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1:28 AM
@Stilly.stack Highly tempted to flag as offensively off-topic.
Also, seen on the Related sidebar:
 
 
5 hours later…
@DroidDev you should not closevote these. You should flag them.
 
@JanDvorak oh sorry about wrong tag, I don't have reputation enough for closevote. I have just flagged it.
 
in unrelated news, my bot is running again
(flag-fls) ^
 
12 minutes ago this user was created and asked a question which was spam. after 8 minutes of which another user is created who asks another question, again spam. People are targeting SE for cheap advertisement
 
7:09 AM
@JanDvorak wow it survived 30 minutes, I just now cast the final spam flag
 
please reject this suggested edit: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4806904
 
@JanDvorak not really, they all live in Unicorn Island
And actually MSE got no moderators
@LaszloPapp too late
 
7:12 AM
@LaszloPapp what about him?
 
this guy is going through tags to edit, but what I do not get why he suggets two edits for two separate lines per tag?
suggests
he suggets one line for the excerpt, and one line for the normal
 
@LaszloPapp example?
 
I would reject both as too minor, but especially doing this
and it all gets accepted :(
@ShadowWizard: see the rep history or the activity tab.
 
Saw it. Either innocent mistake since he's not aware he can do both in same edit, or he want double rep on purpose. Can't really know.
 
I would be very surprised provided I gave this explanation before to him
also, it does not require a smart guy to figure out you do not need separate edits for one line and another
I keep rejecting his edits, but others approve it :(
 
one line for each tagwiki? Looks like badge whore behaviour to me.
 
Interesting part is the user asked to delete himself on SO stackoverflow.com/users/2228983/varijkap
 
in tags where he has not participated, and it is all done in one batch
 
@LaszloPapp well, you can flag something and ask moderator to take a look, then the user can be warned. If he'll keep doing it, he might be eventually suspended.
 
I just cannot understand why one would add one line to each tag edited recently.
and nothing more...
sometimes just a link.
and again, in tags to which he has not participated.
how this got approved... I do not know: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4806904
I would think tagwiki suggestions are reviewed by 5K+ users, so they are not robo-reviewers.
apparently, does not hold true.
 
7:18 AM
I guess the approvers don't even know about those tags
they are simply approving the edits, because they think that, if a person is editing those tags, he might be knowing about them
 
that is not a problem so long as it is such a poor edit that does not give much value to the tag usage.
what is the point of the review if you just trust? Skip it.
 
another thing came to my mind from this incident
Reviews to anything should only be given to users, who have participated enough in given tag on post, that is to be reviewed.
 
then the researcher badge could be deleted. :D
yeah, I only edited tags that I actively participate to AFAIR.
hungarians say that it is not worth peeing against the wind.
I feel like that when reviewing suggested edits... I tried to limit it to tagwiki hoping that it is more considerate, but it is the same thing. :-(
 
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Q: Allow reviewer to review only questions related to reviewers' activity

Saullo CastroAs described also in these two other questions: - More aggressive tag match between reviewed question and reviewer activity - Review questions with related tags only The review quality is strongly related to the capability of the reviewer to understand the post. Wouldn't it be valid to allow r...

@LaszloPapp now that is a very smart saying! :)
 
I do not completely agree with Servy to be fair. He says that it would be a bottleneck to get the tag gurus to review, but what if they get notification somehow?
I do not think a guru regularly visiting the site would not then spend a few seconds with it.
also, gurus are usually 20K+ and they will keep the tagwiki up to date, more or less.
 
7:30 AM
another idea
There should be editor info alongwith the edit to be reviewed
this info should be the tags in which the user is mostly active or the info about the activity of user in the tags of the post being edited by the user
I think later suits more
this can give a better idea to reviewer, about, whether, to trust the editor or not. If reviewer is only reviewing based on idea and have no knowledge about the tag.
I got ideas popping out my ears today. Applied three new logics in code since last three hours
 
you can already check that.
I think allowance for only significant contributors can be an issue for not so popular and/or new tags.
but the above example shows that the reviewers have no information about what a tagwiki is supposed to be.
I thought reviewers would leave the robo behavior behind when reaching 5K+ or even earlier.
the funny thing is that when you see a bad post sneaking in with modulo approval, and then in a couple of minutes the revert sneaking in with modulo approval.
 
 
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You need to place the file to some place that is accessible from the internet. Perhaps somewhere near the place where your HTML file is. — Jan Dvorak 9 mins ago
"I have placed my USB drive next to our server. It still doesn't work"
 
@ShadowWizard do they ever reply?
 
10:09 AM
I need to grow a thicker skin. Is there a cream you can buy for that?
 
@JanDvorak who?
 
@ShadowWizard those who post programming questions on MSE
 
Amarula is a cream liqueur from South Africa. It is made with sugar, cream and the fruit of the African marula tree (Sclerocarya birrea) which is also locally called the Elephant tree or the Marriage Tree. It has an alcohol content of 17% by volume. It has had some success at international spirit ratings competitions, winning a gold medal at the 2006 San Francisco World Spirits Competition. History Amarula was first marketed by Southern Liqueur Company of South Africa (the current trademark owners) as a liqueur in September 1989, the Amarula spirit having been launched in 1983. ...
Drink one bottle, put another on your skin and believe me, you won't care for anything anyone will tell you! :D
 
:-P
 
And it's even compatible with your name ;)
 
10:12 AM
lol
 
And for the record, I can testify it is tasty
 
Comments like these make me sad:
@AnnaLear come on, all the reputation is a result of extreme advertising. Someone just promoted this question in a chat room and on meta. Quite common practice to snatch some extra rep, you know. — Your Common Sense 4 hours ago
 
/me looks at author of comment ... shrug
 
@Bart so true
 
And above 20k I care even less. It's not as if you get heaps of privileges you really don't deserve at that point.
 
10:16 AM
Couldn't hold myself, sorry! (added a comment)
 
let the flame wars begin! :-)
 
Oooh, 80 more rep to go on SO until I can really see how crap everything is.
 
@JanDvorak nah, I won't keep it going. And will probably delete my comment anyway soon. :)
@JanDvorak oh, sometimes they do something like "Sorry, a mistake". Sometimes they delete their own question without a comment. But 99% of the times no response.
 
if a question is dissociated from an account, it's still editable right?
 
@AmalMurali of course
 
10:19 AM
Cool
 
Only locked post can't be edited
 
@AmalMurali by whom?
 
@Bart Meta too. Two in one deal!
@JanDvorak by anyone with editing privilege
 
@AmalMurali then yes
 
@AmalMurali but please don't disassociate it, this way people like YCS will win
 
10:19 AM
@AmalMurali yay
 
@ShadowWizard I don't care...
 
heh, YCS sounds like yikes. Funny!
 
I didn't do it for the reps anyway.
 
@AmalMurali have it your way, but it will make me sad. :)
 
I just got so bored seeing the duplicates pop up over and over again. And people answer them with the same copy-pasted content, so I just made a question...
And thought it'd help reduce clutter. But so many people seem to be worried about the reputation I'm getting from it (see the meta comments).
I don't want to be called a rep-whore any more :-P
 
oh, not a member on that site :-(
 
I already have more than 100 accounts
 
:O
@Bart yay, now only 50 more ;P
 
... until tomorrow when serial upvoting will be reversed
 
We shall see ;)
 
10:39 AM
Damn you @mat ... just two more seconds...
 
2 more seconds to what?
 
Until I would have been ready to submit that edit
Ah well, time for lunch
 
Another case of "my question is in another castle".
 
10:55 AM
@Bart I thought you were busy mining rep to reach 10K? ;)
 
@Louis are you typing that cv-pls manually?
 
Oh, finally there is plan to revise the mobile theme!
 
@AmalMurali Yes, I am. I have a tab somewhere with an app/userscript/what have you that I've not bothered installing.
 
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A: No way to tell if a question has been accepted on phone

SklivvzI'm declining this at this time because we're working on a larger mobile design review.

 
@Louis Ah, okay :)
@ShadowWizard Finally!
The current mobile theme ... is not that good.
 
10:58 AM
@AmalMurali it's.. old, and never really got much love or attention from the team.
It looks like they did it just to have something.
It works, but it lacks the "shine" the full site got.
 
I'd like to be able to see both the question and answer on the same page. Now you'll need to switch over. That's a bit ... boring
 
@AmalMurali oh, you're talking about the app. The above is about the mobile theme of the desktop site.
Two different things. :)
 
Oh, i never bothered to check the post :-P
 
lol
since we missed the morning train let's try noon train...
noon!
 
11:06 AM
noon!
 
noon!
lol
 
@DroidDev great, you borked the train :(
 
@ShadowWizard oh!!! sorry :(
can we start a new one?
 
C-C-C-OMBOBREAKER! :(
noon!
 
lol
oh wait
 
11:14 AM
PLS
Okay, I'm starting a new train. NO ONE INTERRUPT.
noon!
 
noon!
 
Fatal Error: primary key violation. One train per day allowed. :-D
Of each type of course. And lol trains are always welcome.
 
let me start one then
lol
 
@balpha you here by any chance?
 
yep
 
11:18 AM
I think I found an eek candiate
This one - what you think @balpha? Eeekable?
Something the team changed on purpose and that broke something that used to work. Isn't this "who moved my cheese" case?
 
The team didn't set out to break that, it's just a side effect of the switch to elastic search. Also, how about not insisting to find questions where you can add irrelevant and unhelpful noise to the title just because?
fwiw, I'd like to have that fixed as well, but I leave that call to Marc, he knows that area better
 
@balpha well, from his response sounds like it's not important enough and personally I agree with him. Maybe worth adding some note in the advanced search documentation though?
 
The ability for a gold-badge owner to close a question with a single vote?
 
203
Q: When did I get close-vote superpowers?

John CondeI just marked this question as a duplicate all by myself. I am not a moderator and I don't think this should be possible. Did I miss something?

 
11:34 AM
Ooh, does that work on MSE as well? goes to close discussions
 
@Bart sure, did you miss chat yesterday?
 
Yep @ShadowWizard. I was knocked out for the day
 
@Bart so you can blame only yourself! I showed off my shiny MSE hammer ;)
 
12:09 PM
Yay
user image
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12:19 PM
@Bart Gefeliciteerd, gefeliciteerd, hiep hiep hoera!
 
Dankjewel :)
Now I think @Lix is supposed to bake me a cake. I remember something like that.
 
.... seems familiar
2 days ago, by GnomeSlice
Today's Listening | Electronica
 
Huh, whoops.
Erm, hold up a sec.
 
:D Oh noez, @GnomeSlice is out of Listenings
 
Yay
 
@Stijn It took me about 5 minutes to read whole sentence and then trying to pronounce it correctly(which I am still not able to do). Then I realized I can use translator. (idea)
 
Fun fact: if you can pronounce the first two words without doing damage to your vocal cords, then you are eligible for a Dutch passport @DroidDev
 
Gah, I am missing something.
 
Where did you last have it @MartijnPieters?
 
12:32 PM
Why is this search (searching for url:"ga-beacon.appspot.com/UA-*") not returning this question?
 
@Bart 10k Party!
 
I want to remove those pesky trackers..
 
because * ... remove it and it works
Don't ask why
 
@Bart I demand at-least one and half liters of coffee before my first attempt.
 
@MartijnPieters because it's not URL, it's inline code. This search does work. :)
 
12:36 PM
I was sure I had used it for imgurl searches before.
Thanks, @Shadow.
 
That first search still only finds the answer, not the question post.
 
Or you can move to Belgium @DroidDev, and avoid all those pesky G sounds
 
It is the question post that contains the image reference.
@ShadowWizard No, that one only finds the other answer that actually uses a link.
The question post contains a 1-pixel tracking image.
I want to find those.
In context of this:
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Q: Is it appropriate to add third-party tracking scripts to individual questions and answers?

John BensinOn several sites (SO, Money), a user has added third-party tracking beacons to both questions and answers. Should this behavior be encouraged, discouraged, or left alone?

This question should really be moved to Meta.SO.
 
Lix
I heard my name being called....
@Bart - firing up the oven as we speak :P
 
12:44 PM
Yay :)
 
where's party at?
 
1:14 PM
@MartijnPieters Ah, I knew I had come across that user doing that before: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252749/…
 
Hrmz.
Gah, cannot save a SEDE query if it times out?
 
No, only because we don't distinguish between the timeout and any other sort of your-fault type error.
There are some improvements to be made in that area
 
I ran it for a different site now; trying to find a good way to limit the query and still get meaningful results.
 
1:53 PM
@Bart thats not a solution, in any time after some years someone can save it using wrong encoding. — Fabricio 54 secs ago
^^ Is it just me, or should he just require that they save their files with a proper encoding?
 
@Bart I normally enforce UTF-8 on all my projects
 
Exactly. You don't really want to use the "it should just work with anything" approach there, I'd say.
 
explicitly and implicitly
 
2:07 PM
hey everyone !
 
Something just occurred to me
most of the crap questions I read these days on SO seem to be by non-english speakers
i wonder if we actually have done a good job of showing native english speakers things like "how to ask" etc.
but non-native english speakers generally speaking don't take the energy to understand the help messages that are presented to them
nor do they want to read through the "related questions" side bar
 
@durron597 do you know that in average native english speakers has more grammatical and spelling mistakes than a non-native speakers?
 
Each and every user is lead through plenty of material before asking anything on the site @durron597. And then again, I've seen plenty of material from users who I thought were non-native English speakers ...
 
@Braiam I'm not talking about non-native, fluent english speakers
I'm talking about proficient english speakers that know just enough to muddle through
@Bart That's exactly my point
Fluent english speakers are able to at least skim all that without much effort
 
And you think they actually read it?
 
2:13 PM
but someone with the level of english skills i'm talking about might be like "ugh i can't read all this i have to solve my problem right now"
 
@durron597 and I'm saying that you are not focusing in the real problem, people independently their language skills don't read the documentation
 
@Braiam whoa there cowboy, relax
It's just a theory
 
Example question asked by a non-native speaker:
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Q: preg_replace_callback explications for $matches

Ramjjust a question about this function, $matches it's an array where we can found all repetition about the subject or that's wrong ? Thanks.

 
Maybe I'm completely wrong
@AmalMurali Obviously there will be exceptions on both sides
 
another example of the opposite side of spectrum:
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Q: Get specifics elements of a xml output in python

BraiamI'm getting some problems to get this part of the code, that I get from yourself. Here is my code: import cStringIO import pycurl from xml.etree import ElementTree _API_KEY = 'my api key' _ima = '/the/path/to/a/image' sock = cStringIO.StringIO() upl = pycurl.Curl() values = [ ("k...

 
2:15 PM
Well I just saw this:
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Q: question mark colon switch case

Davidepublic Boolean prendiTessera(TipoTerreno tipo) { switch(tipo){ case PIANURA: tesserePianura != 4 ? tesserePianura++ : return false; case CAMPAGNA: tessereCampagna != 4 ? tessereCampagna++ : return false; case MONTAGNA: tessereMontagna != 4 ? tessereMontagna++ : return false; ...

 
And ...
It's just a poor question. Language doesn't have much to do with it, it seems.
 
Gosh maybe I'm wrong, that's why I'm asking about it in chat, if you all think I'm wrong then I probably am
 
I'm not saying you're wrong about the non-native speakers. I'm saying you're wrong about the native ones. They are equally as horrible and don't read a thing either. Who reads the small print? Blabla info bla, now let me ask my question.
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:)
 
It just makes intuitive sense to me that people who are weak in English are less likely to read the help documentation or follow links to "related posts" than those who are fluent
 
Each and every user who asks their first question is lead through stackoverflow.com/questions/ask/advice
 
2:20 PM
@durron597 we are trying to tell you that nobody reads the documentation. It doesn't matter their language skills. I've seen people that really tries to ask a good question and people that just don't care.
 
They all have to explicitly acknowledge at the bottom that they have read and understood the information @durron597.
Yet there are still plenty of users on Meta who will argue that we never told them a thing
 
It's like "Terms and Agreement" when we install software. Does anybody actually ever read it?
I just check the box and get it done.
 
Imagine if we had a timer, you couldn't click "continue" until enough time to read the help pages had gone by</sarcasm but maybe a little serious>
 
You know what would happen @durron597? People would wait out the timer.
 
they would probably take that time to tweet "Ugh StackOverflow is so slow #stupid #imgoingtoanothersite"
 
2:23 PM
Yeah, at most we'd get Meta complaints
 
And maaaaaybe Yahoo answers might see a spike in their traffic :-P
 
totally related
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Q: How to design for people not willing to learn?

uxfelixDuring quite a few usability tests in the past I have noticed the following: A test person gets a simple task to achieve. Lets say "Book a flight from A to C via B". He should then fulfill the task using the product (in this case a website). After less than two minutes the test person started to...

@durron597 I think that will explain the human behavior on the site ^, bottom line, people will be people
 
I'd +1 that if i had an account on UX
 
People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.
 
> This happens when they care about the task. When they want to do it, they take their time to do it properly. When they don't want to do it, they don't concentrate on it.
 
2:28 PM
I guess it's like: what is the goal, quality information shared by quality askers and answerers, or breaking into the top 50 alexa ranking?
can you have both?
 
yeah, because of that we can close and delete questions that just don't meet the quality standards
 
No, you can't have both @durron597. And the more you try to achieve the first, the faster you'll reach the second. "Ooh, that's where the experts are ..."
 
Gah, why did Lance Roberts reopen the image tracking post?
Even the OP agrees it is a dupe.
Oh, cool, close hammer.
 
@MartijnPieters what am I supposed to robo-reclose?
 
Nothing, already dealt with.
 
2:32 PM
i've gotta say, superpowers are making me want to bite the bullet and get my java gold badge. way more than 10k tools make me want to get another 2k rep
 
heh, abusing of your shinny gold badge @MartijnPieters :P
 
My gold badge in helped.
Only because Lance did! :-P
 
btw, I like the feedback that informs me that you used it
 
Note to self: applies to reopen votes too.
 
time to grind a bit more in [javascript]. Or to add that tag to random highly-voted questions I've answered.
 
2:34 PM
heh, the nearest I'm from that is in AU for the apt tag
 
/me waits for Lance to complain about abuse of Gold badge close voting
 
@MartijnPieters sure it applies! :)
 
@ShadowWizard Yup, but it's easy to forget when reviewing reopen votes in the queue.
 
@MartijnPieters true. Maybe worth adding some warning e.g. "Note! Your vote is going to be binding"?
 
why to be afraid? Don't you all keep track of all badges you have?
I mean, I know I have a hammer when I have a hammer, is heavy enough
 
2:38 PM
Just noticed what appears to be new Windows 7 feature
 
@ShadowWizard new? that's been bugging the crap out of me for years at this point
 
Yeah, that's not new
And has cost me significant simulation time in the past
 
@ShadowWizard I always turn that off in Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Windows Update\Change settings\Important updates
 
can you guys reopen this question stackoverflow.com/questions/21808188/… it seems I did wrong here in a flow earlier
 
"download updates but let me choose whether to install them"
it's literally the first thing i do on any new install
WHO UPVOTES THESE QUESTIONS
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Q: Overriding a variable in Java?

user3605683I have to implement class Vase which has different types of flowers. Every type of flower has specified weight. public class Vase { int weight=0; void Put (Flower a) { weight+=a.w; } void Remove (Flower a) { weight-=a.w; } int getTotalPrice() { ...

I downvoted it and it still has a positive score
 
2:42 PM
Questions from a new user. Review queue. Upvoting is a valid review action.... voila
 
haha:
marked as duplicate by durron597, Jon Skeet 2 mins ago
 
> marked as duplicate by durron597, Jon Skeet
 
it seems these days i spend so much time close voting that i never actually answer anything to get my own super powers
 
I never dedicate more than 1 hour to moderating the site
 
@ShadowWizard I remember that... I haven't seen it since I switched to Windows 8
 
2:47 PM
btw, why people go out of their way to add <br> tags
 
@Braiam Well I actually want to answer things. But the problem is everything I click on turns out to be garbage
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@durron597 which is why I only answer what comes to me from other people or old upvoted questions
 
@durron597 yeah, wonder if Jon Skeet noticed his new Power
@Bart oh, lol, never noticed! I let Windows restart itself for updates but assumed it's doing it only at night. I don't work directly on a server so don't really care.
 
@ShadowWizard Great fun when you forget about it, let your simulation run "for the weekend" and only discover on Monday morning it did not make it past Friday night.
 
2:51 PM
@Bart reminds me of my time at amdocs where we had to find how to disable auto sleep on the servers. It was nasty thing to override!
 
Yeah, that's why i always turn it off
 
 
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4:54 PM
why did this user delete the question? :O stackoverflow.com/questions/23660596/…
I voted for undelete personally. Feel free to join me there.
 
@LaszloPapp admittedly my rep is too low to see deleted stuff, but my instinct is that if a user wants to delete their own question, they should be able to?
I mean, unless someone wrote an answer to it that got upvoted.
 
In which case they can't delete it to begin with
 
Three answers with the same link-only content within such a short while? Feels spammy? — Laszlo Papp 7 secs ago
@durron597: it was a question submitted, and relatively valid.
 
@Bart Right, and I agree with that policy
 
I wanted to answer it, but I left a comment.
I think the user got the answer, but the information is now lost.
it is a pity.
 
5:04 PM
@LaszloPapp just reask the question with other content, and more fleshed out and answer it yourself :P
 
I would prefer undeletion.
 
@durron597: what about it? I know that thread inside and out ;)
 
Yeah @LaszloPapp, spam
^^ just visit that. Not Jimmy, now is it?
 
I dunno, I'm in the school that if you can answer a question with one or two sentences, do so. They don't always need to be long and fleshed out
 
5:07 PM
@Bart: sorry, but I am refusing to use facebook. ;)
@durron597: I was not sure.
 
Hehe, no problem. But that's the same guy @LaszloPapp. And owner of the company.
 
I marked the first NAA
 
Heh, I also am in the camp that if you are 80% sure of an answer to a problem, provide it, and then edit if you turn out to be wrong
 
and incidentally checked his profile and marked the other two as spam.
but again, my downvotes may be reversed ;)
and I might get suspended :D
@durron597: I was less than 80% sure.
 
I marked all 3 of them as spam. Cause that's what it is.
 
5:10 PM
@LaszloPapp okay :)
 
while you are at it, please mark facebook as spam, too.
 
I have a golden nonsense badge there @LaszloPapp. I'll close it.
 
@LaszloPapp ?
 
And the answers are gone. Good.
 
5:11 PM
and arguably, his question is off-topic, but I will leave it with him.
 
Puzzling launches May 20th
Seekret
 
@Bart: ah, you became a 10K+ thingie
 
Yep. I've been a thingie for a long time, but not a 10k one
 
anyone knows how is this problem called?
 
Australia?
 
5:20 PM
@Bart: well, you may lose that status based on the upvotes today
 
We'll see. Still will be close enough then
 
destroy while it lasts.
well, it seems the close votes are still hard to tackle with
 
5:35 PM
Hello @all
I am having issues with my careers 2.0 profile
 
Hi
 
I can't seem to grant any invitations, but my completedness is 170
It says I should be able to grant invitations once I am above 150. Is there anything I am missing?
 
Hmm, did you just get above 150?
 
completedness?
Did someone introduce a new metric while I was looking the other way?
 
Yeah, the more info you add, the higher your score @Louis
 
5:41 PM
Oh, ok.
Yeah, I never bothered with that.
And I missed the earlier chat line about "careers 2.0 profile"
 
More coffee @Louis
But as with a lot of things, I'm guessing "caching" might be the answer @tjons. That is, if you just now got above 150.
 
5:59 PM
If a question asked in 2008 can be closed under a reason today, should I VTC? (I'm giving tag burnination a go)
 
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