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Infinite Recursion

7:02 PM

@ShadowWizard Lol yeah, but he asked in the tavern before my rep loss, so I am cool with it. For science! :D

Now I feel like Smokey.

Law, maybe, but I'm not sure of Legal on Area51

@AndrewT. It was Law Q&A. Lemme check for a legal site...

user259867

> By analogy, Stack Overflow, Unix, Mathematics, and so on are the network's miners. As the town grows, more people move in to provide services to the miners themselves. [...] They are important for quality of life, but they don't accomplish the primary mission of the town. So far, Puzzling has provided entertainment for people in need of a break from more productive sites. -- Jon Ericson

> Proposed Q&A site for legal professionals, students and others with experience or interest in law

So if Law made it into beta, I guess it could cover legal

@InfiniteRecursion So.. it has come to this.

(continuity)

Infinite Recursion

7:07 PM

Yes!

:()

wow. that was intentional. I was just going for a smiley.. and ended up with that.

Infinite Recursion

I can't star your smiley. I can only talk and kick.

Heh, somebody wants to sell me viagra for only 11% off.

I know some will sell it for FREE*.

Infinite Recursion

3 mins ago, by Lynn Crumbling

@InfiniteRecursion So.. it has come to this.

@bjb568 Mine says FREE*!

> *With the exchange of your mortal soul

7:11 PM

@InfiniteRecursion - If you leave chat, can you no longer join?

First kick us all before you do

You can probably only chat because you are a room owner.

who what happened to inf's rep?

Unaccept bug?

user259867

@bjb568 Yes. meta.stackexchange.com/users/245167/…

user259867

With the side effect of meta.stackexchange.com/users/259214/nicael?tab=topactivity

7:15 PM

Report?

user259867

It's well known by now to SE devs.

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ lol, I have a 2 years old son. I am well aware what is going to happen if I give him something fragile. Same with poor @nicael - give him major bug and he can't resist testing it. So no, no hard feelings. :)

@Yes and fix is coming in 6-8 weeks ;)

Will they fix his rep? Because from what I saw, it looks like he only lost rep because he got accepted and unaccepted so many times.

user259867

It better come in 30 days, or there'll be need for another suspension.

@ASCIIThenANSI It'll fix after the nightly recalc, or if Shadow runs it manually

7:19 PM

Expect at least 6-8 more weeks of being able to accept multiple answers. — Jason C 3 hours ago

@Andy Ah, OK.

Glad we're all on the same page, lol.

:D

@JasonC Now I can thank all the people who helped me!*

*with the side effect of destroying all of their reputation, making it seem like all their hard work means nothing

Next challenge for @nicael: reduce Jon Skeet rep to 1 :P

7:20 PM

Meh, seems like a simple fix to me. Throttle changing the accepted answer by like 15 seconds.

@ShadowWizard - I could do that right now.

^ cough hack

That sounds like a bad cough. You should get that checked

lol

@TravisJ will it be worth a suspension? :)

Yeah must be the change in weather.

7:21 PM

He answered one of my questions on SO. I have 35k rep. I could wear it all the way down to 1. Although I am pretty sure Shog9 would murder me.

@TravisJ Jon Skeet doesn't lose reputation. Zero gains value.

I would never do that though, I think it constitutes an immoral act.

@TravisJ write a bot then and blame it

It would be better to go find the answer where both Skeet and Jared Par answered my question and accept both of them :)

Show off!

7:23 PM

@ShadowWizard - It would require Skeet answering a question from the bot.

No, I mean automated script that will save you clicks ;)

@ShadowWizard Don't encourage him to be distruptive.

@ɥʇǝS oops! innocent look

@ɥʇǝS None of us would ever think of doing that... whistling

@ShadowWizard - You mean like the exact one rightfold posted earlier?

7:25 PM

shakes head slowly

This isn't all fun and games like everything seems to think.

As nicael found out the hard way.

Perhaps this code should be obfuscated or removed to avoid abuse. There was already a user suspended for using this as an attack vector. — Travis J 1 hour ago

@TravisJ oh, missed he used automated script

Interesting, I posted my room in JS room and Zirak joined.

Well the bright side is that it might encourage the team to fix it faster

and thus slow down features.

7:31 PM

+h

Bullet 5

@ɥʇǝS I don't see why anyone would care about having to wait a little longer. Besides, if this continues to be exploited, and someone has to go in manually, that just slows everything down more.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, email in answer: UK provisional driver's license without sending passport by post by document master41 on expatriates.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu

@ASCIIThenANSI Blacklisted user.

7:36 PM

This guy again

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Buy real and fake Passport ,Visa,Driving License,ID CARDS,marriage certificates,diplomas etc for sell by documentmaster41 on expatriates.stackexchange.com

How do I share a comment?

@SmokeDetector tpu spam

user259867

Informed spammers are the worst. stackexchange.com/users/6016984/documentmaster41?tab=activity

@ASCIIThenANSI Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

same guy again

user259867

7:39 PM

Read the tours of both sites, and decided that the topic belongs on Expatriates rather than Travel.

@Yes LOL

@ASCIIThenANSI - To share a comment, copy the timestamp link and paste it in chat or wherever.

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@TravisJ OK, thanks. c:

It looks like after 4 years, we finally killed our first Intel 2.5" SSD. It was in the most abused web server (Team City's file access).

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on May 15, 2015 at 7:37 PM

hmm...

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Do @Inf and I deserve a badge for this? ^

7:51 PM

@ShadowWizard Seems legit

@ShadowWizard Sorry, the badge is for -20K. You'll have to try a little harder next time.

Looks like I missed drama.

@ShadowWizard "Inf and I"

@hichris123 s/drama/hilarity

grr.... Engrish

7:52 PM

with that amount of rep loss, spelling is the least of your worries

@Andy nooooo.... but I lost the means to achieve it

@JasonC Transcript time!

@rene fun fact: I didn't notice the loss until someone pointed it out here earlier. Poor @Inf is different story.... no more privileges for her! D:

@hichris123 Basically you know who used a bug to drop Inf's rep to 1 and Shadow's down -19k.

plus some other people, apparently.

@ɥʇǝS wonder if he did it on SO too?

7:55 PM

@ɥʇǝS yup.

@ShadowWizard I sure hope not.

going to SO's users page

Doing it on meta was bad enough.

Doing it on SO though..

No one said it yet?

This is why we can't have nice things.

hmm.... only -985 max drop on SO

pffft

7:57 PM

Operation get Infinite Recursion rep to chat was successful

he seriously needs to chill out now! remember the ban he had for migrating questions somehow?

@hichris123 nope, no signs of attack there, unless the team already triggered recalc?

@TravisJ Can she always access this room? Since she's a room owner.

@ShadowWizard - I checked on SO as well

@ShadowWizard I was saying yep to @ɥʇǝS.

7:58 PM

@hichris123 - I am not sure, I don't think that you can bypass the rep limit

No signs of any activity on SO that was significant

rightfold lost a couple hundred, but only like 190 or something

@TravisJ oh, I see. So wonder why network wide suspension to the MSE attacker?

@TravisJ Thought so too, but chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/266345/smokedetector can talk in here with 1 rep... Smokey's on the explicit write list, though, hmm...

Inf can just add herself to the explicit write list..

Anyway, I am off. Farewell o/

Can she?

7:59 PM

Maybe? I wonder if she can even access the settings page without 20 rep.

I feel like making a sock to test this.

@hichris123 but you'll have to ask a dev for room ownership

user259867

@TravisJ Revision history would still be there.

@ShadowWizard That's why chat.SE exists. :P

oh, lol

my sock got too much rep already :(

user259867

8:01 PM

@ShadowWizard I heard there's a quick way to get rid of that...

@ShadowWizard Then post a spam answer and watch the rep melt away.

@hichris123 hmm.... setting room ownership requires the user (that will be owner) to have 100 rep, so I fear it won't be easy to test

still talking about nic?

not directly, just the side effects of his actions

@ASCIIThenANSI haha, or start a bounty :D

wait a second.... this look suspicious???

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Q: Why does the reputation tab looks weird?

Look at this user's repuation tab. There are infinite +15 for accepted answer and infinite -45 as voting reversed. It doesn't say which question's answer was accepted. Is this a bug? (I am unable to take a screensnap)

support reputation

8:04 PM

@ShadowWizard I have a room you could use.

@ShadowWizard ??

@ASCIIThenANSI I have a room too ;)

I don't know why I think it's nicael...?

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ legit way to get rid of extra rep getting in the way of testing stuff

@Shadow so the question probs is nic then?

8:05 PM

@ShadowWizard Yeah, starting a bounty and not using it would work.

@ASCIIThenANSI why not using it? The sock got legit rep, as long as I don't give it to myself, it's legit to use an "ordinary" bounty :)

@ShadowWizard Didn't think the sock had questions worth bounties

@ASCIIThenANSI nope, but one can start bounty on any question, not just his/her/its own

Dont ban me, but comment if you see +10/-10 flicker on your notification inbox. I am trying it. — user293046 1 min ago

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tsk tsk

i'm baffled now

who is this user!?

8:10 PM

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Q: Achievements can be used against us by trolls

First, please take a look in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVTsQZeVCSM The baby is having fun, but imagine someone would cause the lights in your own room to turn on and off over and over and over again? Irritating, isn't it? Now see this: It's real. (Thanks Manishearth for...

discussion top-bar trolling achievements-dialog

@ɥʇǝS This wouldn't be a problem, if it was really +10/-10. It's more like +10/-30.

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ yeah, I think it's him too, but giving the benefit of doubt.

@user293046 Did you not learn from anothers 30 day network suspension? They are currently banned from doing anything on the entirety of SE for abusing this. I wouldn't follow. — ɥʇǝS 55 secs ago

@ɥʇǝS 'anothers' in quotes :P

hehe

@ɥʇǝS It must be him - it's a user who joined today with no other accounts on SE - why would he suddenly be interested in someone's rep!?

8:12 PM

I thought so

@ASCIIThenANSI Abusing bugs in the system is a problem either way. You know what that's called? It's called cracking and people have gone to jail for it. Thankfully SE is very leneient about it but it's a slippery slope..

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ Agreed.

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Microphone jack not working by National AwesomeNess on apple.stackexchange.com

And... he correctly tagged the question - no new user does that! :P

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: undefined reference to `computeArea(int, int, int)' by TKM on stackoverflow.com

@ɥʇǝS looks like @Shadow is with me as well now :)

@Shadow can SE not ban by IP??

8:15 PM

yes, they can

they should probs do it then...?

@user293046 you'll be banned/nuked not for abusing, but for bypassing a suspension. You should really stop doing it. Believe it or not, Stack Exchange will still exist. If you'll keep creating new accounts, you'll just make the suspension on your main account last longer. — Shadow Wizard 1 min ago

Not sure if that affects more users

if it really is nicael... 'great' acting :P

@ShadowWizard But I am not bypassing a suspension. I am not suspended. What suspension are you talking about? — user293046 33 secs ago

just ignore and move on...

"It wasn't me! I swear! Wait... what did I do?"

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8:17 PM

@ShadowWizard don't waste your time on him, downvote and move on

yay! He's been suspended :)

(again)

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reputation reputation-summary support

lol

@rene already did, plus flagged :)

:)

Well said, @Anna :)

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8:19 PM

that ^^

that ^^

that ^^

that ^^

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ of course they can, but I'm pretty sure a person like (you know who) is masking IP or making sure to use several different addresses

Thanks :)

8:21 PM

@AnnaLear just curious, do other users (cough cough) share same IP as this recently suspended user? ;)

@ShadowWizard It's not really our business.

yup, fair enough.

Backseat Moderators' Tavern on the Meta

I've no idea - didn't look, and can't say even if I did.

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Obviously you didn't drop everything & fix the bug @Anna, but why didn't you drop everything and try jQuery?!

8:38 PM

$("user").findIP();

@hichris123 I dropped the bass, does that count?

Sure. :P

I feel like keeping tabs on meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=NewUsers&sort=creationdate now...

@hichris123 are we in Code Red then?

All stations: red alert

hope we won't need the sniper chimp again... or @Oded ;)

8:47 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user, email in answer: Time between Green Card and SSN? by documentmaster41 on expatriates.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu

@rene Blacklisted user.

Good to see they also deliver in the Netherlands

Not sure what to do with an unregistered driver license

@hichris123 good point

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: My Volume automatically goes up without me doing anything by Jordy on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: python tkinter how to bind key to a button by dickbutt on stackoverflow.com

@SmokeDetector ignore edited

8:55 PM

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@SmokeDetector tpu

@rene Blacklisted user.

SPAM

SPAM

@ShadowWizard nope.

... meta.stackexchange.com/users/293047/user293047

oh my. Well, another gold badge for @Anna ;)

9:15 PM

So when Shadow's rep is given back, will his +19,000 be clipped to +200 due to rep cap?

@hichris123 - Was that a joke? lol I clicked your keeping tabs link and this was the first user that showed up: meta.stackexchange.com/users/293049/nicael

@TravisJ Yeah... uh... not sure what in the world is going on there.

meta.stackexchange.com/users/293049/nicael?tab=activity

Woof.

Meow.

so, he became a full time troll... kind of sad

9:20 PM

Hey @ᔕᖺᘎᕊ, I'd advise you disengage that meta thread now

@TravisJ What.

goes back to working on unicode patch

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@Undo Just thought I should do that :P Thanks for the advice though :) sorry if I worsened the case! :(

So, that user said they weren't all the same user but clearly they are.

They were all created at very similar times, and all posted very similar questions and actions.

Honestly... I've wasted too much time (about 10 minutes of my life!) - I don't care any more :P

9:22 PM

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ ah, you're fine :)

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ just fed a troll, but it's hard to resist :)

meta.stackexchange.com/users/293046/user293046 was banned claiming to not be nicael. A new user named "nicael" is created claiming the ban was incorrect. note the number of the banned user, 293046. At the same time that one was made, 293047 was also made. 293047 also posted on the same topic here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/256527/…

All 3 accounts were created almost at the same time. No other users seem to be having this issue.

@Shadow isn't it just :)

but it became kind of fun to see how deep it goes

we already know 293046 == 293047 (he's admitting that) but then he made 293049 and saying that's actually him. He's pretty good, but he'sbound to make a mistake somewhere!

9:25 PM

He already has a history of creating around 15 socks before, I won't be surprised though

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ Atleast create a new thread with proper tags about the actual bug. Atleast it will be recognized rahter than its current downvoted state. Though its sad that Anna Lear took such a bad decision and I always thought that she was a very good mod. — user293047 2 mins ago

and that proves it's him again

@AndrewT. 15!? more like 50 - remember the time when he migrated a question himself?

I don't remember the number, but yes.

i'm going to sleep now - interested in seeing what has happened by tomorrow ;) although I doubt SE will do anything now :)

Game Over

@user293047 maybe she's just waiting until we're done, so she can delete all those comments. And guess what? I'm done. — Shadow Wizard 20 secs ago

quitter

9:34 PM

Dear everybody, Nicael did something annoying then got banned, the end. Next topic, please.

wait, how is nicael commenting with 1 rep?

everyone can.

You guys are worse than a bunch of old ladies at a tupperware party. Just... find some questions to CV or something and do something else.

It's meta.

@JasonC plot twist: nicael's nemesis just appeared, and is annoying the hell out of him

9:35 PM

@JasonC for(var i = 0 ; i < NicaelSocks.length; i++ ) StackExchange.Ban(NicaelSocks[i])

@ShadowWizard Plot twist: Nobody cares.

Huh, I didn't know you could comment with 1 rep on Meta.

Great, that's a thing that is happening. Wow, things are happening.

Seriously is there nothing more interesting going on on SO today?

!xkcd technically

@AlexisKing Unrecognized command. Use !xkcd commands for a list of commands.

9:35 PM

The irony is you care enough to comment, @JasonC. ;P

!xkcd search technically

@AlexisKing Unrecognized command. Use !xkcd commands for a list of commands.

@JasonC sure there are, I have a bot on a cloud in my Den

!xkcd you're the worst bot ever

@AlexisKing Unrecognized command. Use !xkcd commands for a list of commands.

9:36 PM

!xkcd technically

@hichris123 I don't care about nicael, I care about coming here to find something interesting to talk about and being disappointed.

!xkcd find technically

"Technically that sentence started with 'well', so--" "Ooh, a rock with a fossil in it!"

@JasonC So tell us about your day.

So yeah, you all get my "shut up already" outburst, and no, you don't get to rationalize it away with an arbitrary comment about how "ironic" that is. :P

9:37 PM

interesting

@JasonC I was looking for that xkcd to say s/technically/nicael :p

Well, I'm getting new counter tops this week, that's exciting.

Um... I just found a bunch of mysterious bloody paw prints on my bathroom floor, but no cats seem to be harmed.

bloody... paw prints?

it was bjb

bjb?

9:38 PM

I know, right?

What have you been doing, @JasonC!

argh, ninja'd

Lol

Thanks @bjb.

Actually, I don't think I want to know.

If this is how you treat your guests, remind me not to come over anytime soon. ;P

I suspect one of the cats ripped out a claw or cut their paw then cleaned themselves up. I can't find any signs of injury.

9:39 PM

@JasonC is Mr. Plinkett.

@Anna edit war is starting on the Q as well, lock might be required

k, I'll keep an eye on it

If you want this over with @JasonC, at least VTC the question. ;)

(not 100% sure if it's really just noise, so not taking side)

@hichris123 No need to roll that back, IMO

9:42 PM

@AnnaLear Mm okay. Not like the question's constructive in any manor, but seemed like noise to me.

@hichris123 I can't see any reason to close it. Seems others are struggling to find a way to express "I don't like the conversation" as a close reason as well, based on the random shotgun blast of close reasons.

Trivia Q: name three multiblock structures that exist in vanilla Minecraft

@JasonC Pick your reason: rant, nothing to do with the SE network, should be handled in private...

@hichris123 I can edit to de-rant if that's the issue. Those other two you listed don't apply / aren't valid.

Anyways I'm sure somebody will pick a random CV soon enough, there's only one left and there's thousands of users not in the Tavern who are equally capable of moderating the sites. It won't be me, though.

New topic.

Where's @bjb?

9:48 PM

@bjb

And why are there no cat pictures in the Tavern?

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Prevent new chat users from flagging by teresko on meta.stackexchange.com

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@SmokeDetector ignore

@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

9:55 PM

Usually I have a script that auto converts images to links, but I haven't adapted it for stackexchange (only stackoverflow). Sorry :( I am not a fan of leaving animated images in the transcript

@Mooseman show @TravisJ your fox

?

@TravisJ Just beg someone for gifv support! :P

gifv would still leave a player with a play button (I believe) and even that isn't as desirable as collapsing to a link

true

but at least a bit better

@ShadowWizard - I would adapt it but I don't come in here as often. The c# chat room takes a decent amount of my chat time.

The adaptation just requires checking the current url location and using stackexchange to post to for the edit as opposed to stackoverflow

Here is a fiddle with some of the "bot" code jsfiddle.net/czknk35n

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