Tavern on the Meta

1:06 AM

i'm just leaving this comment so that tavern isn't on the second row... like wow , this place is really slow on thurday nights

michaelb958

1:18 AM

You know what needs to die? [stackoverflow/discussion-board] needs to die.

michaelb958

1:43 AM

[stackoverflow/discussion-board] shall hopefully soon die.

GnomeSlice

2:40 AM

adaptedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/cities

dope

Jan Dvorak

4:51 AM

I'm going through a guy's profile to remove their spammy signatures, and I have found this:

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Q: what sets the rendering rate on a browser (e.g. firefox)

All browsers (by experiment) seem to render the html on the screen at about 20 Hertz (i.e. they refresh the screen about 20 times per second) - i.e. every 50 milliseconds. By researach/experiment and common observation human beings "decide things" at about 10 Herts (ten times per second) - e.g. ...

should I un-all-caps the quotes? Does anyone understand the question?

Shog9

5:20 AM

@Braiam: I think you were interested in this?

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A: Clean up the [sony] tag: Is it useful at all, or should we re-tag and clean up?

This is surprisingly complicated... "Company tags" like microsoft or the now-defunct google were clearly useless or wrong in most situations: tag sets like [javascript google chart] and [vba microsoft excel] were classic examples of someone trying to type out a product name complete with spaces ...

michaelb958

@JanDvorak Oh what a rant. Someone seems to have worked out what he wants, though.

Jan Dvorak

I found him through an answer to a question I've answered. It was promoting security through obscurity, so I downvoted..

and removed his sig from all of his posts.

Mat

7:01 AM

spam-answer stackoverflow.com/a/23558349/635608

Jan Dvorak

@Mat NAA at the very least

SPArchaeologist

7:36 AM

morning

rene

7:47 AM

morning

Jan Dvorak

morning

Bart

morning

@ShadowWizard Make that a proposal and I'll vote it up.

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Q: Facebook in Unity3D: Please provide a clear and functioning "Log Out" experience.

I have added facebook in unity3d game, working fine, it logsin , posts feed. and automatically logsout. I submitted this for review to facebook, and they told me to do this. "Please provide a clear and functioning "Log Out" experience. ". dont get what they want, I am logging out automaticall...

android facebook unity3d

^^^ is that "on-topic" or is that "Go ask Facebook"?

Jan Dvorak

8:06 AM

Whenever I see "please provide ..." I automatically start reaching for the "too broad" button.

Bart

:D

Robo-voter!

3ventic

8:44 AM

robocop

Bart

I think you're looking for Shadow's Den @3ventic

Mat

9:10 AM

cv-plz-tyop stackoverflow.com/questions/23560292/…

3ventic

type > typo > tyop?

SPArchaeologist

this farm I am currently working on is so slow that I could swear I feel the mouse opposing resistence to movement. It is a strange felling, somehow like I was programming underwater.

I am expecting to start talking in slow motion any second now.

(and before someone tries that joke, No - it is not my V-Watch that broke down.)

Mat

9:47 AM

spam stackoverflow.com/questions/23561426/…

SPArchaeologist

spam spam spam humbug ?

SPArchaeologist

10:02 AM

yep! the first issue has arrived!

Assassination Classroom

is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Yūsei Matsui. It follows the daily lives of an extremely powerful octopus-like teacher and his students dedicated to the task of assassinating him to prevent Earth from being destroyed. Individual chapters have been serialized in Weekly Shōnen Jump since July 2012, and are collected into tankōbon volumes published by Shueisha. As of May 2014, nine volumes have been released in Japan. An anime adaptation of Assassination Classroom was announced and screened on the Jump Super Anime Tour from October 6, 2013 to November 24, 2013. The ...

Bart

10:18 AM

"We're looking for C++ developers that live and breath their work - it's not a just a job." ... oh boy, that doesn't sound good.

Oded

@ThiefMaster - (window.Clipboard || window.DataTransfer) end up as too simplistic. window.DataTransfer is there on FF and Opera, but to make paste actually work on those two requires further work. I have not dug too deep into that browser compatibility hole yet.

Jan Dvorak

@Bart "we require frequent unpaid overtime and we will fire you at the first sign of complaining"

Bart

Bingo @JanDvorak.

Louis

10:32 AM

cv-pls-off-site-resource stackoverflow.com/questions/23548111/test-as-a-service

jadarnel27

10:52 AM

I worked at a place a few years ago where we were scheduled for 50 hour weeks. 10 hours of overtime every week, but still. In retrospect, that was rough.

Bart

I really like my work @jadarnel27. If they ask me to come in on a weekend, I'm there because we generally do cool stuff and the work environment is nice. But they don't expect me to be there, if that makes sense. I have no problem "living and breathing my work", but that should be an exception, not an expectation.

jadarnel27

And I think that's awesome. You love what you do, your company appreciates and respects that.

Bart

I loved this other company I once applied for. They were big on their "flexible working hours" in their ads. When going there, it turned out they had a daily SCRUM meeting at 8am, and the flexibility was only about them not setting a time to leave, as long as it was after 6pm.

jadarnel27

LOL wow!

Bart

It's not where I currently work ... :D

jadarnel27

11:01 AM

Yeah, I don't doubt it haha.

There was also this weird social pressure to not take lunch breaks at that place.

Everyone ate at their desks, and worked.

I keep in touch with some of the guys that work there, and they've basically changed all of that. Which I think is awesome.

rene

A boardmember once instructed us to cancel all holidays of all teammembers. My PM asked 'Do you cancel your holiday?'. The look on his face told us we were done...

Mat

11:20 AM

Isn't there a canonical "please create a site for X" question on MSE? Can't find anything like it right now...

Bart

@jadarnel27 I now eat at my desk and Youtube ...

But that's because the others are gone

Mat

spam stackoverflow.com/questions/23563309/…

Bart

Be nice to the beautiful lady @Mat

Mat

I flagged very tenderly, @Bart

Louis

"Our entire marketing department is staffed with cover girls."

jadarnel27

11:50 AM

@rene Wow, that is crazy!

@Bart Yeah, that's a bit different =) We were coding, taking tech support calls, and taking bites of lunch while the phone was on mute.

Speaking of jobs. Today is my last day at my current job. Woohoo \o/

Oded

From the \o/ I assume that was intentional on your part ;)

jadarnel27

Haha, yes. This is the end of my two-week notice.

I wasn't fired...this time.

=)

On a related note, I find working a notice to be one of the most awkward situations in the workplace.

Oded

Oh yeah. Some companies just give people garden leave (i.e. be at home during the notice period, be available if needed, otherwise, your own time)

That also avoid the whole possibe issue of - employee is leaving 'cause they are disgruntled, forced to work their notice, they then sabotage

jadarnel27

@Oded Ah, that would be nice. I haven't heard of that!

I mostly find all the "joking" tedious. About how I'm a short-timer, so I'm not working hard. Or the half-joking/half-serious comments about how people are mad that I'm leaving the company.

Oded

12:08 PM

I find most people are mad because it isn't them that's moving on ;)

Bart

Hah, at the last place where I worked I got congratulated.

Oded

Yeah - company culture shows through at times like this. Looks like a good one to leave

Stijn

@jadarnel27 I was the only developer at my first job. Our law mandates a six-week notice, it was easily the most awkward period in my life. The boss constantly trying to have me stay to the point where she nearly cried.

Bart

rofl, that's terrible

I saw that @rene. shakes head

rene

12:25 PM

...I'm ashamed of myself...couldn't resist...

Stijn

Probably for the best that I didn't see what you wrote? :)

rene

Ooh, it was not targeted at you @stijn don't worry :-)

Jan Dvorak

12:54 PM

yee-haw! I've hit 4YO link-only answers in the VLQ queue

jadarnel27

@Oded For what it's worth, the feedback was pretty mixed between very positive and encouraging, vs. negative.

It is a good place for me to leave, though. Because my skills are getting more and more out of date, supporting these web forms apps and vendor products.

I was very fortunate to get this opportunity with a shop that is constantly doing new stuff, with new tech.

And they do code reviews, mentoring, agile, etc - all the structure and feedback most of my previous experience has lacked.

SPArchaeologist

@jadarnel27 I had read "supporting these win forms apps" and had a shiver....

jadarnel27

@Stijn Yikes! I can't imagine doing this for four more weeks.

@SPArch Haha, not a fan of WinForms?

SPArchaeologist

@jadarnel27 maybe.... 10 years ago?

Microsoft should really insert a pacman or space invader clone in the visual studio installer splash window.

have been staring that for the last 1h.

jadarnel27

1:19 PM

Submit a feature request.

I think it's a great idea.

Bart

They already include a 3D mesh viewer for some reason.

jadarnel27

Visual Studio does, @Bart? I didn't know that.

Bart

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh315734.aspx @jadarnel27

Never knew either until I mistakenly dropped one of our assets into the wrong window

Never used it since.

jadarnel27

I wonder who decided that would be worth someone's time / effort to build into the IDE.

Tim Stone

1:52 PM

Well, I guess it's a nod to people developing against DirectX, which they probably want to encourage.

Probably for the "Is this the right asset?" moments so you don't have to switch tools

Bart

Myeah, even in that scenario I never used it @TimStone. And all the editing functionality ... overkill to me.

jadarnel27

@TimStone That makes sense.

Though I guess, as @Bart mentioned, devs working with 3D models are probably so used to using their other tools that they go to them reflexively.

Undo

Trains rotate the Earth around various axes while elevators shift its position in space.

jadarnel27

"There is no error in code, but pdf not generated. Please ignore my mistakes and help me. Here is my code," - hahaha

Those two requests seem counterproductive to one another.

"Please ignore my mistakes, but fix the problems caused by those mistakes."

Bart

2:13 PM

"Those mistakes which aren't there"

Undo

Someone explain to me why this should be closed as a duplicate of this.

jadarnel27

To be fair, he might have meant to excuse his English mistakes. But it's still an amusingly confusing request.

Bart

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A: Exclude TeX.SE question titles from MathJax parsing in Hot Network Questions

The problem of inadvertent MathJax rendering is not limited to titles from tex.stackexchange.com. While browsing earthscience.stackexchange.com, I ran across this mis-rendered Hot Network Question, whose title should have been If ICANN only charges $0.18 per domain name, why am I paying $10?...

^^ @Undo

Undo

meh

I still don't see the duplicateness.

Braiam

@Shog9 interesting, of course on some sites company tags could be relevant where "products" are just different models of the same thing

what the...

Bart

2:25 PM

"Waz up coders!!!" rofl

Booo @Stijn

Stijn

@Bart Thanks to Google for indexing so quickly :D

Bart

:D

user2284570

hello I want to use an image as an hyperlink (you click to the image and it load an another url). What is the markdown syntax for this?

Undo

Something like [![image caption](image_url)](click-through-url) should work.

(you'd want to use the image url as the click through url)

user2284570

@Undo Are you sure it will work?

Undo

2:34 PM

Try it ;)

Braiam

@Shog9 please, help me here, that question is not about the command line, but a command line tool called tar, will it need the command line tag?

Shog9

@Braiam what is the purpose of the [command-line] tag?

Bart

@user2284570 meta.stackexchange.com/a/231335/161198

Braiam

@Shog9 "do foo or bar with the command line"

Stijn

@Bart clever :)

Braiam

2:38 PM

that's by far the most common usage

Shog9

@Braiam so what's that question about?

Braiam

@Shog9 tar and permissions

as far I could tell

user2284570

@Bart Thank YOU!

Braiam

how tar deal with permissions, why I can't change the ownership of the files, etc

terdon

@Shog9 tar, permissions, and a specific tar option that was used. A CLI option, of course.

fossfreedom

2:41 PM

@Shog9 we should deal with this at the site level - doesnt need SE help on this one.

terdon

@Shog9 basically, Braiam has his own views about how this tag should be used. Nobody else agrees with him really but he keeps starting edit wars about it. We're kind of annoyed at this. I don't see why he chose to bring you into it but there you go.

Shog9

@fossfreedom I agree, that's why I ask these questions every time this comes up here ;-P

Undo

hah, I was thinking some technological spin on tar-and-feathering :P

terdon

What FOSS said. No idea why Braiam chose to bring you in.

Braiam

@terdon sorry, but 4/-6 and someone agrees with me meta.askubuntu.com/a/8926/169736

Shog9

2:42 PM

btw, @Braiam @terdon: shame on you both for editing/rolling back that question without fixing the obvious typo and lame title

terdon

@Shog9 Damn! Quite right blush

fossfreedom

ouch - that was a slap :P

terdon

Thanks

Now, @Braiam, let's go back home and leave the man in peace yeah?

Braiam

@Shog9 well, you said that tags that means several things are no go, right? I'm saying that cli tag should be used only for question about "do X in the command line" not all question where the question itself is about "some tool on the command line" or "do X with the command line". sounds logical or I'm plain crazy?

Shog9

@Braiam what is the purpose of the [c#] tag on Stack Overflow?

Bart

2:48 PM

Smart move not to go with [php] there ...

Braiam

@Shog9 questions about the c# language, some about it's different frameworks like .net, mono, where the language is relevant

Shog9

@Braiam ...and?

points meaningfully at elephant

Braiam

question about it specification, usage, characteristics

dunno what else

well, Jon Skeet

Shog9

@Braiam take a quick look at the questions

"usage" is probably a fair description for most of them, but the truth is that many - perhaps even most - [c#] questions aren't about C#

They're about programs folks have written in C#

Or libraries/frameworks that happen to live in C#

IOW, C# is... kind of a meta tag most of the time

Braiam

I mentioned frameworks

Shog9

2:58 PM

But splitting hairs that finely is out of the reach of most taggers.

Braiam

but, and here's my main preoccupation, would you use C# tag if the only relationship is that the tool was written in c#?

Shog9

@Braiam you mean like the majority of the questions in this tag?

or maybe this one

The truth is, folks tend to use [c#] whenever they're working with C# - regardless of whether or not their question is actually about C#

It's a way of saying, "I prefer a C# solution" or if we're a bit more generous, "The code I've already written is in C#"

Braiam

yeah, but you can't say the same about jquery/javascript

Shog9

@Braiam a great deal of the time, you can. jQuery is an interesting case because it's a hybrid: there's the jQuery library written in and used from JavaScript, and then there's the jQuery selector query language, based on (but distinct from) CSS's selector syntax

Still, roughly 45% of all jQuery questions are also tagged [javascript]

Arguably it should be more. Isn't anyone else wondering how it would work that 75% of the questions he answered are about jQuery, but only 33% are about JavaScript? — balpha ♦ 2 days ago

Braiam

ok, let me try to tackle it another way: if a tool is written in C, does it means that I should tag it with C even if the C language has nothing to do with the problem at hand?

GnomeSlice

3:04 PM

Today's Listening | Electronic/Chiptune

Braiam

@Shog9 that would be funny

Shog9

@Braiam am I writing the tool?

GnomeSlice

CC @Bart @rene

Braiam

@Shog9 no, just using it

Bart

It better not stop this time @GnomeSlice. ;)

GnomeSlice

3:05 PM

@Bart If it does I can get you another link to listen to it.

I think that Pludo one was just fuct though.

Braiam

like, installing django for example, general stuff

GnomeSlice

Friday tunes

Shog9

@Braiam I'm using SO as an analogy here - folks use [c#] because they're working with [c#] - it provides a context for the situation in which their problem arose, and often expresses a desire for a certain form of the solution. The equivalent on AU would be the use of version tags on a great number of questions that aren't actually specific to a given version of Ubuntu - or, [command-line] for questions where the asker just happens to be using the command line in the context of his question.

Folksonomy

A folksonomy is a system of classification derived from the practice and method of collaboratively creating and translating tags to annotate and categorize content; this practice is also known as collaborative tagging, social classification, social indexing, and social tagging. Folksonomy, a term coined by Thomas Vander Wal, is a portmanteau of folk and taxonomy. Vander Wal explains some of the characteristics of folksonomies by identifying two types: broad and narrow. A broad folksonomy is the one in which multiple users tag particular content with a variety of terms from a variety of vo...

People are messy

Braiam

@Shog9 exactly, what about tools where the use of the command line is almost implicit?

Shog9

@Braiam what about it?

Braiam

3:11 PM

I mean, I can't talk about adduser tool without firing up a terminal

or moving myself to the command line

@Shog9 I agree with you there

Shog9

@Braiam tags aren't a hierarchy. Using .net doesn't imply [c#], nor does [adduser] imply [command-line]. You're not adding [command-line] simply because [adduser] is a tool used on the command line, but you might add it if the question was asked in the context of using the command line (specifically, to call adduser).

Does that make sense?

Braiam

"You're not adding [command-line] simply because [adduser] is a tool used on the command line" actually that's exactly the reason why people are adding them not the second part

and yeah, it make sense, there are couple of question where I want to mix some CLI solution using X tool

Shog9

well, that - as @fossfreedom notes - is something y'all have to work out among yourselves

GnomeSlice

@Bart Playing okay?

Braiam

so, if I want to ask what do certain switch means on an specific tool, how should I tag it? as the name of the tool?

Shog9

3:16 PM

@Braiam what's the actual problem you're solving here?

(I assume that if you want to know what a given switch means, you type man <command>)

Braiam

@Shog9 what means -X in foo tool?

Shog9

@Braiam you wouldn't ask that

Bart

Yep @GnomeSlice. My freakishly large feet are happily tapping away.

Braiam

what does, what is it's utility, why it behave that way, etc.

Shog9

@Braiam you might ask the last one

In which case, your question isn't really about a tool or a flag but a behavior

Well, describe the context for that behavior

Braiam

3:17 PM

@Shog9 they actually do

Shog9

@Braiam not quite the same, but more to the point I was saying that you wouldn't ask that - you know how to answer it already, but you might not know how to interpret or explain a given behavior you've observed (as was the case with the original example)

So yeah: you would likely tag the question as necessary to capture the context of whatever scenario your problem arose in. Scripting, specific shell, specific command, CLI, whatever

Braiam

ok, context would matter there, I'll give you that

Braiam

3:48 PM

btw, @Shog9 is interesting that in that question OP only tagged as "tar"

TGMCians

4:30 PM

\o

Mat

I just spam-flagged meta.stackexchange.com/a/231349/158667 - did I overreact?

TGMCians

IMO, no

Amal Murali

I'm about to flag this answer as a copy-paste. Is that the correct reaction? I'm asking because some of my recent flags have been declined and now there's a warning on every flag dialog. :(

TGMCians

I think you should not flag it, downvote plus write your message there is good idea here

Amal Murali

Why not flag it? I did the above already.

Braiam

4:40 PM

where is the comment about the guy that wrote tag wiki/excerpts just to fill the void

TGMCians

@AmalMurali oh meta.stackexchange.com/questions/168058/…

-1 It's is not good idea only copy paste answer of others without any extra information. — TGMCians 48 secs ago

Amal Murali

lol, 3 comments starting with -1

TGMCians

it might now mod won't decline your flag, let's see

Amal Murali

Well, I didn't flag it yet. I wasn't sure.

TGMCians

that's good

Bart

5:11 PM

@Mat Hah, I thought that took a really long time to disappear since I flagged it yesterday ... but no: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/198915/…

Louis

cv-pls-opinion-based stackoverflow.com/questions/9676155/…

Amal Murali

Any idea when this update is going to roll out?

Bart

six to ....

Amal Murali

:-P

as long as it's "never", I'm happy

Braiam

@Louis just pound the whole testing tag... you will find interesting things

Bart

5:23 PM

If you're closing stuff anyway, perhaps consider this one as well: stackoverflow.com/questions/2391648 I did vote before and it expired it seems.

Braiam

"I am a programmer; I like XNA" approved :D — Kolky May 24 '12 at 9:38

obvious opinion based question is a rep-farm

Bart

Myeah. And the tag isn't really all that busy, so something votes expire

Louis

@Bart I've been thinking we should have some sort of closing posse formed to handle those old questions where close-vote expiration is a real problem.

Braiam

@Louis you mean like a death-row? somewhere were to post them to wait their inevitable fate

Bart

Myeah. Generally I like to see the tag community handle it, if anything to avoid the whole "but they don't even participate in the tag" arguments. So I don't bring up many of them here.

Louis

5:29 PM

BTW, most of the time a request to close from me is not because I'm in the middle of looking for things to close but it's just stuff that I come across.

@Braiam Not quite.

In the old west posses were formed to look for criminals.

A group would form to do the job.

The issue with old questions is if I just cast my vote and leave it at that, then chances are slim that enough people will just stumble upon the same post and cast their votes before mine expires.

Hence the need of a group acting in concert, a posse.

Bart

I think @rene has a chat going somewhere for that purpose @Louis? Never participated myself.

SO Close Vote Reviewers

This room is for support and discussion about reviewing and co...

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Louis

@Bart Nope. That thing has been declared specifically to not be a posse.

Bart

Ah, never bothered to look :)

Louis

20

A: SO Close Vote Reviewers (Next Meetup: Fri, May 9 @ 4:00pm EST / 21:00 UTC)

Next Meetup Friday, May 9th, 2014 @ 21:00 UTC (4:00pm EST) in this chat room. Announcements Jan 15, 2014. The meetup time has been changed to 21:00 UTC (4:00pm EST) henceforth. Also, some fancy graphs coming up, based on data collected so far— Dec 22, 2013. Moved cron job to a Linode. Now...

Bart

Ha, I even commented there ... getting old

Louis

5:37 PM

That answer contains: "In short, we don't want to become a close vote posse."

So there ya go.

Undo

5:56 PM

People!

These almost all need closed

aw crap

bad URL :P

There!

To save wear and tear on the part of your mouse, a userscript.

(adds an 'ot10' button to the post menu (since 10 is the off-topic reason ID). Click it and you're done)

Braiam

@Undo no AU :(

Mat

Why do you want to close all these questions?

Undo

@Mat because they're only applicable to SO. And we're supposed to close them.

@Braiam you can make it work on AU

You just need the off topic reason. And to add an @include line at the top.

Braiam

@Undo you want me to do it? ¬_¬

Undo

You are fully capable of opening a file in a text editor, @Braiam. I believe in you.

Braiam

6:01 PM

> the man's partner is pregnant

there's so many things wrong there

Mat

@Undo: that sounds like an enormous waste of time for absolutely no benefit.

Laszlo Papp

7:01 PM

burn-in-the-worst-hell-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23571277/…

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23570374/…

40 comments!

Bart

WTF is that second one?

"without writing the complete program in Qt itself" ... answer proceeds to write the complete program using Qt and gets accepted

@Qix No. My interface is created with Qt. The program logic is coded in Visual Studio. — user3482499 1 hour ago

Is the OP confusing Qt and Creator?

Laszlo Papp

no idea, but 20% of the questions are crap

or more.

I do not understand why there is no minimum text limit for a question

obviously, a good question cannot be a one-liner.

you cannot express your effort in one line?

Braiam

@LaszloPapp there is... 15 characters :O

Laszlo Papp

that is unacceptably low IMHO.

Bart

There is no minimum text limit because if there would be a minimum text limit, which we'll assume for now, then user who would be faced with that minimum text limit, which doesn't exist outside of this hypothetical situation, would simply write a whole lot of text to achieve the minimum required of this text limit, just in order to reach the limit, instead of actually asking a better question, because they tend to work around the limit and use far more words than they should have

Laszlo Papp

7:11 PM

I am not saying the system can be perfect, but it would encourage people to provide more details.

Mat

People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways. People also bypass the quality filter in interesting ways.

Bart

I admire your faith in humanity @LaszloPapp

Or the word filter @Mat? But I don't see how that's a problam, or porblem, or an issue

Laszlo Papp

I do not think the majority of the people would try to get around to it.

I think the majority would actually be demanded to put all the information there that is only in their head when they write one-liners, or at least more that reaches the limit.

Mat

Not the majority of normal, well behaved, sensible & polite people certainly. But the majority of people who post turds certainly would.

Louis

I think you're assuming more content in their heads than there actually is.

Laszlo Papp

7:14 PM

Also, I do think there should be a how to ask button.

it is tiring to keep writing it.

Mat

@Bart: I think most of those didn't in fact trigger the filter... some people can't even spell the name of the framework they're using properly.

Laszlo Papp

I wish that was the biggest issue

are there some stats about the downvotes along the years?

I imagine it is increasing due to the crap quality?

Bart

I wonder if that's the case actually.

Laszlo Papp

so has there been a meta post lately about giving more access to the high-rep users for duplicating questions?

ɥʇǝS

@LaszloPapp No, it wouldn't. It would do just what Bart said. Encourage people to just add gibberish. I see it all the time.

Laszlo Papp

7:19 PM

OK, let us agree to disagree.

it works quite well at other places fwiw.

this is a question why I need 20K: stackoverflow.com/questions/23571277/…

burn in hell ASAP

Bart

@LaszloPapp I disagree

Laszlo Papp

who would have thought...

Bart

:D

Laszlo Papp

it is interesting to see that some people claim the quality of the questions drops on SO, whereas there are quite crappy old questions, too, hanging around.

Bart

@LaszloPapp If you look at old discussion on MSE, you'll see cries about "high rep users leaving" and "decline in quality" as early as 2009 or so.

Laszlo Papp

7:24 PM

:D

half a year after the launch?

Bart

It's nothing new, and we're still here. Doesn't mean there's nothing we should do, but the impulse the new MSO has given to all the "the sky is falling" posts is somewhat exaggerating the issue.

Louis

"In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri."

Ah, the golden age.

Laszlo Papp

well, I joined the site with the intention of cleaning the crap, and not leaving.

I realized it quickly that I cannot do much.

Bart

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Q: What has happened to the quality of answers on Stack Overflow?

Apologies of this has come up recently / been done to death, I've only just discovered Meta Stack Overflow. I signed up for Stack Overflow just after its launch nearly a year ago, and the quality of answers was so high it was a genuinely fantastic resource. However, my recent experiences have ...

discussion stackoverflow answers specific-question quality

July 2009

Laszlo Papp

haha, your friend in the canonical dup

Bart

7:27 PM

4

Q: How to improve the quality of Stack Overflow questions and answers?

It seems to me (and I don't think I'm alone) in thinking that it should be possible to tweak the reputation/incentives on Stack Overflow to improve the quality of questions and answers, and bring Stack Overflow closer to its stated goals. How do you think the reputation/incentives on Stack Over...

discussion stackoverflow reputation

So yeah, nothing new at all. :)

@LaszloPapp Ah, hehe. I actually liked that post. Spent quite some time editing it into shape.

Laszlo Papp

yeah, right ...

Bart

?

ɥʇǝS

7:42 PM

@Bart I think the "nothing new" stuff needs to get about more often.. I knew it wasn't new, but I didn't know it went back so far.

A call for sanity!

Bart

"With all the things that are going on SO now, it's obvious that if we won't do anything to react on the situation, good chances are - we'll lose SO as the best enthusiast programmers resource." ... a bit of perspective: the new MSO has given users renewed spirits to participate and talk about their concerns or frustrations. However, these voices are by no means new. They go back to the very beginning of the site. It may all sound dramatic, and we surely need to listen and act, but let's not exaggerate and perhaps all dial down the drama a notch. — Bart May 2 at 17:37

I try @ɥʇǝS ;)

Laszlo Papp

Bart is telling the site has always sucked :P

ɥʇǝS

@Bart :D

Bart

8:00 PM

@LaszloPapp Everything is shit @LaszloPapp. Luckily it's fairly solid shit, so sometimes there is something with an interesting shape or a towering form which defies gravity. Other sites generally have a fairly loose consistency however. If we avoid that, I'd say we're still okay.

jadarnel27

9:35 PM

Final day at the job complete.

status-completed

Undo

10:13 PM

reject-pls

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4772975

!!!

TCPMAN.EXE

10:47 PM

@jadarnel27 Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

jadarnel27

10:57 PM

@TCPMAN.EXE It's a good thing, this time =P

TCPMAN.EXE

status-success-kid-fist-pump

animuson

I'm scheduled to work 8:30am - 11pm on election day. :x

jadarnel27

@animuson Holy crap.

@TCPMAN.EXE That was my reaction too.

animuson

She told me they'd usually have my job start at 7:30 but they'd let me have the extra hour of sleep in the morning. xD

TCPMAN.EXE

I had a Facebook argument with someone with a fundamental misunderstanding of how elections here are actually staffed recently, so that was fun.

animuson

11:03 PM

At least I don't have to talk to voters. ^_^ I'm scheduled as a supervisor so I get a nice cozy desk with two monitors!

jadarnel27

I don't know anything about how elections are staffed here.

Someone told me they were voting for something the other day. I didn't even know there was voting going on.

animuson

Some House and Senate seats are up for election. Depends on where you live. Nebraska Governor is also up for election this year.

Then there's almost always some weird county offices up for election every year, just most people don't care about them.

Mysticial

Awww... historic lock on the 1k+ meta.SO question...

Shog9

11:21 PM

@Mysticial where?

Mysticial

@Shog9 This one:

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Q: Why is Stack Overflow so negative of late?

I've been using Stack Overflow for a few years, and initially most questions you asked got a positive reception: happy comments and answers, people that tried to help you out regardless of the way you worded it. Of late the tendency is to simply close or put on hold most questions, or downvote th...

discussion voting asking-questions attitude

Shog9

oh, that craaazy @animuson

jadarnel27

"Websites that are glorified shopping carts with maybe three dynamic pages are maintained by teams of people around the clock, because the truth is everything is breaking all the time, everywhere, for everyone." - Programming Sucks

That blog post is wordy, but quite funny.

Shog9

It is wordy. I've apparently had that open in a tab for about a week, and never managed to get through it without interruption.

Reminds me of why I stopped programming

Although in hindsight, leaving coding due to the unnecessary complexity and general sloppiness of participants to take a job working with people was probably one of the less well-considered decisions I've made.

Mysticial

@Shog9 I can imagine. Putting up with all the crap that happens here. And that's just the stuff that I can see. :)

jadarnel27

11:28 PM

@Shog9 Agreed. People are notably more complicated that computers.

Stilly.stack

@jadarnel27 people just have a lot of bugs

jadarnel27

I just read that blog post all at once because I don't have a job until May 19th.

@Stilly.stack The creepy, crawly kind? Or the logical error kind?

Or the syntax error kind?

Stilly.stack

Any error kinds. But yea, some people probably have bugs in their brains and stomach.

jadarnel27

I've been watching enough House to know that most people have bugs they've never heard of, in places they didn't even know about.

Netflix is worse than World of Warcraft. Tell Nick Craver to write another damn blog post, so I can start working out again.

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