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Jason C

8:30 PM

in The Pitstop on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by Darth_Vader

amaretto

@JasonC what is going on here? whatever it is, I like it

Jason C

@hichris123 Wth. Was Shog behind that?

We had 9 stars on the "smokey stays" comment and 2 on the "smokey's not here any more" comment.

amaretto

but smokey posted recently

hichris123

@JasonC Kinda; he suggested it and I agreed. Smokey has been posting 80 messages a day, the Tavern has only had about 400 messages a day. That's just too many.

But as @amaretto said, Smokey's back in a more limited form.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: Browser Hijacker - Can't find any information on it by Wallrats on superuser.com …

hichris123

8:34 PM

4 hours ago, by hichris123

Smokey will now post reports in here if the post hasn't been deleted in five minutes and the report wasn't marked as a false positive.

amaretto

:4717979 speak of the devil

hichris123

@SmokeDetector naa

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Recorded answer as an NAA in metasmoke.

hichris123

Forgot the -...

amaretto

I thought this was the “Smokey and sometimes other posters” room

hichris123

8:37 PM

in CoGro Musings, 3 hours ago, by bluefeet

Musings are difficult lately

Jason C

@hichris123 I'll complain more if I don't like his new limited form. But you should've taken a vote or something. Shog's barely here anyways.

Fwiw you've made my inner cat grumpy.

hichris123

@JasonC eh. Since I have commit access, I can form a one person consensus. ;P

I think this is better than my auto-deletion form.

We still can cleanup spam posts that languish, but without cluttering the room up with deleted messages.

And five minutes to delete is more reasonable than 2.

amaretto

I’m probably alone in thinking that the quality of a room is directly proportional to the number of posts by bots

hichris123

The key is striking a balance.

You don't want people to think a room is solely full of bot postings.

amaretto

that’s what I want, but I’m crazy

tchrist

8:43 PM

@amaretto Inversely proportional to the ratio of bot-posts to yuman-posts.

Jason C

@amaretto And under that assumption, the quality of a room can be greatly improved by ignoring the freakin' bot. A challenging task, I know.

amaretto

@JasonC no, I like bots. I would have to ignore everybody who isn’t a bot.

directly proportional

Jason C

Oh I misread.

hichris123

@JasonC Though if someone walks into your home (the chatroom) and sees it full of machines (bots) instead of humans (users), are they really going to want to eat dinner with you (have a conversation)?

Jason C

So under that assumption, the quality of a room can be greatly improved by ignoring everybody in it.

@hichris123 I really have no interest in cooking dinner for somebody who just randomly walks into my home.

hichris123

8:45 PM

Fair enough. :P

Jason C

I don't live in an RPG village. People aren't just coming in here and opening my treasure chests while I wander aimlessly around the house.

Not that I don't wander aimlessly around the house, mind you.

hichris123

I see.

You can remove stars, right @JasonC?

Jason C

Yes although philosophically I don't like to.

But if you make a moderately compelling case, sure.

hichris123

Can you remove the stars though on my message about Smokey no longer posting in here? chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4717096#4717096

It's no longer accurate.

Jason C

Ok.

hichris123

8:49 PM

Apparently that was a "moderately compelling" argument.

Jason C

"Obsolete" is good enough for a comment flag, it's good enough for me.

Realizes all the stars are too chatty, cancels all the stars.

hichris123

You can bother Undo with comment flags. Remember, he's an SO mod now. ;)

Jason C

hichris123

@JasonC If you were a mod you could pull a badp.

In which @badp timed out the bridge for a day

Aug 20 '14 at 16:15, 6 minutes total – 78 messages, 12 users, 29 stars

Bookmarked Aug 21 '14 at 13:14 by Unionhawk

Jason C

Lol. Awesome.

hichris123

8:58 PM

@JasonC for mod!

rene

No!

hichris123

:(

See @JasonC: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28392649#28392649 was taken care of in 50 seconds. Now we don't clutter up the Tavern with a report that would've just been deleted.

amaretto

JasonC for president!

Jason C

@rene Lol

Thanks for your support.

rene

@JasonC you're welcome, you know where to send the fertilizer...

user315433

9:06 PM

@dhekke checkout how dope my entire kitchen is. it's in the 650sqft living room. https://t.co/dwsKds8XKv

Tweeted by jc4p on March 20, 2016 at 8:03 PM in reply to dhekke

user315433

^ After Kasra moved out of NYC.

amaretto

@404 why is there a laptop in the kitchen?

Jason C

Lol

user315433

@amaretto Because he's a developer?

Jason C

I'm actually pretty into my kitchen. I love my apartment. I was actually on the verge of finally moving out of NYC a couple years ago, and I gave looking for apartments one more shot just for grins and found this place.

amaretto

9:09 PM

@404 don’t developers have desktops? I took over my formal dining room for an office, and now I have a computer near the kitchen

Jason C

I'm a developer.

I haven't owned a desktop in 16 years.

amaretto

:-o

heretic

hichris123

@JasonC You can tell the web developers from the desktop developers very easily with statements like those. ;)

Jason C

I wouldn't even be able to function without a laptop, I do so much on-site work.

user315433

Jason C

9:10 PM

@hichris123 Web developers have desktop pcs?

(Stereotypically speaking?)

user315433

^^ Arie Litovsky. Laptops on counters all around.

amaretto

I have a laptop but the screen is broken, so it can’t move away from my desktop monitor

Jason C

Lol

hichris123

@JasonC If it's a large application for sure... trying to compile Chromium or Firefox or apps like those on a laptop is not fun.

amaretto

don’t tell me I’m the only person who still uses desktops

hichris123

9:13 PM

I'm using a desktop currently.

amaretto

I bought desktop components mostly at random, and then realized that I bought the fastest CPU available to the common man

can’t get that in a laptop

Jason C

@hichris123 Nah; nothing a 3.7ghz quad core xeon couldn't handle.

hichris123

@amaretto Hopefully not an extreme edition?

amaretto

@hichris123 just some sort of CPU that was on sale. 4 GHz Intel something.

Jason C

Besides, time saved with desktop power < time lost by not being able to work on airplanes.

hichris123

9:16 PM

@JasonC On Windows, compilation of Chromium with an i7 4790k takes 2-3 hours. It's faster on Linux, but still...

amaretto

@JasonC would be a good point but I never do anything away from my desk

Jason C

Or fix problems on site.

Yeah if you work mostly at your desk, laptop makes no sense.

But I couldn't do it. I travel way too much and have to do way too much on site testing and development. Plus I'm always working at different clients' offices and studios.

amaretto

@hichris123 that looks familiar. I think I have that CPU

hichris123

That's what I have.

rene

@amaretto I'm on a desktop (but have my laptop nearby)

user315433

9:20 PM

And the desktop usually has IE open.

hichris123

@rene I was going to ask you since you're a C# person: what are your thoughts on stackoverflow.com/questions/12096839/…? (is it on-topic do you think?)

rene

@hichris123 isn't compilation mostly I/O bound, instead of CPU bound? Doesn't matter if you have an i7 running near 4Ghz

@hichris123 checking ...

hichris123

@rene It depends. On some parts of compilation, I easily max out the CPU. Linking is mostly I/O and memory bound. But linking is probably the last 10-20 minutes or so.

Jason C

@rene It's mostly CPU bound.

That's why you get so much improvement with e.g. parallel builds.

amaretto

or memory bound, in the case of my laptop

I tried compiling firefox and it crashed after half an hour on my laptop

Jason C

9:23 PM

That's weird.

With a 64-bit compiler, and swap enabled?

amaretto

ummmmmm possibly 32-bit

rene

@hichris123 it is borderline. It is more a design question then a real practical issue. But I wouldn't have close voted it.

hichris123

If you have below 8 GB of RAM, compiling Chrome/Firefox is impossible.

amaretto

swap enabled, but maybe only 1 GB of swap

hichris123

@rene Hmm, ok. So would you just leave it?

amaretto

9:24 PM

@hichris123 yeah my laptop is sad. But I haven’t turned it on in months.

hichris123

:(

Jason C

Still

rene

@hichris123 yeah, it has an interesting cross-over between two tech stacks and it is well formulated.

hichris123

@JasonC It's usually the linking parts. And compiling some files alone takes 1 GB of RAM. (linking is usually 2-3 GB per linking process) Compiling on 32-bit for sure is unsupported with Chrome, anything under 8 GB is for sure "not recommended".

Jason C

Greater than 4GB memory requirements for compiling a thing that takes HTML and draws stuff.

I've never looked at the source for either.

hichris123

9:26 PM

@JasonC You... probably don't want to. :)

Jason C

I wonder how many layers upon layers of poorly named libraries Chrome is built on.

hichris123

Compiling Chrome is about 23-24k steps.

@JasonC chrome://credits will give you quite a few

Jason C

I feel like it's only in the last 10 years that people just gave up trying to name software.

user315433

@hichris123 #4 "Android Crazy Linker"

user315433

Another one is named "Error Prone"...

hichris123

9:28 PM

@404 Yeah that's probably because Chrome on Android is really weird in order to reduce memory usage.

Jason C

> Mojo is a collection of interprocess communication technologies, protocols and a runtime for creating applications and services that are composable while being loosely coupled.

Because yeah, the word "mojo" really captures the essence of IPC.

user315433

> re2 - an efficient, principled regular expression library

Jason C

> Skia is an open source 2D graphics library which provides common APIs that work across a variety of hardware and software platforms.

> skia-(scia-, skio-) The Greek skia, meaning 'shadow', used as a prefix meaning 'pertaining to shade or darkness'.

user315433

I like re2... but is it the regex engine of V8? I thought it's more limited.

Jason C

Perfect name for a graphics library. "Skia" really says "2D graphics".

hichris123

9:31 PM

@404 I really don't know what it's used for.

@JasonC Pick your poison... Mozilla's 2D graphics library is Cairo.

Jason C

@hichris123 Cairo's vector graphics. Firefox still uses skia for rendering, so I hear.

hichris123

Oh. So many libraries...

Jason C

And all of them totally necessary.

Build systems are the worst.

Every time somebody says "maven" or "gradle" I want to punch them.

"ANT" -> "Another Neat Tool". F*** you, Apache.

user315433

I make tools for managing job-hunting sites for people who make tools for managing job-hunting sites for people who make tools for ...

Jason C

@404 I know, right.

amaretto

9:39 PM

@404 that’s my job

tools

nobody knows what they’re for

Jason C

Oh I got a great name for a tool that make tools that monitors code that deploys tools that builds tools for deploying monitors for monitoring deployment of tools for porn.

amaretto

@JasonC which is...

Jason C

It'll be called "rnp", for "really nice program". It's perfect. Descriptive, really nails it.

amaretto

✔

I make tools at work, and all the other departments hate us

and they rely on us at the same time

Jason C

Thanks for the inspiration, the underlying API will be open-source and named "ciacr", for "checkmark in a chat room".

amaretto

9:44 PM

✓

^ a subtly different checkmark

hichris123

@JasonC Chrome has GN which will replace GYP in generating Ninja build files. Enough build systems? :P

GYP actually has a name that makes sense. It's Generate Your Projects.

Jason C

All these different checkmarks... we really need a library for consistent checkmark rendering. I'll call it "Erato", appropriately named after the Greek muse of lyric poetry.

amaretto

solid plan

Jason C

I don't know how to use git, so instead of learning, I think I'll first develop a new version control system for rnp, ciacr, and erato. I'll call it "Solid Plan".

I'll also need "agyp", which "also generates your projects".

user315433

> NEEDED TO WRITE DOWN SOMETHING SO IT LETS ME PASS aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

user315433

9:49 PM

This is where SE's post regex should kick in, showing a message like "a bad idea"..

Jason C

Sorry, had to edit out a cat-induced brain fart. Long story.

(Not to be confused with a brain-induced cat fart.)

hichris123

From new tags on SO, we have... peach, yeogurt, and manateeworks.

Jason C

gulp yeoman yeogurt... are there no limits

hichris123

> After running yo yeogurt