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12:44 AM

Crap answers

@hichris123 Now I'm curious...

@AstroCB Might be reverse psychology or something.

1:02 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/17931173/…

> similarities between software patents and chefs cooking food

That was the title.

I know. I meant the post body.

Uhm... @animuson screenshot plz?

sidenote: I need 10k

Screenshot of what?

@animuson stackoverflow.com/questions/20798048/…

1:06 AM

delete stackoverflow.com/questions/811274/…

burn stackoverflow.com/questions/24554462/…

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@KenWhite I agree with you but it is so important for all software developer that I think we need to discuss about it in a programming forum. I thin it would effect anybody who is writing software. — mans Jul 3 at 13:12

no

@AstroCB I think he concluded that since somebody answered his question in a comment, it therefore wasn't a bad question - and he was being snarky about the -1. Which is precisely why we shouldn't answer bad questions.

@animuson I don't understand why that was closed. It seems both on-topic and completely reasonable to me.

@animuson So, about half of it is useless meta info, and the rest has to do with food...

1:10 AM

@Jamal Pretty much.

Well, programmers do have to eat food, so I agree that it's not entirely off-topic.

@Jamal It's totally 'tools commonly used by programmers'!

@Jamal Actually, I have an IV station next to my desk.

Go flag stuff on Ask Patents. Like now. :P

It's a constant stream of sodium, potassium, water, and caffeine. And bacon grease in the morning.

1:14 AM

@animuson Should I be eager to see the OP bring up this deletion on Meta?

Considering it's almost a year old and had no votes, I doubt he'll even notice it got deleted.

However, I have been cleaning out our suspicious votes list a bit.

True

Uh

If I could actually identify that number, wouldn't that prove I'm something definitely not human?

@Jamal From his profile stackoverflow.com/users/1028958/stephen-j :

> The mods needs to leave open patent questions. It is ridiculous that you say it has nothing to do with the software industry. Closing patent questions on the place where programmers meet is like shoving rotten food under the carpet.

wut

Lol

Last seen two days ago so not a response to this one. I bet he'll notice, though.

1:21 AM

Wait, so everything about the software industry belongs on SO?

He probably changed it back when he actually asked that question, considering the question itself complained about them being closed.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why did Drax call Gamora a whore? on scifi.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector It's done with edits?

(with no changes to the title)

@SmokeDetector @hichris123 Maybe a "This question is OK, permanently ignore it" feature?

Er, I feel like I said that to you already once before and you may have even responded. Sorry if so. Ignore me. :S

Braiam

@JasonC don't worry, as long a you don't make @hichris123 ignore you, you can ping him as many times you want ;)

1:30 AM

@Braiam Oh, OK. @hichris123

Braiam

so, what's up @JasonC? @hichris123

@Braiam Not much; just contemplating what's more amusing: Ending every chat line with @hichris123, or with @animuson

Maybe @hichris123 can be our question mark and @animuson can be an exclamation point @hichris123

This isn't American Dad. We're not renaming periods to Steves, or any other punctuation for that matter.

You could always be a letter.

WTH, POB? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/268187/2371861

1:37 AM

There's 19 other "Jason C"'s on SO :(

@bjb568 Who closes tag cleanup/burninate requests as "opinion based"... o.O

CVs on meta should require more rep or something.

user163250

2:13 AM

This guy has anger and discussion issues: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/268238/…

A: Adding an element in a 2-dimentional array

-2

It is not possible. But anything is possible, so it is a paradox.

user163250

A mod might want to consider shutting that post down if it starts to really get out of hand.

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@Jamal that guy again :P

user163250

He actually got his account deleted before.

user163250

He was doing some weird stuff in the C++ chat room.

2:18 AM

@MatthewLundberg The world is real no matter how I seek my education. But to ride off your humor... In the real world you get your donkey beat for snidely sarcastic remarks. — MansaMusa 20 mins ago

Yeah, that post could use a lock and a cleaning now.

user163250

I flagged it for deletion.

user163250

The all caps everywhere are ridiculous.

user163250

@Cupcake And the OP has exactly the attitude that will make SOA a beautiful place. — Jason C 27 secs ago

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@JasonC you couldn't just make that comment to me privately here in chat?

user163250

The guy is a lost cause, but no reason to go and rub it in his face like that.

2:27 AM

Oh, I wasn't joking.

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@JasonC I very well know you weren't :P

@Cupcake I can't make sense of his response. But I removed my comment. :P

@JasonC Yes. This is very entertaining. :-/ — MansaMusa 2 mins ago

And flagged that question asking for a delete, or at least a big time comment cleanup (although it's not a very useful question).

user163250

@JasonC he keeps changing it, so I agree, it's definitely not a useful question.

user163250

Also, thank you.

user163250

He was just an all around weirdo.

2:39 AM

:2295379 I was trying to think of something rude to say about sprinkles and icing but couldn't, so I'm actually relieved you removed that.

Question updated again, and this time with markdown tags in the title.

Oh, and now he's mentioned Cupcake in the post. It really needs a lock or a deletion now.

@JasonC: Just rollback that post to Cupcake's latest revision.

cv-plz on that question; IMO it "does not attempt to seek input and discussion", as evidenced by continuously arguing and not paying attention to Bill's good answer.

@Jamal Done; good call.

And he edited again with some comment about "control freaks".

I'm not even going to give him the dignity of another rollback.

@animuson Thanks.

Yay!

@Cupcake His website is fairly intense.

2:55 AM

@JasonC MDN example SVG, Codecademy project...

I am getting close to 6,000 trophies. ^_^

The whole thing is in one big frame.

By FSM! Support needs support now?!

how much better is great support than good support?

@Undo Quantitatively speaking, I'd imagine it is "way better".

3:03 AM

@Undo $80 probably.

I don't get what the 14¢ is for...

@bjb568 Base rate for "bad support" is 14 cents.

Clearly those options should go Great > Ultra > Master...

@JasonC What if I buy 100 Bad Supports? Does that get to about half of a good support?

@Undo No that gets you about 63% of the way from good to great.

Which I guess is "groot".

So I would get... let's see... hybrid good-great... goat support?

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3:07 AM

Lol

And therefore, 100 * bad = goat.

Goat Support® Feeding the needy goats.

Conversely, it's bad to divide a goat by 100.

The Tavern: Perfecting Goat Math since...

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1937

@JasonC Bad People Support® Feeding the needy jailbirds with goats.

One CV... stackoverflow.com/q/141247/2371861

Bird Support® Feeding the jailbirds with help on their eating problems.

Feeding Support® Wait wat?

3:12 AM

Bird Support® Feeding the nerdy goats with jailbait

Brort® Feedy boats

Bats

Help

Bat Support® Jailbreaking nearly nerdy goats' support-fed phones since 1937

what have I started

Lol, feedy boats. I need to step away from the computer.

Nerds® Supporting goat farts since 1937

Oats® Nerding jailgorts since 3917

Star farmers® STAAAAAAARS!

3:20 AM

SO MANY PINGS!

And goats.

...at least it wasn't cows.

@JasonC This is an interesting line of code. :P github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/ws.py#L44

return False # Don't repost. Reddit will hate you.

Sooo... all I can say is @JasonC: Manish was supposed to work on that. I think he's been pretty busy. I'll probably work on it eventually... (6-8 weeks).

I'd like to have it output to MySQL/SQLite... which would help a ton.

3:49 AM

@hichris123 Haha; it's got a point, though.

I hope nobody looks at our star list and gets the wrong idea.

Tavern on the Meta: Where goats happen

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We need to make a "goats happen" bumper sticker. We can get funding on kickstarter...

2

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@JasonC terrifying.

3:53 AM

@bjb568 Dude

I buried a goat yesterday

user163250

cv-plz recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/25224759/…

also a bad answer there

user163250

Be gentle, he's new.

@bjb568 @Shog9 can this be part of SOA's header graphic?

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3:54 AM

He's just 2 days old.

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@JasonC you can ping two people at once in chat?

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@bjb568 @JasonC testing.

Yes

You just noticed?

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@bjb568 :P

Q: Ask Patents needs a cleanup

4:00 AM

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Ask Patents has attracted a ton of low quality questions. Stuff like I am install softwayers,games,or many think. There's also a good number of duplicates. These questions should be closed, but they aren't. You can see by the amount of questions in /review. I'd like to figure out why this is ha...

user163250

I think someone is trying to get our attention:

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Q: procedure of preparing the solid pellet of cow urine

I think this is my favorite Ask Patents question so far:

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To, Respected sir/madam i was very happy to see vast benefits of mother cow,also the uses of cow urine pellets . but sir/madam i been working on the same project was not able to properly proportionate the amount and the quality of alcohols( CH3OH, CH3-(CH2)3-OH),ethyl acetate and hexane amount i...

us6410059

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@hichris123 the tag is hilarious.

@JasonC poke me for examples tomorrow. I'm on mobile and don't feel like finding any.

4:04 AM

@hichris123 Sure thing

user163250

This just keeps getting better and better...

user163250

lol

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I'm waiting for him to finish his program so that I can flag one of his posts and have him suspended.

user163250

Maybe I should just go ahead and flag now?

Q: Why hasn't this been commercialized?

4:06 AM

OK, two examples of crap @JasonC:

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Why hasn't this been brought to market? the demand is there.

licensing

@Cupcake Wth.

Q: new knee cushion implant with electronic wire applicationd I god

-1

Where would I go to get the new device knee Cushing device implanted. With a cushion between the knee bones and menscus patented in 2012 in the United States. I live in SC. Thanks Karen

patentability

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@JasonC I'm telling you, the guy's a weirdo.

user163250

@hichris123 lol

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"Here's where I live! BTW here's my name too! :D"

4:08 AM

@hichris123 Wow; these are terrible. I wish I could do more than just flag.

user163250

Wait a minute.

user163250

@hichris123 I just realized that this is about implants, not patents.

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<face-palm>

It almost seems like this site should never have made it out of beta.

Lol

4:09 AM

How do I cast a close vote on an entire network site?

@JasonC what beta? All it had was a private beta. Then it launched, I think.

It didn't go through A51.

Why?

Huh; well then

It was a special SE partnership thingy.

cv-plz patents.stackexchange.com

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A: What is "Ask Patents" and why is it secret?

4:12 AM

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Reading the faq will make it clear why this one is a wee bit different Ask Patents was designed in collaboration with the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) and Peer To Patent, whose efforts empowering citizens to help find prior art inspired the crowdsourced approach you see h...

Q: Whats the price for this wrench?

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I have a set of old wrenches that I would like to know its price it says on the front CAM-LOC J.K.F.COM. ST.CLR.SHRS.MICH and on the back FORGED TOOL STEEL PAT.NO.2550010 . Thank you

patent-pending

user163250

SE collaborations don't seem to go very well.

user163250

*cough* facebook.stackoverflow.com *cough*

user163250

Um, does Ask Patents not have any community moderators?

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patents.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators

4:15 AM

Weird.

user163250

Come on, there's no way that some of these are serious!

user163250

-1

Q: HI that's a nice invention

how much did it cost? and how much time did it take to finish the project? Can i have a small stuff like this should be simple and useful, low cost I want to do a small project in my college. nice job!!!!

us8588818

user163250

That just looks like trolling.

I said the site was full of crap.

user163250

Just...make it stop. Plz, make it stop! patents.stackexchange.com/questions/6664/…

user163250

4:19 AM

Who the f**ck upvoted that too?

@AstroCB hey, for typing it on my phone while buying tires, I thought it came out pretty well.

user163250

@JasonC he stopped working on his program, I guess he couldn't figure out how to get his Python to work :P

user163250

@Shog9 do you use Android, iOS, or the mobile site for that?

@Cupcake v.v

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Curious minds want to know.

Q: What's wrong with Ask Patents' moderation?

4:29 AM

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Related: What is “Ask Patents” and why is it secret? Ask Patents needs a cleanup There's a moderation problem on Ask Patents. Nobody is reviewing. There are no community moderators. I'm... not sure what to think about question quality... So what's going on here?

discussion moderation

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user163250

"How does benevolent dictator Shog dictate SO benevolently through his omnipresent benevolence?"

^^ Added the gif. That will make it a popular meta post.

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@bjb568 ...

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I already upvoted. Now I might have to retract it...

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j/k

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4:32 AM

Or am I???

@bjb568 DUDE

@Cupcake Too rights does not equal a wrong. It equals a random bounty for one of my answers. :P

Tempted to rollback; that is completely uncalled for, haha. Ah, I can't, damn grace period!

Grace period.

^

AstroCB

4:34 AM

@Shog9 Whatever it takes.

Aww, @Jason

Haha

But I left a descriptive edit comment at least!

slow clap

3

Anyway, gtg, goodnight.

@bjb568 Lol, later

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Vindicated:

A: Suspicious users found: active only one day, many upvotes cast

4:42 AM

@Cupcake one of those, yes

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animuson is telling you "no", but I suspect you don't believe him: If this was fraud, and these accounts were all created by one user, they would likely only have voted about 5 times for that user (with 4 accounts that would give 200 points on an answer). Seeing that these accounts voted ~20 ...

And I'm out of patents.se flags :(

one of the ones that doesn't require bowing and scraping to allow me to install what I want on hardware I paid for, I should say

Q: sistema de alarme automotivo com rastreamento

Oh, I wonder if you have seen this one yet:

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" Sistema de alarme automotivo com rastreamento " MU7801836 patent requerid in Brazil WWW.INPI.GOV.BR my email celsoapsil@hotmail.com contato@manutencaonaval.com Best regards Celso Ap. Silva

us5913170 br7801836u 19980626

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Anyone want to put Ask Patents out of its misery?

AstroCB

4:43 AM

"Mods can't do that. But I can, and did." -Shog9

@hichris123 well, yeah, but they moved into a bigger Denver office.

Oh. Didn't think about where they would move to. :P

What's the time limit on migrations again?

I think 60 days.

Hm

There's quite a few old questions on meta.patents.se that really ought to have been moved to the main site.

I'd ask for a cm to do some kind of magic old question migrate but some of them have a ton of views unfortunately. I think they're kind of stuck there.

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4:52 AM

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@bjb568 snapshot not less funny :p

@Cupcake this is the 5th time it's been proposed (by various people). None of them have gained enough traction (MMJ got the furthest, but still didn't make it out of definition)

Q: How should I store herb butter?

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I tried just keeping it in a tightly-closed container in the refrigerator, but soon it was moldy. I've read this question, which seems to indicate that ordinary butter should keep safely for weeks at fridge-temperatures... But my preparation is hardly ordinary butter. My technique is very sim...

food-safety storage-method freezing butter

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4:58 AM

@chmod711telkitty I actually didn't see that guy back there until I inverted the image in photoshop, then he kind of startled me.

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that goat just stood there and did nothing through the whole episode, kind of weird ...

@Shog9 Is it safe to say that meta.patents.stackexchange.com/questions/105/… is stuck on meta at this point, even though it doesn't belong there?

Do migrations break the original link or do they redirect?

@JasonC redirect

@JasonC why doesn't it belong there?

@Shog9 Because it's a main site topic? Right? It's not about patents.se.

@JasonC in a sense, it's about the use of patents.se

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5:08 AM

@Shog9 "I'm trying to store herb butter. By the way, the herb is weed."

I could see it going either way

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

@Cupcake see revision history

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"Herb" butter <wink> <wink> <nudge> <nudge>

@Shog9 It's not specifically in the list of on-topic stuff, I guess... it's about using USPTO's public information / reporting system, which I think, at least, adds value to the main site.

But I dunno

Is patents.se actually supposed to be manned by USPTO employees?

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5:12 AM

Poppy seed butter cupcake

user163250

Poppy seeds are edible, right?

user202362

yeah

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same thing from which heroin can be made of ...

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Papaver somniferum

Papaver somniferum, the Opium poppy, is the species of plant from which opium and poppy seeds are derived. Opium is the source of many narcotics, including morphine (and its derivative heroin), thebaine, codeine, papaverine, and noscapine. The Latin botanical name means the "sleep-bringing poppy", referring to the sedative properties of some of these opiates. The opium poppy is the only species of Papaveraceae that is an agricultural crop grown on a large scale. Other species, Papaver rhoeas and Papaver argemone, are important agricultural weeds, and may be mistaken for the crop. It is also valuable...

user163250

Oh they're the same plant?

user163250

5:13 AM

I thought they were different.

user163250

Wow, so I'm consuming drugs when I eat poppy seeds?

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Michael Petrotta

Hold that gross frosting, and I'm in.

user202362

it's not because you want get high from the poppy seeds, is it >_<

@Cupcake Reminds me of youtube.com/… lol

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5:17 AM

@chmod711telkitty you would probably have to eat a lot of seeds.

Blog - Stack Exchange: AskPatents.com: A Stack Exchange To Prevent Bad Patents

@JasonC no, more serve as a resource for them

and others

basically, a place to collect information on patents

so that it can be found when needed

Joel Spolsky on September 20, 2012

We’ve all heard the stories of seemingly trivial patents being used to mug technology companies. There was the patent on the “Interactive Web” which a troll named Eolas used to extract $521 million from Microsoft–until a jury in East Texas threw out the patents. There are the four patents Lodsys is using to send threatening letters to software developers everywhere–trivial patents that Google says never should have been granted, in fact, Google and Oracle have submitted mountains of prior art to show that the patents should be invalid. …

joelonsoftware.com/items/2013/07/22.html

@Shog9 I would love to see it meet those goals although I wonder if you guys underestimated the challenge a little. Really interested to see if there's a way to clean it up. Good to see it's getting attention on meta now and from people in chat.

every little bit helps

The problem goes way beyond the app developers example. I used to work at a medical robotics R&D company for a long time, some of the patent issues we ran into there were truly the stuff of nightmares.

think of it as our... victory garden

5:24 AM

You get companies like GE with a team of 200 lawyers just making shit up and if even one thing sticks, it pays off. I once saw a GE software patent for something like "means and method for asking a user for confirmation of an action" that basically described an OK/Cancel dialog with a flowchart.

yeah, I'm just familiar enough with the legal issues involved in medical devices to know better than to want to work with medical devices

patents being maybe the tip of the iceberg there

Well, a major problem there is hot new fields = nobody in the patent office has enough expertise to have discretion.

You saw a similar thing with e.g. 3D graphics in the 90's.

yeah

hell, I remember as a kid reading some biography of Henry Ford in which it detailed the pain he went through with the patent office

I gave up being upset about it years ago, it's too big a force to fight. That's why I'd love to see patents.se succeed in the way its laid out in that blog.

@Shog9 Oh yeah; I mean, that's crazy because of how that pattern continues. His whole thing with Selden parallels so many problems that still exist, and it's sad to think that the system has had issues like that for so long.

People often say things like "the patent system is outdated" without realizing that a lot of the problems we complain about aren't that new, there's just flaws from the start.

yup

6:09 AM

shirt.woot.com/derby/entry/80046/fightin-monsters Must have...

6:34 AM

morning

7:15 AM

morning

free downvotes: stackoverflow.com/questions/25222155/…

also, morning

7:33 AM

@JanDvorak not anymore ;)

7:55 AM

flag worthy? stackoverflow.com/users/2137208/seb

@iStimple nah, at most it's bad taste but not offensive.

You see worse things at the beach...

...and in case anyone wonder it's not picture of the user himself - it's kind of a meme (just search "ron jeremy meme")

8:12 AM

SPAM stackoverflow.com/a/25174872/3041194

8:24 AM

@iStimple weird, doesn't look like a spammer. Hacked account or innocent mistake, time to see if the -100 penalty really works! :)

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/126279/…

Q: Meaning of # in a SQL Transaction

8:36 AM

@bjb568 was this type of borkness supposed to of been fixed?

user163250

8:51 AM

I'm trying to find MSDN documentation for using # in tsql:

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Hi I was checking some store procedures of a product installed on my company, you know to see how other people solve problems and learn. Among this I found this but I do not know what is the meaning of the # in the sql sp in the line select distinct objecttype from #CascadeCollect, any comments...

tsql

user163250

None of the answers here actually links to documentation.

user163250

Anyone know where I can find the darn thing in the docs?

user163250

The closet I could find was this:

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msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms175010.aspx

8:53 AM

@iStimple flagged

and downvoted

@TGMCians there's no point in downvoting spam

yeah right

mistake happens :)

@ShadowWizard the answer has been removed as of < 5min ago. no -100 yet stackoverflow.com/users/3868336/faiz-ahmed?tab=reputation But I don't know how to verify if the answer was deleted as spam or NAA or by the user himself.

deleted by a moderator

my flag was helpful as spam

9:03 AM

@Cupcake I can't find one either but this is a start

hey rene !

Hey!

@Cupcake Maybe this answer is the best stackoverflow.com/a/2921091/578411

9:30 AM

not again meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/268287/…

Anyone want to delete-vote this?

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/126280/…

@iStimple Ira has enough time on his hands to write these kind of e-mails... maybe he has an intern working on it...

I guess at his age you start to get a bit more time @rene. And past experiences might indicate he doesn't like the meta route all that much.

Ok, please warn me if I become like that...

9:44 AM

Well @rene ... ehm ... I don't know how to say this, but .... :p

:)

Hah, Hans and Puppy are somewhat more direct than I would have been ... :D

@iStimple as @Jan said, it was deleted by a mod who clicked "delete" instead of flagging as spam. So no -100 for the user.

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/25227286/…

@ThiefMaster you're too kind, even if it was a mistake, I think the user should have paid for it.

9:49 AM

@ShadowWizard bummed that we weren't able to confirm -100 works still, but happy that user didn't get bad consequences since it looked to be a one time fluke

@iStimple not sure about it, without punishment, there's good chance he'll just do it again at some point.

@ShadowWizard then those -100 will be fully justified the second time around

@Bart is this on-topic for unity3d? I did cast a cv as unclear....

Nah @rene. If it is programming related, it's still horribly unclear.

OK

10:05 AM

Meta needs an email tag now. — Infinite Recursion 4 mins ago

should there be an email-abuse tag?

nah, just a stop-it-right-now

maybe a [tag:you've been common sensed!]

@chmod711telkitty is that bluefeet outside your window?

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Butcherbird

Butcherbirds are magpie-like birds in the genus Cracticus. They are native to Australasia. The Australian magpie has recently been placed in the same genus, and this new taxonomy has been supported by recent phylogenetic analyses. Together with three species of currawong and two species of peltops, butcherbirds and the Australian magpie form the subfamily Cracticinae in the family Cracticidae. Butcherbirds are large songbirds, being between 30 and 40 centimetres (12 and 16 in) in length. Their colour ranges from black-and-white to mostly black with added grey plumage, depending on the species....

10:20 AM

I'm going to burst if I don't let this out; "awwww... who's a good puppy? You! Dats who! Yes you are! You got a +1 from daddy! Yes you did! You want a treat?" ... ok. All out of my system, now! ;) — Andrew Barber ♦ 4 mins ago

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11:21 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237830/…

though a list of past CV reasons would certainly be interesting

11:53 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237831/…

@JanDvorak there's an employee who keeps nuking those accounts. I suspect it's Tim! :D

good :-)

GnomeSlice

12:51 PM

Today's Listening | Electronic / Chillout (Mixsets Day 10)

SmokeDetector

2:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started (@Undo)

Welcome back @SmokeDetector! (now baba should be afraid)

@iStimple I don't think so.

@ShadowWizard I accidentally killed it when I was moving everything between servers :P

You murderer!

2:34 PM

@Undo so you had to give it two shots of Life Elixir to bring it back to life?