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I know how to use a gun

Anonymous

But I get worried about people going deep into the wilderness where there are nasty creatures without one.

I was on our state shooting team in the Air Force Cadets

Anonymous

(My local camping areas only have black bears so I don't feel so bad.)

Anonymous

2:40 AM

okay, so

Anonymous

bring James here as your bodyguard

Anonymous

problem solved.

Anonymous

;)

user202362

lol

Fly me over. As long as your threat has concentric circles I'll be all over it

Anonymous

2:40 AM

That's cool, though. I'd like to learn to shoot without accidentally knocking out my own teeth one day.

Anonymous

Should probably have looked into that before leaving America. ;)

user315433

You're still in America...

Anonymous

I remember how shocked I was when I moved in, and at the end of my street there's a shop with giant signs reading "GUNS" "KNIVES" "AMMO".

Anonymous

@zaq Did I forget to update a profile somewhere? I'm now working remotely from Toronto, Canada, my hometown.

user315433

Canada happens to be a part of America.

user202362

2:43 AM

Anonymous

I'm afraid your military invasion failed, and your successful cultural invasion is not recognized by the League of Nations.

user202362

looks like a reasonable weapon as long as one gets enough sharp stones on the way

Every country in the world belongs to America

Just ask Bandit Keith

Anonymous

We didn't mention it but more seriously, you gonna have an emergency satellite beacon, like a SPOT device?

user202362

If I was ever to do multi-day hikes alone, I will definitely get a personal locating beacon ...

Anonymous

2:46 AM

@JamesENL I had to Google that. Now it's tickling some long-dormant neurons.

3:10 AM

@zaq the great indoors

user202362

3:34 AM

indoor:outdoor site ratio should be exactly proportional to their physical presence ...

user202362

preferably measured in cubic meters ...

imperial gallons

user202362

not all in liquid state

user202362

3:53 AM

is it me or zaq is in some menopause state?

user202362

user315433

4:37 AM

Nov 13 at 15:13, by rene

@JNat I have an high-prio issue send to you with the Contact Us form. This can't wait. (cc @Shog9)

user315433

I was wondering about that.... Explanation: rene is now on the security page: stackexchange.com/about/security

user315433

That was fast.

user315433

Also, there have been as many reports in 2016 as in 2012-15 combined. And the year isn't over yet.

user202362

firedfox.stackexchange.com/hackers/

user202362

4:54 AM

same sex walkers

user202362

this sounds so wrong ... it's on the description of a guided hiking trip

user315433

5:05 AM

We recently talked about collective nouns... Here is one more,

user315433

A gathering of two or more average looking white men is referred to by biologists as "a podcast." https://t.co/dp1HInlPpt

Tweeted by AlanaMassey on November 21, 2016 at 4:19 AM

user202362

5:22 AM

@zaq obviously mocking, totally should spank

user202362

or lightly hold it in your palm and gently squeeze

user202362

reason to have pets

5:41 AM

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user202362

5:53 AM

My app biz must be going great - spending more time on the paper work than coding ...

user202362

and on the phone with the tax office to find out what I have missed of filling ...

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

user315433

6:08 AM

@Shog9 then Pokemon Go should be off topic there

8:35 AM

@Telkitty oh the joy of running your own business

user202362

s/joy/horror/

:D

Myeah, it has been tempting in the past, but there's something to be said for being "just" an employee

user202362

I am completely aimless BTW, absolutely not sure where I am going. But hey, since money isn't an issue, drifting isn't as bad ...

No "if only I could do" ideas?

user202362

plenty of things I could do

user202362

8:43 AM

for example I am writing a blog on how today's society is running in a very inefficient manner

user202362

for example, what if you suddenly realize that only 40% of the work people do contribute to the useful aspect of civilization, and the rest 60% are like digging up a hole then fill it up?

Depends somewhat on how you define useful though.

@Telkitty What if you instead notice how all those "inefficiencies" are actually aimed at creating a sensorial lobotomy that will allow a few chosen one to feed on the unhappiness and sacrifice of the most?

user202362

sure, the concept of 'useful' depends on the aim of humanity

user202362

so what are the goals of humanity?

user202362

9:00 AM

Also the electrician doesn't seem to know what he's doing ... he has spent more than a week, then came back with "err, but the plan we have discussed, I don't think we can do it that way"

@Telkitty Humanity isn't even capable of defining the nature of "morality" in the first place, do you really hope it can find a goal?

user202362

but the goal of any living creature ... is to survive

user202362

then propagate as a specie

@Telkitty yes, but that is the goal of each single creature BY ITSELF.

and mankind is very good at that.

user202362

so were dinosaurs

9:03 AM

not my point

user202362

look how great they are doing now

user202362

but that is my point

what I was saying is that that goal is the goal of each creature taken by itself, but yet isn't the goal of humanity as a whole.

Basically, if I am country A and you are country B and you have oil, for country A is perfectly fine if you "casually die under some random bombs" so that they can survive with the oil. I wouldn't say that is the goal of the people of country B too.

At the same way for example you may be saying that unemployment is a result of "inefficiencies" .... but suppose you were some rich guy sitting at the top of some world wide famous company.

Suddenly, that "inefficient" unemployment is so good for you...

A source of desperate workers that will work at your condition, selling their dignity so that they can eat while you swim in money?

user202362

that ... is exactly the opposite of my point.

and you call that "inefficient", "unneeded", "unwanted"?

user202362

9:09 AM

how many hours do you think wildlife have to work everyday when not feeding young?

user202362

probably less than 3

@Telkitty how many wild animals wear rare metals trinkets to show that they have the money to buy them?

How many animals would buy an app on their smartphones that just display a "I am rich" logo to show that they can waste money while others die every day of hunger?

user202362

look at how many things I have around my nest, I must be rich!

@Telkitty sorry, I can only see two ways to explain that image.

user202362

9:15 AM

well, if you are truly intelligent and efficient, you should spend less time and effort and end up with more

Let's agree on the assumption that the bird is doing that to attract a companion so that it could have children, right?

user202362

and if humans are truly intelligent and efficient, we should spend less time and effort and have created more than wildlife

so, either humans need to show that they are rich, they make other make sacrifices while they don't have to so that they will attract a top model girlfriend / boyfriend and have a successful life.... which reinforce my assumption that humanity as a whole doesn't have a common goal, only individuals do - every human is fine if other die as long that he/she survive

user202362

and if humans are truly intelligent and efficient, we should have spent less time and effort and have created more than wildlife

or they do it for other reasons, like individualism or self gratification, which doesn't seem really different.

my whole point is that before assuming some things are due to inefficiencies, one should ask if those "weird choices" aren't actually good for someone...

where I live, every year in summer the farmers have to face drought for their fields. Water prices increase, water is rationed, excuses about difficulties in bringing the water to the places were it is needed are made.

user202362

9:23 AM

morality is there to ensure human society survive as a whole

user202362

I kept on getting lagged out ... impossible to continue a conversation ...

Yet, every year, while all the corn fields dry up... the grass in the golf clubs is fresh and growing.

on an unrelated notice, has anyone asked himself WHO will host the ads some sites will soon get?

10:08 AM

@Derpy what do you mean?

10:19 AM

@Bart I mean, will the ads be images hosted on stack or "something" hosted on malware4everyone.vir(us)?

@Derpy They'll probably use the same CDN for the ads as they have been in the past

something like adzerk

Myeah, that's what I would expect

Honestly, I'm happy for more display ads on SE sites

Across more then 12 years on the web and every site I've ever been to this is the first site that makes me want to see its ads because I want to see them.

To be honest, I don't even notice them when they're there. So I couldn't care less

10:47 AM

yep, I too expect them to be pretty responsible, but there is also a voice that tells me I don't want Stack to turn into the next DeviantArt/TesNexus

11:38 AM

Hey @Shog9 could you weigh in on this? The potential for unscrutinable abuse there is pretty terrifying

user202362

11:49 AM

wtf, this page took whole 10 minutes to load on chrome, but 5 sec on Tor ...

user202362

Is there a DDoS attack or load balancing problem?

@Telkitty All SE sites load fine & quick for me

that ^

that ^

user202362

:'(

11:58 AM

that ^

@rene The case on meta is hypothethical

In that I dont know of a documented case of it happening

Which doesn't mean it hasn't happened yet

@Telkitty easy, tor must be confusing Stack Exchange servers enough that they cannot apply the usual shadow ban that they enabled on your user.

Wait, I think I may just have released an unwanted spoiler there.

@Magisch yeah, well, hypothetical questions are too meta for me ...

@rene meta-meta flower?

I guess so, yes

user202362

12:02 PM

@Derpy not the first or second time

I've shadowbanned people on mcf before

user202362

and they seem to be putting more and more of my devices on the list too

user202362

12:14 PM

110 William Street, New York, NY 10038 ... that's like 2 blocks away from Federal reserve (bank of New York)

user202362

not fair everytime you have pms, I am getting shadow banned. next u r about to have pms, plz lemme know b4 hand so I can dodge, thx

user315433

2:36 PM

Yay, expanded ad sales. The more success they have selling ads, the less pressure there is to sell users... or so I hope.

user315433

2:46 PM

Cross Validated stands out on the list, the first Science category site to carry ads. Although it's more like an often-visited ghost town, where the stampede of askers left few answerers alive.

4:21 PM

@zaq But the answers to that question... "I'm fine with this!" there's a reason why we have upvotes...

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user315433

Having some answers to a featured meta post is good, even if a little repetitive. Shows that the community supports it.

user315433

See also: political debates.

@Magisch this has been tried, several times.

it's not as subtle as one might expect

4:37 PM

Not sure why Aaron's answer got so many downvotes (meta.stackoverflow.com/a/338347)... Python room people? Or group think?

Stijn

4:47 PM

I feel like a bunch of people are on a crusade using the first thing they thought could be used against Aaron. I don't get it at all, it's a bloody chat room.

It appears a certain group of people really don't like him...

While there is not much to go on, there was some debate (to put it mildly) when that other room came into existence. I wouldn't have tried my luck on day one.

Stijn

@Shog9 I don't think me posting an answer would have a lot of added value with yours Aarons answer already there.

@Stijn well... Are your comments adding value?

Stijn

A bit, yes, but not enough for an answer, imho. I guess I should just shut up already then.

Hint taken.

4:57 PM

Hi @hichris123. I'm not trying to talk past you and I'm sincerely sorry if you believe that's what I'm attempting to do.

@tristan Um, yeah... okay, so what are you trying to accomplish with this?

And hi @Stijn. I think you're misunderstanding why I brought it up.

@hichris123 I believe I stated it plainly -- given the context, does anyone else think this smells funny?

@tristan Let me remind you of something you said yesterday:

in Python on Stack Overflow Chat, 21 hours ago, by tristan

[with the exclusion obviously being Aaron Hall who has called us petty tyrants and was dancing around serious questions during the nomination stage]

Does this smell funny to you?

If no, no. The question is pretty active though, so maybe it does.

First thing that Aaron does as a moderator that's visible.

4:59 PM

@hichris123 Sorry, your timelines don't match.

And you decide to challenge it?

@hichris123 And it's questionable.

Because it's questionable, a position others seem to agree with based on post activity.

@tristan And by +21 on an answer that starts off with "Who cares".

If you don't find it curious, cool, but it's raised at least my eyebrow.

Thanks for your input.

Look, you obviously have some history between you and Aaron.

Just don't be... snippy about it.

5:01 PM

You're misunderstanding and misreading it.

@tristan We used to be friends (or so I thought) - How can I build some trust with you?

@hichris123 I don't understand why you feel comfortable making snide remarks. Please stop.

@tristan Well, when you explicitly state "two of these moderators are good" and "one is not Aaron Hall"... tell me what you meant by that?

@AaronHall I think we still are friendly. In this instance, I believe your actions were questionable in motivation. I'd prefer to keep the discussion of that public on the site.

@hichris123 Please stop @ mentioning and talking to me, thank you.

I'm sorry for whenever I was passive aggressive in Python chat. I'm hoping for detente.

5:03 PM

@tristan Alrightly then. But do realize that this is all public, so... I suggest that you be kinder to people in the future.

@hichris123 I already asked you to stop talking to me, but please be aware that you can be serious without being rude. Have a good day.

Same to you.

@AaronHall Chatroom related drama is almost an initiation ritual for new mods now

@AaronHall I see this as different from the issue I raised on meta and why I originally posted a comment on your nomination. I was hoping you'd "knock the ball out of the park" by demonstrating that you've grown in your online interactions since ~~chat drama~~.

I don't know what you mean by that, man.

Put it on a T-ball stand for me.

5:05 PM

Isn't it true that readers of the question and the answer need more context/history to fully understand the issue raised and the current answers?

sigh

I agree with shog here, why is all this drama over unfreezing a room? Everyone could have done that

Isn't it true that this is a non-issue we could all do without? If there is a problem with the room itself, address that. If not, move on.

If I had a frozen room, I could probably get a mod to unfreeze it for me

@AaronHall It got to a point that Martijn even had to call you out on being passive aggressive.

Yeah, on second thought I probably should've started a new room for this... ah, well. Hindsight.

5:07 PM

@Magisch It's about motivation for having mod permissions and judgment on when to use them.

Hindsight, like the next US elections, is 2020

@tristan Ok, I apologize.

@tristan Would you care if he unfroze literally any other room?

@Magisch As mentioned in another comment, that's not a fair reduction.

Why don't y'all make noise when he does something with a negative effect because this isn't that, and it's entirely inconsequential

Give some benefit of the doubt :)

5:08 PM

@AaronHall Where it gets concerning is when your initial reaction to a questionable action comes with a passive aggressive remark.

@Bart I can't tell I seem to miss pieces of the puzzle

@Magisch are you assuming good faith there?

@rene Indeed

... as always

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Married in India using Sharia with Moroccan woman, Divorce confirmation by Mazin Mahmood patel on islam.stackexchange.com

That sounds as a good approach

And, where it became sucky because it was already taking place on the public site, is the sincere concern of "are you sure that being a moderator is a good decision for you?"

5:09 PM

@tristan Whether or not it was a good decision is sorta irrelevant now, right? What do you hope to induce with this discussion? Self reflection?

@Magisch And the post was made because it's the first demonstration of "maybe it's not"

I disagree

And there's the reason for the post.

I think we should assume good faith and give him a fair shot until proven otherwise

@tristan first sounds like you expect there to be more?

5:11 PM

If there are real blunders, raise those

@rene No, that it was possible that there would never be a demonstration of it.

@tristan it somehow sounds like people have been looking for the first "maybe it's not" to bring up as soon as it happened. So far this is a non issue. One incident (if it is that) does not a pattern make.

@tristan You still haven't answered this: What do you hope to effect with this?

@Magisch discussion

And the endgame of this

Suppose aaron concedes your point

What do you want to happen?

5:12 PM

Do all discussions have endgames?

You're trying to walk me into a false framework

If you are making an argument contrary to someone else's opinion, it's sort of implied you want something

Even if just changing their mind about it

(shrug) I guess I'll leave take-aways as an exercise for the reader

If you want to think I want something from it, you're free to do so

The election post was closed as unclear? meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/338289/revisions Wow.

@hichris123 Seems Cold Fire closed it only to vote to reopen it as it had 4 cv

but the other 4

just wtf

@tristan I want to deal in good faith with you, and I'm trying not to presume much. Are the Python room owners afraid that I'll push my opinions on how the room should be run on them? Because I made it clear that I would not ask them to change, and I meant it.

5:15 PM

@hichris123 at least not the usual suspects

Luckily.

Seriously though

Wonder if they still have a review ban from that.

@AaronHall Oh, that was never a concern at all. We're pretty mod heavy in room/6. And even so, I don't think that would have happened.

there should be some consequence for that

close votes aren't a toy to mess around with for giggles

Who the heck is voting to close this post as unclear? I mean cmon — Magisch 7 hours ago

5:19 PM

Anyway, I'm quite crap at articulating myself in short-form, so I'm going to hop out of tavern. Have a good day all.

@tristan What can I do to earn your trust? I like you, I like the other Python room owners, in spite of our past. I want to earn your trust. I may not have gotten your vote but you are important stakeholders to me, not just in chat but on Stack Overflow.

* Stack Overflow

I'm not sure I can support a moderator who can't use the trademark correctly. ;)

it's clearly a sign that he intends to bring down the entire institution and re-create it according to his own space-hating designs. RAAARRR

5:48 PM

*crickets*

@AaronHall Sorry, was good about doing work for a few minutes. Warning that I'm tired/distracted.

This is entirely separate from the Python room and I can't speak for other people there. Stackoverflow isn't important to me and, more specifically, is far less important to me than you are, as a person. I don't distrust you, but you have the tendency to reframe conversations and feedback in a way that puts you in a positive light. That's frustrating. I honestly, unfortunately, believe that many of your actions on the site are ego driven, and my concern (message length, argh)

for you is that becoming a moderator will help feed an unhealthy urge. The comment structure is as bad as twitter as a means for actual discussion as it's a crowded, busy feed, where the only take away on anything non-dry and technical tends to be an emotional reaction.

So, in a system rife for misunderstanding, permanently preserved, where the feelings of the moment are lost on future readers, actions like you made wherein you took a cheap passive aggressive remark in an answer or framed your response as if I was concerned about the placement of a feed, the fastest way to correct course and disregard the indirection is to quickly address it (again, busy chat, limited char length), and repeat the question with less attention to tone.

That said, reopening the chat room that was created in protest, frozen and addressed by moderators, seemed like using newly found site permissions in a way that gave off a weird smell. That room will go idle again and freeze, which sucks, because I think it's important to you, but at the same time, you created it to create distance between yourself and the response to your behaviors in a different community.

That block of text unfortunately dips into ~~human elements~~ that's not the "X happened, then Y: weird?" of today's meta post and I don't want you to use that to share feelings that you may have, but don't want to openly state (again, busy chat with strangers, permanent). Anyway, I don't distrust you, and it would make me happy if it seemed like you started to care less about how people perceive you.

tl;dr if you want fluffier pancakes, substitute milk for water

6:11 PM

or buttermilk

mmm... buttermilk

Hey shog

You seem to pop up places randomly

Are you ... an algorhitm?

No, a floating head, duh.

Except when his head tilts the wrong way.

@tristan What I hear you saying is I have a big ego. Well, I do. I expect great things from myself, and I feel like a failure when I don't accomplish my goals and like I want to curl up and die, and when I do accomplish my goals I feel like I'm on top of the world and I want to tell everybody. I've been told I can be pretty intense. That may be understating it. I feel a great weight of responsibility now. I want to do the right things, and help others do the right things too.

I want your help too. I'm asking you for your help. For better or worse I won the election, and I am bound by my promises when running. I won't abdicate. And in a few years I want you to be able to say you are proud of me and that you knew me long before.

bjb568

6:27 PM

@tristan You're a kewl chord.

@AaronHall I legitimately don't know how to respond to this. I didn't say you have a big ego. This speaks directly to my concern about whether or not this is healthy for you, but that ship has sailed.

@bjb568 I don't know what this means.

bjb568

Tristan chord

The Tristan chord is a chord made up of the notes F, B, D♯, and G♯. More generally, it can be any chord that consists of these same intervals: augmented fourth, augmented sixth, and augmented ninth above a bass note. It is so named as it is heard in the opening phrase of Richard Wagner's opera Tristan und Isolde as part of the leitmotif relating to Tristan. == Background == The notes of the Tristan chord are not unusual; they could be respelled enharmonically to form a common half-diminished seventh chord. What distinguishes the chord is its unusual relationship to the implied key of its ...

@bjb568 Oh neat, thanks :)

Dr. Dre - Big Ego's (feat. Hittman) HQ

6:50 PM

►

...I need to go play this in my Jeep now.

user315433

While driving through something more densely populated than Monument, CO.

The Gopher Rap (Both Sides) - Claire Swan

Hey, if you count gophers it's a veritable metropolis.

user315433

Then you should play this one instead:

user315433

►

7:06 PM

@Shog9 tbh gophers are much better then people

I think I've tried all I can.

user315433

Have you tried roasted turkey with cranberry sauce?

user315433

FR: RSS feed of network-wide posts by a user, i.e., the contents of stackexchange.com/users/36137/robert-harvey?tab=activity

When people say they've tried everything, usually they've only tried one thing.

user315433

There are over 4000 questions on SO with "I have tried everything", call them out on it.

user315433

7:38 PM

Hits to the Stack Overflow load balancer: 2016-10-18: 230,964,726 2016-11-22: 319,217,869 Both are Tuesdays, so…that went up a little.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 23, 2016 at 7:23 PM

Nick is always cryptic with straightforward stats.

Or is that a feature of Twitter?

user315433

It didn't sound like he knew the cause.

user315433

So, stackoverflow.blog was soon followed by stackoverflow.email, what other cool new TLDs are we going to see?

@i3arnon I think it’s the ad server shadow testing of a new algorithm, I hope. But that’s still a sharp increase.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 23, 2016 at 7:25 PM in reply to i3arnon

superuser

►

Does this person have any idea what they're saying?

user315433

7:48 PM

They are following a script, probably many times a day.

8:15 PM

@AaronHall What are they saying, out of curiosity?

I'm at a place where I can't turn my speakers on.

user315433

They are giving unsolicited SEO advice, such as "get rid of ... everything here (circling the entire homepage), put user testimonials and your phone number".

O.o

Yes... they already lost me at "put your phone number there".

@zaq The video became a must-watch

I mean, it's prolly boring, but curiosity does what curiosity does best

And.. they want keywords like "highest quality" and "lowest prices" there.... ROFL!

8:19 PM

How does putting my phone number on the front page of SU helps in SEO?

So you get rid of those pesky Stack Exchange Support Number spammers, duh.

. . .

Did they get redirected to SU's 404 page and think it's some kind of an Amazon?

They got one thing right though. That long list of questions doesn't look exciting to outsiders.

Q: Tooltip for flagging chat messages wrong

3

When trying to flag a message in a chatroom's starboard, the tooltip whilst hovering over the flag button is click to star.

Hehe fun bug

Starring @Aaron's messages

removed

@S.L.Barth Yah, that's what my friends always tell me.

And unsurprisingly, and because of a poor command of English, they never understood my SE hype.

I tried to get some friends on SE. Not much success so far.

...and most of them are reasonably fluent in English.

8:28 PM

Well, you can't just expect someone without questions to come into a gathering of people with questions or answers and stay there.

Well, they do sometimes have relevant knowledge. Whether it's anime, programming, pets...

So, they can answer, too.

user315433

I sometimes run into people I know IRL here; didn't have to invite them. People on the first page by all-time rep at Chess, Music: Practice & Theory, Mi Yodeya...

First page by all-time rep? Sounds like you've got some pretty bright acquaintances!

user315433

Working at a university usually helps with that.

Well, unless your friends are confident answerers; then showing them a list of questions they can answer would intrigue them

8:35 PM

@zaq True. But I also knew a Ph.D. who knew Stack Overflow, knew Ask Ubuntu... but didn't know about Pets.SE. And that Ph.D. had a dog.

@S.L.Barth These are people of the zaq clan

@M.A.R. Yes, I've been thinking that I should just share a tag.

@S.L.Barth Or one interesting question

You know, whatever would attract them

Tried that. Even tried the clickbai- I mean, Hot Network Questions.

user315433

Or you could wear a badge to work. "Ask me about my SE reputation".

8:37 PM

SE is meant to be strict, and usually is much more than other sites out there

So sometimes naziz downvotez sounds shocking and leaves a bad taste

user315433

Well, there's that mentorship program that Jon came up with a while ago...

(For future readers of that message above, I do NOT mean downvoters are nazis. I'm a downvoter myself.)

@M.A.R. That's part of the problem. You want them to have a good first experience, but then you need to explain "How To Answer".

user315433

And it wasn't even mentioned in the SEQP2 post.

@zaq Is it there? Or is it still just somewhere in the pile of ideas they could implement?

8:38 PM

@zaq There was also meta.ELU trying to do something about it.

But as the tradition obliges, you should procrastinate doing stuff in language meta sites.

I think @M.A.R. is on to something though - sharing the right question could help.

Of course I am. I'm on a lot of things.

Problem is: they have to read your advice on how to answer, AND the question.

Well, let's treat this analytically.

What would make an SE level question/answer interesting?

Hm... I guess, relevance to one's situation.

8:40 PM

Ideally only if it's related to what they studied in the university.

Realistically, it heavily depends on X.

where X = the confidence they have in themselves to contribute something

If that confidence isn't justified, they could be in for a cold shower.

X = Y^2*Z where Y = confidence in answering and Z = confidence in commenting

@S.L.Barth Yeah, but you should tell them about how things are.

That would reduce Y and Z but would also decrease A where A = the chance that they'll get bitten

And that is the hard part: you got to tell them how things are, and they still have to read the question. That's two pieces of text. People want to watch pictures, not read text.

The pain would be reduced if you do it gradually

Don't drop tons of stuff to read at them

Also make sure to speak about your interests in SE.

''Hey there's this site, and I've grown on it because''

Next meeting, ''they have these high quality answers I was looking for an answer for. However, they're a bit strict''

Well, at work I don't need to introduce people to SO.

Some of them even have accounts, but rarely use them.