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user202362

12:50 AM

user202362

this is what happens when you have food and clean water in the backyard

user202362

all of them are regulars too

user202362

5:05 AM

if you spotted lone husky and you cried wolf, are you lying or just simply mistaken?

user202362

6:08 AM

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user315433

6:59 AM

Candidate #12 looks like a strong contender despite not being a meta-household name.

user202362

always amazed at how most of the candidates manage to find tavern

rene

9:48 AM

@zaq that is indeed a good candidate. Would it be required to be active on meta to get a feel of it? Or do they run the risk on being slaughtered the first time they are called out?

S.L. Barth

10:44 AM

@zaq Another one who didn't do much reviewing until the election.

A flurry of activity on Nov 2, some activity in August, then a gap that dates back to May.

rene

2:54 PM

I'm not sure I'm happy that this question has been dupe close voted: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286649/…

Am I supposed to leave 404 errors on SEDE unreported because it has a common root cause?

Anyway: on the front page of SEDE the icons for beer.se and meta.beer.se no longer load. It needs alcohol and so do I ...

rene

3:13 PM

@JNat I have an high-prio issue send to you with the Contact Us form. This can't wait. (cc @Shog9)

Magisch

3:25 PM

@rene sounds scary

rene

Might be, yes.

Magisch

Well then

@rene I assume you're not at liberty to tell what it is.

rene

better not, no

hichris123

5:12 PM

→ 13 messages moved to Chimney

Shog9

7:14 PM

@rene thanks; we'll figure it out tomorrow. Don't have too much fun please.

rene

I will not, thanks

bjb568

7:26 PM

@ProgramFOX I fixed all the DD problems and upgraded to 16.04 LTE.

Whoops, I used an old DB copy. I'll fix it soon.

ProgramFOX

7:41 PM

@bjb568 Yup, I can confirm that it's fixed. Thanks!

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 who is @ranthony? Hybrid of @Rathony and @randal'thor? ;)

user315433

Could be a reference to someone's inclination to rant (and get suspended...)

Shadow Wizard

@zaq weird, the meta account shows no suspension reason, while the main account does show. Bug?

user315433

It's always like that, as far as I remember.

Shadow Wizard

7:56 PM

huh

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Q: Suspension reason shows on main, but not on meta

I recently discovered that there was a high-rep user suspended on Arqade, so that they could calm down a bit. When I was looking at their profile, I noticed that the suspension reason was shown on their main profile, but not on their meta profile. Main: Meta:

meh

Shog9

8:09 PM

@ShadowWizard Next time I have to respond from my phone with greasy hands, it'll be Raytheony.

rene

@ShadowWizard maybe you can also suspend the meta account?

Shadow Wizard

8:27 PM

@Shog9 solution: baby wipes. You should visit LH more often. :)

@rene you mean the suspension on the meta account is separate? I don't think so... Shog can confirm though.

rene

Can't you be only suspended on the site meta?

Shadow Wizard

6

Q: Should suspensions on parent sites follow through to meta sites?

If a user is suspended on the main site, should that suspension carry over to the meta site? For example, vgv8 is here asking about their suspension on SF and SU. These questions should be asked on the MSF/MSU but they can't, because they're also suspended from there. Surely a suspension should...

discussion account-suspension per-site-meta

so looks like you're right. Weird!

rene

I'm always right .... runs ....

Shadow Wizard

@rene not so fast.....

6

A: What happens when a user is suspended from a meta site?

This is outdated, we can no longer suspend from just meta. All suspensions have to be carried out from main (the mod message/suspend option is greyed out on meta). When a user is suspended on main, the suspension carries over to meta. MSO is an exception, as always.

So you were wrong! :D

Probably it's still separate behind the scenes, e.g. different tables or fields

rene

yeah, I guess so

Shadow Wizard

8:35 PM

taking a petal as punishment for being wrong

rene

I think the update statement is not complete on the meta profile

Shadow Wizard

@rene might be... guess only a dev can tell. @Oded isn't pingable anymore... @Adam as well... balpha is, but I won't dare...

rene

You don't want to involve the managers for subtle bugs ...

Shadow Wizard

@rene true! There's one single "low level" developer pingable... guess who? ;)

user315433

Jeremy

Shadow Wizard

8:45 PM

yup, the newest recruit. Reminds me of my army service..... :D

The newer you are, the dirtier your tasks are. :)

Wonder if "Stay pingable in Tavern" is on the requirements list? lol

user315433

9:02 PM

> Last I checked, you are not forced to leave a comment on every answer you review in LQP. When in doubt, don't. Otherwise it just makes you sound stupid. -- meta.stackoverflow.com/a/337812

user315433

Some people are under impression that if none of the canned comments fit, one shouldn't vote to delete at all.

user315433

(Forgot where that was voiced, one of the countless metas...)

user315433

LQRQ is in the best shape of all the queues. In other aspects, SO should prepare for post-review future, where the reviewers who still give a crap become a tiny minority without much influence on the outcomes.

user315433

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Q: A new policy of closure: November 2016

What's the current homework policy? The current HW policy is laid out in this post. In essence, only blatant homework copy-pastes should be closed. These often get closed unilaterally by moderators. Why do we need to do this? What's wrong with status quo? There have previously been disagreeme...

discussion featured close-reasons

rene

9:17 PM

@zaq Hans is pretty spot on there ...

user315433

Maybe get rid of VLQ flag on answers.

user315433

E.g., answers of the form "Use this library [github link]" aren't great but I don't see a compelling reason to delete them.

rene

Hmm, not sure if I like that. I foresee that after following three links I endup on SO again.

See this [blog] , blog article, for further info see [codeproject] and on the codeproject article, see [awesome answer on SO]

user315433

Maybe, but nothing says it has to be the only answer. Or that having no links to follow is better.

hichris123

@zaq Even better: one could just edit them rather than saying "Here! I don't feel like doing anything about them so let's make 6 people spend time on it!"

Although, to be fair, I did do that... many times...

user315433

9:23 PM

Scenario A: the [use this library] answer is one among others. Then people will read those others, if they are more useful.

user315433

Scenario B: the [use this library] answer is the only one. Then it's better than nothing.

user315433

My criterion for NAA flagging these days: the person is trying to get something instead of trying to give something.

rene

Not sure I get that. Can you elaborate?

user315433

Trying to get something: "Have you solved this problem? I'm looking for the same thing". Or "Can you add some code to your question?"

user315433

Trying to give something: "this library can help with this sort of thing".

rene

9:28 PM

Ah, OK, but that assumes that answers can be a kind of replacement for Google search results

user315433

The "read this blog post, it will help" answers I still flag, though... maybe I shouldn't. The existence of Web Archive weakens the argument about link rot.

rene

I still think read this is not useful but if it has a bit extra it might be OK-ish. I mean, often a single phrase is enough to get you on the right track

user315433

If the question is important for enough people, someone will eventually post something better than a link. But most questions aren't important.

rene

How about a feature where a link will be automatically replaced with [title of webpage you linked to](link) similar to what happens if you paste a link to an post on the same site

@zaq and for importance we still rely on (down) votes and views?

user315433

Important means it comes up in search results for sufficiently many people.

rene

9:37 PM

so the referrer is important then

user315433

If they are developers, and they are unhappy about being sent somewhere by the answer, someone will write up a better answer.

user315433

One of podcasts, long ago, mentioned how many answers get posted after the user lands on SO from Google search. Something like 50% was said there... Would be nice to have an update on that statistics. (And also on whether the question answered is the question they first landed on.)

rene

@zaq that 50% seems very high

for today standards

user315433

That's what they said on the podcast too.

rene

I guess you would see that in the distribution of new Q's and new A's.

user315433

9:53 PM

I think one has to look at the referrer data in server logs, which we don't have access too.

rene

@zaq sounds a bit like this FR but then for a better cause.

bjb568

@ProgramFOX Interestingly, after I screwed stuff up I nuked it and it was fixed by default.

Also, SSH completely refuses to authenticate root for some reason. I wasn't even aware of an option to make it not authenticate root. So I had to nuke it again and create a new user before doing the reboot after upgrading to 16.04.

Sysadmining is some crazy stuff.

user315433

I remember Nick Craver mentioning that one can't ssh as root to SO.

user315433

FR: a way to search the tweets of a Twitter user.

user315433

You guys know we don’t allow root to have SSH access…right? Evidently some “hackers” missed the memo.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on December 30, 2014 at 11:22 PM

user315433

10:04 PM

@bjb568 Hire Nick Craver to do it for you.

bjb568

I know it's bad to have root be given SSH. My solution before was to just disable the entire user.

Meh.

New Ubuntu seems to be more colorful.

user202362

11:16 PM

SmokeDetector

11:58 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Hyper-V Sockets in 2016 version and host/guest communication by TimB on security.stackexchange.com

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