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9:01 PM
Oy
 
@KasraRahjerdi Shhhh
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: I do not yet see what problem you are trying to solve.
 
@LaszloPapp it's nice to see you too :)
Were the example questions not clear?
 
you have not even linked them...
but reading the bullet points did not help me to understand.
 
Because I hate meta question skew :/ Questions I link to always get a lot of up/down votes
 
9:10 PM
yeah, that is crap IMHO, too.
IMHO, any discussed post appearing in the question should be automatically locked for a while.
 
I wish there was a way to link to an immutable copy of a question, so people would have to go through an extra layer of indirection to vote.
Yeah, that's a good suggestion
 
yeah, copy is even better.
since then "normal" people are not distracted from the contribution.
 
Here - that's a random example I just ran into stackoverflow.com/q/23602261/1348195 , I have no idea how to close that.
Unlikely to help anyone in the future, shows lack of basic undersanding, but very clear and answerable
 
so basically there could be a copy-link provided automatically in the post not pointing to the actual post.
not sure how it would sync up...
 
Yeah, copy link, it'd show as locked to people looking at it from that referral
 
9:13 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum: I am surprised that is not a duplicate.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Typo maybe?
> While similar questions may be on-topic here, this one was resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers
 
it is definitely not typo.
 
It doesn't exactly fit, but...
 
the OP is asking about a concept, he does not understand C pointers.
 
Yeah, it's not a typo, OP genuinely doesn't know what they're doing.
 
9:13 PM
it is a valid question IMHO, but very likely duplicate.
 
They found random code, and they're not sure why it works the way it works.
 
Meh, methinks that would be a use for TL...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: he is asking about pointers.
which is a major grim in C.
 
it is worth discussing, and it is useful for others IMHO.
 
9:14 PM
Yeah, but he does not know that, nor does he know the underlying concepts.
Yes, pointers are useful for others, but I don't think anyone will ever visit that question again.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: how about editing the question?
@BenjaminGruenbaum: some people read tag questions, like me, and learn from others.
 
To completely change it to "What are pointers in C and how do I use them?"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: no, something like: "Issue with printing pointer addresses".
 
It's not properly tagged either. Like I said, all the questions I speak of are answerable, and are not typos. They all have a clear, and possibly good answer. They're poorly written and too localized though, and are duplicates, but not exact duplicates
@LaszloPapp yeah, "Issue with printing pointer address" is a good title in retrospect, but I'm not sure OP knows that he is in fact printing a pointer address, what a pointer is, or what a dereference operator is. He might have seen that in a scanf and put it in a printf by mistake.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: IMHO, it is more useful to edit the question title than voting on close.
 
9:18 PM
Perhaps, but that would be changing what OP meant completely though, although I admit it improves the question substentially.
 
OP didn't ask what a pointer is, what a pointer address is, or what printing a pointer address does simply because they did not know what those things were when asking the quesiton.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: I think it would keep what the OP wanted to know.
@BenjaminGruenbaum: but the easiest way to resolve such issues is duplicate closure with gold badge instantly.
to a canonical pointer explanation in C question and answers.
 
@LaszloPapp perhaps, but it is changing the quesiton, it means we're solving OP's XY problem for them, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but it's certainly not what people do most of the time and it can also usually only be done in retrospect.
Yeah, but I would feel uneasy closing it since it's not an exact duplicate. I agree with the sentiment but I'm not sure about the course of action. That sort of edit seems too radical, although I agree it's helpful.
 
I cannot possibly think of any other useful action.
I had seen "lack of understanding" misused quite badly. I am not even claiming intentionally...
 
9:22 PM
Closing it and guiding OP to the canonical resource where they'd find about pointers anyway, while making a stand on asking such questions, although that's probably less useful. It's also a lot of work.
 
No onebox. :(
 
Yeah, I didn't like "Lack of Understanding" either, that's really what that question is all about.
"Lack of Understanding" was bad because it was rude and easily abused, I think we can do better.
stackoverflow.com/questions/23621033/… here is another example, a code request, although this is actually a really clear VBA question had OP phrased it more clearly.
Here is another, clear and solvable stackoverflow.com/questions/23617019/…
 
I have just closed that crap
the former....
fits the category IMHO...
"lack of information", i.e. what have you tried?
 
Finding these is really easy, I search for to closed:no score:-8 (or -7, -6 etc) and go to the last page. It's full of such questions.
 
9:25 PM
The problem is a lot of them have up-voted answers.
 
I am even flagging it as non-constructive
 
Do you guys ever talk about things that aren't other users and/or flagging?
 
@GnomeSlice Close reasons.
 
@GnomeSlice We talked about Chester Cheetah briefly.
 
@GnomeSlice: we sometimes discuss KDESlice.
 
9:27 PM
That game is rad
my dad still has it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: those are crap questions, indeed, but IMHO the existing categories fit...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: so far we have seen "duplicate" and "lack of information" types.
 
The lack of information wasn't really lack of information though, it has enough information imo, it's just very localized and low quality.
 
sorry? The OP was giving a task without information what he has tried. That is homework alike task.
 
9:29 PM
Stuff like this question about not understanding C# context. It can be closed as a dupe of "How does scoping work in C#" if there were such a question I guess though.
this is also too localized, but not a dupe and pretty clear.
 
some of these questions lack information what they have tried.
some of them seem to be plain lesson 0 questions, which I am sure SO has duplicates for.
 
@LaszloPapp It doesn't lack sufficient information to diagnose the problem though.
Well, I have to go sleep now, but nice talking to you :)
 
right, I agree, so mayhaps the text can be extended?
not only provide information about the task, but what you have tried, too.
 
Following our chat conversation with Benjamin, I would suggest to extend the "lacks information" close reason with information about what the OP has tried, and not just about "diagnosing the problem", or well, if the current text is supposed to mean that, how about clarifying it?
@hichris123: done
 
9:38 PM
YAY chat is back
 
Anyway, oneboxing is back.
@Braiam ... it was never down.
 
yeah, it has been working. :O
 
@hichris123 login (aka https) was down, and somehow SE logged me out chat
 
Ah.
 
10:38 PM
I have found that using up all your flags on VLQ gets some disputed
By idiots thinking that SO is a help site.
Or that i is correct
or whatever
 
@bjb568 Like what?
 
@bjb568 disputed still can get the answer deleted ;)
 
11:23 PM
@Braiam Oh, yesh.
 
is banning people from review
 
somehow I never get my name in a review :(
 
I think I nicked 10 or 11 of em.
 
Argh! No votes, no closevotes, no flags, no reviews! I feel helpless.
 
Or helpfulless?
something…
 
Nah, helpless is the right word there.
 
But I don't need help. I need to help others. :(
 
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