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12:00 AM

:D

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A: How to prevent the chicken breasts from drying out

Simply cover your chicken breasts with streaky bacon. The salt in the bacon and also the fat from the bacon will keep the meat juicy.

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Simple, yet delicious. cc @bacon

12:24 AM

:D

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Tip for incoming college freshmen: if you are going to send your document to an email you found in the footer of a website, at least include some text explaining what it's for ("sent from my iPhone" doesn't count.) Otherwise some webmaster is going to be puzzled.

wat

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How was the math test?

Horrible

yo @hichris, you around?

Possibly.

12:35 AM

I need to abuse your diamond for a bit :p

Can you rename the Deep Web chatroom? meta.deepweb.stackexchange.com/questions/24/…

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Is there a clear winner?

well, kinda

the chatroom is pretty empty at the moment and it's not like we have a huge userbase to discuss it over again

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Still, 7 vs 6 is not really clear.

@sandwich that was pretty good, thanks

It's now 7 vs 7, I hope that cleared things up.

12:43 AM

Thanks @bjb but the deadline was 40 minutes ago

@Quill Fine, but at least make it "The Inner Layer". Just "Inner Layer" sounds weird.

okey

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I'd say it's too close to call and wait for more suggestions/votes. Building community on a rigid schedule doesn't really work, as SE found out years ago.

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WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT ME?

because you can never have too many communities

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12:49 AM

Because small caps are a lost art.

It's like that for YOUR COMMUNITIES though too. Did YCS hack in or something?

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They were like that for a long time. The footer has all-caps headers, too.

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I'm more disturbed by this ^ because I expect it to start blinking or change color any second.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@sandwich claps so true

12:52 AM

@sandwich Yes, but they weren't so bold...

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@sandwich having a specific case being part of your design is such an old tactic <_<

@hichris123 Meta is the only community that matters

Indeed.

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Q: Site switcher shows blank community name in Community Moderators Blog

In Stack Exchange Community Moderator Blog, the site switcher shows me... Well...have I strayed from Stack Exchange network?

bug top-bar stackexchange-button blog-overflow

1:06 AM

I just spilt coffee all over my keyboard

> The suggestions were pretty evenly voted, so we'll give it another week and then decide for certain. Until then, it will be set to "The Inner Layer". Happy Voting :)

that site...

...needs more people who know stuff.

yeah, our top rep user (who passed me) writes like FGITW small and generally not-so-great answers

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Stephenie Meyer may be able to help.

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We have met the enemy and he is us.

goddamn it

@Shog9 so does every site

1:22 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why does my whirlpool ice maker make ice, quit for several weeks, then start again? by Dick in my ass on diy.stackexchange.com …

that can't have been real spam

the one that was just deleted?

yeah

B. Clay Shannon, Monterey, California, United States

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c# jquery html winforms css windows-ce compact-framework

This person has asked 0.017% of all questions on Stack Overflow

"winforms" ~shudders

Wow, even Gold has only asked a quarter of that.

1:29 AM

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ubuntu windows-7 linux firefox pdf cpu networking

I wonder what the largest site participation percentage rate is on any graduated site

...what?

Charo ♦, Barcelona, Spain

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word-usage word-meaning verbs meaning grammar word-choice difference

This person has asked 28% of all questions on Italian Language

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The suspended Tim has the Socratic badge.

yeah, that's... Kinda an unfortunate example

heh. PHP

1:33 AM

@Quill ah, yes. Our friend there has asked 38.75% of all questions on that site.

that's why I said graduated

@Quill Well... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/199353/…

let's hope I don't become a fugitive, stack exchange will be like "yeah, we gave him up. good riddance too."

in all seriousness, good answer

@Quill graduated would be this guy:

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этимология пунктуация грамотная-речь орфография фразеология однокоренные-слова фонетика

@Boann: 0) privacy != anonymity. 1) this has been publicly documented for years, and... It's optional (you don't have to provide an email). We recently changed the system to use a salted hash for most users by default, meaning you have to opt-in to exposing even your hashed email. 2) Most of The Internet works this way, and has for many years - you can avoid it if you really want to. 3) HTTPS has never worked properly on SO - we're working on fixing that, but there are many hurdles. — Shog9 ♦ Oct 6 '13 at 15:41

1:35 AM

oh wait, wrong Russian site, that one's not graduated.

"we're working on fixing that"... 3 years later...

Haha, DevDoodle had SSL a long time ago.

Haha, Stack Exchange has had traffic since a long time ago.

Looks like our dear friend Gold has Socratic too: stackoverflow.com/help/badges/4129/socratic?userid=43907

you're still using SSL?

Memor-X, Rathror Estate, Lucaria

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identification-request fate-stay-night code-geass fate-zero madoka-magica nanoha sword-art-online

I guess Anime is graduated

1:37 AM

yeah

so our friend here has 4.75% of questions there

the mods there are pretty good, JNat came from there too

@Shog9 TLS, same thing.

There are just too many TLAs.

...sez bjb

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@hichris123 (2) is a really weak argument

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1:39 AM

Identify all the things. (Anime is at least trying to do something there)

every time i say "SSL" someone mentions the difference between TLS and SSL. i know! i also love to drink "champagne" from napa.

Tweeted by __apf__ on May 11, 2016 at 2:52 PM

they're asking for CMs to blacklist the tag, no more IDs after that

@bjb568 also untrue

Popularity is not morality.

@hichris123 I, too, like to use IDEs which basically only edit text.

TLS is not morality either

@bjb568 You really had to dig for that one, didn't you...

1:45 AM

@Quill Y TU MADRE TAMBIÉN

anyway, interesting stats. thanks @shog

can you flip the table and see how the stats are for answers @shog?

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2:02 AM

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Dingo ...

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@Quill I did something similar recently, starting from here.

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"Most answers" strongly correlates with "top user".

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Marius has 2,999 answers and 97,999 rep on Magento.

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Which is 6.685% of all answers on the site.

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2:05 AM

Pretty sure this is the record for graduated sites.

2:22 AM

Hey @Shog9, I understand Deep Web's answer quality could be better, but are there specific examples that the Community Growth team are looking at as highlights of low quality?

2:34 AM

also please don't post my profile in response to that question

@Quill I've not discussed it with the rest of the team, but it looks to me that many of the questions would be fine for our Tor site. For the first day or so, it seemed like most of the questions on main could have been on meta. It's sorta a red flag when questions include the name of the site in their title. It seems to suffer the AI problem:

No Artificial Intelligence in Area 51

Robert Cartaino on December 23, 2010

On Monday afternoon, we unceremoniously closed down a Stack Exchange site: Artificial Intelligence.

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Suddenly, the issue of naming the chatroom doesn't look so big anymore.

Yeah, there's a bit of disjoint opinion as to how we handle Tor-related questions

@JonEricson They're trying it again you know...

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Artificial Intelligence

Proposed Q&A site for people concerned with questions on how, why, and what with AI. The world is moving with OpenAI, TensorFlow, Ex Machina, Singularity, etc, and we want to understand what is happening with technology, philosophy, cybernetics, and soft/hardware.

Currently in commitment.

I'm for the approach where we require it to be non-Tor specifically, but I don't believe Meta has an authoritative post about it yet

2:45 AM

@hichris123 AI proposals are the background radiation of Area 51.

Also, that blog post was slightly messed up (still cleaning up from the switch): github.com/StackExchange/stack-blog/pull/238

@JonEricson that blog post was good insight

@Quill It's almost certainly going to be impossible to exclude Tor questions. The problem is there doesn't seem to be enough non-Tor questions to sustain the site.

@hichris123 Sadly, I don't have a commit bit on that project.

@JonEricson Obviously you need to fix that.

Okay, well, thanks @JonEricson, your feedback was both helpful and appreciated

2:58 AM

hello fellow porgammers

i am here to porg

bleep bloop

Interesting graph from a meta.SciFi post: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/490432/… (deleted posts/day)

Good lord, I'm not sure I can take this change @Doorhandle.

He's looking for a pergamento.

@JamesENL Don't worry, @Doorhandle is not the same as Doorknob.

@hichris123 errrrrr, twins?

3:01 AM

> dative singular of pergamentum

That was... so helpful.

> Hi, I'm The Wobbuffet, but you can call me CrispBit, but you can call me Abe, but you can call me Cilan, but you can call me ManOfSnow.

@hichris123 ikr, i'm studying latin and that website has been SO HELPFUL -_-

@hichris123 I don't get it

I have to click, like, 10 links to see what I want!

@hichris123 pergamino

@JamesENL It's from @Doorhandle's profile. To answer the question, I believe that they might know each other.

3:03 AM

i forgot is this chat supposed to be pg13

chill out @Doorhandle

@hichris123 I am best irl friends with Doorknob

Pergamino (Spanish pronunciation: [perɣaˈmino]) is an Argentine city in the Province of Buenos Aires. It has a population of about 104,985 inhabitants as per the 2010 census [INDEC] and is the administrative seat of its county, Pergamino Partido. Its UN/LOCODE is ARPGO. == History == Long valued for its many springs and fertile land, the area had been home to the Charrúa and Araucanian people when it was first noticed by Spanish colonist around 1620. Becoming a posada along the trade route between colonial Buenos Aires and Córdoba, the settlement was given its name on 3 January 1626, for ...

err

maybe not best, but regular friends

@Doorhandle it's ok bjb is at least 15, so PG15 would be more appropriate

3:03 AM

@JamesENL I also b 15

can i get a 15 five

high 15*

@Doorhandle No flirting in this chat.

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i dont even know

😶

@tchrist I seem to remember Doorknob was also quite young which startled the hell out of me. But yes, flirting should be discouraged, lest we all end up in court

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There are more young people in this chat than you would think, @JamesENL.

3:06 AM

@JamesENL ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) its k bby no homo

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@Doorhandle as I said to my boyfriend last night

@Doorhandle All cats are the same color after the dark is full of terrors.

</thats-enough>

What? I actually offered my boyfriend a seat last night on the train

gestures futilely at the imprecation against flirting in the northeast

3:09 AM

On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

women programmers? thank you for taking our jobs

@Doorhandle I'm gay

who wants to wager how long it'll be before something gets flagged

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Well, time for your bot to shine...

@JamesENL Where'd you get that from?

3:10 AM

Teh googles

@sandwich Bringhurst.

@bjb568 Probably

But I figured it suited

@JamesENL thats what i thought but i figured if you were then it could be an out-of-context random comment

7 mins ago, by tchrist

@Doorhandle No flirting in this chat.

i aint flirting i said no homo

3:12 AM

Yeah, man.

This too shall pass.

so like

@tchrist Flirting with a 15 year old? May I refer you to the image above?

am i breaking any rules? i dont remember how this chat is

This chat is about waffle. Outside that, it's a bannable offense

3:13 AM

Oh, Doorhandle, don't expect there to be rules in the Tav.

(unless the duck is here!)

(there's no duck already...)

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:o

What is the age of consent in America? Does it vary by state?

be-nice

3:15 AM

@JamesENL 18 i think. japan is 13

where do you live

specifically, street address and ---

@JamesENL 16-18 depending on state

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Q: Android App: Applause needed

I'm using this app for some time now. This is just a reminder what you would do without it, and of course with its creators.

discussion support

I'm in Australia with Quill

and it varies by state

Western Australia is 16

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"What would you do with its creators" hmmm

Drinking, voting and smoking age is 18

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3:16 AM

@JamesENL Especially if done in that order

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@JamesENL you know what follows drinking ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

> applause needed

@JamesENL but here drinking b 21

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Unless you're in college.

3:17 AM

@JamesENL you're on the other side of the country from me, but close enough

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Then the age doesn't really matter.

@Doorhandle errrrrr

@Quill Aww.

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Is it hetero?

3:18 AM

@bjb568 I know, if we were nearby, we could both do a timed flag so there's two chat flags at the same time

Pretty sure that in Australia the age of consent is the same for hetero and homo

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No data available for Texas? O_O

is this conversation really an appropriate discussion topic?

@sandwich Religious conservative politics strike again

@Quill it'll make interesting reading for the police later

@sandwich It's banned in Texas along with education, YCS, neck colors besides red, having more than one political party…

3:23 AM

@bjb568 YCS?

kernel

… Enlightenment ideas, the media, independent thot…

@JamesENL common sense

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I lived in Texas long enough to observe it not being much of that...

Your Common Sense

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Well, I'm up pas my bed time :3

Night!

@bjb568 When are you not?

@Quill may I ask how old you are?

3:27 AM

17 my good friend

@bjb568 good night

I feel so old

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A: How to get heat high enough for stir fry?

I have never tried it but when I googled wok burners (thinking to find a standalone high-output gas hob), I found this article about a wok ring called the "WokMon" on Serious Eats and had to post it here: A couple months ago I was approached by Glen Lee, an inventor who claimed to have an ing...

Then again my boyfriend is 17 so maybe not

That'll wear you out.

But I agree that this is far too creepy a conversation.

Sep 26 '15 at 18:41, by tchrist

This is the only tavern I know that readily admits minors who cannot buy alcohol by virtue of their tender years — and it shows.

3:31 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Sudden, unexpected Blitz like attacks all over the world. What would happen next? by OP's_Computer on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com …

Obviously not talking about any specific person there...

@hichris123 considering how many people here fit into that description....

@tchrist You're the first person that hasn't been judgemental about the age difference

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Thanks

3:32 AM

@Quill well that whole conversation was about @bjb568's bot so...

@JamesENL Why, are you 75 or something?

@tchrist 23

Ptah.

@JamesENL Interestingly enough I know two people in a relationship with the exact same ages. Though they're in the US...

Like both born on the same day?

3:34 AM

I don't think identical twins counts as a relationship.

@JamesENL No, one's 17 and one is 23.

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The full analysis is of course much more complicated, but I can't stay to talk about it because I have a date.

Oh right

the last speech bubble ruined it

It was slightly awkward, I asked him out before I asked his age. I was expecting him to say 19/20

3:37 AM

@JamesENL I don't know you two enough to be judgemental.

@tchrist That doesn't stop most people

It should.

We don't live in an ideal world. I dread what'll happen when he tells his mother. She thinks we are just friends

Placebo - Hold On To Me (ALTERNATE DIRECTOR VERSION)

@JamesENL As long as you're not some really creepy guy it's probably okay...

3:41 AM

Current results are from 2015 and earlier - 11pm EST — DVK 32 mins ago

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Q: Best place to ask about Facebook history (if any)?

I feel like I remember that Facebook used to be private and invitation only but can't find any information to back this up. My efforts finding an answer through Google have mostly returned pages related to Facebook events, since those involve invitations. Likewise, Wikipedia only mentions that th...

support site-recommendation

wat

Now you've got me paranoid, do I look creepy?

you don't look like your avatar

@JamesENL Look at the difference between the UK and US versions of Queer as Folk: they had to age up the 15yo to 17yo to make it sellable to a North American audience. And that had a 29yo on the other end. I don't think you're out of line if that's really your self-portrait.

3:43 AM

@Quill I'm changing it now

I was making a joke :p Archer's hilarious

Jazz hands!

@JamesENL I think it more depends on your personality than your appearance... but from chatting with you, you don't seem like a creepy person, no.

😎

😹

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3:44 AM

What happens if you star an emoji?

Works nicely

@JamesENL Somebody usually replies with a ಠ_ಠ

tchrist gets mad because SE devs don't understand Unicode?

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Guess it's not that bad.

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Q: Unicode mishandling bug in chat starboard truncati�

I see dead charac�... TD;DR: Just like how when you cut a worm in half, you don’t get two worms because both parts die being non-viable each on its own, so too does cutting a character in half result in dead characters. Characters are atomic and must never be split. In chat when something lon...

bug comments chat unicode

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Variable length encoding is too scary to think about.

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2^16 characters ought to be enough for everyone.

3:49 AM

This chat does have the "Be nice" rule @Doorhandle ....

start of a joke: A CM, a Dev and a Founder walk into a question together

@Sunshine Yay!

@sandwich UTF-8

We all live with it every day.

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Now I'm scared of typing...

@hichris123 Thinking about this, I think that it speaks to what SE represents that this tavern exists. We don't care how old someone is, what language they speak, where they live or their sexuality. Everyone's free to join and contribute.

developer.android.com/reference/android/os/…

3:51 AM

@Sunshine Isn't SE in violation of that rule? They're not bring that nice to emojis and other Unicode symbols (chopping off one out 147 certainly is not nice).

@JamesENL Yep. As long as you don't cause too much of a mess you're perfectly okay to participate.

@JamesENL Well, except for php.

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A: What's the meaning of DISALLOW_FUN in Android's source code?

It's an attempt to make Android compatible with Windows Phone users.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 49 secs ago, by Undo

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@bacon In the spirit of disallowing fun, I flagged it as NAA

@Sunshine idk I remember when I was like 13 there were a lot of people who had sticks up their asses about what I said

@Doorhandle That's still coarse.

Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office

The Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office is the title of the official resident cat of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom at 10 Downing Street. Only three cats, Humphrey, Sybil and Larry, have been given the title officially; other cats were given this title affectionately, usually by the British press. There has been a resident Treasury or Downing Street cat employed as a mouser and pet since the reign of Henry VIII, when Cardinal Wolsey placed his cat by his side while acting in his judicial capacity as Lord Chancellor, an office he assumed in 1515. == History == Official records released...

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4:07 AM

@SmokeDetector del was handled

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A per-site meta account without main site account... shouldn't happen, right? Incomplete deletion of user account? by user338955 on meta.math.stackexchange.com

@tchrist Chief mouse?

My optimizer uses content-aware inpainting to fill in all the wasted whitespace in the code, repeating the process until it compiles.

new XKCD

@Quill You know the word mouser, right?

it was a joke

Chef mousse, then.

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4:35 AM

Had to abandon my camping stove because it's not allowed in carry on luggage.

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They did not say anything at Sydney airport ...

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But apparently the security check is more strict at Uluru because they are afraid that terrorists would hijack the plane & ram into a giant rock??

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Support You Lose Faster And Permanently by michaeharpern on security.stackexchange.com …

4:51 AM

@hichris123 Yes. :D

@Doorhandle So? Be the better person.

My senior developer is salty because I get to play with node while he's stuck doing PHP

Node is great

5:57 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Is There A Professional Essay Writing Service That Can Write My Paper For Cheap? by Becnelchrist5 on christianity.stackexchange.com …

sd k

→ 2 messages moved to Sandbox

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Celui-ci est mis en place pour faire des by eds18357 on arduino.stackexchange.com …

@Sunshine is there not a Trash room to move those to?

@Quill No. Also, does the name of the room really matter? Sandbox or trash - both are just rooms, and a dedicated trash room will freeze due to inactivity.

6:00 AM

sd k

le spam

@Sunshine the dedicated Trash rooms on SO and SE chat are no-freeze rooms

@Quill Ok, still, there is not much trash on MSE chat to request a no-freeze trash room. I just move a few messages when I anticipate someone may flag them or they become obsolete (e.g. Smokey reports after the posts are gone), and I don't think a dedicated trash room is required for a single user usage.

Yeah, I figured it would have one like the other domains, but if not, sandbox works

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This potential reduction in appetite? by Matilda bandi on drupal.stackexchange.com …

6:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Life Changing Weight Loss by alishtreme on security.stackexchange.com …

sd 2k

If you want a reduction in appetite, take dexamphetamine. Probably best to get it prescribed by a doctor though.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Normal Penis Size In Pines And Ins Enlargement Surgery by rikrinlse on workplace.stackexchange.com …

7:19 AM

@Sunshine ~~Morning~~ Quack!

Peter David Carter

I wish to appeal my permanent ban from RPG Stack Exchange.

On that basis the ban has nothing to do with any further action on the site itself, nor is motivated by anything other than a personal disagreement with the moderator on Meta.

7:58 AM

@PeterDavidCarter not permanent, one year.

I've seen users with a full year ban coming back, it's not permanent.

Peter David Carter

Ah. Ok. The message I got says: "For theses reasons, compounded by being unwilling to accept responsibility for your behaviour, you are not a good fit for the Roleplaying Games Stack Exchange at this time and your current suspension has been upgrade to a permanent ban."

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to transfer data from android to iPhone 6s using an existing iCloud account? by SuzyWhittamore on apple.stackexchange.com …

I never heard of permanent ban on SE.

@PeterDavidCarter oh. I don't think moderators have the authority for such a thing, and your profile show one year suspension. @Shog can a site moderator decide to put a permanent ban like that?

There's only suspension, which I have seen as long as more than 7 years.

Peter David Carter

8:00 AM

They say they understand don't using words like 'non-consensual' and 'red-flags' in combination to describe actions might be seen as triggering and unwelcome and have prompted an emotional response.

@Peter you better contact the team directly about it.

Either email or the contact us form, both reach the same place.

Peter David Carter

I am. I should probably take a little bit of time to compose myself and write a response which addresses every aspect of the e-mail.

True.

@bacon well, there is 50 years network wide suspension, CM's sometimes do this for heavy trolls or spammers.

Peter David Carter

Unfortunately they refer to a number of comments which have been deleted. Is there a way I can retrieve deleted comments so I might be afforded a chance to speak fully in my own defence?

@Derpy Quack!

8:03 AM

@PeterDavidCarter you can't, but if you remember the post where the comments were posted you can link to those posts, and SE team can see the deleted comments.

(as can any moderator)

Peter David Carter

All I did was post something they didn't understand and/or didn't want to know about. That is: I made a post which used some real-life and RPG terms interchangeably to demonstrate the manner in which the one might bleed into the other.

@PeterDavidCarter no point trying to convince us. We can't do anything, and it's only one side of the story.

SE team can see the whole picture, we can't.

So, better have it all in the email you'll be sending. :)

I quacked in the middle of a serious discussion

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trembles

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@Sunshine well, I assume @Peter here already understand the nature of the Tavern... :)

Peter David Carter

ducks are always welcome

right, that's it; it's time for the nuclear option: I'm changing my profile pic on Meta

8:07 AM

@Peter if it's any comfort you're not alone. @UNIMATRIX is also suspended for a whole year, even though on a different site and for different reason, but he also believes this was done wrongly.

Dunno if he contacted the team about it, guess he did, so my point is don't build your hopes too high, and expect the worst. (i.e. suspension will not be lifted)

Peter David Carter

Yeah, I don't expect it to be.

Also the picture I wanted won't resize the right way, so I guess I'm stuck with this one.

It's not even like I had much rep on there, and I expected any question I asked to be auto-downvoted anyway (there's always a way to find a reason). It just feels wrong to let people get away with things when you know their reasoning to be malicious. It feels like encouraging them to do it again because they see that they can.

@PeterDavidCarter yeah, happens to me too with real life pictures I sometimes use as avatars.... :/

@PeterDavidCarter I get your point, but as in the real world, sometimes things are not 100% right or just. (or, people have different definition for "right" and "just".)

As you are suspended on 3 different SE sites at present, there might be something you may have misunderstood about how SE sites work...

Peter David Carter

Like: "You are welcome to appeal your ban if you manage to overcome these problems, whether through personal growth or the enlistment of professional help." Seriously. Professional help?

@PeterDavidCarter huh? Where you saw it?

Peter David Carter

8:14 AM

That's in the message they just sent me. Signed off by three RPG mods.

Well... I read his meta post, and I really think he's confronting mods in wrong way.

(IMHO)

Peter David Carter

I tried the right way and nothing happened. It was the only option I could think of -- to try to divorce the 'self' from the equation so people could try to look at things objectively. But if you think there are better ways to deal with it, I'd be very willing to take suggestions.

@PeterDavidCarter well, that might indeed be out of place. Just include this in the email to the team. But like I said, any coin has two sides. You show us only one side, and we can't possibly know what's on the other side.

> Just a note, every time you receive (or send) a message to a moderator, they are CC'ed to Stack Exchange employees.

The very first thing I see is to not use physiological experiment as comparison. It sounds wrong to me, like labeling 'nazi' to someone.

Peter David Carter

8:17 AM

To be fair I'm directly quoting the e-mail they sent and signed off on. I really don't think it appropriate to be implying users need professional help because they disagreed with a decision you made about moderation and maintain they have done nothing wrong. But I do think its important to try to see both sides of everything.

Perhaps. I can certainly see why they might have been upset by reference to The Stanford Prison Experiment, but I really, really do so their behaviour as analogous, though obviously to a lesser degree, which I should perhaps have made clear, but this was an immediate reaction to the comments about 'red-flags' 'non-consensual [DMing]' and 'maybe [your RPG group] just can't stand you'.

all of which are still maintained as supposedly acceptable by moderators

user202362

8:45 AM

@Sunshine even chat messages?

@Sunshine That's natural.

But if it's chat messages also, it's unnatural.

I mean, who wants to see me ping-attack Martin in Chem's chat except Martin?

user202362

SE has to make sure that you are not harassing any moderators

user202362

Especially with a lot of young mods around, it's a responsible thing to make sure that predators are kept at the bay ...

SE has to make sure the Community Managers don't fall asleep or get bored.

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Peter David Carter

8:52 AM

@Telkitty Have there been historical problems with predatory behaviour on the site?

I could certainly understand how some of the moderator language might have seemed more appropriate than it was if members are in some way predisposed to expect it due to past experience with other users or moderators

@PeterDavidCarter It's their everyday meal I believe.

Mods aren't chipping in when you're a good citizen.

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Do you mean a good citizen in terms of following the rules in general? Do you have any specific person or case in mind? Might moderators also occasionally act out of personal motivations, as well as in regard to citizenship tests, or does Stack Exchange manage to regulate these tendencies effectively?

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