->HTTPS edits.

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