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12:16 AM

Clearly, they pulled the code to do this from a question on Stack Overflow.

user202362

can we infer the intelligence of someone, if a bunch of ppl want 2 bully her & unable 2, then she's all tough, intelligent & awesome? :p

JamesENL

Work problems @Telkitty?

@zaq Surely that's against Terms of Service

user202362

at moment, no.

user315433

There were some decent sites seeded with SE content. brightjourney.com comes to mind, though it is very much dead now, with one question posted since August.

user315433

12:33 AM

> Bright Journey is our way of giving back to the startup community. [...] Launched in 2014, it’s growing faster than we anticipated. --- from emprivo.com

Shog9

There's always temptation, upon surveying the coffee grounds, to try squeezing yet another pot out of 'em. This is usually not a good plan.

user202362

@JamesENL also remember my complaint here, apparently it was all over the news, and apparently many people/parties are whining about it.

user315433

OTOH keeping the content of a closed site somewhat Google-able isn't necessarily a bad idea. Yes it becomes outdated, but so does a lot of SO content.

JamesENL

@Telkitty I hadn't heard about this

I'll have to keep an eye on it

user202362

@Shog9 I do that sometimes - I also tend to hoard things for sentimental values

user202362

12:46 AM

It it's up to me, I will have a 100 square meters underground storage - so I can hoard & no one would know anything about my hoarding habit ~_~

user202362

No one ever called me a hoarder before though

bjb568

1:03 AM

A New History for Humanity – The Human Era

►

This seems interesting.

user315433

Yay, rejected migrations are now culled after 30 days. meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006 and meta.stackexchange.com/a/287891

user315433

Web Apps are going to lose quite a few of those.

user315433

The feature request was made on 2014-03-07, completed on 2016-12-07. Exactly 2.75 years.

Shog9

@Telkitty Unless your storage floods and you must drag your hoard out into the sun, waterlogged and moldering, for all to gaze upon.

bjb568

1:24 AM

user202362

@Shog9 that's what the backyard is for ...

user315433

6:28 because it's tau?

user315433

Also, they got your name wrong.

user315433

Dec 29 '14 at 23:15, by bjb568

bjb568 is my real real name.

user202362

and also, for someone who has ~~years~~ months experience with construction, waterproofing should not be an issue

bjb568

1:33 AM

@zaq Yeah, legal complications. Of course bjb568 is who I really am.

user315433

Universities should give students the option to enter "preferred name" somewhere where professors/advisors can see it.

user315433

I used to collected those myself (from those who cared to fill out my online form), but forgot to do it for a couple of semesters; not sure where the form is now...

user202362

2:42 AM

user202362

why aren't people farming swans?

bjb568

They can be gay.

user202362

so?

user202362

If people can farm geese, they can farm swans

JamesENL

@Telkitty Because Her Maj owns them all

bjb568

2:57 AM

@Telkitty Are you crying yet?

user315433

ACCEPT THE ANSWER!!! — Moti Apr 15 at 23:21

user202362

@bjb568 ?

user315433

^^ This wasn't one-flag nuked. Is that regex only active on SO? @JonEricson

user315433

I can't imagine an "accept my answer" comment being more noisy and worthless than this.

Shog9

@zaq yes

will probably be pushed elsewhere eventually

user202362

3:01 AM

I am pretty happy, and if someone surround him/herself with ~~happy~~ gay ~~white geese~~ swans, there is a great chance he/she will be happier

user315433

I hope it will be soon. I already have Marshal on SO, so the new nuking rule doesn't help my badge collection...

user202362

If you have problem getting happiness, there is a shortcut - find someone who knows how to easily obtain happiness, then latch yourself on to that person, that rule applies to swan too ...

user315433

Ah it's okay, there are still plenty of accept rate comments for me to chew on.

user202362

if you always talk to a grumpy person, you are likely to be grumpy too ...

user202362

3:08 AM

rules of induction ...

user315433

3:38 AM

Hm, Academia has 54 comments discussing the acceptance rates of journals and universities. I guess I'll let them live.

bjb568

@Telkitty m.imgur.com/gallery/NuhsgPV

user202362

@bjb568 I cry a lot too, your point is? Women cry a lot, that doesn't mean that they are unhappier than men on average. Women live longer, in fact.

bjb568

It's a meme.

user202362

3:53 AM

I am rigorous on doing backups these a few days ...

Jason C

4:23 AM

@bjb

I have a question.

Have you ever used node.js with mysql?

→ 5 messages moved to Chimney

JamesENL

@JasonC I have

What's up?

Jason C

@JamesENL Is there any decent like, modelling framework, or best-practice guide, or anything to keep me from just doing raw queries all over the place? All I found is npmjs.com/package/node-mysql and I've been banging my head off it for a couple days, it's incomprehensible to me.

JamesENL

You mean like an ORM?

Jason C

Yeah.

JamesENL

There's knex, which is a query building library

Jason C

4:27 AM

All my db access stuff is a complete mess.

JamesENL

The ORM we are currently using is Bookshelf.js, there's a number of them out there

Jason C

Knex looks like a nice step towards cleanliness.

JamesENL

Knex is just a query building library. It's not a proper ORM. Here's something that might help: npmcompare.com/compare/bookshelf,knex,objection,orm,sequelize

Jason C

Yeah

JamesENL

That said, Bookshelf is heavy

It's quite a large library

Jason C

4:29 AM

It looks awesome though. At least, it looks well-documented.

Oh neat thanks, that's a nice list of stuff to check out.

JamesENL

No worries

Jason C

I just started using node last week. I don't know why I never used it before.

I can't believe how much time and stress it eliminated with express.

JamesENL

I'm using it on AWS Lambda. It's fun

Jason C

Objection gives me a "Simple and fun way to fetch, insert, update and delete objects using the full power of SQL". I like fun.

JamesENL

Micro-services are fun

Jason C

4:33 AM

EVERYTHING IS FUN.

JamesENL

Everything Is AWESOME!!! -- The LEGO® Movie -- Tegan and Sara feat. The Lonely Island

►

Jason C

Jade too. Or Pug or whatever. Discovered this afternoon. Instant fun.

SmokeDetector

4:46 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: rhinorx90eveningblog.com/kerave-hair-be/ by douglamb on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: supplement4help.com/diabazole/ by Hadmish1967 on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Even though you will be continue get endurance by user70339 on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Allure Eye Serum by Juli Jhon on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: How i save my Marriage by Shana on parenting.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: How To Build Speedy 5 Tips To Muscle by Rositagilla on drupal.stackexchange.com

JamesENL

Oh look.... it's spam o'clock

Jason C

5:26 AM

-1

Q: How do I use c++ and the absolute value function to do something like this

Essentially i want to use the absolute value function in c++ to do something like this: wwwwwww0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 wxxxxxw000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 wxyyyxw00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...

c++

What.

JamesENL

5:36 AM

Closed

Alexis King

5:48 AM

Re: JS ORMs, +1 for Bookshelf; I’ve used it before and it was the Least Bad™ of all the things I tried.

Jason C

6:01 AM

@AlexisKing Yeah, Objection doesn't seem to really be making anything more convenient. The example on the Bookshelf home page looks slick. Diving into that next.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: How does Nitrobuild Plus work? by philli on superuser.com

S.L. Barth

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/41032270

I think I saw the same domain being spamvertized from a different account too - but that post is now deleted as spam.

Let's keep an eye out, if this persists we have a candidate for the blacklist.

SmokeDetector

6:28 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Rosemary Extract - Het is bekend om een back-off lastig by Poself1955 on apple.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

6:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in body: want playstation plus 1 month free on your account? by tokyogamer on gaming.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

8:04 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Kaspersky Security 10 for Windows Server -File Upload Scanner by CanBey on superuser.com

SmokeDetector

8:29 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Encounter a great change on their commercial by mildredstrickland005 on apple.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

9:55 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How do priorities work on task-manager and when should/n't I set this? by AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How can I route the shower plumbing back into the wall? by Jennifer on diy.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: How to apply tinymce.init function to array php inside class-wp-editor? by Kenna on wordpress.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

11:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: What is the force exerted by the catapult on aircraft carriers? by Merry Christmas Quotes on aviation.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is Russian music popular outside of Russia? by IndigoRentACar on musicfans.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

11:34 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: What's the meaning of underlined frequency in sectional chart nav aid box? by New Year 2017 Wishes on aviation.stackexchange.com

bjb568

12:24 PM

user202362

"Little , little Pig, let me come in."
"No, no, not by the hair on my triple chin chin."
"Then I'll huff, and I'll puff, and I'll blow your house in."

user202362

3 little piglets

user202362

and one trolling husky

user202362

SmokeDetector

1:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Which GUI svn client allows searching through history? by Galvani on unix.stackexchange.com

ArtOfCode

1:49 PM

We're about to run some tests with a duplicate copy of Smokey. I've tried to prevent it posting here, but let me know if I failed.

ArtOfCode

2:08 PM

Looks like I didn't fail. Excellent.

SmokeDetector

2:22 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Please advise on US-locations similar to WestWorld, Magnificant Seven landscape by aerhernjh on travel.stackexchange.com

Bart

3:00 PM

No failure @ArtOfCode ... are you sure you're a real dev?

ArtOfCode

3:17 PM

@Bart ah, no failure here, but the experiment is failing perfectly fine

Bart

Phew

user315433

Quora question: How do I post code questions to Stack Overflow?

rene

Maybe meta should be migrated to Quora?

ArtOfCode

no, you're not meant to post those here Smokey

SmokeDetector

4:04 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Is there any way to mirror or symmetrize a Muscle Tool? by Karab44 on blender.stackexchange.com

maveň

@bjb568 mew :-)

bjb568

:3

maveň

say mew to me :(

you hurted me this time

Aaron Hall

4:27 PM

metas in the tavern

:3

maveň

4:39 PM

:3

Aaron Hall

We are the meta cats.

SmokeDetector

5:04 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How do you erase only part of an imported "placed" image in Illustrator? by Bloob on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

Aaron Hall

Also a little funny ^^^^

user315433

> "IT-Recruiting mit Stack Overflow" (in German) - 60 second video explaining our Talent products at @StackOverflow youtube.com/watch?v=ttbTtoUVCKU … -- Max Horstmann at 9:08 AM - 8 Dec 2016

user315433

Thanks for saying it's in German, otherwise it's easy to miss the few German words in there...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: POS extension that can be used inside a brick-and-mortar store by Rowan Bates on softwarerecs.stackexchange.com

user315433

Dunno, software recs are complicated. It's true that all three posts are leading to the same site, but they are different posts...

rene

5:20 PM

yeah, didn't flag either

seems legit

user315433

In case anyone's curious about the ELU wave of odd posts: one, two, three, four, five.

user315433

There are low quality questions, and then there are texts constructed to look like questions.

user315433

5:41 PM

As for actual spam, the site that really gets more in recent weeks is Ask Different: graph

ArtOfCode

6:05 PM

@zaq might be worth Tim dropping the threshold there too, then

SmokeDetector

6:50 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Muscular system in blender by Karab44 on blender.stackexchange.com

Alexis King

Greg Lake has died. Keith Emerson died back in March. What a year. :(

Jason C

7:10 PM

when you use http digest authentication, are browsers supposed to cache authorization headers for a really long time? or do a few random browsers just arbitrarily do it to be nice.

also hi

bjb568

9:51 PM

@maveň meew

@JasonC eww, y u no mongo?

Jason C

10:18 PM

@bjb568 already have mysql running on my server. and the cheapest hosting option for when it's ready to move doesn't have mongo.

But it should be pretty easy to swap out with Bookshelf so I'm not really thinking about it.

Anyways todays mission is to make sense of Passport.

user315433

10:36 PM

It seems old people are prone to dying, even if famous.

Servy

Any of the SO mods online to discuss a flag?

Shog9

Only if it's about plagiarism.

Servy

I'm not sure if that's you making a joke or being literal.

Shog9

@Servy yes

Servy

Have you looked at my last few flags?

Shog9

10:45 PM

@Servy which site?

Servy

meta SO

Shog9

then yes

Servy

The post seems rather unambiguously off topic, no?

the mod response seems to indicate that they don't dispute that at all, and that they also felt that the question isn't on topic

despite declining the flag anyway

Shog9

For context:

47

Q: Plagiarism and using/copying code from Stack Overflow and submitting it in an assignment

What is the view on the ethics at copying the code you find on Stack Overflow? My issue is that I posted a whole source code for a short project where I could not find a small bug that was causing my program not to work. The next day I saw a fellow student using identical code and even asking me ...

discussion plagiarism ethics

@Servy you have, at this point, three moderators involved, so I wouldn't try to read those flag responses as a single statement

Doesn't seem particularly off-topic to me

in so far as it comes up frequently on Stack Overflow

Servy

How is it on topic to ask if it's ethical for someone to cheat on their homework?

regardless of the answer, it's irrelevant to SO

Shog9

10:50 PM

@Servy As I said, it is something that seems to come up a lot WRT SO, often on SO

Folks posting their homework, folks posting answers in their homework, folks asking for stuff to be deleted before their professor finds out, professors asking us to take down homework / identify the cheaters / posting threatening answers under the homework...

Not just SO, mind you

Physics, Math, Chem, Math, Math

Servy

that's a pretty big list of different issues, none of which seem to be addressed in the question at hand

Shog9

well, normally there'd be multiple questions

for a topic so broad

Servy

people posting homework questions on SO isn't what that question is actually asking about, nor is this about deleting content before profs see it, or by profs, etc. None of that is in this question

the question is just asking whether or not cheating is morale.

and of course all of those points that you've brought up have meta questions asking about them specifically

Shog9

> The next day I saw a fellow student using identical code and even asking me about some other assignment where we reuse this same code and slightly modify it. We have to submit our work in few days and probably he will use my code.

Can a person do that without stating who is the author and can I prove my authorship with a Stack Overflow post?

The guy posted part of his homework on SO

A fairly large part, it seems

and now a classmate appears to be using it

How is that not what I was just talking about?

Servy

that's an issue for the school, not for SO

Shog9

10:56 PM

it's an issue for both

I'm a bit confused here, @Servy. Have you not seen this before?

Servy

All SO can do is say, "go talk to someone at your school"

Shog9

Machavity's answer links to another discussion of the topic:

94

Q: How to cope with complaints from tutors who want to fight cheaters?

One tutor complains here (the answer is deleted now) How to solve exception in thread "main", java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero? This post contains solution code to one or more of our homework assignments here at University of [redacted]. It is indexed by Google, which enables student...

discussion answers not-an-answer

@Servy well, what's wrong with that?

user315433

@Servy And in order to say that, there should be a meta question and a meta answer.

Servy

Why do we need an answer on meta to tell people that it's not a question that we can answer on meta?

Shog9

I mean, we've got questions on handling suicide for pity's sake... Certainly not our problem, but we have questions on how to deal with it when it comes up anyway.

Servy

10:59 PM

when a question is off topic we close it as off topic, we don't post an answer to say that it's off topic.

Shog9

Stamping our feet and asserting "this problem that keeps happening shouldn't exist, so we must pretend that it doesn't, in the face of continuing evidence to the contrary"

...is not particularly efficient.

Servy

I'm not saying that academic dishonesty doesn't happen

Shog9

@Servy no, we usually have craploads of discussion on meta concerning the topicality of it though

Servy

I'm saying that when someone suspects academic dishonesty, or wants to know if a given behavior is appropriate for their institution, asking about it on SO isn't how they should go about it

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: RHEL 7.2: using realm to join AD domain by Todd Doane on serverfault.com

Servy

11:00 PM

if they want to know if the behavior is acceptable at their school, they need to ask their school, and if they want to report someone, they need to report them to the school

Shog9

@Servy no, they should read the existing question on meta and follow the advice in the answers.

Servy

not to SO

Shog9

@SmokeDetector that... is not a link

Servy

SO isn't the authority on what is considered acceptable academic conduct in every academic institution in the world...

Shog9

@Servy no one's asking for a list of acceptable academic conduct

Servy

11:01 PM

nor is it a place where anyone could possibly handle a report of suspected academic dishonestya

the question is

it's asking whether or not the behavior he's describing is acceptable academic conduct

Shog9

we got a user on SO who thinks his work has been ripped off asking what, if anything, he can do about it

sound familiar?

296

Q: A site (or scraper) is copying content from Stack Exchange. What do I do?

Since day one of Stack Overflow, all content posted on Stack Exchange sites by their users (i.e. you wonderful people) has been provided to the whole universe under the CC-BY-SA license. For my fellow non-lawyers, that license basically means: Anyone can use any Stack Exchange posts at any time...

discussion faq attribution copycat-sites screen-scraping

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING ON META FOR YEARS AND YEARS

Why on earth would it suddenly become off-topic as of yesterday?

We have folks on Cooking lamenting that someone set up a blog to repost their answers

We have folks on Math lamenting that folks are using the site to cheat in off-site contests

NO, we can't always do anything about it...

...heck, we often can't do anything about it...

...but that doesn't mean folks can't talk about it!

it's a problem relevant to their use of the site

It's therefore on-topic for meta

THAT IS WHY META EXISTS.

ArtOfCode

If your copyright is infringed you can submit a DMCA notice and hope. If not... well, you licensed it.

Servy

and yet the meta community didn't think so; they voted to close it

Shog9

5 people voted to close it

Servy

even the top answerer voted to close it

hichris123

11:05 PM

People also voted to close the moderator election results post.

Shog9

@Servy that... isn't helping

A moderator reopened it.

Servy

and the second answer is an answer that just says that it's off topic

Shog9

No one has voted to close it since

There are more than 5 people on meta

Servy

and yet only one person felt that it should be reopened

it goes both ways there

Shog9

@Servy No.

hichris123

11:05 PM

@Shog9 [citation-needed]

Shog9

To date, you've had 3 moderators responding to your flags

I've carried on a fairly long discussion here

You've had multiple other mods and employees and over 2000 other people looking at the question

And... Still only 5 voted to close.

@hichris123 hand on, lemme count...

DAMN YOU WRETCHED CHAT RATE-LIMITER I WISH YOU TO BURN IN THE ENDLESS FIRE BUT NEVER BE CONSUMED SO THAT YOU MAY TASTE A BIT OF THE FRUSTRATION YOU HAVE BROUGHT TO OTHERS

8

cough

anyway...

hichris123

I've always wondered if meta was just the same 5 people with sockpuppets.

3

Servy

feeling better now Shog?

hichris123

Maybe that's what the CMs do all day.

Shog9

I'm pretty sure like half of it is Pekka

@hichris123 hit the chat rate-limiter? Yes, pretty much.

Oh, you mean play people on meta.

well, somewhat less of that. If only we had time, between waiting out chat rate-limits.

hichris123

11:11 PM

One or the other works I guess...

Shog9

Moving back to the topic at hand...

You've had your say, @Servy. You consider it off-topic. Fine. You voted, now you sit back and let others do what they will.

If you feel very strongly that the question is harmful in some way, you're free to raise another meta question about it

Servy

Well if the community is just going to be overridden by moderators, even if they feel that it's off topic, then isn't saying I should just sit back and let the community decide for themselves rather...disingenuous?

Shog9

@Servy No.

Five people closed it, one person reopened it.

At least a couple thousand people haven't voted either way.

bjb568

@JasonC Why not just use vanilla?

Servy

and about twenty people felt the question belonged on academia

Shog9

11:15 PM

Well, they're not entirely wrong...

...But I don't know that they've bothered to read Academia's help center either

hichris123

@Shog9 Also one person who voted to close the question has received a manual review ban on Meta... and then posted about it on Meta.

Shog9

lulz

hichris123

Which, I should note, @Servy happened to answer the question about.

user315433

There is a new sponsored tag actions-on-google, with 6 questions (4 self-answered by the same user). Looks like a new exciting thing of unclear nature.

Shog9

arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/…

Was just reading about that

Guy could've probably saved his company some money by just editing the tag wiki

but... I guess Google ain't really hurting

user202362

11:29 PM

still waiting for the self driving car

user202362

it has been years

Jason C

@bjb568 Vanilla what?

@Shog9 Anything in suicide on LifeHacks yet?

Google Assistant?

Heh, anybody see that Black Mirror Xmas special episode?

Just sayin

user202362

I wonder how many users passed away after had registered on SE network

user202362

11:49 PM

there must be some, although probably not many consider people mostly die of old age and there aren't many people over 50 on SE network

bjb568

@JasonC Node. So minimal use of external packages.

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