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tchrist

12:00 AM

@bjb568 Si los son, los son.

bjb568

Pero es falso

Braiam

Apparently Google assumes you're traveling during the ferry's normal operating hours. We lost two hours circling that damn lake (to say nothing of the Straw Man).

@hichris123 this can explain certain things

hichris123

heh

It finally finished.

Now to "expanding Windows files".

tchrist

12:16 AM

@bjb568 ¿Cómo que no? Preparados con pasión y amor, sabrosos y chiquiticos — y baratos además — pues dímelo tú ¿qué otra cosa serán? :)

Doorknob

"providing another reason to switch to Linux..."

hichris123

@Doorknob We're already to the next step.

It only took 3 hours (so far)!

Doorknob

> only

hichris123

Oh we're to the last step! :D

Doorknob

:P

hichris123

12:19 AM

... or not, Windows Update wants a piece of the action.

@Doorknob I was expecting 6-8 hours. ;P

bjb568

What?

hichris123

Oh this monitor looks so much better with Windows 7.

DirectWrite is so much better than GDI.

SmokeDetector

12:36 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: What should be the maximum affordable loan earning X per month? by Groege Phlilp on money.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Why is Arwen dying? by DavRob60 on scifi.stackexchange.com

bjb568

Move more comments link to top ♦, Eastover, NC

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Q: Add a 'Show more comments' button to the top of a list of comments

In this stackapps answer there is a fairly long comment thread. As you read the comments you find that some of them don't make sense. When you finally get to the bottom, you notice that you missed 16 comments. I propose that you add the same 'add / show 16 more comments' button to the top of a...

feature-request status-declined comments

What's with the get parameter? And why does it break things?

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector ignore-

bjb568

@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will not longer be posted.

hichris123

12:53 AM

Heh, I never knew bjb wasn't sentient.

bjb568

:3

user259867

Money spam still there, -3: money.stackexchange.com/a/48523

Braiam

1:14 AM

@Yes gone

bjb568

Why's it still there?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WINTERHOLD COLLEGE SKYRIM by Kali Dawn on gaming.stackexchange.com

Kevin Brown

@bjb568 shouldiblamecaching.com

bjb568

@Yes!

Frank

1:30 AM

@bjb568 I know that user... He's a mechanics mod

bjb568

Yes, yes, there's a diamond there…

Jason C

Went to file a bug report on mse, found a duplicate when typing it, turns out it was me 2 years ago. It's so disappointing when that happens.

I can't even upvote it for support.

Braiam

@JasonC well, at least you didn't google'd a problem, found the answer and when you went to upvote it it told you "you can't vote your own post"

bjb568

bounty

Jason C

@Braiam Lol. I think I have done that before though. When that happens I just buy myself a beer.

@bjb568 Meh.

hichris123

1:37 AM

@JasonC Link?

bjb568

At least post it here.

Jason C

It's totally uninteresting though, but if you insist: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/208328/…

bjb568

This is even part of the reason why CDNs exist. Users aren't patient enough to wait for light to make it to the other side of the Earth and back. — kasperd 8 hours ago

Jason C

1:49 AM

"How do I get food out of braces? I can't brush my teeth at school." -> "You can totally brush your teeth at school." -> "Oh that worked, thanks." Boom! Life hack!

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Braiam

@JasonC that's sad... very sad... more sad that sad panda

bjb568

> you'll look dopey brushing your teeth at school so like everyone else just said bring a brush stick to school available at chemists and super markets etc: and go into a stall or try and go of alone. To clean got teeth. You can carry it in your pocket and stuff.

nods and smiles

Jason C

Sometimes you just gotta to clean got teeth.

bjb568

You just gotta hope you're in a stall and of alone.

But it's all ok with a brush stick from a chemist, or even a super markets etc brand one!

Jason C

I should stop bothering him, lol.

TimWolla

1:55 AM

probably-spam stackoverflow.com/a/30541104/782822

bjb568

Flagged spam.

and dv'd for good measure :D

gone at -10

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Do I need to watch all James Bond movies starring Daniel Craig before watching Skyfall to understand the plot and characters? by Ubik on movies.stackexchange.com

Jason C

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Unihedron

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/30520859/3622940

TimWolla

cv-pls-way-too-broad stackoverflow.com/q/30541249/782822

AstroCB

2:11 AM

@JasonC "How do I sleep when there's lots of noise? Ear plugs fall out." -> "Cut the ear plugs in half." Life hack!

bjb568

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A: How to remove ink from paper?

There are a few methods for removing pen ink from paper White Out You can use White Out to cover up pen marks. Sadly this does not remove the mark, it only masks it. It also only works (looks good) on white paper. Household Chemicals Nail Polish Remover Apply a small dab of nail polish remov...

> Non-chemicals

Jason C

@AstroCB Yeah I saw and hated that one earlier today. More like, you're doing it wrong.

bjb568

Can we please revoke his diamond?

hichris123

no.

AstroCB

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Q: How to deal with cockroach at home?

Recently, in the past few months, I found and killed some (~4) cockroaches at home, I'm worried that there is actually more cockroaches, I've tried putting Roach Baits in the kitchen, bathroom etc. but the cockroaches are clever enough to know that it's a trap made by human, so it didn't help ver...

cleaning kitchen personal-care pest-control

hichris123

2:13 AM

I'd rather revoke your License To Be A Cat--.

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AstroCB

Ouch.

bjb568

That's Not Titlecase.

AstroCB

Would that make bjb an un-cat?

bjb568

:o

hichris123

@bjb568 It Is. Are You Trying To Say That It Shouldn't Be? Because It Currently Is In Title Case.

bjb568

2:15 AM

> License to Be a Cat

We need to revoke hichris's title case privs!

Jason C

Lɪᴄᴇɴsᴇ ᴛᴏ Bᴇ ᴀ Cᴀᴛ

@bjb568 "Titlecase" Isn't a Word

We need to revoke bjb's chat privs!

bjb568

Now it is.

Titlecase is a word.

Jason C

Oh hey, we can.

bjb568

:o

I'm still wondering what the "--" appended to hichris's post are for…

hichris123

Hi chat!

@bjb568 cat--;

bjb568

2:24 AM

You're decrementing cat?

Oh, cats.length. You need to name your vars properly.

Jason C

> Complexity: Requires you to set the things up once, what takes quite a while - about 5 min., or more.

Kids these days...

bjb568

what takes quite a while?

Jason C

@bjb568 No, I think he just murdered a cat.

bjb568

is this translated from the ambiguous que or something?

@JasonC D:

:0

ಠ_ಠ

Jason C

@bjb568 Creating a custom keyboard layout (ultimately using microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22339). 5 minutes is apparently now considered "quite a while".

bjb568

2:29 AM

> Complexity: This requires you to set the things up once, which takes quite a while: 5m+.

Their grammar is borked.

Jason C

You're borked.

bjb568

Your mom's borked.

Jason C

I borked your mom?

I borked on your mom? (Ewww)

Jan Dvorak

@JasonC just flag him

bjb568

@JanDvorak flagahu?

WTH? There's an input event that fires when the value of an input/textarea changes! Why don't more people know about this?

It also fires after the value change has been made. Incredibly convenient!

Jason C

2:49 AM

@bjb568 I think more people do know about that.

bjb568

Did you?

Jason C

I knew about it, which doesn't bode well for you.

Jan Dvorak

So did I

Jason C

Hahaha @bjb is suck

bjb568

Meh, I'd seen onkeydown onkeyup onkeypress in SO answers before.

Jan Dvorak

2:52 AM

did you vote?

bjb568

I sidevoted, of course.

I guess you still need to use keydown/up/pressed to figure out which key was pressed tho.

tchrist

@JasonC Actually, it is. See Unicode.

However, it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

There are the only inherently titlecase code points in Unicode:

U+001C5 ‭ ǅ  GC=Lt SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON
U+001C8 ‭ ǈ  GC=Lt SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L WITH SMALL LETTER J
U+001CB ‭ ǋ  GC=Lt SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH SMALL LETTER J
U+001F2 ‭ ǲ  GC=Lt SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH SMALL LETTER Z
U+01F88 ‭ ᾈ  GC=Lt SC=Greek        GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI
U+01F89 ‭ ᾉ  GC=Lt SC=Greek        GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH DASIA AND PROSGEGRAMMENI

Jason C

Your face doesn't mean what you think it means.

tchrist

However, titlecasing it one of the 3 (or 4) casemappings.

There are 89 codepoints who titlecase mapping and uppercase mapping differ.

There are just the Latin ones:

U+000DF ‭ ß  GC=Ll SC=Latin        LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
U+001C4 ‭ Ǆ  GC=Lu SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER DZ WITH CARON
U+001C5 ‭ ǅ  GC=Lt SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON
U+001C6 ‭ ǆ  GC=Ll SC=Latin        LATIN SMALL LETTER DZ WITH CARON
U+001C7 ‭ Ǉ  GC=Lu SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER LJ
U+001C8 ‭ ǈ  GC=Lt SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L WITH SMALL LETTER J
U+001C9 ‭ ǉ  GC=Ll SC=Latin        LATIN SMALL LETTER LJ
U+001CA ‭ Ǌ  GC=Lu SC=Latin        LATIN CAPITAL LETTER NJ

Then again, uc("ß") is "SS".

Unicode is weird. Have a nice day.

Jason C

@tchrist "Title case" and "uppercase"

tchrist

3:05 AM

@JasonC I have the Book, and am perfectly willing to use it.

Jason C

DO IT!

tchrist

I’ll just give you the FAQ for now, not the actual chapter and verse from TUS.

Q: What is titlecase? How is it different from uppercase?

Jason C

I'll have to notify them of their typo.

bjb568

TODO for bjb: move the canvas runner script into its own file

tchrist

Let me know how that works out for you.

Jason C

3:08 AM

Ahhh! N-grams shows rise in "titlecase" starting 1989. Now I'm uncomfortable.

tchrist

See book 7, chapter 4, verse 2: CASE

You can just read pages 164–167 for now.

Jason C

I sent them an email. I expect great success to come quickly.

tchrist

When you have finished that, then you can go back and read Chapter 3, Verse 13 on "Default Case Algorithms".

But do not skip Conformance Requirement C20 on Default Casing Algorithms

> C20 An implementation that purports to support Default Case Conversion, Default Case
Detection, or Default Caseless Matching shall do so in accordance with the definitions
and specifications in Section 3.13, Default Case Algorithms.

Jason C

You're right. I now have a credible source showing that the Unicode publication editors accidentally added "titlecase" to their local spell check dictionary.

tchrist

It’s a very Good Book.

You need to read it.

All of it.

But you may start with 154–158 and 164–167.

Jason C

3:16 AM

What happens if I start with 153?

tchrist

I assume you’ve read those scant pages by now, but once you have finished the entire book, do let me know how that worked out for you.

@JasonC Oh, go ahead and start with 152.

But if you go back any further, ɹɐʍɹɐq will have his way with you.

I also suggest reading Unicode Technical Standard #18 on Unicode Regular Expressions, which will also shed light on this topic.

There is a Rule for titlecasing, you will be cheered to learn.

> R3 toTitlecase(X): Find the word boundaries in X according to Unicode Standard Annex #29, “Unicode Text Segmentation.” For each word boundary, find the first cased character F following the word boundary. If F exists, map F to Titlecase_Mapping(F); then map all characters C between F and the following word boundary to Lowercase_Mapping(C).

Jason C

First draft of Unicode in 1989, corresponds to increase in popularity (from zero) of "titlecase". Coincidence?

tchrist

The coin of the realm is words.

Jason C

I think one of those guys made a typo that lasted forever. I will never respect it as a word.

tchrist

Let me know how that works out for you.

Jason C

3:25 AM

It's working out great, actually. I have a decent job, a nice apartment, my cats are pretty cool. I'm a little bored right now, though.

tchrist

You haven’t finished reading.

Jason C

The airplane food was exceptionally crappy yesterday though. It's possible that it was because I don't acknowledge "titlecase" as a word. I hadn't considered that.

tchrist

It is not the task of Σίσυφος, howsoever challenging it is to properly case him out.

That final sigma is great fun.

And then there’s İstanbul. Have a great night.

Jason C

What's a 13-year old doing $575 worth of shoes? — tcrosley yesterday

The elephant is noticed. Awkward silence ensues.

bjb568

> What do people keep saying "responsive frameworks"? You add functionality with code, not frameworks. Frameworks are just a crutch for incompetent developers, they don't add functionality on their own.

was going to post it on ux.stackexchange.com/a/45234/42756

but then I controlled myself

Jan Dvorak

3:38 AM

>:(

bjb568

@tcrosley Not sure but I suspect it's related to why the child doesn't feel the action was wasteful in the first place. — Jason C 4 mins ago

snark level: over 9000

Me likey.

AstroCB

He got the girlfriend — luann May 23 at 16:03

Well, apparently it worked.

bjb568

… gr8

user259867

> Whatever your expectation for how much a pair of shoes for a 13-year-old should cost, it's too late to tell the OP they spent too much. While that may be a valid critique of their budget, it's both insensitive and irrelevant to mention in a comment. Try to make comments relevant to the actual question and try not to get diverted from side issues. -- Jon Ericson

AstroCB

@bjb568 Ouch.

bjb568

3:42 AM

Relax, he could have been channelling his hormones into this kind of thing: youtu.be/5QowbusrQ-E?t=9m20s :) (the aim is to get the cow in the water without getting a horn up the ***) — Benjol 16 hours ago

wow

Jan Dvorak

s/up the aß/inside your own body/

bjb568

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Q: Change "comment" to "critique or request clarification"

Got around to talking about comment flags with Robert Cartaino this morning... We're working on rejiggering the flagging options to make it a bit more obvious when stuff should be flagged, with the end goal of making it possible to automate some of the current flag-handling. More on that later; o...

feature-request comments user-interface

this looks good

Re shoes ("While that may be a valid critique of their budget, it's both insensitive and irrelevant to mention in a comment. Try to make comments relevant to the actual question and try not to get diverted from side issues."): I disagree, I think since the value of the shoes were important enough to the question that it was appropriate to ask why so much was spent on them. Especially with the relaxed comment culture on parenating SE, I think the comment is fine. It's a perfectly logical thing to wonder in that situation so I don't see it as attacking or insensitive. — bjb568 1 min ago

hm… editing chat comment will cause post refetch/update.

Unihedron

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, 5 mins ago, by KodeSeeker

so yes its my other account. I happened to be signed in on that one

What should I do when I suspect sock-puppetry but am not certain whether that is the case?

hichris123

flag?

Jason C

3:59 AM

@bjb568 I dunno. I removed my comment after reading Jon's post.

bjb568

Well, your comment didn't actually contribute anything.

Jason C

Yeah

bjb568

How long does it take for parent site info to propagate to chat users?

Jason C

Somewhere between 6 and 8.

AstroCB

...units

SmokeDetector

4:05 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: aforementioned to own brain fog syndrome by susanhewety on drupal.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

morning!

Jason C

Wait

Brain fag syndrome

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This is apparently not vandalism.

Unihedron

@hichris123 Ok, I flagged for mod to investigate. If the flag gets declined, I'll throw a table your way.

user259867

0

A: Should I open a credit card when I turn 18 just to start a credit score?

Definitely not. Credit cards only exist to suck you into the soulless corporate system. What you want to remember here is that you can't trust banks, so you'll want to convert all your savings into some durable asset, say, bitcoins for example, and then hoard them like Smaug until after the Fall.