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user315433

12:25 AM

More of the same: Why are moderators bloody psychopaths? by SzG on meta.stackoverflow.com

Shog9

1:08 AM

well, that was a happy hour.

user202362

user202362

1:44 AM

user202362

vultures must be one of the species that create minimum carbon print

user202362

like dead animals can decay and become fertilizer to the plants ... or the carcass can be eaten by a vulture and it's poop become fertilizer to the plants

user202362

vulture's impact is minimum

Shog9

2:19 AM

Yeah, but I'll bet they race big gas-guzzling trucks with the catalytic converters stripped out when no one is watching.

SmokeDetector

4:20 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: megacleanseradvice.com/platinum-xt-1000/ by user85079 on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

Shog9

@SmokeDetector when you're a spammer, and forget how to spell your product name...

hichris123

5:13 AM

→ 18 messages moved to Chimney

user315433

6:12 AM

> Code Golf is not exactly a traditional Q&A site. Currently, another CM is sorting through the list of community-requested features to see which we can impliment. Obviously, any new features that get created might influence the final design, so we're holding off on doing that work until we know what, if anything, might get added. -- disq.us/p/1fnnnoa

Shadow Wizard

7:29 AM

@zaq umm... of course? If not, what would??

Hopefully the troll got what he asked for.

@Shog9 so you enjoyed the silence?

Curious moment.... is Shog privileged for Smokey?

@zaq so quit quitting being addicted to quitting things

A E

10:19 AM

I'd be grateful if a mod with cross-SE experience could take a look at meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/3866/…

thanks

qwer

@SmokeDetector spam, also photo.stackexchange.com/questions/85511/…

M.A.R.

@AE Do muggles count?

qwer

@AE I can't comment because this seems to be an issue specific to skeptics.se, but since the question is not closed (then, it's on-topic), I don't see any issue. Anyone (and moderators) may vote what they want.

M.A.R.

Because I'm a cross-site muggle, not a mod.

user202362

@AE just take a look, really that simple?

user202362

10:28 AM

I am suspicious that there might be other motivations involved ...

M.A.R.

@Telkitty You're not obliged to read. Just look. I guess it's simple.

FWIW, I only saw a user commenting on their downvote. The fact that the user was a mod is irrelevant, because he didn't use his mod powers.

He didn't suppress anything.

CC @AE

qwer

!!/report photo.stackexchange.com/questions/85511/…

rene

@qwer I'm not going to spam flag that.

qwer

ok

rene

> actually don't try it; it'll screw up several of your running programs, as I was just able to confirm :)

Must be a post Y2K dev ...

qwer

10:45 AM

But that's true... testing "date/timezone changed" event on my smartphone broke many calendar reminders.

(although it's due to my own stupidity to test on personal phone)

rene

Yeah, time-travelling was and is a great test-challenge.

Don't try it on the corporate AD either ...

M.A.R.

11:19 AM

The meta.Skeptics post seems to be a promising grounds for drama.

user202362

12:29 PM

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user202362

hichris123

6:04 PM

→ 33 messages moved to Chimney

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M.A.R.

Yikes!

Tavern looks clean

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Q: Mutual Help proposal

I think we can all agree that it has become quite harsh to ask a question in StackOverflow without being bashed by more experienced users, I mean, If you take a look at all the questions that go past 20 upvotes, they are all at least 3 years old. Something has changed. My proposal is to make it...

There we go.

I missed these

M.A.R.

6:41 PM

@M.A.R. OK, I think I overdid it

user315433

Yes you did. If you are commenting on such a post, you are overdoing it.

M.A.R.

@zaq Well, I don't have any other way to waste time effectively

user315433

Unlucky you. :( Write a blog post.

user315433

Or a bug report. Should the names of deleted users be underlined on hover, given they are not links? Example: math.stackexchange.com/questions/70814/…

M.A.R.

@zaq Huh, that only happens in math.SE I think

user315433

6:47 PM

Deleted user's name underlines on hover as though it were a clickable link by senshin on meta.stackexchange.com

user315433

Maybe. Why don't you check the other 100 sites? That's a way to waste time.

M.A.R.

Well, I'm pretty sure it didn't happen on meta.SO

Because I was reading a close rant there today

user315433

Actually I don't know how many designed sites are there. Betas are all the same.

M.A.R.

And there was a deleted user, probably MichaelT, involved

user315433

Step 1: identify the sites with underline-username-on-hover.
Step 2: find a deleted user on that site.

M.A.R.

6:50 PM

I'm stuck with step 1.

user315433

Super User is one such site. Ask Ubuntu is another. Who was deleted there recently?

M.A.R.

I only know spammers

@zaq I think it's easier to look in meta.SU

Presumably the most downvoted meta posts

There you go . . . There's a bug when you hover over page numbers.

It wants to underline them, and the result is sub-optimal

user315433

A query: comments by deleted users

user315433

On SU, the username becomes of same color as text of the comment. Also a strange behavior, IMO - no style difference between text and username. Same on AU.

M.A.R.

@zaq Hmm, doesn't that also happen on beta sites?

I have added the output of cat -vet output.txt in the question. I don't think it is Windows processing, though, since it's not just a doubling of every line ending. Every thing gets turned into two (i.e. three or more also are turned into two). (sorry for my late reaction, btw. Was away without internet for the weekend) — Lu Kas Jan 16 at 11:44

Hmm, there are two Lu Kas's on that question.

O.O

user315433

6:58 PM

Yes, same on beta sites. Okay, let's say it's by design that the username is plain text. As long as there is no underline on hover.

user315433

Migration, and unlinked accounts on SO and SU with the same name.

M.A.R.

Aha yeah

I remember that buggish thing

user315433

Very confusing: Are bots asking seemingly valid questions? by Hovercraft Full Of Eels on meta.stackoverflow.com

M.A.R.

@zaq O.O

Hmm, perhaps it's a user or a bunch of users that have an assignment due tomorrow?

Heh, a Sunday.

Well, Sundays are not weekends here, so there might not be as well in whatever part of the world they are from.

user315433

It's Saturday here...

M.A.R.

7:04 PM

I meant the tomorrow.

Or it could be Monday.

Or it could be one user who feels like asking, but creates different accounts to do so

And when you're a non-native English speaker, your posts look a lot alike.

I can tell that from ELL users.

And the fact that they might be creating different accounts is what I've repeatedly seen on Chem.SE.

Never understood why though.

I'm just throwing out ideas, I haven't checked anything.

SystemUser

1 2

Only one user found for the search token ''SystemU''

because it has irrelevant noise, that is why. and it is tagged C++ ... — rene 13 mins ago

Just when you think you're the condescending guy in the room . . .

Never change, @rene

user315433

7:23 PM

7 sites have custom design but are not linked in the footer: Aviation, Blender, Emacs, Puzzling, Software Recommendations, The Workplace, Worldbuilding

user315433

So, the process is private beta -> public beta -> graduated -> designed -> linked in footer

user315433

5 stages of a site's life.

user315433

On most sites, the color of comment author's profile link changes slightly on hover, getting darker or brighter.

user315433

Aviation is an exception: the link goes from blue to red on hover.

user315433

There are 7 sites where the link is underlined on hover: Math, SU, AU, TeX, CStheory, Photo, ELU. Only on Math does the underline apply to deleted users.

M.A.R.

7:32 PM

I win.

Probably

user315433

I win, because I wasted time effectively, writing a meta post as a result.

user315433

Should I write another one to complain about the stale list of sites in the footer?

M.A.R.

Mumble mumble

Frank

How are the Taverners these days?

M.A.R.

Bored.

Also a bit stressed.

user315433

7:40 PM

Will the topbar redesign/merge affect the footer as well?

M.A.R.

Probably not

user315433

As long as "sticky" behavior is "in"... let's make it larger, to fit all the sites, including betas, and make it stick at the bottom of the viewport.

user315433

I think I would still have an inch of text between the header and footer on my 14'' screen.

M.A.R.

I can imagine the hilarity

Ugh, I kept typing ''hilarity'' as ''hilary''

M.A.R.

8:35 PM

@zaq google.com/…

Also urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Zaq

Which is a bit better

Alexis King

Confirmed: @zaq is a crazy J-pop star with a good sense of humor who also smells exceedingly nice.

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Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. Clinton?

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Yeah, that must have been the reason

Shadow Wizard

@AlexisKing how you know how he smells like? :D

user315433

@AlexisKing Why crazy?

user315433

8:39 PM

ZAQ/Serendipity ‐ Music Video

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user315433

Looks perfectly sane.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. so you admire her?

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard No, I've just heard her name more often than before in the previous month

I can hardly get myself to admiring any politician.

user315433

The message of the video is: make the Moon great again.

M.A.R.

If I admire them, it would be because of their other assets, which I know nothing of in Hillary's case

Alexis King

8:41 PM

@ShadowWizard @zaq I am just blindly trusting the internet, which as we all know, is always right.

M.A.R.

@AlexisKing Except when it said Trump stands no chance

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. it said? Where?

Alexis King

@M.A.R. Just alternative facts.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard You should first locate Internet so I can locate the place it said that

Shadow Wizard

Plot twist: the whole USA elections saga was just a prequel for a new book: Underestimating 101

M.A.R.

8:44 PM

Who's 101?

Shadow Wizard

(or: "Learn how to not underestimate others")

@M.A.R. a good friend

So many diamonds around me... so shiny....

user315433

9:00 PM

Bart Silverstrim left the company in September, hence no diamond. linkedin.com/in/bart-silverstrim-83394b17

Jason C

9:11 PM

If any of you guys are Bookshelf.js gurus, I'm getting kind of desperate here:

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Q: How do I properly update models with Bookshelf.js?

I'm sure I am missing something but I find the Bookshelf API to be relentlessly confusing for me. Here's what I am trying to do: I have a model called Radio with an application-assigned string primary key named serial and, for the purpose of this example, two fields named example1 and example2....

javascript node.js bookshelf.js

I absolutely have been unsuccessful in wrapping my head around this API in the two months since I started using it, and it's essentially tripled my development times compared to if I had just used raw SQL or Knex directly from the start.

Shadow Wizard

9:23 PM

@zaq yeah, even Rebecca is still there on the first page

@JasonC so why did you choose this? Or wasn't it your decision?

Jason C

Bookshelf

Dec 8 '16 at 4:26, 1 hour 34 minutes total – 34 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 13 secs ago by Jason C

I blame JamesENL and AlexisKing, lol.

user315433

Dec 8 '16 at 4:29, by Jason C

It looks awesome though. At least, it looks well-documented.

Jason C

The reality is I should have done a more thorough evaluation.

@zaq I know. It didn't end well.

It only appears well-documented at first glance. Like everything is documented. As it turns out, how to actually put all the pieces together seems to be missing. It sort of reminds me of the old disjoint hibernate docs (those are way better now).

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC heh, true. Well, for me the decision was made to use node.js but plain, without any API libraries.

(not entirely plain, using express)

Jason C

Knex I'd use again. That one's been a complete winner.

Shadow Wizard

9:28 PM

@JasonC is it too late to rollback and use it instead?

Jason C

If not solely for it's database migration features.

Shadow Wizard

BTW did you take the survey? @Jason

Jason C

Eh... kind of. It's not that it's too late, it's that I don't have time right now, because I have some large changes to make by Monday and I don't have time to refactor and retest all the other stuff.

What survey?

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC lol.... just some survey that is featured all around SE for two weeks...

Jason C

oh the dev survey?

Shadow Wizard

9:29 PM

yup

Jason C

I think I remember taking that some other year.

Shadow Wizard

This year it's giving a badge!

Silver!

;)

but no more guessing amount of M&M :(

user315433

But you can give some advice to a Catherine who lives next door to Alice.

Jason C

Really. How do you pronounce "GIF"? => "Image", the format is almost never relevant.

Asking the important questions.

"If two developers are sharing an office, is it OK for one of them to get a mechanical keyboard with loud "clicky" keys?" Lol. From personal experience: It's only OK if I get one too, otherwise I'm totally stealing it. Because they're awesome.

Jason C

9:51 PM

how many questions are on this survey

it's kind of not ending

So @Shog9, be honest, are you just in it for the money?

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC maaaaaaaaannnnny

and then some more

Jason C

God that was long.

Shadow Wizard

Took me about an hour, but just because kids needed my attention all the time

Jason C

Also I forgot to add VHDL to the list of suggested languages.

Shadow Wizard

If I would have been alone could do it in ~10 minutes

Jason C

9:56 PM

It really needed a progress bar.

Shadow Wizard

yeah

But then people would give up in the beginning

Jason C

Maybe.

user315433

It should be a Windows-style progress bar.

user315433

They could say "the connection is probably lost," but it's more fun to do naive time-averaging to give you hope that if you wait around for 1,163 hours, it will finally finish.

Jason C

I wonder how many people gave up in the middle. That's what progress bars stop me from doing. I don't mind length, I just don't like uncertainty.

Lol.

Every question you answer adds two to the total number of questions.

Shadow Wizard

9:57 PM

@JasonC heh, you're not common

so you finished it? @Jason

Jason C

Yeah I'm done.

Shadow Wizard

Cool! Badge in 6-8 days/weeks :D

Jason C

You know, they could have a progress bar, not display the total, and just make it increment slightly more at the start, lol.

Like every question gets you half the remaining progress. Suck you in.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC that's cheating! ;)

Jason C

Lol

user315433

10:10 PM

Zeno's paradox, Dichotomy

user315433

Of course it's already implemented: jan-martinek.com/etc/zeno

user315433

Back to our regular meta schedule: Why are people on stack overflow (mostly) mean, and extremely cocky? by cmp on meta.stackoverflow.com

Jason C

10:45 PM

Lol

I never understand when questions like that come up. Like really, are you new to the internet? It's only been this way for like 40 years. It's like when I see drivers get angry in NYC traffic; deal with it gracefully or don't drive in it... like, what did you expect?

It's a bunch of anonymous angsty people without the feedback of body language and tone. In what universe does that = constant group hug?

rene

I do think the social networks play a role here. If your world was FaceBook with all its likes, it is a bit of a surprise that the dislikes come in much quicker on SO. I can imagine the shock leads to some anger.

Jason C

11:03 PM

That's interesting. I never thought of Facebook (and other)'s bias towards the positive as being significant before.

Something I always notice in real life in the past 5-10 years is younger people are really bad at expressing and receiving negativity in face-to-face conversations. E.g. something like "excuse me can you move your car, I'm trying to pull out" seems to be a really hard thing for people to say without coming in hot and blurting it out angrily. I always blamed growing up with faceless communication, but I wonder if the constant "likes" are also a factor.

bjb568

11:26 PM

Fractals are not self-similar

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wow

user315433

3Blue1Brown is very good. About the only channel I'm subscribed to, although since I'm never on YT, subscription doesn't mean much.

bjb568

:D

user315433

When he complains (~11 min) about slow convergence for disk-covered-by-squares (3.39 doesn't look much like 2 squared), this is related to Gauss circle problem, still unsolved: show that the error term is of size roughly sqrt(radius).

Bookshelf

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