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11:16 PM
I am in a conundrum. I am currently staring a poor question in the face, as I often find myself doing. I want to downvote it, and in fact I did, but then I quickly undid my downvote. I realized that, more often than not, a question of this quality is likely to receive a pity upvote if the score is negative, and my downvote would actually be giving the OP rep. So I’m going to wait a while, and if the question gets an upvote, I will downvote then.
This all seems incredibly silly.
 
@AlexisKing it is. Just downvote - statistically, the question will get no other votes.
 
@Shog9 Low traffic tag. I have personally observed this behavior many, many times.
 
sure
 
user315433
My solution is to bookmark the second page of [tag]/newest, e.g. stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…
 
Well, it’s impossible to prove, given that I can’t try both scenarios and see what would happen in each case. ;)
 
user315433
11:23 PM
(With the page number and size adjusted based on traffic). Avoids a lot of issues, besides pity votes: chameleon questions, simultaneous answers, obvious (but unknown to me) duplicates...
 
This tag is low traffic enough to get ~10 questions per day, so if I only looked at the second page, I would never get to answer any questions.
 
user315433
Well, if everything gets answered anyway, why bother looking at the tag at all?
 
user315433
Mission accomplished.
 
@AlexisKing what tag?
 
@zaq I like answering questions. I find it fun. ;)
@Shog9 OR
 
11:27 PM
a'ight... Let's look at scheme. Quick'n'dirty query, probably bugs. For questions posted in the past 365 days...
VoteTypeId First vote Then upvoted Then downvoted
---------- ---------- ------------ --------------
2          425        177          53
3          186        66           85
When the first vote was an upvote (type #2), 177 of 425 were upvoted, and 53 of 425 were downvoted (some were probably up- and down-voted... quick'n'dirty, remember?)
When the first vote was a downvote (type #3), 66 of 186 were upvoted, 85 were downvoted.
This includes deleted questions... And deleted votes
A good chunk of questions (but less than half) never got any votes - so ignoring those
 
I’m not saying this happens for most questions. But this is specifically the sort of question that is in the awkward in between. (And I’ve monitored these tags almost every day for probably over a year and a half now, so those numbers seem reasonable to me.)
 
Don't get me wrong, I've seen sympathy votes plenty of times
But it's hard to deny that the bigger problem - even in small tags - is questions that never get ANY votes
 
Most of the questions we get in these tags are either awful or extremely meh. The meh questions don’t seem worth a downvote, but they’re usually not worthy of an upvote, either.
 
user315433
No vote, no answer, no problem. Roomba 365.
 
Many of those meh questions are clearly homework questions, but they’re not gimme-teh-codez so people can at least give some form of ethical help.
@zaq Most questions in these tags get answered because of the relatively low questions-to-answerers ratio.
Many of those answers get upvotes, even if the questions do not.
 
user315433
11:33 PM
Solution: stop using these languages to teach programming.
 
I don’t think teaching people Java or Python as their first programming language is necessarily a great idea, but I admit I think SICP is a terrible introductory text, too.
 
user315433
Let Java and Python folks handle the brunt of homework, there are more of them.
 
user315433
(What is a "brunt", anyway? No idea)
 
But for some of these students this isn’t an introductory course, anyway. Maybe it’s a functional programming course. Some of these people are competent programmers who don’t understand how to write recursive or immutable algorithms because they didn’t learn them when they wrote Java.
 
Hi! :)
 
user315433
11:39 PM
Well look at Mr. Primary Upvotes here.
 
user315433
Sorry, should that be Dr.?
 
Nope, just Master.
Maybe one day.
 
@zaq Finally remembered the name for this after thinking about it for an hour. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path
 
Interesting how Bhargav pulled ahead as India woke up, and stayed ahead, while 3rd and 4th place holders seem to be pulling neck and neck. soprimaries.charcoal-se.org/vote_counts/graph
 
user315433
From the name, I expected this to mean a path to a convenient hookup place near a college campus.
 
user315433
11:46 PM
Yes, 2 and 3 are asymptotically equivalent.
 
I was hoping Andy would place higher too.
 
user315433
The graph shows that Andy and ArtOfCode have support of meta/chat regulars who already had their finger on the trigger when the primary began. Not as much among general SO population.
 
Well, if we get the top five again (and we place the same for the general election), Andy will be in. I'd be ok with that.
 
user315433
 
user315433
> support and align TOFU, MOFU, and BOFU goals with event-type initiatives. (If you don’t know what those are, then this role probably isn’t for you.)
 
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