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4:06 PM
But ... but ... you know everything!
So disappointed
 
4:17 PM
Whether this will "work" depends on how many people are searching the app stores for "Stack Overflow" and not finding our old app. If there are a lot, then we'll see organic growth in the app and can start adding more features like Documentation, Dev Story, Jobs, etc. But we didn't want to spend another 6 months developing those features before finding out if anyone will install it. — David Fullerton ♦ 2 hours ago
 
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@Elephant It's the number one hit, filling out most of Google Play search screen.
 
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Have they actually tried?
 
Now they have 4 problems ...
 
meanwhile, searching for "stack overflow ios app" returned thenextweb.com/dd/2017/05/16/…
 
@Andy You're right, it wasn't worth a year. There's a long, sad story here, but it was originally expected to only take a few months and... well, here we are a year later. We decided to go ahead and launch and see what we can learn, and we'll reassess from here. — David Fullerton ♦ 58 secs ago
 
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4:30 PM
Hopefully they can learn that "it's like the old app, but doesn't access other sites" is not a killer feature.
 
Next up: an app which redirects you to the mobile site.
 
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Actually, I'd like that as a stopgap until mobile browsers start getting notifications directly.
 
@Bart of Yahoo! Answers?
 
That would be awesome
 
@Bart that's pretty much what the first version (alpha?) of the SE app was. Worked well.
 
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4:37 PM
Back when balpha was working on it?
 
@rene Thanks; yeah I can't do it in the where clause. I ended up posting a question on so about it.
 
Is this really a dupe of goto Area 51 and create as new site?
 
I don't really know what that is. Either he seems to be asking if it's within scope of existing sites, or he's asking for permission to suggest a new site. The response to the latter is "just do it", I guess.
 
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It's a hybrid of "is there a site for that?" and "should I just propose one?"
 
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4:44 PM
I think the comments are enough for such a situation, no need to reopen.
 
workflow: If there are existing sites, answer with those. Otherwise, propose in Area 51.
 
OK, fair enough
 
@rene Oh huh I just realized a great trick for it. I'll give somebody else the chance to discover it first. Turns out count(a + b) nails it, even for mixed types.
 
@JasonC cool!
 
Oh but
It'll give int overflow errors if the types are int and the result is too large
 
4:48 PM
but ...
 
Still I guess if you know that won't be the case it works
 
is there something that concatenate them instead, to prevent overflow?
 
I was just thinking that same thought, researching that now
 
@JasonC a bug? MS implemented JavaScript type coercion in SqlServer?
 
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What if it's count(a - b)?
 
4:50 PM
@rene No, I dunno what the rules are but pretty sure the results of an arithmetic operation are the type of the widest operand or something.
@Gerry Underflow risk.
 
there's ToString(), but dunno if it's computationally heavy in a query
 
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If the ints are signed, but in the actual data they are positive, there shouldn't be an error with a-b.
 
I could convert the values to a larger int type first but then it's no longer concise, and also not very general but I suppose that's ok.
That's true, if you know everything is positive
 
Nah, I tried concat. concat(null, not null) is not null.
Oh I got it
count('' + a + b)
Total hack. But forces conversion to string for any compatible type.
So no overflow.
Wait no nevermind
Used the wrong test case.
Damn, chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/878/… is frozen, lol. Can't move messages. There's no escape.
 
4:58 PM
Lastly, perhaps IsNull() can help...
 
@JasonC you need to increase your rate for stupid things you say then ....
@JasonC that answer just appeared on your SO question
 
@Elephant you can't escape the wrath of The @Derpy. Welcome to the club! ;-)
 
@JasonC try DATALENGTH() to prevent overflow
well, LEN() works too..
sd gone
 
 
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6:22 PM
That was weird
For a second i was getting 404's on meta.stackexchange.com
 
Has been fine for me
 
6:36 PM
@JasonC stop breaking things!
 
^
 
@JasonC That means something.
 
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6:48 PM
They don't serve your kind here.
 
:(
 
status-Jason-Not-Found
 
Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token meta.stackexchange.com for Jason at position 404
 
@JasonC not frozen, deleted. Pretty sure you can move messages from a frozen room to other rooms, just not the other way around.
1 message moved from Cloud Cuckoo Land
@UniversalElectricity hello!
@Uni I see you are active on GH! github.com/eyeballcode/eyeballcode.github.io/commits/master come back!
 
7:10 PM
great, just scare off all teh ppl
 
Maybe he got sucked into the Game of Life...
 
I wish Game of Thrones had started...
 
Soon. Soon.
But it will be short. :(
 
But then there will be spinoffs
3 of them, no 4 of, 5! 6? 7!? Like, a bunch of spinoffs.
 
I'm afraid to expect for too much, so that I won't get disappointed...
One thing is for sure, there will be another scene where Daenerys will burn again... there must be...
@M.A.R. I'm waiting
heh, so @Brian find time to fix bugs in the old app...
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A: Plural issue for questions closed as duplicates

Brian NickelThis will be fixed in the next build.

Too bad we'll never see such thing with the old android app. (or new, most likely.)
 
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7:32 PM
We hear that SO gets a lot of mobile web traffic. Where does this traffic go, in terms of reading or voting or posting?
 
It tends to go in the way of posting questions apparently.
Except for Jon Skeet, who posts all answers from voice to text on his wrist watch.
 
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I don't think I ever went to SO from a mobile device on purpose, unlike other sites. But perhaps I'm not dedicated to programming enough.
 
@TravisJ that's so 2016. He's transmitting the answers directly from his brain.
 
Oh really? Well then when is Stephen Hawking going to start answering, huh?
 
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How does one post a question with a codeblock from a phone? Where does the code come from?
 
7:35 PM
@Gerry there is copy and paste on phones too
 
@Gerry - In my opinion only bad questions come from phones. But that was a losing opinion.
 
@TravisJ as soon as he learn to program... ;)
 
hah!
A lot of "mobile" derived traffic also comes from tablets which have legitimate UI tools.
 
Heh, does it has spelchick?
 
7:37 PM
@TravisJ just auto complete, based on your memories. (e.g. "I want to meet [name is auto filled]")
 
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You can copy paste on a phone, but the text still has to come from somewhere.
 
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As for tablets, I would not think twice before switching to desktop site there.
 
I wonder, is Smart TV considered "mobile" too?
 
Are you watching SO on your tv?
 
7:40 PM
632
Q: An experiment: Stack Overflow TV

Matt ShermanStack Overflow is beginning an experiment called Stack Overflow TV, or SOTV for short. It will be a series of fast, smart videos for experienced programmers who want to learn a new thing. The videos will serve as a complement to Stack’s Q&A, and are intended for that community. Of course, they w...

;)
 
Watching is lame, I mean using a browser from inside the TV ;)
The PS4 browser sucks, that's for sure. Didn't try something else yet.
 
xb1 uses ms edge for its browser, so I dare not browse at all on it for fear of finding the next wanna cry virus.
 
Is this a virus?
"ransomware". heh
 
7:55 PM
Well, it alters your registry, hides an executable in a system folder, and runs a background process in order to assume some point of control over the target system. So, yeah, I would call it a virus. The end result, the type of attack, would still be ransomware. Plus, people like catch phrases so they need a good word to go with things nowadays :)
 
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8:07 PM
Chat says that I'm a chat user "since 2014-05-16" but nobody said Happy Birthday... :(
 
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I've got a feeling I'm not on Facebook anymore.
 
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*looks at meta after major release* pluralization bug that's been around for 3 years
 
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A bug that manifests itself only when something is downvoted below -127 and underflows?
 
8:42 PM
@Gerry - That reminds me of programming apps on a nokia phone
 
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8:52 PM
0
A: Momentjs - moment is not defined

KrakitoOK I'M STUPID GO BURN ME TO DEATH PLEASE I was editing since one hour the wrong index.html. I had recently moved my views folder. And I was editing the older version... Ok, so the best answer is, I'm stupid ! Thanks everyone to take time to try to answer.

 
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It takes a bit too much effort to get such Q/A pairs deleted.
 
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Hopefully it won't matter because it won't be high in search ranking, but that's not clear.
 
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> After a minor legal delay, I've now officially accepted an offer to be a developer @StackOverflow, in a very real, and legally binding sense pic.twitter.com/i0UMiqHFcG -- John M. Wright at 1:36 PM - 17 May 2017
 
@Gerry happy C-day!
 
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Puzzle: who is John M. Wright on Stack Overflow? (That is, what's his account?)
 
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9:00 PM
Too easy: there's a link on his website. :/
 
Here is you cake, @Gerry
@TravisJ can probably bring the booze
 
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With the obvious exception of Shog, @Shadow is the oldest chat user among the certified taverners, while @M.A.R is the newest.
 
@Gerry heh, Oded is older chat user, though he's not in that list for some reason... guess he's not visiting here enough.
 
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> To all who were saying the BioStar platform is "just fine" and "we don't need StackExchange", exhibit A: biostars.org/p/184993 #AhhhMyEyes -- Daniel Standage at 11:47 AM - 17 May 2017
 
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9:10 PM
He has a point...
 
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That said, 20 decent questions in the first 24+ hours of Bioinformatics.SE is not a lot.
 
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An unconventional mod nomination:
 
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> This is not a nomination as I don't believe in Moderators,
if there is no democratic system in place to dispute Moderator decisions.
IMHO the best Moderators are those chosen at random from the Community,
receiving Moderater priviliges for only 6 months. https://sharepoint.stackexchange.com/election/3#post-215545
 
9:31 PM
@ShadowWizard 25 year bowmore perhaps? :)
 
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@Servy We don't have a sustainable business model yet. Even if we did, we'd have to keep inventing or we'll eventually become obsolete. See The Innovator's Dilemma. — David Fullerton ♦ 17 mins ago
 
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Exhibit A ^. And exhibit B: Quora scores $85M funding as valuation doubles to $1.8B (April 2017)
 
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Combined funding to date: 70M for S* versus 226M for Quora.
 
Well, if it were from a pure funding approach, then those exhibits would basically refute the idea that no one wanted another yahoo answers.
Also to note, Quora is invasive as a site. SO is much less so.
I only say that because if you navigate through more than one link deep in their site they require you to register or prevent you from continuing. Or at least, what "Joe calls preventing" (family guy reference).
SE could compete in the yahoo answers arena if it made entertainment.stackexchange.com where literally any question went and the only close reason was "the post represents a real danger, either physically or as a result of following linked content".
 
10:06 PM
I feel chasing Yahoo is a losing proposition.
 
However, that would totally be pandora's box.
@JonEricson - Anything Yahoo seems to be losing :) However, Quora seems to have found an odd niche in there somewhere. I personally like the professionalism, or at least mostly, that is present in the content at Stack Exchange.
 
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Apparently, chasing anyone but developers is also considered a losing proposition.
 
10:24 PM
@Gerry If we put our mind to it, I bet we could corner the market in mathematician job listings.
 
That might not exactly be the best phrase to use :P
(usually cornering the market involves price manipulation of some sort)
 
@TravisJ Exactly. I was thinking of Trading Places. (But I guess this will be Exhibit A in the eventual legal battle. ;-)
 
lol
 
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@JonEricson No, not a chance against mathjobs.org
 
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Math.SE doesn't have many mathematicians. MO is pretty small. Most mathematicians use neither site.
 
10:38 PM
@Gerry Same profile for developers. (Well, if you define "use" as participate.)
 
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Well, use as "search and find answers at" isn't strong either. Professionals have little use for those, unlike the (much more numerous) students of mathematics.
 
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At least, I know that neither site is important to me as a professional.
 
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Nick Craver posted a remarkably timely tweet:
 
Makes sense. Math is a lot more mature than programming.
 
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> #1 Developer tool: Google. Nothing else even comes close. Stack Overflow is effectively a subset of Google for knowledge. #DevDiscuss -- Nick Craver at 6:51 PM - 16 May 2017
 
10:41 PM
What I would really use as a developer is somewhere that could take exhibit A (some random data set) and exhibit B (some random display layout) and then merge them into B with A's data.
Very tired of doing that myself.
 
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The thing is, Google traffic consists of people who didn't want to go to Stack Overflow. They wanted to go to Google with their question. An app can't capture that traffic.
 
Didn't want to go? Or perhaps didn't know to go?
 
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So when Kasra writes about app traffic being 1.5% of mobile web... that doesn't mean the other 98.5% are for grabs with better marketing or whatnot. They come via Google or not at all.
 
Who is using google as an app?
 
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Stack Overflow is not so popular as a website one visits, in the sense one goes to visit Facebook, etc. It's popular as a backend for Google's search interface. Which an app will never have.
 
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10:45 PM
@TravisJ That's not the point. My point is, to use an app you have to decide you are going to go look at SO. That's not how most people come to SO.
 
Okay, that's fair.
I guess the reason is that, in a very basic sense, writing a comment on facebook is "contributing". However, not everyone can actually contribute to SO - that is essentially by design. So for the large amount of people who cannot actively contribute, why would they choose to go and "visit" (i.e. casually browse) Stack Overflow?
I mean, let's be honest, of the group of casual browsers (which is probably not many) a lot of them come here with popcorn for teh meta.
Perhaps that was the goal of SO Docs? To get more casual browsing, and allow a broader swath of contribution - I vaguely remember people saying something to this extent.
Anyway, the point remains though, casual browsing requires an easier level of entry for contribution. There was a decent suggestion to that regard once, which was to allow users of a certain reputation the ability to have their own place to blog at Stack Overflow.
 
@TravisJ It was certainly a goal. I do see some people who have contributed to Docs who didn't ask or answer first.
 
It is also kinda hard to contribute such a polished work as a SO Docs topic + example set from a phone or mobile app.
 
Yeah. I'm skeptical. But then again, my son wrote a draft of an English paper on his phone.
 
I think my eyes would give out doing that, unless he used voice to text.
wow
That must be someone familiar with the site.
Based on the way they used -5 to start their comment with.
 
11:43 PM
@TravisJ google is sneaky though, their stock launcher on android is their app in essence. And they're the default for most anyway
and don't most people just find SO through google?
(Even on desktop)
 
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