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Frank

12:00 AM

:P

Kevin Brown

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grr, hate it when that happens

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank The thrower attachment on my tractor kept clogging. It's not a 2-stage, so..

Doorknob

@KevinBrown "you can accept an answer just now" — what??? :P

Frank

@LynnCrumbling we got 10 1/2" up here

*down here

@LynnCrumbling You should put some hydraulics and a bucket on your tractor - much faster than a thrower.

although it is a little messier

@KevinBrown Ikr? Such a pain to wait momentarily to kill stuff.

user259867

@KevinBrown The perfect occasion to use the existence of two JavaScript zeros: negative "just now", positive "momentarily".

user259867

12:05 AM

Seriously, I thought they already replaced "just now" with "momentarily" in some contexts, but I could be wrong.

Doorknob

@FamousBlueRaincoat On a related note, if you do this, I hate you.

(So does every programmer who has to make sense of your code ever. :P)

Braiam

@Shog9 I. WANT. THAT!

nicael

@KevinBrown but admit, it has a sense of humour :D

Shog9

Was just discussing with Dalgas the idea that we need some path here to send questions from HIQ back into Triage. Not, "I don't understand this" or even "there's something missing here" but "there's no way in hell this ever should be answered on Stack Overflow".

Thinking this is a job for... Very Low Quality flags!

Braiam

:O

user259867

12:12 AM

I don't get it. The reviewers in HIQ are on average more reliable than those in Triage (2000 vs 500, also HIQ is not just clicking buttons, so less attractive). If a HIQ reviewer says it's bad, trust them and send it to Close queue.

Braiam

@Shog9 wait, but VLQ flags pumps the questions into triage

Shog9

eh? eh?

Braiam

yeah

user259867

status-need-a-colossal-review-flowchart

Braiam

> See, that wasn't supposed to be an option here - eventually, VLQ flags are gonna send questions into Triage, so having that as an option there doesn't really...

Shog9

12:13 AM

Braiam

oh... so you will create a new task and rehash the same question in "triage" again?

Shog9

user259867

I detect the presence of a directed loop.

Shog9

@Braiam Exactly

user259867

What advantage does this offer over giving HIQ reviewers a close option and sending to Close queue?

Kevin Brown

12:17 AM

If it hits the VLQ queue, don't some people have the option to close/delete questions from there?

hichris123

@FamousBlueRaincoat Besides, there would need to be a flag button for VLQ...

user259867

@KevinBrown My guess is that LQ queue is going to be answers-only eventually.

Shog9

@FamousBlueRaincoat Easy - don't particularly want to encourage that choice. It always ends the same way.

"Hmm... Spend 10 minutes editing this, or 20 seconds voting to close it. Hmm... HMMM..."

If you don't want to edit, don't be in this queue. There's a big ol' close queue that needs your help...

user259867

So, 10 minutes editing vs 5 seconds pushing VLQ.

Braiam

btw, @Shog9, put some spam on the triage audits... I haven't seen any

Shog9

12:19 AM

@Braiam ?

Kevin Brown

Idea: Have a "close" button that's just a link to the close queue

@Braiam there is

ha!

mm...

@Braiam There are spam triage audits

hichris123

12:19 AM

@Braiam stackoverflow.com/review/triage/7214115

Braiam

ok, then can we stop seeing them in the VLQQ?

hichris123

One of those Gmail support questions.

Someone needs to teach LQP reviewers that "Please try" != comment.

Usually not a great answer, but an answer nonetheless.

user259867

@hichris123 "Please try indenting your code with two spaces instead of four".

Kevin Brown

@hichris123 Those are hit or miss though, quite often I've seen "Please try X" where "X" is "reloading the server", "recompiling", or "checking again"

nicael

12:34 AM

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A: Categorized views in past flags (helpful/declined/disputed)

I think it's just the great idea. I made a script which will load all of your helpful/ declined/ disputed flags. To use, first go to your flags stats (http://{some-se-site-there}.stackexchange.com/users/flag-summary/your-id). Then run one of the following scripts. To show declined: javascript...

Yay I did it!!!!! Now works perfectly.

Go to your flag history, paste the script in the address bar or console & run!!!

AstroCB

cv-plz-rec stackoverflow.com/questions/28890443/…

hichris123

This is going to be another Gold, isn't it...

AstroCB

@hichris123 What KB said and the fact that half the time, what they're recommending the OP "try" has nothing to do with the question.

hichris123

@AstroCB We're not here to judge technical accuracy, just "is it crappy enough to delete"? Unless, of course, it's a Python answer to a Java question, or something that blatantly obvious.

AstroCB

@hichris123 The keyword there is nothing.

hichris123

12:47 AM

@AstroCB Someone's idea of nothing and my idea of nothing could be different... like say stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7251040

Kevin Brown

@hichris123 I should mention that when you mentioned "please try" questions, I wasn't thinking of those

I've actually got an auto comment for answers lacking explanation that I heavily use in the VLQ queue

hichris123

@KevinBrown Yeah, that's not a good example. Hold on...

@SmokeDetector fp nike

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

hichris123

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7246927 is kinda close...

user259867

@AstroCB Not convinced that prepending "Try this" to a 100% code answer is an improvement.

Kevin Brown

12:50 AM

@hichris123 Looks relevant, "Looks OK"

AstroCB

@FamousBlueRaincoat To tell the truth, it usually the best course of action unless the OP decides to add an explanation.

hichris123

Here's one that you reviewed, @KevinBrown: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7207555

user259867

But what does it add? I think any reader would assume that the code is meant for OP to use, whether or not those words are there. I mean, it's not posted there for typing practice.

AstroCB

@hichris123 Changing it to "Use XYZ" would fix it.

Kevin Brown

@hichris123 This is more of what I'm thinking of stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7250997

AstroCB

12:52 AM

@FamousBlueRaincoat Nothing, but it gets it out of the VLQ queue without being deleted.

hichris123

@KevinBrown I don't know where to draw the line on those. Although it's not a helpful answer, it does provide a suggestion... I usually skip those.

AstroCB

Here's another example: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7249518

Undo

FYI, I'm looking for examples of where the LQP queue tried to delete a "wrong" answer. I'd really appreciate links if you come across any.

hichris123

@Undo What is this going to be used for?

AstroCB

That particular example really should be a comment, because even though I'm not familiar with the technologies, there's no way that solves the problem (whatever it may be, because the question is too broad). I personally think that it should be deleted, but it doesn't technically fall under NAA guidelines.

Undo

12:58 AM

@hichris123 meta post, see TL

hichris123

@Undo Ugh I need to read the transcript.

Undo

starting chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/4?m=20387858#20387858

hichris123

@Undo mmkay, well, I'll let you know if I find any.

AstroCB

Who's going to be the first person to add canned comments to H&I?

Kevin Brown

I figured I'd give it at least 50 reviews before I'd start using canned comments.

hichris123

1:13 AM

> watsapp

SmokeDetector

1:29 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website, Blacklisted website: Wowtoes Spring Sale: 9-Day 8% Off for WOW Products Buying by ting wang on gaming.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

@hichris123 wat

hichris123

@SmokeDetector that's... weird.

Oh, website in title, website in body.

Braiam

> I take my sword, walk up, and ask respectfully, “Instructor, is there anything I can do for you?” The tamer points towards the east and says, “One mile out, there’s a forest, and in there some hot red peppers are grown. Boy, if you gather some of those peppers within 20 minutes, and sprinkle them on my lunch, I would be very thankful for your help…”

O_O

Andrew T.

1:45 AM

offensive android.stackexchange.com/a/101656/44325

bjb568

1:55 AM

unclear ^

AstroCB

Can someone upvote one of my posts for a second (or tell me what the hex color of the green bubble is)?

user259867

@AstroCB On what site?

AstroCB

@FamousBlueRaincoat Any.

AstroCB, The Milky Way

4.1k 9 15 38

user259867

Upvoted on Meta

AstroCB

@FamousBlueRaincoat Got it; thanks. (#33a030 if anyone's curious.)

bjb568

2:12 AM

"My nose will grow"
- Pinocchio

Frank

2:54 AM

that rhymes

So accept rate comments are not auto delete anymore?

Oh, it's my computer locking up...

bjb568

3:19 AM

For that scenario you need a felinated panificium turbine electrical generator. — A E 12 hours ago

Frank

3:29 AM

38 rep on GL til I reach 25k :)

almost halfway to 50

Roombatron5000

under 50 reviews remaining stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts

Frank

hiya Roomba

user259867

@Roombatron5000 Why such sharp drop?

user259867

3

A: Help Improve The Help & Improvement Queue!

Some notes on this, a few of which duplicate what others have pointed out in answers / comments - but it's kinda nice to have this all in one place. We're not as done with Triage as we thought There's a combination of too much confusion as to what 'unsalvageable' means, and possibly a little t...

Roombatron5000

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Q: The Low Quality Posts review queue is growing... let's burn it down!

A little over a year ago, we held the memorable community burnination of the close-votes queue. This has little to do with that. The close votes queue is so massive that it's practically a beast of its own. This is not a problem anywhere near the same scale. That said, the Low Quality Posts queu...

discussion review vote-to-close low-quality-posts

user259867

3:35 AM

I like how Alexis calls it "a beast". They stab it with their steely votes...

hichris123

@Roombatron5000 The real question is how many of those were incorrectly reviewed?

And there's actually 114 posts left to review

Roombatron5000

@hichris123 yea, 54 showing for me, but I skipped a lot , may have a few that I put in there, and already did 20

user259867

@Roombatron5000 You can find the exact number by opening the stats page in incognito mode.

user259867

Which is 114 as hichris said.

Roombatron5000

yea

Inquiring minds want to know! — subjectivist 5 hours ago

hichris123

3:47 AM

Can someone format the code here? stackoverflow.com/questions/28891923/…

Roombatron5000

just think of the huge lawsuit awaiting once someone's pet ferret or hamster accidentally falls in, and the stupid thing auto flushes

hichris123

For some reason, four spaces is generating a new line for me?!

user259867

@hichris123 Shouldn't it? Inspecting generated HTML in the preview shows nothing unusual: the paragraph closes with </p>, code block opens with <pre>

hichris123

No, pressing the space bar four times (to make a code block) made a new line. Maybe a Chrome bug.

bjb568

On DD comment upvote and flag buttons will be farther apart.

user259867

3:53 AM

And hopefully, comments will age away after 9 days. Unless upvoted twice.

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28892047/sampling-interval-of-loop

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28892029/…

Roombatron5000

stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7252581

stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7252694

are these all just entering the queue from "should be improved"? or are they throwing other ones in there too?

hichris123

burn-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28881467/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28865457/…

bjb568

@Woodface Will implement

Braiam

@hichris123 new line as it adds a break line or new line as it overflows

user259867

4:12 AM

Meta.SE user profile has new custom tooltips...

user259867

And also the old standard tooltips. Just in case.

4

hichris123

Eek new name!

2

Frank

Something only a photographer can say without being disturbing:

> I had a great time shooting moms and their children this weekend.

bjb568

4:33 AM

Should I not render formatting if an illegal number of delimiters are found? e.g. devdoodle.net/chat/message/5633

user259867

4:48 AM

On SO profile page (example) the orange highlight comes uncomfortably close to the bio text on the tabs questions, etc. At least in my browser.

user259867

@bjb568 A natural place to ask would be meta.devdoodle, let the site's user decide.

2

user259867

Generally, it'd be nice if local formatting mishaps did not propagate through the entire post, as it makes locating their source difficult.

bjb568

@Woodface hm… that's in development…

i.e. we'll do it someday

i.e. I'll get around to it

youtube.com/user/msadaghd/videos

Doing caffeine/time thing tomorrow, expecting chaos and panic about 2 lost days.

Night!

Jason C

5:07 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28892495/… too broad

Who are all these strange people in the star list?

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user259867

6 hours ago, by Famous Blue Raincoat

* On February 27, Jason C came back to SO
* Yesterday he came to meta.SO
* When will he arrive here?

2

Jason C

You did not see me here. Move along.

Was me inching closer and closer to the tavern so ominous that somebody made note of it? Next time I'll start way over on patents.se or something and work inwards from there.

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SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, URL in title: http://xtrememusclerecoveryrev.com/muscle-rev-xtreme/ by bile jan on meta.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

Comments are now optional in H&I; success!

Andrew T.

5:23 AM

@SmokeDetector meanwhile, spam

Jason C

Inspirational quote: "Vacuum decay is the ultimate ecological catastrophe, in a new vacuum there are new constants of nature, after vacuum decay, not only is life as we know it impossible, so is chemistry as we know it. However, one could always draw stoic comfort from the possibility that perhaps in the course of time the new vacuum would sustain, if not life as we know it, at least some structures capable of knowing joy. This possibility has now been eliminated."

If anybody needed cheering up. From sns.ias.edu/pitp2/2011files/PhysRevD.21.3305.pdf.

Andrew T.

Euh... that new queue isn't so helpful... stackoverflow.com/review/helper/7253273

AstroCB

Jason C

I don't really understand it at all, I just like the word "unsalvageable".

AstroCB

Tavern supremacy in the H&I queue. @KevinBrown @rene

@JasonC People are afraid of that word, so they choose "Should Be Improved" instead and it goes to the new queue despite the fact that no one but the OP can actually do anything to improve the post.

Jason C

5:39 AM

@AstroCB Well "Needs Improvement" does say "where edits by the author or others would result in a question that is clear and answerable". The whole "author or others" bit makes it super fuzzy.

AstroCB

10 hours ago, by Famous Blue Raincoat

"by the author" is an option there. So the button suggests using this option for questions where the author needs to add information.

Jason C

Check out this weird edit comment: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7253012

I can't imagine what sort of accidental sequence of events would have led to that.

AstroCB

@JasonC It's from an anonymous user, so I assumed that they didn't understand what the box was for and saw that it was required, so they just copied the site list at the bottom of the screen.

Jason C

That's an interesting solution.

Andrew T.

offensive android.stackexchange.com/a/101665/44325

Jason C

5:55 AM

At first glance I thought you meant the entire android.se site.

Ah I should probably try and get some sleep.

Andrew T.

They usually aren't offensive, only too many NAA :)

Jason C

I can't sleep on my right side due to a freak accident last night involving two cats, a plushy banana, and my right ear.

Andrew T.

bjbs and ear, understandable...

user259867

@AndrewT. Yes I periodically run the bookmarked search for new answers and flag some as NAA. Not sure if it helps; are there enough LQ reviewers? Need six 2Ks to get it deleted without mods.

user259867

Oh neat, I didn't realize we have a 'we just shipped something on meta' indicator built into the top navigation! http://t.co/AY85znGVLj

Tweeted by tinkertim on March 6, 2015 at 5:27 AM

Andrew T.

6:00 AM

@Woodface there are just enough reviewers, but scattered on different timezones

Jason C

Oh right, bed. Night!

Andrew T.

Night!

Hobo Sapiens

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/q/28893161/1864610

Roombatron5000

@hichris123 ty! It would've taken me at least a few more hours to realize.

It'd take over 2 years to upvote each one of his posts with only 40 votes allowed per day. Lets estimate you can only upvote like 2 of his posts per day without it being considered serial, then it would actually take at least 43 years to upvote each of his posts legitimately. — Roombatron5000 4 mins ago

@Shog9 tell us which single user has upvoted him the most and how many times that was and tell us if that user gave him any downvotes ever? Show us the data porn! Don't keep it all to yourself!

AstroCB

6:18 AM

@Woodface yes whatever. Your account can get deleted easily due to serial upvoting , but can never happen with John. — jQuery.PHP.Magento.com 51 mins ago

user259867

@AstroCB Eh. He's trolling. And Roombatron is double-pinging.

AstroCB

@Woodface I got kicked for triple-pinging Shog once...

user259867

Nov 1 '14 at 0:13, by cVplZ

@Frank there's no need to ever ping Shog, he sees all

AstroCB

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Q: Why let me flag a post if you're not going to let me flag it?

When you run out of flags for the day, the flag dialog still allows you to go through the process of flagging up until you actually click the button. You drill down through the menus, find the reason you want, and press the button only to see something like this: Obviously, you get a little nu...

feature-request flags flag-dialog

That has bothered me since before I had the ability to close vote.

Roombatron5000

6:43 AM

maybe a little suspicious , this answer just seems to copy pasted a couple lines from accepted answer. . but the answer got 2 upvotes , but it was in first posts queue, so likely got upvotes there, i clicked looks ok, but based on the username I figured to research some more

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