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J. Steen

4:06 PM

Doesn't English.SE have their own meta? stackoverflow.com/questions/29014665/…

Or is that on-topic on SO?

ProgramFOX

What do you think about this edit? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7323434

J. Steen

Useless and adds nothing.

ProgramFOX

rollback-worthy?

J. Steen

Hmm. Well. The title does change the meaning, slightly. But... well.

The edit's recent enough that a rollback won't hurt, I guess. And timeout is a useless tag.

ProgramFOX

also, the edit comment is awful

rolled back

J. Steen

4:12 PM

Oh yeah.

It's like the user sees a need to have 5 tags exactly, because you can have 5 tags.

Oh. I also noticed that the edit was on a three year old post. Which makes it an atrociously useless edit.

Louis

cv-pls-opinion-based stackoverflow.com/questions/28951348/isnt-this-tight-coupling

ProgramFOX

voted

and closed

J. Steen

No! Terry Pratchett is dead!

2

Louis

@ProgramFOX Thanks. That question remained at 4 close votes for a while and unfortunately managed to get an opinion in the meantime.

Ilmari Karonen

4:39 PM

@TravisJ: I wrote an SEDE query to rank questions by their Wilson score, but it looks like you deleted the answer I was going to post it as a comment to. You might still find it interesting, though.

It's slightly skewed because it only considers to top 10,000 questions by normal scoring (up - down), but the top of the list should still be pretty accurate, because you can't really have a very high Wilson score without also scoring pretty well by the usual metric.

I had to add that limit because it was timing out on SO and other large sites otherwise.

Mooseman

4:56 PM

Wow Lifehacks looks different with mod tools. Flag notifications everywhere!

ProgramFOX

Oh, LH has mods now! Congrats @Mooseman @Frank!

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Mooseman

@ProgramFOX Thanks! :)

rene

5:13 PM

@J.Steen Oh, that is sad. He died from Alzheimer dissease?

Ilmari Karonen

5:28 PM

@Mooseman Good luck, and may God have mercy on you poor bastards. ;p

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Are there any SO moderators here that could do me a favour and clean out the comments of my answer?

8

A: Why are Rust executables so huge?

Rust uses static linking to compile its programs, meaning that all libraries required by even the simplest Hello world! program will be compiled into your executable. This also includes the Rust runtime. To force Rust to dynamically link programs, use the command-line arguments -C prefer-dynamic...

Alexis King

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ You can just flag the post with a custom flag.

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Did that.

Jon Ericson

@IlmariKaronen I did something similar with anonymous voting. One thing I noticed is that guest users are a bit more free with their downvotes. I think we should consider using Wilson scoring for sorting answers and digging out great questions.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: create customized GUI using GroupLayout by user2320492 on stackoverflow.com

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

5:37 PM

@SmokeDetector !!help

(or however the help menu is invoked, lol)

user259867

The three LH mods are the three top users in meta participation.

user259867

Comm. Team just likes to pretend that the decision was difficult. :p

Hobo Sapiens

5:57 PM

Spam stackoverflow.com/q/29016931/1864610

Mooseman

My first moderator spam takedown :D lifehacks.stackexchange.com/a/6074/15

Jan Dvorak

\o/

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: STRING PERMUTATIONS by user223106 on math.stackexchange.com

Bionic Meta user

6:15 PM

Hi all.

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Hi

Bionic Meta user

Any of you know about ADHD ??

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD, similar to hyperkinetic disorder in the ICD-10) is a developmental neuropsychiatric disorder in which there are significant problems with executive functions (e.g., attentional control and inhibitory control) that cause attention deficits, hyperactivity, or impulsiveness which is not appropriate for a person's age. These symptoms must begin by age six to twelve and persist for more than six months for a diagnosis to be made. In school-aged individuals inattention symptoms often result in poor school performance. Despite being the most commonly studied...

Jan Dvorak

Is that the new rock band?

oh.

Bionic Meta user

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Does it prevent them from being a programmer ?

Jan Dvorak

Whom?

I call it "multitasking"

Kevin Brown

6:22 PM

@BionicMetauser It shouldn't

Bionic Meta user

ADHD sufferers

@KevinBrown DO you suffer from it ?

Kevin Brown

@BionicMetauser Not personally, but I've worked with others who did (and were programmers)

Bionic Meta user

Are they irritating to work with ? DO they blurt out often ?

Frank

@ProgramFOX Thanks!

Kevin Brown

@BionicMetauser As you're probably aware, not everyone behaves the same way with ADHD (or ADHD-I). But those who I've worked with weren't really irritating.

Frank

6:30 PM

@Undo ping

Jan Dvorak

@Frank please ping Undo in -1 minutes

Frank

why?

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Does anyone apart from @Undo and @ProgramFox know how to use the @SmokeDetector? I'm getting errors when logging in.

Kevin Brown

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Are you using a Stack Exchange OpenID?

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

@KevinBrown Yup

One I created specially to test this (because of spam and whatnot): stackoverflow.com/users/4664176/cyberbot

SmokeDetector

6:35 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: An unexpected error has occurred (-2147467259) when Importing spreadsheet by Matt Ludwig on sharepoint.stackexchange.com

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

I can only login with my email and not my username.

Undo

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ It'll only accept an email

Kevin Brown

What values are you using for the chat host?

I think that's where I got stuck when I was first testing it out

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Yeah, so what's up with this error then?

@KevinBrown You mean the `
smokeDetector_user_id = {charcoal_room_id: "72867", meta_tavern_room_id: "72867"}
`? I changed the values, probably wrong from what you're saying.

Undo

Ohhh

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ What account are you using for it?

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

6:39 PM

cyberbot

1 1

@Undo It's an SE OpenId account I created earlier.

Undo

yep. @ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ you'll need to make a chatroom for it, then ping someone with superpowers on chat to give your 1-rep account access to it.

Kevin Brown

Or have it make a bunch of suggested edits to get 20 rep

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Already created a chatroom for that, how do I know someone has chat superpowers?

Kevin Brown

(Like I did)

Undo

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Anyone with a diamond on any site.

Link to the room?

wait

we should make @Frank do it

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

6:41 PM

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/72867/spam-hq (might as well give it a good name)

Undo

Ohhhhh it's on SO chat.

Jan Dvorak

@Undo does a Minecraft server count?

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Ah, just a moderator then.

Undo

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Yeah, but if it's on SO chat you'll need to find an SO moderator.

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

ok

Jan Dvorak

6:47 PM

Am I the only one who's ever tried to control the monitor OSD with a mouse rather than the buttons on the monitor?

Frank

no

Jan Dvorak

Good :-)

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

@Undo Yeah, it works now. Changed to my normal account and it now works.

Jan Dvorak

Any reason the button that seems to mean "auto-adjust the VGA clock timing / display settings no matter what" is denoted with an italic "i" icon? (The "display information" icon in the OSD is an obligue "i")

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

@Undo This feed is normal right?

Lynn Crumbling

6:55 PM

@Mooseman @Frank Congrats!

Mooseman

@LynnCrumbling Thanks! :)

Frank

@LynnCrumbling thanks

ItachiUchiha

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, 52 secs ago, by ItachiUchiha

cv-plz kill it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29018018/3-modules-and-maven

Undo

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Yep

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

Ah, good.

Frank

7:30 PM

@Undo I closed my TL tab and it won't let me back in now, Mind pinging again?

J. Steen

7:41 PM

@rene Apparently. =(

Bionic Meta user

Hi all...

rene

@J.Steen the BBC made a documentary just after he was diagnosed

Bionic Meta user

I would need guidance on answering questions..
How can I improve this answer ?
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/287925/4461161

Jan Dvorak

Apart from it being factually incorrect?

Bionic Meta user

Ok what is incorrect ??

So that I can edit it

Jan Dvorak

7:45 PM

How do user stats correlate to the total amount of questions answered?

Bionic Meta user

stackoverflow.com/tags/android-studio/topusers

Link from Bills answer...

Jan Dvorak

OK.... after reading BTL's answer... yours lacks any explanation whatsoever

It says strictly less than the other one and it was posted later.

That you were apparently bypassing a quality filter didn't help things either

Mooseman

cv-pls no-code stackoverflow.com/q/29018960/1234256

Bionic Meta user

ok, hmm I thought since it was simple the OP and others would understand

Jan Dvorak

What does it add to Bill's answer, which comes two hours sooner?

Bionic Meta user

7:50 PM

Well I think that's all that could be answered...

I mean there is only 1 answer to that ..

Jan Dvorak

... and has been. So why add your own?

What's that delete/undelete thing you have done one hour ago?

grumpy owl death stare

Bionic Meta user

-4

A: Is there a way to see how many questions have been answered in a specific tag?

Is there a way to see how many questions have been answered in a specific tag? Yes clicking on the tag will take you to a page where you can see the statistics. For Eg: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/android/topusers 4,341 Last 7 Days 66.5% unanswered 17,590 Last 30 Days 62.8% una...

Fine now ?

Still a duplicate

^^

Oh ok fine deleted

7:55 PM

fluffy little sweetheart cursory look

Frank

lol

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

laughs in the face of death

user259867

There would be a direct way if isanswered:yes did not ignore acceptances

Bionic Meta user

Are you guys trolling me ? ;)

I am just learning things

user259867

As is, it only counts questions with an upvoted answer, ignoring accepted answers.

Jan Dvorak

@BionicMetauser I have already downvoted but I can watch the answer and alert the locals if it gets undeleted

Frank

7:56 PM

@BionicMetauser Have I met you before?

Bionic Meta user

@Frank Nope why ?

user259867

And one can't combine search parameters with OR, so isanswered:yes OR hasaccepted:yes isn't an option.

Frank

@BionicMetauser Just wondered.

Jan Dvorak

SEDE

Hobo Sapiens

Sad news item today: Sir Terry Pratchett has died at 66 :( bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31858156

Bionic Meta user

7:57 PM

@JanDvorak Thanks for helping/guiding me

Hobo Sapiens

Frank

@HoboSapiens ts;dr

4 hours ago, by J. Steen

No! Terry Pratchett is dead!

Bionic Meta user

@JanDvorak I will never undelete it again as you said that it does not add anything

rene

@HoboSapiens I'm going to re-read the Nightwatch

Bionic Meta user

ok

Frank

8:01 PM

ko

Ba bye

cya

cya

cya

> deleted by michaelpri♦, J. Musser♦, Mooseman♦ 2 days ago

6

^^ lol

user259867

Now it's triple-impossible to undelete.

user259867

8:05 PM

At least this shows you have some agreement between mods.

user259867

SE could data-mine votes, especially closure-reopening, to check if they are appointing somewhat compatible mods.

nicael

@Mooseman :)

Frank

8:23 PM

2

bjb568

8:35 PM

@JanDvorak shave feathers?

rene

Anyone who want to make some money?

i have 100 bucks to who ever can fix this for me — Jason Day 21 hours ago

Frank

lol

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

'I can give you excellent finance advice, for $100'. 'Don't waste your money on finance scams'

rene

I assume that everybody who reads that now owes you $100?

ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ

@rene Yep :).

rene

8:39 PM

You'll be rich soon-ish

Jan Dvorak

Or you'll be sued for fraud

user259867

I'm trying to keep track of the site design upgrades to LESS, HDPD, and slightly wider layout... So far: Webmasters, Academia, UX, ELU, WebApps, Apple.

Jan Dvorak

9:00 PM

@Braiam dammit man, you make a simple thing sound like some kind of roshambo. — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago

nicael

0

A: Help us test the shiny new "User Activity" page! (Plus a bunch of new features.)

Newest badge ≠ next badge, or does it? This user got "Suffrage" 16h ago, so it can't be just caching? Anyway, looks pretty weird..

Mooseman

@nicael +1

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Status of merchants in feudal Europe by jeff on history.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu abusive

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Blacklisted user.

Frank

9:10 PM

@SmokeDetector gone

nicael

Aaand... I can haz 104 answer upvotes today :)

Frank

@nicael in one day?

nicael

Yes. Yesterday was 119 :)

Frank

@nicael you're gaining rep faster than Shog.

So wrong

nicael

Not really faster, the cap eats 80% :(

Frank

9:22 PM

@nicael look at the leagues. You're going way faster.

nicael

Interesting, now I'll have another aim apart from reaching 10k and getting "Epic" badge :D

Frank

@nicael what's that?

nicael

First "all time" rank... How many years will it take me, eh? ;)

Jan Dvorak

skeet skeet

Frank

@nicael Assuming you don't get bored... ... wait, nvmnd.

nicael

9:38 PM

I am already bored. I post feedback but they upvote it for some strange reason... :P

1

Q: Reviewed Same Post Twice in The Same Review Queue

I was reviewing Late Answers in SO when I found out that the previous post that I reviewed was the same exact one I was reviewing now. It seemed weird as you can only do this in two different review queues. I thought I would set this as a once-in-a-lifetime thing that will be later be posted in S...

Hm

Jan Dvorak

Links or didn't happen — Jan Dvorak 10 secs ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: R- SQLDF - SELECT … CASE… END by shean10000 on stackoverflow.com

hichris123

9:55 PM

@SmokeDetector fp, maybe we should work on that...

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jan Dvorak

Doesn't look all-caps to me

bjb568

@SmokeDetector tpu

Undo

@Frank Did you get back in?

bjb568

pls?

it no like me :(

SmokeDetector

9:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WSO2 ESB ENDPOINT CALL WEBSERVICE WITH NTLM AUTHENTICATION by Nicolas on stackoverflow.com

Doorknob

Is there a fire or something?

So much smoke...

Jan Dvorak

It's just my burning passion for music

rene

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

nicael

@Mooseman Can you suspend yourself on LH?

Doorknob

10:05 PM

@nicael Can? Yes. Should? Arguable.

nicael

I know he can. But I'd just like to see :D

Undo

@nicael Yes, moderators can do that. And then we can unsuspend ourselves.

And then a CM asks what the heck we were doing, then we'd point them to you, and... poof

nicael

And wat?

:D

Undo

And poof

Doorknob

A certain someone goes poof

(not saying who)

Undo

10:08 PM

Might end up kinda like this poor soul

หมวยดาว แสนสุข

1 1

Doorknob

> suspension period ends on Oct 27 '42 at 14:54.

Well then.

nicael

@Doorknob that's quite temporarily :)

Undo

Depends on your time scale, I guess

user259867

So I thought if I should edit this question or not... it would take a heroic edit to put it into shape. Helpp with activity stack( i am offering the bounty to whoever explains why and how it happens so that others can be helped,although i know why ;))

user259867

Worth it?

user259867

10:09 PM

Or just close it for some reason. :/

Undo

wow, that'd be awesome if you could clean that up

I wouldn't

Jan Dvorak

Looks unclear to me

Mooseman

Poll: (Star the message containing the answer for which you vote.)

iframe

ajax

user259867

I vote for guacamole

Shog9

screw that

Jan Dvorak

10:21 PM

@Mooseman Needs context

hichris123

@Woodface don't forget the chips!

Mooseman

@JanDvorak Just in general...

Jan Dvorak

Still needs context. Are we choosing your next weapon of choice, or the technology that will be subjected to eternal damnation?

If it's the latter, I'd rather sacrifice iFrames

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp edited

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Hobo Sapiens

10:30 PM

cv-pls Too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/29021262/… (and I'm out of votes. :( )

Jan Dvorak

@HoboSapiens at least the answerers tried

Alexis King

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/29021518/465378 too broad

Hobo Sapiens

@JanDvorak This is one where I really wish they hadn't.

Jan Dvorak

@HoboSapiens how to discourage them?

Hobo Sapiens

@JanDvorak I wish I knew...

Jan Dvorak

10:38 PM

Can we hope for a roomba?

Night!

Hobo Sapiens

@JanDvorak Two answers? I don't think so. I've favourited it to del-vote in 48 hours.

user259867

@HoboSapiens If answers to a closed questions have <=0 score, they don't prevent roomba.

user259867

So far, this is the case.

Hobo Sapiens

@Woodface You know, I've read that page on the roomba rules over and over and they still don't sink in!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Is there a word that describes both "comparing" and "contrasting"? by XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD on english.stackexchange.com

user259867

10:42 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu offensive

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Blacklisted user.

user259867

@HoboSapiens There should be a userscript that shows DOOMED next to a roomba-eligible question. Hm... maybe @AstroCB will want to make one?

user259867

I could, but I happen to know the rules by heart, so wouldn't need it.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector gone

Hobo Sapiens

@Woodface I think I'll just lock myself in a room and read them until they stick.

Martin Büttner

10:49 PM

I was considering a feature request to notify users of tag synonym renames. I found that this has been asked before in 2010 when synonyms were really fresh (meta.stackexchange.com/q/58503/201409) ... while it doesn't have the tag it seems to be at least status-deferred back then. anyway the arguments from then don't seem applicable any more...

should I just post an answer to that request, or rather post a new request based on the current situation?

Unihedro

Salvageable?? stackoverflow.com/q/28967473/3622940

Mooseman

@Unihedro no

Undo

@Woodface Have a quick link to the rules?

user259867

@MartinBüttner Going "by the book", you should add a bounty for the reason "current answers are outdated"... It's still an outstanding feature request.

Undo

It'd be fairly easy to make

user259867

10:55 PM

@Undo Link

Doorknob

Wonderful. I love how this number input box doesn't let me erase the entire number and instead forces me to type my number, arrow key over to the old number, and then backspace from there.

user259867

I suggest adding the date of projected deletion, because it may be of interest to the user (9 days vs 360)

Undo

@Woodface Hardest thing would be getting whether it has any reopen votes against it

user259867

@Undo API has that info.

Doorknob

@Woodface If you have the privs

And that would require annoying OAuth

user259867

10:57 PM

@Doorknob No, it does not require auth.

Doorknob

(assuming this is to become a browser extension)

It doesn't?

user259867

23 hours ago, by Woodface

@Frank Here's a bookmarklet that shows votes of various kinds on any question (up/down/close/reopen/delete), regardless of your rep.

Doorknob

Why is "view close votes" a privilege, then?

Martin Büttner

@Woodface k, I'll consider if it's worth the rep ;)

user259867

@Doorknob It's same with up/down votes. You need 1000 rep to see them in the site's UI. But API gives them to anyone.

Undo

10:58 PM

@Doorknob Probably the same as the seperated vote-totals one.

Doorknob

Ah, right

Undo

yep, API shows it to everyone

@Woodface You might consider writing an SR question for it - then I'll have a much harder time forgetting to write it

(and SR rep for you!)

user259867

Are software-writing requests on topic on Software Recommendations?

Mooseman

@Woodface no

Undo

@Woodface Not phrased as such, but a "What userscript will show whether a question is in the roomba-queue" is fine

And if someone writes it then it's fine

user259867

11:01 PM

Okay will do.

Undo

ProTip: We like bullet lists. They look good and make people not close your question.

user259867

@Undo Yep, I'm reading site rules before asking. BTW you still have unicorns as example question.

Undo

@Woodface We have no choice

or we didn't last time I checked

Jason C

For the love of god

Undo

> There are currently no viable question candidates for the About page

:(

Jason C

11:03 PM

Hey guys let's try an experiment. Somebody tell me anything at all.

Undo

@JasonC The sky is probably not blue

user259867

@JasonC Java is an ugly language.

Jason C

@Woodface Great! On a related note, why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?

Undo

@JasonC Because branch prediction fail

Jason C

@Undo Great! On a related note, why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?

Undo

11:05 PM

it's borked

user259867

YABB: Yet Another Borken Bot

4

Jason C

I'm just going to start saying that any time anybody says anything to me.

I got it now.

I'm going to write a bot that posts "See also: why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?" as a comment on every new question, since apparently it's related to everything.

hichris123

@JasonC ok

Borky[JasonC] is broken again.

user259867

We have a user on Mathematics who does almost exactly the same. Except the question is randomly chosen.

Jason C

Whatever. Nobody understands me. Just pretend the last 5 minutes didn't happen and proceed with your previous conversation.

I'm going to leave the room and try again.

user259867

11:08 PM

Actually, he does not do it anymore; suspended for a year.

hichris123

Hey @JasonC: are you by chance developing a bot?

user259867

Cautionary tale for @JasonC ^

Mooseman

Is the fixed font
button something new?

Jason C

Hey guys how's it going? I think my little brother's been using my computer recently.

@hichris123 No. I'm developing a rant. It has a lot of bugs. I think I'm going to abort the project.

Frank

@Undo yup. sorry, thanks

user259867

11:11 PM

So to get into TL one also needs to know the secret knock...

Frank

@Woodface :P

Jason C

Hm; why are new Android programmers generally unaware of exceptions and stack traces?

I've never done any Android work; but it's such a common shortcoming that it seems like some bigger systemic cause.

Frank

@JasonC To spite you, of course...

Jason C

If there's a global initiative to spite me, I'm flattered, actually.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS? by Sian Benedito on gaming.stackexchange.com

Kevin Brown

11:21 PM

@SmokeDetector tp, might as well add it to the "bad" filter for later

SmokeDetector

@KevinBrown Registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Jason C

gaming.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/123200

user259867

Reasonable phobia name for fear of alcohol evaporating before you can drink it. Hmmm.

Jason C

Oh hey Mooseman, Frank, congrats on LH mods.

AstroCB

@Woodface Is that a challenge?

user259867

11:31 PM

@AstroCB Now it's a softwarerecs question, actually.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Comparing floating points in C++ with division problem by Christopher Harrod on cs.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

status-indev

Mooseman

11:48 PM

0

Q: Unable to reorder "your communities" with touch

I have a Windows tablet. I am accessing SE via IE 11 (metro) and using the touch screen. To reproduce: Go to the SE menu in the SE bar. Select edit next to Your Communities. Attempt to use the drag handles with your finger. Failure. Additionally, if you close the SE menu while in the edit...

bug user-interface top-bar stackexchange-button

Frank

@JasonC hey thanks

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