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Anna Lear

12:24 AM

@Cupcake what do you mean, "joke"?

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bjb568

12:48 AM

Shog is a nice dictator.

animuson

The handicap symbol gets an update — at least in New York state

Tim Stone

Now it just looks like a warning that you might be run over by extremely capable people in wheelchairs.

random

1:05 AM

Looks like someone got caught in a washing machine

The Wobbuffet

Why does godaddy use IE to load previews???

user163250

1:34 AM

So exciting! :D

user163250

@TheWobbuffet cuz godaddy! :D

The Wobbuffet

I think i just made it easier for everyone to hack my password :P

SmokeDetector

2:49 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Womens Nike Air Max TR 180 on travel.stackexchange.com

bjb568

3:24 AM

@AnnaLear Uh... any plans to unbork my account? I feel if I don't poke people with sharp rods (not sticks, don't make HR investigate) enough nothing will happen.

animuson

You can poke them with sticks, just not pointy sticks.

hichris123

They should preferably be blunt.

Doorknob

Alternatively, I offer a being-thrown-at-people service. Only $0.01 per second spent being in the air!

bjb568

I can make them sharp, but not pointy, right?

1D thing is pointy. 2D is sharp.

So a sharp rod is a sword with a blunt end.

animuson

Make sure if you go with that option it's not a Forget-Me-Knob.

Those doorknobs can be so unpredictable.

bjb568

3:29 AM

Ducky brings up this.

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/13135592/2371861

user163250

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A: Is it OK to make a clarifying edit to a question if it will invalidate existing answers?

Posted separate answers, because they're opposed to each other, and I'm not convinced yet either way of which one is the "right" answer. Searchers read question titles, not question bodies An argument can be made that even though the answers to an unclear or mis-titled question do not solve the...

user163250

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A: Is it OK to make a clarifying edit to a question if it will invalidate existing answers?

Posted separate answers, because they're opposed to each other, and I'm not convinced yet either way of which one is the "right" answer. Are there other questions for the same problem? As a counter-argument to my other answer, you could argue that if there are other popular questions that pose ...

user163250

Arguing with yourself is a lot of work.

The Wobbuffet

@animuson I saw that episode

Okay, so my new domain name (should be up according to my hoster sometime tomorrow) is crispbit.com

Oh its up now

Jamal

dv-plz stackoverflow.com/a/18662408/1950231

animuson

3:56 AM

@TheWobbuffet It's a movie though. D:

The Wobbuffet

@animuson No, it's a tv show! The fairly oddparents. I saw that episode :P

animuson

That particular shot is from the Fairly Odd Parents full-length movie Abra-Catastrophe!

bjb568

"You have requested access to this room; please be patient while the room owners process your request." still for room 1.

Anna Lear

@bjb568 It's not a manual step... So, no? Beyond "keep doing what you're doing" (I've seen you post more answers on various stuff), there isn't really a thing on anyone's list to push a button to unblock you or anything. It's all automatic.

The Wobbuffet

@animuson Oh I remember that

bjb568

4:08 AM

@AnnaLear Automatic? How's that work? And... How much looooooongeeeer? :P

The Wobbuffet

@bjb568 What are you blocked on and why?

Maybe you'll be auto unblocked if you become a mod..?

Anna Lear

@TheWobbuffet We have no plans to appoint MSE mods right now.

bjb568

@TheWobbuffet My account was merged somehow, and everything borked.

The Wobbuffet

@bjb568 You made a sock?

Anna Lear

@bjb568 Wait, what.

The Wobbuffet

4:11 AM

@AnnaLear It was a joke :P

bjb568

@TheWobbuffet No.

The Wobbuffet

Why was it merged?

bjb568

@AnnaLear I SENT SE AN EMAIL! Does nobody check it?

The Wobbuffet

Sure they do.

Anna Lear

@bjb568 They do, but I'm no longer on the team that does that. So.

The Wobbuffet

4:12 AM

Maybe you'll get unblocked if you answer some stuff and get upvotes

Anna Lear

s/they/we

bjb568

@TheWobbuffet IDK. Too google accounts, both were signed in. I may have misclicked or something, but it merged.

@TheWobbuffet I'm not blocked.

Anna Lear

Eh, you were merged over a month ago. That isn't an issue.

The Wobbuffet

Then what can't you do?

hichris123

36

Q: A user has multiplied!

I'm in chat (about a question) and I'm talking to a user. For some reason the chat insists that there are in fact two users: Here are the two users one and two they have two different chat userids. The first chat account link 404s and the second links to the correct user page on Stack Overflo...

@AnnaLear ^

The link to a main site user from chat is messed up for him on chat.SO and chat.SE.

Anna Lear

4:13 AM

Ah, chat.

The Wobbuffet

@bjb568 Do something like a true cracker

bjb568

CV signatures are unlinked. I'm "multiplying" in chat. All places where a user id is used, the id is invalid. I cannot create an account that links to the old SE sites which now belong to the lower userid. And my triple-8 user id doesn't work. I liked my 888.

hichris123

Also a link to his profile sometimes doesn't appear on closed questions that he VTC.

The Wobbuffet

@bjb568 Merge another account and maybe everything will get fixed

bjb568

How?

I don't know what I even did to get it to merge.

Anna Lear

4:15 AM

@bjb568 What credentials do you normally sign in with? (I don't need the email address, just the type - Google, FB, etc.)

bjb568

Google. bjb5682@gmail.com 2888561

I got merged into bjb568@gmail.com 2371861

Anna Lear

You had an older account and that took precedence in the merge. Both had the same gmail credential.

bjb568

That wasn't my account, it was my friend's...

Anna Lear

Well, don't let your friend have an account with your Gmail login credentials...

bjb568

So you get a password hash? Witch!

How did the merge happen, anyway? Does the script check somehow if your passwords are the same? Isn't that horrible if your password is really common?

Anna Lear

4:20 AM

We have no access to your Gmail password.

bjb568

So what do you mean by the "same credentials"?

Anna Lear

Login credentials. When you go to log in with, say, Google, and pick a Google account to log in with.

bjb568

Yes. There are two options on the list, one of them is bjb5682@gmail.com, one of them is bjb568@gmail.com. They're different accounts...

Anna Lear

I see your point. I am going to see about unmerging them, it might take a bit.

bjb568

bjb568@gmail.com is kind of abandoned and crappy. So you don't need to keep it.

Wheeee! Things are changing!

I can see which things are cached. Tags are cached. Badges are.

Anna Lear

4:27 AM

Unmerging is ... tricky. If something is weird after a few days still, let me know.

bjb568

Ok. You should probably unbork the login system in the first place, for future complainers.

Anna Lear

Our login system is terrifying.

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bjb568

Ok, now for the recent flags, votes, and this answer.

That answer took 30 seconds to write, got a bajillion votes (up and down), went all meta effect and got SO to flame about regex, efficiency, code quality, and me saying everything is abuse.

Oh, also, give me a diamond.

I just look out of place here.

Andy

I'd wave at you, @bjb568, in that room, but all the blue diamonds are blinding me.

bjb568

Herm, my reopen votes are all gone.

^ UI is weird too, I have cast votes, and the help page is about up/down votes.

Anna Lear

4:38 AM

That may or may not also be caching. Either way, ran into a few problems with the unmerge. Gonna have to dig deeper tomorrow.

bjb568

Gah, always problems.

Also, "3890059" doesn't have 3 8s in it :O

You'd better give my 8s back. With a diamond.

Anna Lear

yeah, that's not gonna happen

The Wobbuffet

@AnnaLear Do you have access to our HASHED passcodes?

Anna Lear

@TheWobbuffet No, that's not how OpenID/OAuth works.

bjb568

Ok, good.

Anna Lear

4:42 AM

We do if you're using Stack Exchange OpenID by virtue of the fact that we host/run it, but we can't and don't have access to any other types.

bjb568

That's also good.

Puts emergency box of tinfoil hats back down

The Wobbuffet

@AnnaLear I used to have my own login system for my website, I've recreated it and i don't know if i should use wordpress or oauth

bjb568

Anything besides WP.

And drop Godaddy, for FSM's sake.

Anyway, sleep!

'Night

SmokeDetector

5:06 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ANALOG ANGLE CONVERSION FROM +70 DEG TO -70 DEG on arduino.stackexchange.com

user202362

@AnnaLear I got a message on my windows phone when I tried to access the chat on SE. It transferred me to a page showing "suspicious activity" or something like that ...

Anna Lear

@chmod711telkitty $10 says your mobile provider is cycling you through multiple IPs very fast.

user202362

I have to admit that I was on the train, but why would my phone provider cycling me through multiple IPs?

Anna Lear

Beats me. Different cell towers? Mind you, I'm guessing here. But that's generally what we do when IPs change a lot within, say, a minute. Happens a bunch with some ISPs as well. It really only matters during authentication.

Doorknob

Eeeek 1 hour old SPAM gamedev.stackexchange.com/q/81055/19034

user202362

5:25 AM

Interesting thing is that I was logged in, but it asked me to log in again & I was on a train

user202362

then I got this "suspicious activity" screen thrown into my face

Anna Lear

that'd do it

chat login piggybacks on sites, so even if you're signed into a site, you might still have to do an auth round with chat.

user202362

I was chatting :( then I had to change train, I think I might have decided to join another chat after? Then I was asked to log in again :(

user163250

5:47 AM

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/72987/stack-overflow-academy/…

user163250

^ My example question to Help All teh n00bs.

Doorknob

naa apple.stackexchange.com/a/140388/55553

naa raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/22452

Avinash Raj

6:50 AM

in Shadow's Den, 4 mins ago, by Avinash Raj

tag scores doesn't seems adding.

in Shadow's Den, 4 mins ago, by Avinash Raj

2 days before my regex tag score is 498. But still it's on that value.

Jan Dvorak

If you care about a regex tag badge... you're now officially a rep-whore to me.

animuson

Clearly only Meta tag badges mean anything.

Shadow Wizard

7:18 AM

I want gold bug badge

Jan Dvorak

from egypt import scarabeus

SPArchaeologist

and here we are again

Morning

Morning

Morning

Morning

7:29 AM

Morning

Morning

Morning

Morning

Morning

7:54 AM

Morning

SmokeDetector

8:20 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MY EPIC EQUIPMENT IN SKYRIM on gaming.stackexchange.com

Stijn

bad @SmokeDetector, you broke the train!

Bart

Thank god, finally. I don't like to be restricted in the nonsense I can spew into this room.

Morning

NO

Too late...

8:22 AM

You were stuck in the Schipholtunnel because of a smoke alarm I presume @rene?

rene

@Bart No, not really. I was stuck in my bed...

And tell me when there isn't a smoke alarm in the Schiphiltunnel....

Bart

I wonder if there is ever smoke though

rene

No, there isn't...

Shadow Wizard

next time remember to put the keys in a more accessible place, @rene

rene

@ShadowWizard I'll refrain from further comments

@Bart I'm not sure how smoke dectors work exactly but I recall that they heat-up a wire.... I suspect they detect their own smoke...

can we dv-pls and cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/25031811/…

DroidDev

8:32 AM

It looks like more of a babaji spam

Stijn

@rene SU questions with low quality can be closed under off-topic -> You may be able to get help on Super User.

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn but then Super User users will smite us down with a pointy stick

rene

@Stijn Really? So you want the poor gals over at SU to close this an unclear?

Bart

A quick Google search reveals that the formatting sucks because most likely the dozen other sites he posted it at didn't do a proper copy-paste job.

rene

@DroidDev I was looking for a link...because I expected spam...

DroidDev

8:35 AM

lol

Stijn

you misunderstand me

if it's low quality, close it with that reason

if it's good quality, migrate it

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Q: What reason should I pick when closing a Super User question?

When reviewing the Close Votes queue, it's not unusual to come across questions that are off-topic and would be more suitable to be posted on Super User. However, sometimes I doubt what reason to choose, whether just close or migrate. I understand that the first one just closes the question and ...

support migration close-reasons

rene

@Stijn, OK, point taken

Can a 10K-er see if this has an deleted answer?

I'm starting to blame Nick but I'd rather be sure...

Bart

8:54 AM

Nope

rene

Ok, then I don't blame Nick...

DroidDev

can this be flagged as naa?

Shadow Wizard

@rene blame Nick for what?

search is broken again?

rene

yeah

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev why? it does supply a possible fix

DroidDev

8:59 AM

@ShadowWizard I asked because, it asks "and tell me if the fling is working."

Bart

@DroidDev not any more

DroidDev

@Bart well, that's better :)

Bart

I guess that's a fair enough edit?

DroidDev

but still, the answerer is not positive on the validity of answer, and asking OP to confirm. I think this should better suit as comment. That was the main reason, I asked whether it was an answer or not.

Bart

@DroidDev meh, I would have personally left it as a comment first, true. But in the end it's not far off from an answer. I don't really mind it. And I wouldn't really flag it for that.

Shadow Wizard

9:04 AM

Agree with @Bart, plus even if it's not solving the OP's issue it might come useful for others. :)

DroidDev

ok, noted :)

Vote to Close

@SPArchaeologist @JanDvorak @ShadowWizard @DroidDev @ProgramFOX @Braiam @ShadowoftheShadow @Stijn @FOX9000 @Bart @rene Morning!

DroidDev

@VotetoClose Morning!

Shadow Wizard

@rene yeah, search on Stack Overflow returns 10 hours old items only

rene

@VotetoClose Morning

Braiam

9:07 AM

@VotetoClose Morning!

ProgramFOX

Morning @VotetoClose!

Shadow Wizard

too late, morning train already reached its destination earlier :D

rene

@ShadowWizard I won't let Anna get away with it this time with a solved it self

Shadow Wizard

@rene she's on vacation, I think

Stijn

rene

9:09 AM

@ShadowWizard For these kind of things I'm happy to bring the whole team back from holiday... ;)

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Stijn

^someone please make that say "all aboard the morning train"

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn how? GIF editor?

@rene well, I've edited and flagged the question. Let's oscillate it a bit...

@Oded got a second? (or two :))

Oded

Sure

Vote to Close

Ok, times up

Stijn

@ShadowWizard I assume there's one out there without text but I'm not a GIF wizard :(

Shadow Wizard

9:13 AM

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Q: Search results are old/out of date

I was trying to do a search for new questions using the advanced search tags such as is:question and intags:mine. This normally works well, but today it is not showing any questions newer than 2nd June. For example, try this link which should show all questions in my tags, ordered by newest first...

bug status-completed search

Braiam

Wait, what the hell? So there's a user adding the [bootstrap] tag too? I was just watching someone else remove that tag from questions but I never saw this user in the revision history for any of those questions. In fact, now that I'm seeing this, I'm surprised they managed to avoid crossing paths. — BoltClock ♦ 3 hours ago

funny

Shadow Wizard

see the edit, @Oded - search is borked again

and it's cross-site e.g. gaming.stackexchange.com/search?tab=active&q=is%3aquestion

Oded

Elastic indexing might have borked. I'll ping the relevant parties.

Vote to Close

this is how it was fixed last time for reference

No idea what all happened here, but this appears to be resolved now. — Anna Lear ♦ Jun 18 at 21:19

Shadow Wizard

@Oded how diplomatic of you. :D

rene

9:15 AM

@VotetoClose That is not a fix, that is magic...

Shadow Wizard

@rene oh no, baba fixed the bug!

rene

I mighr be borking my laptop....with a bios update.....

Stijn

@Oded out of interest, how do you deal with the massive amount of data when there's corruption? Our full reindex only takes half an hour but I imagine for SE it'd take a whole lot longer.

Oded

That's a question for Nick / SRE team - but we run on always on availability groups, with a read-only replica AG in the other data center, so if needed, we can fall back to that, flip it to write and after fixing problems turn replication back on

Stijn

too bad Nick doesn't hang around here too often, or at least not when I'm awake

on more than one occasion I've wanted to ask him a question

Oded

9:25 AM

You can always post questions on MSE - I'd say that questions about how SE technical operations are handled are on topic...

Stijn

ah, I'll do that from now on then, wasn't sure if that was on topic, thanks :)

Doorknob

Both of this guy's answers are naa

Oded

@ShadowWizard - search is fixed

Vote to Close

@Doorknob i think this one includes an answer stackoverflow.com/questions/25033157/…

even though it doesn't answer what the questioner really wants, but he didn't explain what he wanted well enough

rene

sorry @Doorknob for my assumption thst you made an mistake...

Braiam

9:40 AM

don't worry @rene, is just what @Doorknob has us used to

runs

Vote to Close

he just spreads germs that get us all sick

proof en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_handle#Infection_control

Martijn Pieters

9:56 AM

@balpha: apologies for not seeing that the keyboard shortcuts script was still active.

I haven't yet reproduced the issue today with the script enabled; perhaps you did something?

Vote to Close

spam -

If you bring you're own drinks you could join the weekly close vote event in this room... if you had enough rep ... — rene 16 mins ago

rene

Flagged...oh wait...

balpha

@MartijnPieters No, nothing (I'm on vacation as of yesterday). Let me know if it comes back

Martijn Pieters

I think I just saw it on a review page, but it is harder to be sure as it is just the inbox and achievements not loading.

Reproduced with the user script enabled

I'll let you be on holiday though.

(reproduced on a SO tag page, I meant, it is in the every-odd-post mode now).

Doorknob

10:13 AM

Sigh... why can spam exist for 3 hours ux.stackexchange.com/q/62187/36039

@VotetoClose Eeek! You've discovered my evil plan!

user202362

lol, looks a lot of SE employees are on holidays, time for trolls to infest this site :D

3

DroidDev

YEAH!!!

balpha

23 mins ago, by Martijn Pieters

I haven't yet reproduced the issue today with the script enabled; perhaps you did something?

@MartijnPieters did you mean enabled or disabled?

Martijn Pieters

So pref enabled, user script enabled.

I did not reload the window that is currently in the broken state.

No messages in the JS console but I can try and poke about.

Bart

@chmod711telkitty As if you need an excuse like that for it. :p

Vote to Close

10:23 AM

if you're going to be a troll, try to be the best troll you can be

user202362

@Bart not all trolls are hard working ... some trolls waiting for a sign & the lacking of people who have moderators power would be a good start :p

Bart

I see @chmod711telkitty, so you're essentially an example for all trolls. Well done.

user202362

Example for all trolls? I am flattered :p

Vote to Close

Martijn Pieters

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Braiam

10:34 AM

I think that readable code depends on the one writing, no in the language

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam write a readable piece of code in golfscript

SPArchaeologist

@Braiam Go and say that to Malebolge

Vote to Close

Lol @Guido's license plate. 99.9% of people that see that assume the snake... totally oblivious

Martijn Pieters

No, that was his old plate.

SPArchaeologist

@JanDvorak write a readable piece of code in ~~golfscript~~ malebolge

Martijn Pieters

10:40 AM

when he (and I) worked in Fredericksburg at Zope corp.

He's in Silicon Valley now, california, I think his plate is now Python3 or something.

Vote to Close

oh, lol

Jan Dvorak

s/golfscript/intercal/

Martijn Pieters

Wish I could remember the car he had at the time.

But another colleague's awesome Volkswagen collection keeps butting in on the memories.

Vote to Close

It's too bad they don't allow special characters on license plates

DroidDev

and now I know who Guido is, top results were about internet slangs, but I managed my way through them

balpha

10:51 AM

@MartijnPieters if you put this in the console, what do you get?

$.cache[document[jQuery.expando]].events.ajaxComplete.filter(function(v){return v.handler.toString().indexOf(".reset()")>=0;}).length

Martijn Pieters

I accidentally moved away from that tab, let me reproduce the state.

balpha

this should be 1 in unroken tabs and 2 in broken ones

Doorknob

@JanDvorak 'Hello, World!'

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob one that includes logic

Doorknob

@JanDvorak 1 'Hello, World!' '' if

Jan Dvorak

10:55 AM

not readable, and it doesnt' even include logic

(sorry, but if(true) doesn't count)

Doorknob

It's readable to GolfScript programmers. I don't find Perl readable at all, but that doesn't mean it's not. I just don't know Perl.

(Also, definition of "logic" very tongue-in-cheek of course. Something like ~.{+}*\,/ is still readable, if you know GolfScript. Especially if you get multiple lines so you can separate stuff with actual whitespace.)

Jan Dvorak

I don't really mind cryptic function names, but I find it hard to keep track of the stack

Doorknob

Meh, that applies to any stack-based language.

Jan Dvorak

indeed, but golfscript doesn't give you any type hints

Martijn Pieters

@balpha Confirmed, in a broken tab it prints 2.

balpha

11:18 AM

@MartijnPieters I have a repro, looking

Martijn Pieters

\o/ glad to see it is not just my setup.

user202362

11:43 AM

user202362

can someone tell me what style of text is this word?

Jan Dvorak

not sure, but the font seems to have some keming issues

DroidDev

unknown

Stijn

@chmod711telkitty tight kerning

Shadow Wizard

@chmod711telkitty looks like FreesiaUPC font

user202362

12:00 PM

Cool, thanks ... let me try

GnomeSlice

12:19 PM

Today's Listening | Electronic / Drum & Bass / Chillout

Stijn

@GnomeSlice do you keep a list of all the listenings? I'm always at work when you link them

GnomeSlice

@Stijn I do not. I guess I should.

Andy

@Stijn Here's a start

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Stijn

@Andy good idea :)

balpha

@MartijnPieters The fix is live on meta.se and meta.so (and will be everywhere in a few minutes). Could you check that it's fixed for you there?

Martijn Pieters

12:31 PM

Since reproducing it is based on 'luck', I am not sure how I'd test other than not observe the issue.

Will try. :-P

user202362

what about the chats kidnapping people issue, will it be fixed too?

DroidDev

I couldn't help but say, that's really the funniest message of day. ROFL

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Comment traduire « what the fuck » ? on french.stackexchange.com

Martijn Pieters

@SmokeDetector Quel merdier !

Bart

Myeah, that will do

Stijn

12:46 PM

I think Google gets it wrong here

> ce qui la baise

Bart

rofl

And for Dutch it just seems to think "ah who cares, they speak English anyway"

Shadow Wizard

> Insofar as the term is more "lexicalized" translations less vulgar than "damn", "hell", etc.. necessary in most cases - it will not betray the register of language.

Martijn Pieters

@balpha Everything continues to work correctly, haven't been able to provoke the issue on Meta.S[EO] so far.

balpha

okay thanks

Stijn

Read Meta every second of every day for the rest of your life. If Stack Overflow is crack, then Meta is 100% pure grade-A Colombian snow. Some people find Meta to be way more interesting than the questions they find over on the main site. — Cupcake 16 hours ago

there's actually some truth in that

Bart

12:57 PM

I CAN QUIT META WHENEVER I WANT!

I just don't want to.

Shadow Wizard

1:20 PM

Free cupcakes in the sandbox!

Bart

Something tells me I'm going to be disappointed when I go over there.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart nope, try and see. and blame Nick if you get disappointed :D

Bart

:D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: 3 FINGER SWIPE NOT WORKING IN OPERA BROWSER ON AN ELAN TOUCHPAD, SAMSUNG on superuser.com

TGMCians

1:36 PM

\o

rene

/o\

bjb568

2:05 PM

\o/

Braiam

:D/-<

Santa Claus

2:29 PM

ping

@SantaClaus pong

@Stijn ping

@ShadowWizard pong

pang?

meta.stackoverflow.com/review/close says there are no items to review (no filters active) yet there's this question with close votes, and I haven't voted on it yet

what gives?

Shadow Wizard

2:40 PM

@Stijn it takes time for close vote to push a question to the review queue

there's a job/process doing it, think it's running every 15 minutes or so

user163250

Ooh ooh ooh, I thought of another great example question for the Academy!: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/72987/stack-overflow-academy/…

rene

@ShadowWizard Sounds as caching?

Shadow Wizard

@rene nope, no caching this time. just a job that runs on a schedule rather than insta-add to the queues.

Same goes with low quality posts: they are not added right when posted, but rather in batches when the job is running

Only exception as far as I can tell is suggested edits, where the queue is "live"

rene

2:56 PM

Are you sure it is 15 minutes for any question with a close vote/flag?

Shadow Wizard

@rene not sure about the exact timing but pretty sure it's scheduled, yes

easy enough to test, be the first to vote to close a question, remember when you voted, and ask someone with 3k to monitor the close votes queue and check when the question appears in there (you won't see it yourself)

Stijn

Is it just me, or is there a bad trend going on on MSO where valid questions get downvoted? I'm seeing more and more legitimate support questions that get downvoted, and just now this discussion. Surely that wasn't downvoted because someone thought "I disagree"?

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn lots of people thought the same about the original Meta (now MSE) and probably still do. Since as child meta much more users are now seeing MSO and active in there, it only gets worse.

Anyway, not just you and nothing we can do except try and explain the "victims" that's how thing work.

Stijn

Hmm, I think I'll try to collect examples and perhaps in a few weeks get a discussion going on MSE then, if we should try to educate people about voting on Meta sites.

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn I think it's specific to MSO, smaller sites don't "suffer" from this. So the discussion would belong to MSO, where it would more than likely get hammered to death with downvotes too ;)

Stijn

3:08 PM

fair enough

downvotes don't scare me :)

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn but enough of them and the question disappears from the homepage, chance to get a real discussion in such case is very low. :(

Of course you can and should try, just giving my own prophecy

Stijn

@ShadowWizard that's exactly why I think it's a problem, hurting the feelings of the OP is a secondary issue

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn true. Maybe try starting a new "Meta Summer of Love" :D

hichris123

3:25 PM

@Stijn In that discussion, the downvote was "you didn't even research one bit". But I agree, some legitimate support & discussions are downvoted when they shouldn't.

Stijn

@hichris123 then it should be easy to find a duplicate I guess? :) Or at least a relevant previous discussion.

hichris123

@Stijn Some are on mSE, so can't dupe them.

user163250

4:03 PM

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Q: Should the scope be expanded to help people write better answers too?

Proposal: Stack Overflow Academy This example question from another user got me thinking: I have something valuable to add to a discussion on an existing answer but I don't have the reputation to comment, how should I construct my answer? The current scope of the Academy is only defined to...

technology

hichris123

4:15 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/1153080/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/2563203/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/3786734/about-certification-in-java

SmokeDetector

4:32 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PDO WHERE + ORDER BY on stackoverflow.com

bjb568

Who thinks "please add a comment" shouldn't go away after downvoting based on rep?

Ben Collins

^ interesting - depending on how I parse that, it seems to me that you think we can detect motivation for voting ;-)

if only - that would make so many things easier

SmokeDetector

5:07 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHY THE CURRENT IN BULB IS NOT VARYING on electronics.stackexchange.com

animuson

5:19 PM

My stomach this morning is just ughhhh.

Sterling Archer

Oh hay

Braiam

@balpha is there a way to get this implemented? meta.askubuntu.com/q/8979/169736

bjb568

5:45 PM

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Q: Can we group, constrain and add heirarchy to tags?

On Ask Ubuntu we allow version tags ("12.04", "13.10", etc) so that, in questions is is relevant, people can specify which version of Ubuntu they are running. Now before you tell me Ask Ubuntu is going to hell for our lifestyle choice, we are not the only site to allow/encourage version tags. I'm...

feature-request tags tag-hierarchy version-tags

Martijn Pieters

delv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237326/…

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