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Journeyman Geek

12:02 AM

@JasonC hmm I actually use pets sometimes

Jason C

Me too

Journeyman Geek

and unlike health there's a lot of non specialised questions - a lot of stuff people don't get is about training (and there's different schools of thought there...)

user315433

12:29 AM

What would happen if all the water on earth changes to chocolate milk? by klokklok on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com

user315433

What would happen if the Sun was a giant bag of nachos?

user315433

So many potential WB questions.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is there a software package designed to automatically check the assumptions of various statistical tests? by Ahmed Negida on stats.SE

Jason C

12:55 AM

@JourneymanGeek data.stackexchange.com/health/query/676818/… is somewhat fun. Haven't checked on other sites yet. Health's answer rate has been in decline, though.

user315433

Job ad: JavaScript Pirate (because pirates > ninjas)

Journeyman Geek

ow

user315433

They didn't get the xkcd memo

user315433

Should be JavaScript Zombie, or something involving a sandwich.

user315433

Example: Is this a sandwich?

Journeyman Geek

12:59 AM

@JasonC seems too slow to run on SU too

Jason C

Bummer. It's good for small sites at least.

I might work on trying to optimize it later I'll have to think about it again from the start

user315433

2:20 AM

Profile & Developer Story Usability Findings has some promise of another "tearing down the structure of" post.

user202362

so I gather that from now on, SE will concentrate on mainly serving programing/software related issues?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: What's the deal with USA SENTRI pass? by belmon selma on expatriates.SE

user315433

!!/report expatriates.stackexchange.com/a/11043

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Applying a visa for working in Spain by belmon selma on expatriates.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Working in USA, for a USA company, temporary without a green card? by belmon selma on expatriates.SE

user202362

2:55 AM

“ I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant”

user202362

Journeyman Geek

3:37 AM

@Telkitty Its probably a little more complicated than that.

The impression I get off the SO blogs is, SO essentially has better brand visibility and the stuff that pays the bills is careers and such

On the other hand, QA's a mature enough product that messing with it is risky as you've seen from the new top bar.

On the gripping hand stuff like documentation may have value elsewhere but SO's probably the best place to test it out.

user315433

I like the "tearing down" approach. Maybe it should be applied to Q&A.

user315433

Like: nominate a Q&A feature to be removed.

user202362

@JourneymanGeek I am pretty clear on that part ... have you ever been treated like this:

user202362

T-Rex Befriends Dog: Funny Dog Maymo

►

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Not yet

user315433

3:50 AM

Examples: 1) question migration; 2) answer accept

Journeyman Geek

@Gerry I think TPTB have considered/wanted to get rid of question migration a while

Journeyman Geek

4:05 AM

I personally think migration needs to be approved at the reciving end

Jon Ericson

4:26 AM

@Gerry Yes. And 3) tag synonym suggestions.

user202362

4:54 AM

@JonEricson why is gerry pedobear baiting with an underaged kid's pic?

SmokeDetector

5:06 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What are most important recommendations for choosing clothing for my dog? by user9567 on pets.SE

SmokeDetector

5:44 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer: What is the term for an incorrect word used in a sentence by user238091 on english.SE

Elephant

6:37 AM

Talking about Healthy site, any other sites that have this kind of problem; e.g. high rep users gone with the wind?

@Gerry of course 4) downvote

My dog^^appreciate it sir. Did not know that word existed. — user238091 1 hour ago

!!/reportall expatriates.stackexchange.com/users/11824/belmon-selma

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: With that said, I am not without my by Alivajamal on workplace.SE

rene

9:15 AM

Thanks @JasonC

SmokeDetector

10:02 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: How can I recover files from a phone that won't boot? by NinaOrtiz on android.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Copy a folder from one library to another and maintain permissions on the folder structure by amit pathak on sharepoint.SE

user202362

how do we know if our pets have mental disease?

Elephant

you ask them

user202362

then?

Elephant

based on their reply, you'll get answer about the mental disease

user202362

dog says 'woof', cat says 'meow', bird says 'chirp chirp', what can you infer?

Elephant

10:18 AM

then you have to ask more

until you understand them

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty mirror.co.uk/tech/translate-your-cats-meows-human-7935711

user202362

surely cats don't have accents

Shadow Wizard

Oh yes they have

user202362

then that tech would not work well

Shadow Wizard

Each meow is unique, ask @bjb

Related: comicbook.com/blog/2014/07/22/…

Each "I am Groot!" is unique.

rene

10:39 AM

@ShadowWizard Don't mix Dutch and English in one sentence. It is confusing ...

Shadow Wizard

10:53 AM

@rene hmm? Groot is in Dutch?

rene

Yes

Ahmad

any SE employee here?

Shadow Wizard

It's Sunday

Ahmad

been so long on this website but I don't know how to report a bug

oh true

I didn't even realize lol

Shadow Wizard

@Ahmad meta.stackexchange.com/questions/ask?tags=bug

Ahmad

11:02 AM

it's just a small bug

Shadow Wizard

umm... so?

Ahmad

kk will post then

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer, non-Latin link in answer: Mac Mail - Account already exists error when adding gmail by user7514655 on apple.SE

Shadow Wizard

11:32 AM

@Ahmad when?

Journeyman Geek

@Ahmad Its almost certainly better to post on meta - if nothing else, you don't have to wait around, and they'd have something they can look up much more easily

user315433

12:00 PM

Is Stack Overflow getting too crowded? got closed as "no repro". :/

user315433

@Elephant Not to the same extent. Android Enthusiasts, Cross Validated, and Web Applications are short on answering power, but have at least a couple of active users/mods who take care of the queues.

Journeyman Geek

@Gerry well, its pretty hard to repro SO

also the person who asked that question gets THAT GUY status

> I'm the creator of the official Serial-Downvoter App Suite, a collection of scripts to assist you with voting posts in just one direction: down.

rene

@Gerry there had been a discussion earlier on MSO about robo-close-voting, meaning whatever turns-up in the CVQ will get closed, no matter what.

@JourneymanGeek yeah, you can question their motive why they ask, still we have to assume good faith until proven otherwise.

user315433

It's Nick Craver's birthday. What would be a good present, a new and interesting botnet?

rene

We can sent him some ransomware to chew on?

Journeyman Geek

12:16 PM

@rene I must admit - its an interesting problem.

also, THAT GUY ness is totally about the person, not the question

But.... its tricky anyway

You need the visitor numbers to keep the site active, while keeping your core users engaged, while somehow dealing with issues no other site really needs to worry about

rene

delv-pls 20K android meta.stackexchange.com/questions/296487/… needs 1 more /cc @bart @sha

user315433

That most questions get only a few views is a good thing if those are boring questions. I know I'm not going to open another "ValueError/TypeError: blah blah my python program doesn't work" question, even to downvote it.

user315433

OTOH it's a problem if serious questions get lost in the shuffle, as they probably do.

Journeyman Geek

12:31 PM

in which case how does one sort those out? Once again, its something most other sites probably have less of a problem with

user315433

If JasonC asks a Java question, it's probably more interesting than an average 1-rep user's Java question.

user315433

But nothing in the question finding interface recognizes that.

Journeyman Geek

ah, cause its about the question, not the user

user202362

@Gerry sincerity, I sense nil

user315433

It's about the question, all right. The quality of a question depends on who's writing it.

user315433

12:35 PM

When I pick a new book to read, I tend to pay attention to author's name.

user202362

@JourneymanGeek I can't believe that you still trust gerry

Journeyman Geek

@Gerry ah, I don't. I go topically

with a few exeptions

there's this guy called Ali Chen on SU. He's a bloody expert on anything USB

user202362

when I pick I book, I read user review first - ideally > 30 user reviews and at least 4/5 stars with 3 stars being average

Journeyman Geek

I just go "Oh, I am bored"

then grab something random out of my ebook library

or see a review that looks interesting and see if I can find a copy

or pick up random stuff at used book sales or the rare proper book store visit

user202362

Just between you me & the whole internet, kz, nowadays I don't buy books from amazon, I read free e-books. But I always go on amazon to read user review first before deciding whether to read the book. Should I feel bad?

user315433

12:41 PM

> Is there a Pythonic way to test if my Left Tail is actually a Fat Tail or not?

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty probably. I mean, if everyone downloaded their novels from the russians...

(A good chunk of my ebook collection's from baen bundles and their old free library cds)

Elephant

@SmokeDetector I kind of remember a surge of questions like this recently on that site...

user202362

on the other side, I stopped using torrent long time ago - I mainly watch Chinese youtubers broadcasting synopsis of various movies and TV series ... with an adblocker

Journeyman Geek

smells like the same ol troll

user202362

I probably have gone through nearly 1000 movies + TV episodes this way in the past year

Journeyman Geek

12:51 PM

most of the youtube stuff I watch is original, no TV things

Elephant

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Q: Do four random common words make a stronger password than passwords like "Tr0ub4dor&3"?

In xkcd comic #936, Randall Munroe claims that passwords like "Tr0ub4dor&3" (uncommon base word, caps, common letter substitutions with a number and punctuation prefix) has ~28 bits of entropy, while taking four random common words, like "correct horse battery staple", has ~44 bits of entropy, an...

not closed yet..

user202362

I don't watch originals once I am addicted to synopsis from a good summariser

user202362

why spending 2 hours when you can go through it in 10 minutes

user202362

some of the channels got banned/sued though

user202362

the good ones too!

user202362

12:54 PM

so if you are crappy, you don't have to worry about violating copyrights

Ahmad

0

Q: Personal statement doesn't appear in developer story preview

My personal statement does not appear anywhere on my developer story at https://stackoverflow.com/story/<username>. Pretty sure this is not intentional, is it?

bug

actually made more sense on meta.SO

user202362

Opera house

Journeyman Geek

@Ahmad Yeah, it does

Ahmad

for me it doesn't

tried without adblock and on chrome and safari

Journeyman Geek

1:07 PM

Oh, I mean it being on MSO

Ahmad

aah okay

👍

Shadow Wizard

2:24 PM

@Ahmad see my comment

@JourneymanGeek how? His story isn't public nobody can see it. (except mods, perhaps?).

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard that it was asked on MSO over MSE ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh, as usual missing context in your messages. :/

:D

@JourneymanGeek it was tasty.

See? Now you should guess "what was tasty?"

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I am starting to suspect you did not spend enough time on IRC...

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek IRC? Try 0 seconds...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I'd assume something spoken recently involving food... which never happened

@ShadowWizard that explains it.

IRC had no reply to, or transcripts so you had to infer context.

Shadow Wizard

2:28 PM

:/

Elephant

I love IRC.

Shadow Wizard

:\

Journeyman Geek

Which reminds me

I switched over to vivaldi recently and I need to add this to it chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chat-reply-helper-for-sta/…

Elephant

@JourneymanGeek Not sure, but probably this works too

Journeyman Geek

@Elephant Yeah, but that's what I was using on FF for ages

Ahmad

2:41 PM

@ShadowWizard just updated the question to clarify it a bit more

bjb568

3:26 PM

@ShadowWizard mew

Jason C

@Gerry A happy birthday ddos?

user315433

3:40 PM

Yes, because it may put a picture of him instead of the front page (500 page pics)

user202362

samoyed fur jumper is a thing

user202362

shave your dog before every shedding season

user202362

user315433

4:14 PM

There are 5 posts scored <= -200 on meta.so and meta.se combined. Four of them by employees. For the sake of completeness, SE should hire whoever "Ispirer SQLWays Migrations" is.

user315433

Actually, I think this may be all network-wide. The lowest SO has is -154 for Forcing a function to return if false

user315433

Yes, those 5 are all posts scoring <= -200 network wide

user315433

Hmm. SEDE has stackoverflow.com/q/4729670 with score -166 but the page says "We couldn't find the page you requested". This is not what we see with deleted posts, those say "removed for reasons of moderation" or some such. ?

hichris123

@Gerry Except spam/offensive deleted...

user315433

4:30 PM

Ah. Still, the SEDE updated just this morning. And the post is there (in Posts, not withdeleted)

hichris123

Strange... not sure then.

user315433

@hichris123 Also, this is not true. See drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/237221 or any spam flagged thing in your profile.

user315433

They get censored more than normal deleted posts. But they still say that there was a post, which was deleted.

hichris123

Ah, yeah, it's just the related questions stuff, right.

user315433

And the URL slug.

user315433

4:33 PM

Can a 10K user, like @JasonC, see anything at stackoverflow.com/q/4729670 ?

user315433

For the record, the query for lowest scores network-wide is here

user315433

Wait, since the post is in SEDE, we can just read it there.

user315433

> Vote Rook for evil!

As a campaign promise I will hand out harsh punishments for minor infractions. Everyone is a criminal and retribution is my duty.

(This is a serious nomination. I honestly believe that SO needs tougher moderation to foster a more constructive environment.)

hichris123

So it's an election nomination...

user315433

Yes, should probably restrict PostTypeId to (1,2).

user315433

4:42 PM

It's on the site at stackoverflow.com/election/1#post-4729670 -- it's just that /q/Id path does not work for nominations

user315433

5:46 PM

> The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole.

Jason C

@Gerry no

user315433

still needs flags, 15 hours later: expatriates.stackexchange.com/a/11044

rene

7:09 PM

@Gerry sorry, now gone

Jason C

7:30 PM

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

rene

8:05 PM

I have rejected this: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/50964 as should be a comment. The original link is not great but has a different message then the link proposed. Thoughts, as it also has an approve?

rene

8:25 PM

nvm : it is accepted

Jason C

9:07 PM

@rene There have been some very odd characters on mse lately, heh...

user315433

9:18 PM

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ, The Intersect

14k 3 39 75

feature-request support discussion bug design status-completed chat

user315433

^ very odd characters

user315433

But not so active on Meta lately

user315433

Drama: I'm leaving, EL&U has stopped being fun by Mari-Lou A on english.meta.stackexchange.com

Jason C

@Gerry Simultaneously annoyed at people who feel the need to announce "I'm leaving" (poor you, just go quietly, really, don't flatter yourself), bummed because I'll miss Mari-Lou's comments and answers, and facepalming because whatever, more often than not they end up back.

user315433

9:41 PM

Is this rude? comment link

user315433

Obviously there was more than a one ill-advised comment there...

Jason C

10:04 PM

@Gerry Categorically rude. I just flagged the whole post, all those comments suck.

Journeyman Geek

11:44 PM

@Gerry He broke pinging for a bit ;p

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