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Unihedron

2:00 PM

(sighs) (walks away grumbling about how high traffic tags posts gets all the attention)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW TO GET THE AVERAGE OF AN ARRAY? on programmers.stackexchange.com

Sam

@Unihedron Ikr?! And the sad thing about this is it happens quite often :/

Vogel612

@SmokeDetector he's back

and It's still crap

and I can't downvote!!! (hurk)

Unihedron

patrick wayne; patrick wayne; does whatever patrick wayne does :)

Stijn

Why doesn't Programmers have a flag/close reason for being off-topic and belonging on SO, without migrating?

Vogel612

2:06 PM

and gnat found it, gave it an edit and placed a comment..

@Stijn I have no (expletive removed) idea...

aaand the fucktards moved it to so..

Stijn

now it's migrated...

Vogel612

good friggin job, programmers...

Unihedron

@Stijn Just VLQ + vote migration :)

Sam

@Unihedron Oh look, another Q by the same OP. (Don't look at it for too long, your brain might explode.)

Unihedron

@Sam Thanks so much for the disclaimer! I twitched the moment I saw the part about assembly... Were I to investigate I would'v killed myself..

CV'd though, no worries

Sam

2:09 PM

Thx.

Unihedron

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Unihedron

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!@!@#!!@

Buddies at Java room helped kill it with fire :))

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Air système. bonne de nike tn on drupal.stackexchange.com

Unihedron

@SmokeDetector spam

Vogel612

okay, now I've done it.

drupal account for flagging spam created.

down btw.

Unihedron

@Vogel612 Welcome to the club!

Andy

2:17 PM

@Vogel612 Now all the spam is going to stop there. It's like going out to by a snow blower in the winter and then it doesn't snow again for the season

Vogel612

@Andy how are the odds??

Alas... Some opinions on the question I just asked on programmers meta, concerning that migration thing just now: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6878/…

Unihedron

@Vogel612 Maybe you can neutralize the tone. It sounds slightly provoking at the moment.

Vogel612

@Unihedron that's the plan, actually...

Unihedron

Oh. Never mind, then.

Vogel612

not that I want to start a flame-war, but I am quite agitated right now...

Ben Collins

2:29 PM

@ShadowWizard not direct Id entry, but we actually did bring up the idea of an "open in app" link in our team meeting last week

specifically we talked about using one of those banners. very controversial topic around here

Unihedron

2:49 PM

hia @lostsock

lostsock

yo

Shadow Wizard

@BenCollins OK, that should work either. :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Add a “don't migrate crap” migration 'path' to all sites on meta.stackexchange.com

Vogel612

false alarm...

Unihedron

@SmokeDetector uv-pls

Shadow Wizard

2:55 PM

I think it better not check for offensive words in MSE as "crap" is common in titles and totally legit

3

me how

where do i request cvs?

Vogel612

here...

me how

i thought someone has made a chat specific to it

Ben Collins

probably better to ignore questions with a score of 2+

me how

ah well ok here : stackoverflow.com/questions/25726850/…

Unihedron

2:56 PM

@BenCollins Score is not present in /realtime tab. :(

Ben Collins

ah.

Unihedron

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/findspam.py

Shadow Wizard

@BenCollins as a dev feel free to expand the realtime tab to also include score ;)

Unihedron

@BenCollins I up @Shadow - The more there is, the more we can make use of :)

Shadow Wizard

on second thought, even +10000 question can be edited into a spam post so maybe better not exclude them

Unihedron

2:59 PM

Yeah, maybe per-site exclusion. Just like what I'm proposing, for "weight loss" to be caught when outside fitness.SE.

Shadow Wizard

better a rare false positive than letting spam slip through :)

Unihedron

When was the last time a spam / offensive post on MSE had the word "crap"? xD

Ben Collins

@Unihedron why not use the API for this? it's a good example of the kind of thing it would be good for

Unihedron

Wait.........

There's an API?!

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron sure and @JanDvorak got a manual script based on it

Unihedron

3:01 PM

:O (Gasp!!)

Stijn

@Unihedron where've you been living :P

Shadow Wizard

dunno why the "real" bots aren't using it, guess for a good reason

Ben Collins

@Unihedron can't tell if you're trolling or not ;-)

Unihedron

Srry imma nub

Ben Collins

here, use this: api.stackexchange.com/docs/…

Vogel612

3:02 PM

@Unihedron it's even in version 2.0...

and 1.0 is deprecated IIRC

Ben Collins

2.2, actually

there's a throttle, but it's pretty generous. plenty generous for smokedetector

Unihedron

:))

Shadow Wizard

@Ben well, the anti spam headquarters are in this room, so feel free to ask in there:

user202362

If there is toString method in java & C#, why isn't a fromString method that restore objects from strings?

Shadow Wizard

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

18

80

Unihedron

3:03 PM

@chmod711telkitty toString doesn't always provide all stateful information

For example, when .toString() -ing an int array, the hashCode() is returned, which doesn't bring in what are in the fields, etc

Not to mention parsing a string isn't always very trusty, with encoding, serialization and all that

Vogel612

@Unihedron well for that java has Collections.toString(array);

Bart

@Unihedron but like, you programmers can still hack it and figure it out, right?

Unihedron

@Bart reflection yes, but that's outside toString() - you have to hack backdoors with getClass().getAllFields() -> .setAccessible() >> .get()

and different for C# once more

Sam

In C# it's .ToString(); (pascalcase).

Bart

@Unihedron Great, great ... can you fix my computer?

2

Unihedron

3:05 PM

@Bart Fedex it

Vogel612

@Bart stop trolling, will ya?

me how

0

Q: Should I answer "is it possible?" type of questions?

There are many questions on site which actually ask: "is it possible?" which are usually followed by "OK, great so how do I do that?" in the comments section. Those automatically raise a "help-vampire" alert. As far as answering the original question goes you can: "yes, it's possible. You can d...

Unihedron

@mehow Favourited. One of my concerns too, hopefully not a duplicate.

Bart

@Vogel612 trolling? Me? I'd never.

2

Unihedron

@Sam Thanks. Does .ToString() in C# return stateful information?

Shadow Wizard

3:07 PM

@chmod711telkitty there is. Known as Deserialization. :)

me how

@Unihedron thanks. I spend a good few hours and havent seen a duplicate that's why I finally asked

Unihedron

@ShadowWizard I think serialization in Java is directly converting the object into bytes with the .serialize() and Type.deserialize(object) to decode the bytes, but not related with toString().

Sam

@Unihedron It only returns the object's string representation, which varies with whatever the object is.

Unihedron

Not sure about C# though.

@Sam Cool, thanks, so Java is very similar to C#. Except again, C# is better. :)

Vogel612

well the default .toString() in java is just return obj.getClass().getSimpleName() + "@" + obj.hashCode();

Sam

3:09 PM

@Unihedron Anytime :D

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedron well, every class would have to do it in its own way, but it is doable

Unihedron

@ShadowWizard Hey, your idea's very intriguing, but I think I get it now:

class Pair {
  int x, y;
  Pair(int a, int b) { x = a; y = b;}
  String toString() { /* encode? */}
  Pair fromString(String str) { /* decode? */}
}

o/

\o

o/

\o

3:13 PM

o/

Sam

\o

Unihedron

\o/

lostsock

I remember back in the day when only one train a day ran through the tavern

Braiam

o|

Vogel612

o|-

Sam

3:15 PM

-=|o|=-

rene

\\o

TGMCians

o//

Shadow Wizard

public override string ToString()
{
return string.Format("{0},{1}", this.x, this.y);
}

public static Pair FromString(string str)
{
string[] temp = str.Split(',');
//validation better be here.....
return new Pair(Int32.Parse(temp[0]), Int32.Parse(temp[1]));
}

that's C# ^

Unihedron

In Java a similar implementation:

String toString() {
  return x + "," + y;
}
Pair fromString(String str) {
  Pair pair = new Pair();
  final String[] strs = str.split("\\|");
  pair.x = Integer.parseInt(strs[2]);
  pair.y = Integer.parseInt(strs[1]);
  return pair;
}

But yes, that's because we specify toString() to return stateful information and we can recover it.. If the class does not already follow the design (for example, if you pick up code from the apache library), you wouldn't be able to do this otherwise

rene

I'm confused, I got the mortarboard badge....

On MSO...

yesterday...

Vogel612

3:24 PM

@rene wut?

bluefeet

@rene why confused?

Unihedron

If you earn 200 rep on the main site and cap off and visit meta, you get the badge.

^ In that order.

Sam

@ProgramFOX @jcolebrand Wb.

Stijn

15

A: "Mortarboard" continues to be awarded

Badges can be awarded on child metas. And are. In this case, though there is no associated reputation, the aggregate scores are what's giving these badges out (so, 20 upvotes on answers, for instance, which would on a main site equate to 200 reputation, would award one a mortarboard on the first...

ProgramFOX

Afternoon!

rene

3:25 PM

@bluefeet I got 16 upvotes and an accept and -18

TGMCians

Afternoon!

bluefeet

@Unihedron yeah, that isn't correct -- meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251249/…

Unihedron

@bluefeet oh??

i'm confused now..

bluefeet

@Unihedron it has nothing to do with the main site

it's awarded based on the votes on meta

Bart

Votes are basically interpreted back to rep and that gets you the badge. But not the rep.

Unihedron

3:28 PM

Oh I see.

I should stop assuming how the system works.

lostsock

@rene but how would you know if older questions/answers were voted up on?

bluefeet

@Unihedron yes, yes you should

Unihedron

@rene -18, alas!

Bart

Nah @Unihedron, who cares about facts. Gut feeling is all that counts.

4

Unihedron

It's hard to make up your mind here on the Tavern..

rene

3:29 PM

Ah, I see where it comes from, +17 votes on an answer and -25/+7 on my epic answer on the question of @Unihedron

TGMCians

link please again

Unihedron

It was legendary. You deserve a gold badge for that.

> meta.stackoverflow.com/a/270852/3622940

rene

this (-25+7) and this (+17)

Sam

-26

rene

WHAT!

I'll downvote all your answers on Meta!

lostsock

3:32 PM

70 - 50 + 170 + 15 = ?

Bart

Pff the OP of that answer is clueless.

lol that wasn't me.

hiya @Undo

hiya

welcome @Undo!

3:33 PM

hiya

ProgramFOX

hiya!

rene

@Bart I agree

lostsock

@undo came to advertise his MSE post

Undo

I... feel like a new user coming in here, for some reason :P

Unihedron

we were walking about adding spam filters for site exclusions if you approve, @Undo

4 hours ago, by Unihedron

Proposal: catch "weight loss" for spam on non-fitness.SE sites.

Undo

3:34 PM

@Unihedron We tried something like that once.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Jul 1 at 15:06, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] anti-aging spam: large body width without horizontal scrollbar on stackoverflow.com

but yeah, we could probably do it better

Unihedron

oh...

Undo

Give me a regex, and I'll test it on some data dumps and stuff.

We can do the site exclusions.

Unihedron

Got it! I'll put together something when I can. You (and the other collabs) can look at it then.

ProgramFOX

I think "muscle" is a less common word for non-spam than "body" (so we could use that); I'm checking it now with the full SE search function but it seems like it's going to take some time :P

Unihedron

I'll tell ya a secret..

Sam

3:36 PM

Give a man a Regex, and he'll parse html for the day, teach a man to Regex and he'll battle Zalgo for the rest of his life.

8

Unihedron

in Secrets, 8 secs ago, by Unihedron

I actually don't know how to write SQL.

ProgramFOX

Nevermind, I got many non-spam "muscle" results when searching for it in Google...

Unihedron

Mmm, delicious muscle, helps building the website.

rene

My next javascript library will be called muscle

3

Braiam

►

funny

Unihedron

3:42 PM

help pls what' swrong?? data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/223406

Braiam

@Unihedron just check this out stackoverflow.com/search?q=muscle+building+is%3Aq

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron You run your query on StackOverflow (where there are no muscle questions). I don't think there is a way to run a query network-wide.

Unihedron

Oh. Is there a way to specify the whole word in the search dialogue (aka "muscle building" on google)?

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron "muscle building" site:*.stackexchange.com in Google.

Unihedron

this makes me convinced that muscle building questions are only found on fitness.SE... anywhere else and it's spam

Sam

3:46 PM

status-studies-completed

Unihedron

btw it's powered by google

Braiam

> powered by Google

rene

@Unihedron you did but this only returns 3 records

I tried it with muscle

Unihedron

oh I see

Conclusion: muscle building outside fitness.SE is pretty much spam-guarranteed'...

rene

Yes and based on @Braiam tip: this proves that as well

(just click the advanced search tips link next to the seach button to get more info)

Unihedron

3:53 PM

primarily opinion based?.. poker.stackexchange.com/q/4190/1728

Vogel612

fingers itching to edit that numbered list..

Braiam

@Unihedron I would say off topic

asking for one-on-one coaching

Unihedron

I checked the help center. Anything that has to do with poker is on-topic for poker.SE, sadly.

rene

it reads as a rant though....

Braiam

@Unihedron that's the problem with saying "anything", is not specific enough

rene

3:56 PM

Lady Gaga questions are on-topic....Poker Face.

Unihedron

Depression is when your suggested edit has been rejected but you can't understand the reject message...

> pt.stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17131

rene

@Unihedron too minor

Sam

Chrome can't translate it either lol

Unihedron

oh.

Braiam

@Unihedron too minor

Unihedron

4:00 PM

thanks @rene @Sam @Braiam

Braiam

@mehow there you go meta.stackoverflow.com/a/270939/792066

must. resist. +200. in. the. top. bar!

Sam

@Unihedron If you're interested in Google Translate's version...

> Editing is insufficient; editing suggestions need to significantly improve the posting, solving the various problems she may have.

Braiam

@Sam yes, we need to fix her

FOX 9000

Bot started.

Vogel612

@FOX9000 you seem to be wrong here...

ProgramFOX

4:04 PM

>>help

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands

ProgramFOX

@Vogel612 ^ Really? :P

Vogel612

>>listcommands

FOX 9000

@Vogel612 Commands: translationswitch, randomint, random, shuffle, help, translationchain, randomchoice, translate, listcommands

Vogel612

>>help translationswitch

Unihedron

4:04 PM

>>shuffle H e l l o W o r l d !

FOX 9000

@Vogel612 Not enough arguments.

@Unihedron Command contains invalid characters.

Sam

@ProgramFOX No sudo?

Unihedron

>>shuffle H e l l o W o r l d

FOX 9000

@Unihedron l o W d H l o e l r

Unihedron

>>ban Sam

Vogel612

4:05 PM

>>help translationswitch

FOX 9000

@Unihedron You don't have the privilege to execute this command.

@Vogel612 I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands

Unihedron

>>voteban Sam

FOX 9000

@Unihedron Command not found.

Vogel612

>>sudo ban Sam

ProgramFOX

(note: avoid too much use of translationswitch and translationchain. They are expensive commands and slow down other messages)

FOX 9000

4:05 PM

@Vogel612 Command not found.

Sam

How nice :P

Vogel612

@ProgramFOX what is translationswitch??

Unihedron

>>translationchain 10 ok

FOX 9000

@Unihedron Not enough arguments.

Unihedron

>>translationchain en 10 ok

FOX 9000

4:06 PM

@Unihedron Invalid arguments.

ProgramFOX

@Vogel612 It's what you asked; the translationchain but with two languages.

Vogel612

>>translationchain de en 10 "Danke das reicht"

FOX 9000

@Vogel612 Invalid arguments.

rene

@ProgramFOX your laptop doesn't scale?

ProgramFOX

First the amount of translations, then the languages, then the text. Quotes are not necessary.

Unihedron

4:07 PM

>>translatechain 10 auto hello world!!!

FOX 9000

@Unihedron Command not found.

Unihedron

>>translationchain 10 auto hello world!!!

ProgramFOX

@rene They are not expensive for my laptop, but as many messages are sent, other messages that should be posted at the same time might not be posted, which is annoying because the bot also runs in the Den.

FOX 9000

@Unihedron Language not in list. If the language is supported, ping ProgramFOX and he will add it.

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron You forgot the second langauge...

Vogel612

4:08 PM

>>translationchain 10 de en "Danke das reicht"

Unihedron

Feature request: alias for commands

FOX 9000

@Vogel612 Translation chain started. Translation made by Google Translate. Some messages in the chain might not be posted due to a reason I don't know.

Translate de-el: " Σας ευχαριστώ , αυτό είναι αρκετό "

Translate el-te: " తగినంత అని , ధన్యవాదాలు "

Translate te-gl: "Isto é o suficiente, grazas"

Vogel612

> due to a reason I don't know,

FOX 9000

Translate gl-mi: " E nui , whakawhetai ki a koe "

Translate mi-ar: " انه امر رائع ، شكرا لك "

ProgramFOX

@Vogel612 Yes; it's not rate limiting. The logs say that it's posted, but it isn't...

FOX 9000

4:08 PM

Translate ne-fa: " این فوق العاده است ، از شما سپاسگزارم. "

Translate fa-it: " Questo è meraviglioso , grazie. "

Final translation result (id-en): " It's beautiful , thank you . "

Vogel612

almost...

Sam

Braiam

> Unfortunately, then you might face a problem worse than death:

Building code violations.

Unihedron

>>translate 10 fr en Ha

Vogel612

it's enough, thank you was the plan.

FOX 9000

4:09 PM

@Unihedron Language not in list. If the language is supported, ping ProgramFOX and he will add it.

Unihedron

>>translationchain 10 fr en Ha

FOX 9000

@Unihedron Translation chain started. Translation made by Google Translate. Some messages in the chain might not be posted due to a reason I don't know.

Vogel612

dafuq.

FOX 9000

Translate fr-sk: ha

Translate pt-cy: ha

Translate cy-ceb: ha

Translate ht-sq: ha

ProgramFOX

I think I'll limit use of the translationchain/translationswitch command; it's really expensive and using it for "Ha" is so useless...

FOX 9000

4:10 PM

Translate sq-bg: ха

Translate is-sv: hA

Final translation result (sv-en): hA

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX Is it possible to concatenate them into one string variable and print something multi-line?

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron Ohh... That's a great suggestion!

Vogel612

@Unihedron impractical for longer chains.

there actually is a character-limit for non-code chat messages.

ProgramFOX

Oh, right, max. 500 characters...

Vogel612

@ProgramFOX you should be able to circumvent it with fixed-font though..

ProgramFOX

4:12 PM

Does that work?

tests it in Sandbox

@Vogel612 You're right; though it might annoy some people to have such a long message in the room that fills up a lot of space.

Vogel612

@ProgramFOX code-blocks are collapsed...

Unihedron

^^^^^^^^^^^

ProgramFOX

@Vogel612 Just partially; if it's multiline, it will still fill up much space.

It shows up 22 lines before collapsing; this already fills up 50% of my screen.

Unihedron

What's your screen resolution?

ProgramFOX

1600x900

FOX 9000

4:23 PM

Bot started.

Louis

4:40 PM

cv-pls-duplicate stackoverflow.com/q/25726897/1906307

night

Good night @Jan!

night

night

Five-year-old spam anyone? stackoverflow.com/a/797475/1849664

Jan Dvorak

4:49 PM

@Undo ... how?

Undo

@JanDvorak link at the end

bluefeet

@Undo what spam?

Louis

@JanDvorak The hyperlink.

Unihedron

LOL

sneaky sneaky

Jan Dvorak

I mean, how did it survive up until now?

Undo

4:50 PM

no idea

saw it in the review queue

Louis

Spam is full of preservatives, that's how.

6

Jan Dvorak

gone

@Louis as in, condoms?

Louis

@JanDvorak Well, you can understand it like that if you want. :)

J. Musser

5:02 PM

hey

ProgramFOX

hey

Braiam

@Undo no more linkis elsewhere?

Undo

what?

Vogel612

Toodles!

I'm out for today.

J. Musser

cya!

ProgramFOX

5:04 PM

See you!

Sam

Bye!

Unihedron

Bye!

Braiam

@Undo if you search url:*linky.com doesn't show any other?

Undo

@Braiam already tried that, negative

Jan Dvorak

5:20 PM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239083/superb-muscle-building

Braiam

RH was made of several... yeah... several languages. Each piece of software that wasn't made already was created using awesomesauce. — Braiam Feb 5 at 2:25

Jan Dvorak

gone

Unihedron

My MSO post is on cb! :D

Sam

@Unihedron Congrats!

ProgramFOX

Nice!

Braiam

5:28 PM

@Unihedron meh, mine was on the CB for 4 days :P

Sam

@Braiam meh, I once managed to get two of mine on the cb at the same time :P

Andy

Oh yeah...I tied my own shoes this morning. I bet none of you can beat that.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ENGINE FAIL TO START on mechanics.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

sigh I really hate it if everything works fine if you try to reproduce an issue...

Sam

@Unihedron You know what? I've just thought, since it's on the cb rene's answer is gonna get more DV's lol

Unihedron

5:38 PM

+34/-2 on question, +9/-30 on rene's post..

Sam

+35/-2...

Unihedron

That's CB in a nutshell

Jan Dvorak

5:55 PM

vlq meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239085/…

Sumurai8

Hello aliens and the occasional other being

Unihedron

I wonder why Inf is not on..

Sumurai8

Is the VLQQ very slow for anyone else?

J. Musser

@Unihedron everyone needs a day off.

Unihedron

Very true.

Sam

5:58 PM

@Unihedron She's probably not in the mood. Anyway, it's not like there's a clause for this room saying, "you must visit everyday of your pathetic life". Oh wait...

J. Musser

Right now I want hichris

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 ^

J. Musser

He's a mod on Earth Science. And he's not on their chat right now.

And I want to ask him if a new GL question is a good match for his site. :)

@ProgramFOX I couldn't ping him for some reason.

Charcoal HQ

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