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user259867

6:02 PM

So, yesterday we talked about private use area Unicode, and I looked at U+E000 as an example. Now I want another one, so why not take U+E001. Interestingly, fileformat says "not valid" about the latter, but not about the former.

user259867

Weird. isValidCodePoint is true. I guess this is a glitch on fileformat's part, they should have treated U+E000 the same way.

Undo

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy We're played with that, and haven't really found a good way to do it.

user259867

6:21 PM

@SmokeDetector fp-

GnomeSlice

6:42 PM

Bonus listening:

C-jeff - A Thousand Bridges (feat. Raz Ben Ari)

►

@Bart

Unihedron

@GnomeSlice: chipzel.co.uk/album/interstellaria-ost

GnomeSlice

Definitely one of my favourite artists.

@Unihedron yeeeeeee interstellaria got chipzel, I forgot about that

Have to check that when I get home

Unihedron

it came out yesterday

I was too busy to notice :P

Santa Claus

!!/test sexy

SmokeDetector

@SantaClaus Not blacklisted

GnomeSlice

6:44 PM

!!/test chomo

SmokeDetector

@GnomeSlice Not blacklisted

GnomeSlice

Lol

Unihedron

!!/test windows

SmokeDetector

@Unihedron Not blacklisted

Santa Claus

!!/test shog9

SmokeDetector

6:44 PM

@SantaClaus Not blacklisted

GnomeSlice

Hey bro, you a chomo? You hear the new Jerry Sandusky CD?

Unihedron

!!/test meta.stackexchange.com/users/266094/unihedron

SmokeDetector

@Unihedron Not blacklisted

Unihedron

!!/test Unihedron

SmokeDetector

@Unihedron Not blacklisted

Santa Claus

6:45 PM

how can i abuse this

Unihedron

Apr 25 at 10:12, by Unihedron

!!/addblu http://meta.stackexchange.com/users/266094/unihedron

^ Wasn't I blacklisted?

GnomeSlice

That's my favourite question

Santa Claus

!!/addblu

SmokeDetector

@SantaClaus Invalid format. Valid format: !!/addblu profileurl or !!/addblu userid sitename.

Santa Claus

doesn't !!/test just look at post body not who posted it

Unihedron

6:46 PM

!!/test filerepairforums

SmokeDetector

@Unihedron Blacklisted: Blacklisted website in body

Unihedron

!!/test Unihedron is an awesome person

SmokeDetector

@Unihedron Not blacklisted

durron597

!!/test bit.ly

SmokeDetector

@durron597 Not blacklisted

GnomeSlice

6:47 PM

!!/text hydraulics

Unihedron

Bye

durron597

!!/test goo.gl

SmokeDetector

@durron597 Not blacklisted

GnomeSlice

Test you dumb phone

durron597

!!/test tinyurl.com

SmokeDetector

6:47 PM

@durron597 Not blacklisted

Santa Claus

!!/test I'm running for President of the United States of America because I want to defeat the Washington machine.

Our country is run by and for the special interests, and the career politicians in both parties let it happen.

We look around and see the same old, tired career politicians from yester year running. Hillary Clinton? We know how that movie ends... trillions more in debt, more taxes, and more Benghazis. Radical Islam thrived and grew while Hillary was on the top floor of the state department. Now she wants a promotion?

SmokeDetector

@SantaClaus Not blacklisted

Santa Claus

sorry copying from my spam folder

Kevin Brown

Isnt there a room for testing Smokey?

Santa Claus

I'm sure there is.

Tiny Giant

6:48 PM

charcoalhq?

@undo would know.

durron597

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

Yeah

@Unihedron forget if I linked you this before

c-jeff.com/album/still-flying

Undo

!!/test legit
filerepairforum

SmokeDetector

@Undo Blacklisted: Blacklisted website in body

Undo

6:51 PM

Okay, so it is multiline

hichris123

@Bart Hey... nice comment for a pair of glasses. ;)

Kevin Brown

@Undo Sounds like the first line is interpreted as the title, and everything else is the body

Undo

@KevinBrown nope, it's interpreted like an answer

I think

I forgot what i did

but I know it passes None/"" to the title

user259867

@Undo "body" means question body.

Undo

Oh, then it's a question

user259867

6:53 PM

!!/test garcinia

SmokeDetector

@1999 Blacklisted: Bad keyword in body

Undo

I don't know :P

Kevin Brown

Hm, interesting

Braiam

@Undo well, you should tell your future self with a comment, next time

Santa Claus

Its like time travel!

Tiny Giant

6:56 PM

Preemptive time travel

durron597

@Undo does Smokey have logic in it for keywords that only go to the HQ but not to the Tavern for testing purposes?

user259867

7:15 PM

@durron597 Not to HQ; there is Smoke Detector School for that purpose. The logic looks like this.

durron597

7:30 PM

@1999 I'm thinking about adding logic for keywords like recommend, library, resource, tool, find, article, etc. but obviously that would need a lot of tweaking before it could go live

Undo

8:06 PM

@durron597 The Tavern and HQ get the same posts right now, but we do have the capability to send specific reason/site combinations to specific rooms.

(I.e. we send everything except one reason on Ask Ubuntu to their room)

durron597

@Undo Do you think that attempting to add tool request logic to Smokey is appropriate, or are you trying to do spam / rude / true garbage only?

Undo

@durron597 We're getting all posts anyway (holy crap it just hit me, we're seeing all the posts), it's a good platform to build off of. If we can find tool requests well, why not do it?

See github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/ws.py#L69 for the room/reason settings

durron597

@Undo Perhaps I'll work on it this weekend. However IANAPython programmer

Undo

@durron597 I'm not either. You should see how many build failure warnings @hichris123 and @ProgramFOX get in their inboxes.

durron597

@Undo haha

Undo

8:11 PM

It doesn't help that I test in prod.

durron597

@Undo Usually a good idea.

Undo

Or more accurately, I use CI as my compiler.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 24 at 0:39, by Undo

Panic driven development

Tiny Giant

The best way to test something is by forcing it upon real live users without checking for bugs first.

durron597

@TinyGiant Crowdsource QA

Undo

Really, here's the one-line guide to Python: Write psuedocode. It will work. Indentation matters. And for whatever reason, it wants :'s after if's and such.

Tiny Giant

8:14 PM

You can do that with php too.

Undo

nah, too many dollars and arrows and things floating around

Tiny Giant

<?php if(something): ?><div class="error">Hello</div><?php endif; ?>

The :'s after the ifs and thingys

Undo

I thought it worked without the :

Tiny Giant

same with while, for, etc

Only if it's one line

And I wouldn't try it with html without the colon

or a curly brace, but "endif;" is more descriptive than "}"

Undo

Huh

It's been too long since I've used PHP. I'm starting to have reasonable expectations.

Tiny Giant

8:18 PM

I haven't really used php in an intense manner in a long time either, just for db to json really

But it has been getting better... Somewhat... Slowly...

hichris123

@durron597 You could do it, but it won't post in here. I don't want Smokey to post low quality posts in here, because then Smokey just gets spammy.

It can post in Smoke Detector School, etc, but not here.

user259867

@Undo Is the excluded reason for AU the nested quotes? ProgramFOX fixed that one recently, so that it targets actual spam and not broken syntax.

user259867

The number of fps went down dramatically.

Tiny Giant

@durron Possibly a new "Low Quality Posts" room?

If there is not one already

Kevin Brown

Is there a SO-specific room?

Might be useful at the beginning, considering recommendations aren't universally off-topic

Undo

8:27 PM

@KevinBrown heh

durron597

@KevinBrown yeah

Heh, Smokey could report certain kinds of things to the SO Close vote reviewers room

Actually, @Undo I bet smokey should start doing that right now - reporting stackoverflow posts to that room

rene

What kind of crap are we talking about?

Or do I need to read back the complete transcript?

durron597

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 5 hours ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Can't change font color of specific class/section on squarespace site by sam on stackoverflow.com

Braiam

@rene be a Shog and find out ;)

Undo

@durron597 We'd need a moderator to give it access

durron597

8:33 PM

Having posts like that appear in your room

Err that link doesn't work but this one does if you're 10k

rene

@Braiam Watch it, mentioning him also summons him as I found out yesterday...

durron597

@Undo Jon Clements is in there pretty often, I'm sure he'd do it

rene

That would be only SO posts then?

durron597

@rene Yeah @Undo said earlier that they send all the askubuntu ones to their room

rene

OK, We can try it for a couple of days to see if that works for us

durron597

8:37 PM

@rene Cool! @Undo so what needs to happen

bjb568

@jQuery no one says it was. I always use jQuery (with vanilla js where appropriate). it alleviates alot of the tediousness of javascript for a vast majority of things a web developer needs to do in regards to working with the dom. — r3wt 8 hours ago

more of these alots…

Undo

@durron597 I'll go hunt down an SO mod.

rene

Smokey can talk on SO so that is not a problem

Undo

And make Smoke an SO chat account

Oh really?

rene

26 rep

Undo

8:39 PM

Huh. Okay

I don't remember making that post :P

durron597

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@durron597 brews coffee for @durron597

rene

Maybe you didn't

Undo

okay, let's try this

durron597

Wow, been pretty quiet on the western front for awhile, I thought smokey was down

SmokeDetector

8:40 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Lumia 630 dual sim Windows Phone showing update demo content instead of phone reset in about by Lightcoder on windowsphone.stackexchange.com

Tiny Giant

@bjb568 jQuery is for lazy programmers, and it unintentionally teaches bad object caching habits, because it is so "easy". You pay for the ease in your overhead.

I don't even use it for animations, because I believe that if your browser is old enough to not support css transitions, then your computer is probably a dinosaur and should not be subjected to animations anyway.

Braiam

@TinyGiant ... hey! She can hear you :/

Tiny Giant

Lol...

Undo

!!/report stackoverflow.com/questions/31483063/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Will an unreferenced object used in an anonymous class instance not expire? by Jon Skeet on stackoverflow.com

5

AstroCB

8:47 PM

@SmokeDetector gasp

durron597

@SmokeDetector What a spammer that guy is, sheesh. Does he ever quit?

Undo

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@Undo Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.

Undo

huh, no delete

AstroCB

@Undo It would have been interesting to have a feed of Jon Skeet's answers being reported as spam in the Tavern...

5

Undo

8:49 PM

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/31483148/1849664

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Will an unreferenced object used in an anonymous class instance not expire? by Jon Skeet on stackoverflow.com

durron597

@Undo Is Smokey smart enough to have userids for other sites? In other words do the ask ubuntu guys do tp/fp etc. in their room?

Undo

@durron597 They can't, Smokey only listens on the Tavern and CHQ

durron597

@Undo gotcha

@SmokeDetector fpu-

user259867

9:02 PM

It would be nice to have a "delete" button in the list of one's comments (in the profile), for quick cleanup. Navigating to each post -- opening the question, all answers, rendering all comments, rendering MathJax, then looking for the comment -- is just so much hassle.

user259867

I know the API supports comment deletion, but authorization... meh.

user259867

Does the Close Stats page stackoverflow.com/tools?tab=close&daterange=last30days actually work (for 10K users on SO)? I'm unable to open it on Math.

user259867

hm locking could solve this, yes - but it could add a different issue - question would become harder to maintain. No edits, no retags? not good - given how unlikely is the case we try to address, it feels like killing gnats with a cannon. Lock would apply to all self-closed dupes, while probability of reopening these may be around 0.01% — gnat 12 mins ago

user259867

Little surprise that gnat objects to killing gnats with a cannon

durron597

@NormalHuman It worked for me

user259867

9:14 PM

durron597

@NormalHuman That happens occasionally. Just reload the page

rene

@NormalHuman oh, 524 is a new number. I got 522

Kevin Brown

@rene 522 means it can't connect at all, 524 means it connected but got no response

user259867

The 14d version barely managed to appear. It's a database size / querying issue, I think.

rene

Oh, cool

user259867

9:17 PM

Maybe Oded optimized something specifically for SO, and Math wasn't considered.

rene

@NormalHuman I also had a bug report for that but that fixed itself...

user259867

Since Cloudfare is involved, I understand this is not a browser-specific timeout, so changing a browser or its settings wouldn't help.

rene

It is a query timing out for sure

user259867

Yeah, I can get 14d but not 30d or 90d. Will post on meta.Math, I guess.

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

SmokeDetector

9:27 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW CAN WE EXTRACT THE STREAM ORDER BRANCH? by arvind on gis.stackexchange.com

user259867

9:42 PM

The chat buttons on the right of input area are normally send and upload... When editing, there is also cancel editing. The markup of the page contains the 4th button, fixed font. Is it ever visible?

Jon Ericson

@NormalHuman Try pasting code into the window.

user259867

<td id="chat-buttons">
                                    <button class="button" id="sayit-button">send</button>
                                        <button class="button" id="upload-file">upload…</button>
			                        <button class="button" id="cancel-editing-button" style="display: none;">cancel editing</button>
                                    <button class="button" id="codify-button" title="Toggle fixed-width formatting (ctrl+k)" style="display: none;">fixed font</button>

user259867

Neat. Thanks!

Jon Ericson

@NormalHuman No problem. ;-)

user259867

Fun fact: as of now, the only SE site with exactly 100% answered questions is... not what I would guess, at all. Woodworking

bjb568

9:50 PM

478 questions

user259867

Yes, but there are 8 sites with fewer questions.

hichris123

@NormalHuman It's visible when you have multi-line messages. Either by copy & paste, or Shift + Enter.

Tiny Giant

@hichris123 Good to know

user259867

sd 2fp- (-baba- in a string)

durron597

@NormalHuman However, the answer there is NAA.

SmokeDetector

10:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: In "That patient merit of th'unworthy takes", what does merit mean exactly? by HFo on english.stackexchange.com

user259867

Not offensive, though the newest one is NAA, and generally I expected something more clear on this topic from other answers...

user259867

10:18 PM

In Pasternak's translation, "Насмешки недостойных над достойным". A whole lot easier to grasp.

Tiny Giant

10:44 PM

@Ken White, I don't think the guidelines are dumb. I think the pompous approach that many take on this website is unnecessary and dumb. The point of this site is to help people. It's not to gather reputation to brag to your friends or to use it as a resume builder -- real world people will not jump on hiring someone that can't interact with others no matter how good they are at what they do! I think many here need to re-visit the purpose of answering questions for others in the first place. — theforestecologist 4 mins ago

"pompous", "unnecessary" and "dumb" @bart It looks like its time for one of your signature responses.

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Windows was unable to install your SAMSUNG_Android by robert twilley on stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

11:44 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: No Page matches the given query by rizotas on stackoverflow.com

user259867

Looks like OT/typo

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp- dominio.com

Charcoal HQ

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