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bjb568

1763! cani haz cookie?

Jan Dvorak

36684, second try

Unihedron

i must beat yewwww

Jan Dvorak

I'll give you a 60-minute head-start

Unihedron

died

kk a small contest? :P

Jan Dvorak

4:07 PM

wait, no, just a 20-minute one

Unihedron

5 minutes is enough :P

kk I'll start

bjb568

-3

Q: Burninate specific event tags

onload, onload-event, onunload, onbeforeload, onbeforeunload, onbeforeprint, onchange, oncheckchange, onmouseover, onmouseout, onmousedown, onmouseup, onmousemove, onmouseclick, onclick, onclicklistener, ontouch, ontouchlistener, ontouchevent, onblur, onchange, onreadystatechange, onfocus, onkill...

^ Is this full of crap?

Santa Claus

Network profiles are broke stackexchange.com/users/2848444

> Profile information is temporarily unavailable

We are now writable in Oregon, we plan on testing there for another 10-20 minutes.

Tweeted by StackStatus on August 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Unihedron

@SantaClaus That's why we're gaming at Meta Stack Exchange chat

Jan Dvorak

I'm not. I'm watching a youtube video

bjb568

4:13 PM

@bjb568 No, I guess.

@JanDvorak Me too.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 I don't see a problem with those tags

bjb568

@SantaClaus They don't help with categorization. They are too specific. They should be in the title, not tags.

Braiam

DAFUQ?

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Then let me give you a list of every Objective-C (and swift) method to burninate while you're at it.

Unihedron

The elevator music is driving me nuts...

And stack exchange is offline

Jan Dvorak

4:17 PM

it's online enough for me to downvote bjb's burnination request

Santa Claus

Heh stackoverflow.com

Unihedron

I love their offline page.

bjb568

@SantaClaus That would be a separate meta post, but please do.

@Unihedron Have some help with your 3k…

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Just change your title to "Burninate every method and event name", so I can downvote it easier.

YESSSS READWRITE

bjb568

@SantaClaus But I don't want to burninate every method, some are broad enough and complicated enough to warrant their own tag.

Santa Claus

4:21 PM

@bjb568 How about CGPathAddArc?

bjb568

Ugh. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5555531

@SantaClaus What's that?

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Just some function

bjb568

@SantaClaus I'm not going to judge "just some function".

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Well you're trying to burninate just some events

Braiam

@SantaClaus you consider necessary having a tag for each and every event handler in JS?

bjb568

4:24 PM

@SantaClaus No, I'm burninating a very specific list of events that I have individually considered.

Santa Claus

@Braiam If there are enough questions about them, then sure.

bjb568

@SantaClaus There isn't.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 700 on one tag isn't enough?

Braiam

@SantaClaus about the event or about javascript?

bjb568

@SantaClaus Most of the problems are duplicates or not actually about the tag.

Santa Claus

4:26 PM

@Braiam the individual event tag

Braiam

@SantaClaus le sigh

bjb568

robo stackoverflow.com/users/308731/iceman?tab=activity

Unihedron

@bjb568 Tks! I hope you liked the answer as well.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 If they aren't about the tag, then remove the tag. But I don't see it as a big problem.

bjb568

@Unihedron It was a good answer.

@SantaClaus The problem is that the tag is absolutely useless.

Santa Claus

4:28 PM

@bjb568 Why?

> I mean… how does knowing that a question is about the onload listener help you at all? If you really wanted to, you could just search for onload.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 it's not

bjb568

robo stackoverflow.com/users/1624376/aubin?tab=activity

Santa Claus

You should just get rid of all tags then, since "you could just search" for them anyway

bjb568

@SantaClaus No, language (and lib) tags are good because people only know the langs they know. Concept tags are good because people are interested in concepts.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 But "you could just search"

Jan Dvorak

4:29 PM

handling click events is a concept

bjb568

@SantaClaus No, you can't search for javascript questions that aren't tagged javascript. There are no tools that do that.

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/25341703/792066

bjb568

@JanDvorak And a non-worthless tag. I didn't say to burninate click events.

Braiam

@JanDvorak there's the event-handling and event tag.... you need more fragmentation?

I think there are several *-event tags

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam why not?

@Braiam are there?

bjb568

4:31 PM

@JanDvorak You don't need fragmentation. It's not "why not", it's "why".

Santa Claus

@bjb568 But onclick is in your list, so you did say to burninate click events...

bjb568

robo stackoverflow.com/users/3249477/user3249477?tab=activity

@SantaClaus Mouse events is ok. Specifically onclick is not.

robo stackoverflow.com/users/683218/ting-l?tab=activity

Santa Claus

@bjb568 I don't see why mouse events are ok and onclick isn't.

bjb568

@SantaClaus Onclick is a specific event! We don't need specific events!

Unihedron

@JanDvorak 52324

bjb568

4:33 PM

Mouse events is an interesting concept with people in need and with people with expertise that deserves a tag.

@Unihedron :O

Santa Claus

@bjb568 mouse-down is a specific event too.

bjb568

@JanDvorak [cross-browser] [internet-explororer] [keyboard-events]. Done. — bjb568 10 mins ago

Unihedron

proof:

bjb568

^^^ Combination tags are also bad

user163250

1

Q: Remembering Michael Petrotta

My next-cube mate, friend, and incredibly active Stack Overflow user, Michael Petrotta died last week. If you care to share your thoughts about Michael's help with, and impact on, Stack Overflow to his family, I will make sure they get a link to this thread. Please forgive any breach of etique...

discussion

user163250

4:35 PM

Is this a joke?

Braiam

@JanDvorak events, javascript-events, mouse-event, addeventlistener (actually a DOM event that has a JS equivalent), keyboard-events, keyevent (wat), touch-event, ontouchevent, mouseclick-event, blablabla

Unihedron

@Cupcake I hope not.

Is it suddenly read-only again or did I break something?

Braiam

breaks @Unihedron to fix Stack Exchange

user163250

MSO down.

user163250

We are now moving operations back to New York.

Tweeted by StackStatus on August 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Unihedron

4:37 PM

Hexagon music: youtube.com/watch?v=afwK743PL2Y

Braiam

@Cupcake why moving my cheese so much!?!

bjb568

We're down!

Back to RO.

Runtime error!

Connection timeout!

hichris123

status-EEEEK

bjb568

RO.

Homepage server-side cacheing isn't working!

Fixed.

Unihedron

This is chaotic!

@Sam ping

bjb568

4:43 PM

Cache bug back!

(caching doesn't work with hot network questions either)

Unihedron

Doesn't load for me at all.

Never mind, it's back up to read-only

bjb568

SE is out of RO, subsites still RO.

Unihedron

good to hear

bjb568

SE homepage is caching correctly.

Unihedron

It's back up

Wow answers were ready, just waiting all for site to come back in write mode. — user3218114 39 mins ago

-_-

SmokeDetector

4:47 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started (@Undo)

bjb568

MSO is back!

Unihedron

Heap heap array! Array!

bjb568

Everything normal.

Unihedron

But then suddenly... Bah dum tsh!

Braiam

yeah... log me in when the page is in RO

Unihedron

4:48 PM

(Explosion)

hichris123

@Cupcake ... I hope so. Because he was a wonderful contributor.

We are now running the sites out of New York again, ramping down the test.

Tweeted by StackStatus on August 16, 2014 at 4:48 PM

bjb568

@Cupcake Deleted. What happened?

Unihedron

It must have been a bad joke...

hichris123

> voluntarily removed by its author

Unihedron

What now?

bjb568

4:50 PM

There was a comment by OP. What does it say?

Tim Stone

> I'm sorry about this. I asked a moderate if it was appropriate and got a yes, but I will take this question down. Again, my apologies.

user163250

A troll, or for real?

Tim Stone

There is, unfortunately, an obituary listing for him.

Braiam

@TimStone :(

bjb568

What'd he die of?

user163250

4:52 PM

Wow, that is sad.

user163250

Still pretty young too.

Unihedron

?!?!?!!?!!?

hichris123

@TimStone Aww. :(

user163250

The timestamp on his SO profile was updated 2 days ago though:

user163250

Michael Petrotta, Portland, OR

35.8k 9 82 130

c# .net sql-server sql java asp.net vb.net

hichris123

4:54 PM

> published in The Oregonian 8/16

Which is today.

bjb568

@Cupcake Maybe the computer was sleeping, and when the mouse was jiggled it loaded an SO page.

user163250

> My next-cube mate, friend, and incredibly active Stack Overflow user, Michael Petrotta died last week.

user163250

All very confusing.

Unihedron

Last week?

user163250

@bjb568 maybe.

Unihedron

4:56 PM

It takes a full week to classify a death notice, right?

Braiam

Verizon haters, more to hate arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/08/…

Unihedron

@Braiam Eww, verizon!

Sam

@Unihedron Ping acknowledged.

user163250

5:12 PM

cv-plz duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/21669722/…

Sam

5:23 PM

Seriously?!

Unihedron

What you mean?

WAF?

Sam

I'll try uploading again...

WTH?

user163250

Link?

Sam

Here.

user163250

Also, is something up with SEDE?

user163250

5:25 PM

It keeps giving me back 0 rows for my query all of a sudden.

Unihedron

@Sam That's an image link, not really the post link. :p

user163250

^

Unihedron

@Cupcake Maybe you already won against plagarism?

Sam

If it get's deleted then <10K users can't see it.

Here's the review anyway.

user163250

@Unihedron Never mind, found the problem :P

Unihedron

5:27 PM

@Sam Cupcake > 10k

Sam

You're <10K.

Braiam

more stackoverflow.com/a/25341891/792066

Unihedron

4 mins ago, by Cupcake

Link?

user163250

Start using spam flags.

user163250

This is abuse.

user163250

5:30 PM

Well, no, I guess very low quality?

Unihedron

Very, very low quality!

user163250

Spam flags.

user163250

The first answer was a spam link.

user163250

It's a spammer.

user163250

Unihedron

5:32 PM

He has many puppet accounts.

Sam

@Unihedron I'm not sure if they're all genuine puppet accounts. Possibly this one and this one, even then we can't be sure.

Unihedron

When in doubt flag it out

Sam

Both accounts created in under 30 mins, and with the same name...

bjb568

Where's the main account?

hichris123

0

A: Can you "compile" PHP code?

Several compilers are available online. click to see detailed answer here

^ SPAM?

Sam

5:41 PM

@Unihedron You mean...

bjb568

@hichris123 Flagged spam.

Unihedron

Spam flagged.

Ooo I earned Outspoken on MSE

@hichris123 The guy's account on drupal's pretty poor too. Both answers he has are NAA

bjb568

cv stackoverflow.com/q/19691566/2371861

@Unihedron Those aren't NAA! They're SPAM!

(ugh, can't flag spam after VLQ)

Unihedron

@bjb568 OMG! SPAM! SPAMMERS EVERYWHERE!!!

bjb568

cv stackoverflow.com/q/25333425/2371861

animuson

5:51 PM

5

^ Lol

Unihedron

xkcd reference? You're the best.

Jan Dvorak

the screenshot is 666px wide, is that deliberate?

Braiam

@JanDvorak no, thats coincidence, the deliberate one is 666 objects

bjb568

@animuson You should edit the third comment so it doesn't look weird.

animuson

Oh right. I explicitly wanted to decline the flag on it beforehand, because editing will dismiss it as helpful.

TGMCians

5:55 PM

\o

Unihedron

o/

user163250

cv-plz duplicate meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/268958/…

user163250

Who removed the comment on that thing?

bjb568

@Cupcake poof

user163250

Done.

user163250

6:01 PM

7

Q: Remembering Michael Petrotta

My next-cube mate, friend, and incredibly active Stack Overflow user, Michael Petrotta died last week. If you care to share your thoughts about Michael's help with, and impact on, Stack Overflow to his family, I will make sure they get a link to this thread. Please forgive any breach of etique...

discussion

bjb568

@Cupcake inb4 "cv-pls"

Unihedron

Please take a tour. Also, we are not a forum, tune down the noise. — Unihedron 6 secs ago

It's a recommendation question too.

iStimple

flag queue seems to be backed up again

user163250

@bjb568 anyone who closes that is an insensitive douche.

Jan Dvorak

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak

!!should I be an insensitive douche

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 14 secs ago, by Caprica Six

@JanDvorak All signs point to yes

vot3d

bjb568

6:08 PM

@Cupcake s/douche/clod

If it were on MSE, I would consider it abuse of the reputation system. But MSO, meeeeh… ahhhhh… Whatever, I can deal with it.

robo stackoverflow.com/users/120898/andrew?tab=activity

iStimple

6:24 PM

@Cupcake it was removed?

Unihedron

@iStimple Voluntarily removed by author.

user163250

^

bjb568

… undelete?

Unihedron

@bjb568 Undeleted by moderator.

user163250

Deleted by moderator.

Sam

6:27 PM

> Folks, I feel incredibly awkward and uncomfortable about this entire post. It seems to be turning more positive now, but two of the early comments led me to remove the post. For me, right now, this is too overwhelming and I'd rather have my anonymity and privacy back. If someone else wants to start this up again, please do so, but for me, I'd like the post removed. I know I started it but ask for your help in taking it back. – erik.j.johnson

I'd probably leave it deleted.

TGMCians

> Page Not Found. This question was removed from Meta Stack Overflow for reasons of moderation.

iStimple

4

Q: Did a baboon work for a South African railroad?

This image is circulating on Facebook (at least among my South African friends). It strikes me as somewhere between an extraordinary claim and a completely vague claim. To what extent, if any, is this story true? The image reads: During the late 1800s a baboon named Jack was employed by th...

animals south-africa cape-town railroads

user163250

cv-plz duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/21620357/…

Infinite Recursion

Mods, please lock this, OP is repeated vandalizing. Many users rolled back. I flagged it too.

-19

Q: On the closing of a particular question

I would like to reopen the question titled "How can I make voronoi treemaps?" at How can I make voronoi treemaps? (I may not edit the question because there is nothing wrong with the wording. And I cannot flag it for moderation, because I want to write more than 500 characters in the box. It sho...

feature-request

Thanks.

user163250

Can anyone grab a screenshot of this? aspdotnetuncle.blogspot.com/2014/06/…

iStimple

6:43 PM

@InfiniteRecursion "I propose that anyone who erroneously closes a question, should lose all his or her points (reputation)."

Jan Dvorak

damn it, I didn't downvote in time

animuson

@JanDvorak It'll unlock in a day. :P

Unihedron

user163250

@Unihedron Thank you.

Unihedron

Anytime.

Not anytime too soon though, it's 3 in the morning, I'm going to go now. Bye!

user163250

6:46 PM

@Unihedron go to bed!

Unihedron

@Cupcake will do!

animuson

Nope. He's already given you a beeper and now whenever he needs something, you'll hear that annoying buzzing noise.

iStimple

@Unihedron wait, did you brush your teeth?

Infinite Recursion

Yes @iStimple. That's why I am at 2k since last 8 months. I don't want to reach 3k and lose all my rep by casting erroneous close votes :D

2k was in my first month on SO

iStimple

@InfiniteRecursion It'd be a good thing, no one would be over 3k for long, and Skeet would have 700k. Just like it's suppose to be

animuson

6:51 PM

@Cupcake How much damage do you think you guys have done to that Vignesh fellow?

Infinite Recursion

Yes, thanks to you @iStimple, I am finally able to comprehend the brilliance of that feature request. Will upvote as soon as it gets unlocked.

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion lies

user163250

@animuson I've gone through about half of his answers. Should I stop?

animuson

user163250

@animuson all unearned, stolen rep.

iStimple

6:52 PM

too many users named vignesh

bjb568

cv stackoverflow.com/q/25342670/2371861

Infinite Recursion

@Jan: Shh...Birds don't reveal each other's secrets

user163250

@animuson I don't see that by the way, that's a mod view, right?

animuson

Yeah. We see removed posts in the history.

For a regular user, all those events would just disappear like nothing was ever there.

Infinite Recursion

why are you guys discussing users in open? What happened to the diamond room? @Cupcake and @anim

user163250

6:54 PM

@animuson started it.

user163250

But yeah, there's a private room if you want to discuss it there.

Infinite Recursion

Am I the only one who speaks to the walls in the diamond room :/

user163250

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16452/plagiarism-fighting

animuson

@InfiniteRecursion It's ok, we won't tell anyone.

user163250

@InfiniteRecursion ping someone to get attention.

Infinite Recursion

6:55 PM

Ok sure

animuson

Those white walls are very pretty and clean, aren't they?

iStimple

@InfiniteRecursion because it's fucking rude to talk behind peoples back

Infinite Recursion

yes, like a sanitization lab

user163250

Shhhhh, no one tell iStimple that all we do is talk shit about him in the Plagiarism room...

iStimple

@Cupcake lies, i'm too boring , thus invincible to that

Infinite Recursion

6:59 PM

@@iStimple: It isn't as much fun as you would imagine. We all wish it was :D

user163250

I just found someone else plagiarizing off of another plagiarizer again :P

user163250

Or maybe they both plagiarized off of someone else?

Infinite Recursion

We have to write a query to see how much of BaluC's content has been plagiarised.

iStimple

@InfiniteRecursion @Cupcake already did, but it times out for most users

user163250

@iStimple yeah, it's not very good :P

Infinite Recursion

7:04 PM

Ok, will check then :)

After the top users stopped contributing, their tags are surviving by plagiarizing their older posts and earlier contributions

user163250

@InfiniteRecursion hmm?

user163250

-1

A: Enable Optional Anonymous Reasons for Downvotes on Questions

I understand a need for downvotes being anonymous. However, I think reason for downvote should be mandatory with no canned choices offered, at least 20 (or some other number) characters required.

user163250

asdfgasdfgasdfgasdfg — Jan Dvorak 10 secs ago

user163250

^ I guess that's one way to make a point :P

Jan Dvorak

edited. Should I edit back?

asdfgasdfgasdfgasdfg (translated: I'm not telling you my reasons no matter how hard you try to force me) — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago

Pops

7:08 PM

Nah, it's better with the parenthetical.

user163250

@Pops not quite as funny though.

Infinite Recursion

Inactive high rep users' posts are being more blatantly plagiarised. They are high quality posts and get upvoted easily, hence plagiarizers prefer to copy those @cupcake

Jan Dvorak

We're not here for fun

Unihedron

@iSt I did between when I took the screenshot and when I said I was going to sleep, don't worry!

user163250

@InfiniteRecursion I don't think the fact that the user is high-rep matters, only that the answer is upvoted.

user163250

7:10 PM

Which, by the way, is actually a useful filter criteria, thanks for the idea! ;)

Unihedron

shortcake evolutes again?

Infinite Recursion

:)

I posted one more naive idea in the diamond room. Not sure if it would be useful :/

Ok, signing off now, bye

user163250

@iStimple don't flag things and link to the search queries, flag each answer individually.

user163250

@InfiniteRecursion later!

iStimple

@Cupcake what? but @Jan said...

user163250

7:16 PM

Animuson just mentioned it.

iStimple

Ok, will do individually now. More flags for me!

Infinite Recursion

@iSt: Don't listen to birds who keep their beaks straight.

Braiam

imagines @Cupcake hunting plagiarizers with this theme

user163250

@Braiam so creepy! :P

Braiam

7:41 PM

@Cupcake that's the expected emotion

user163250

8:10 PM

@iStimple want to join the anti-plagiarism party?

user163250

@tchrist some of us are having an anti-plagiarism party in another room if you'd like to join us.

Braiam

8:48 PM

> No idea who Shog is. Sounds like a name for a troll.

4

hichris123

8:59 PM

@Braiam link?

Braiam

@hichris123 context -> chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/17186202#17186202

user163250

9:16 PM

cv-plz duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/21873223/…

user163250

cv-plz duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/21847762/…

hichris123

0

Q: Tool recommendation questions are useful, especially when the tool is standard

I think the greatest service StackOverflow has provided is that if you google a question and see an SO question in the top few results, you think, "Phew, there is an answer to this." You certainly will pick it not only over Yahoo answers, but over any of the beginner Java development fora, rival ...

discussion questions off-topic

Jan Dvorak

OFF ux.stackexchange.com/questions/63149/bob-bob-bob-bob

hichris123

Hi Bob!

Jan Dvorak

let me get this clear: the tanks and ASCII figures this guy promises are abusive, rite?

hichris123

9:27 PM

Yes?

However, I don't see any tanks...

Flag: ux.stackexchange.com/questions/63149/…

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 no need to. It will die with the question

hichris123

@JanDvorak Sure - but you can kill it (possibly) before the question.

Jan Dvorak

that guy should learn some anatomy 101, though

hichris123

Yeah, the comment is already dead.

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 unlikely, unless it matches one of the single-shot regexes

@hichris123 is it? how? or rather, how did it survive a flag, but it didn't need as many flags as the question itself?

hichris123

9:31 PM

@JanDvorak I'm not sure.

Question is dead too.

Jan Dvorak

that guy still needs lessons in anatomy, though

hichris123

OFFENSIVE: ux.stackexchange.com/questions/63148/…

OFFENSIVE: ux.stackexchange.com/questions/63145/…

Jan Dvorak

which user pages have websockets attached?

neither of those I tried does

Jan Dvorak

9:53 PM

nite

Sam

Night.

hichris123

nighty night

ThiefMaster

@hichris123 what?

@hichris123 same for that one, how is it offensive?

bjb568

Abusive user: stackoverflow.com/users/3141903/i-bajwa

@ThiefMaster I agree. Those are just LQ.

Jan Dvorak

@ThiefMaster the deleted answers are

animuson

10:07 PM

@bjb568 Some fireworks going to fly on that account.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 wait, why?

animuson

stackoverflow.com/users/3141903/i-bajwa?tab=reputation Heh

Sam

Night all.

animuson

When a user is suspended, they should add a jail bars overlay for their avatar wherever it appears.

7

Jan Dvorak

A noose would be more literal

animuson

10:23 PM

I also topped it off with a 30-day review ban just in case.

No one ever actually puts the sugar on top.

hichris123

@ThiefMaster I linked to answers, not the question. The answers were all offensive, but they're now deleted.

hichris123

11:16 PM

0

Q: How can I connect an external hard drive to a Windows 95 computer?

I have an old Windows 95 computer at home. It's a Dell Dimension XPS D266. I've decided to get rid of it, but first I want to get all of the data off of it. It has a 16 GB hard drive, and I have a new 3 TB external hard drive that I thought I could connect to it. The external hard drive is a West...

usb external-hard-drive data-transfer windows-95

bjb568

11:36 PM

in Please don't approve minor or invalid edits on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Noah

I am fully guilty of this, didn't realize that minor edits were discouraged

^ Ugh

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