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heh

Have you already noticed? The websocket server is dead. Baba go!

I assume it will get fixed, but should I implement a polling fallback in case the websocket goes dead again?

Qantas 94 Heavy

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4559832

reject please

also this

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4559834

9:22 AM

done for the first, but the second got rejected by the community.

@Qantas94Heavy: it got removed on mathoverflow, and I am flagging the stackoverflow spam, too.

perhaps other reason would have been slightly better than flagging it as spam, but I guess the difference is not big, and the point is the same.

any idea when the websocket server gets fixed?

9:36 AM

Morning....

which timezone?

CET

GMT-1

hmm... it's already been morning here, but the websockets still don't work.

here 3:10 PM

GMT+1 btw...silly me

That explains why I always turnup at the wrong time at meetings

Q: Native methods for 3D graphics in Qt

9:43 AM

-1

Maybe someone knows, If there are any native methods for drawing 3D graphics in Qt? I mean not OpenGl and not Qt3D (because, if I`m not mistaken, Qt3d is based on OpenGL, which is not native for Qt).

unclear cv, unless someone can explain the question to me...

do spam flagged posts come up in the low-quality queue?

@LaszloPapp I don't think so....

@LaszloPapp left a comment as well

@rene: can you elaborate on your comment?

do spams come up in the moderation tools at least?

it would be nice if they could also be handled by the community easily.

e.g. this did not require moderator involvement: stackoverflow.com/questions/23028244/…

I suppose it matters on which OS the native stuff is needed? That is not in the question and I suppose and IBM S36 has an OS the OP probably doesn't use...

(this would come up in the extreme downvotes though)

So I basically expect him to respond: No, it is for my mac os

9:49 AM

what OS do you mean, and why do you think Qt works on custom OS? :)

The OS is SSP and I don't expect Qt to run on that...

bookmarked for deletion in two days

my backlog is quite long though and I do not have enough delete votes to get through all of them :)

@LaszloPapp: spam flags only show in diamond mod tools, not 10k flags or other reviews AFAIK (not directly anyway - a lot of them might very well trigger the low quality filter, and first post criteria too)

that is a pity because the extreme downvotes are not checked that regularly, I think.

And no need to track that question. Closed, negative score, no answer -> automatic deletion will kick in unless it's edited.

9:56 AM

@Mat: I do not see that happening... I go through my back log, and there are many questions like that still just closed, sadly.

OTOH, spams are better handled by mods since they can also delete the account if needed.

@Mat: stackoverflow.com/questions/22982244/…

no positive scores in answers, still not deleted.

A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

105

Just to formally document the exact policies we have in place to remove old abandoned / dead questions, the Community user will delete questions in the following circumstances: If the question is more than 30 days old, and ... has −1 or lower score has no answers is not locked ...or... it ...

Takes 9 days minimum for auto-delete

Right, but that means if the OP selects the answer, it will not be deleted in 9 days.

(or ever for that matter unless the answer is deleted first)

but yes, you are right about the former, that would get deleted if it does not get edits and/or upvotes.

it is interesting to see that the number of unanswered questions is growing, at least in the tags where I participate, from time to time.

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23028479/…

10:11 AM

@rene: the OP's reply confused me more. :P

Yeah, well that doesn't ring a bell...nor for me or the OP...

Left a comment to come up with some code, maybe we understand the complex reasoning by then...

A: File Handling and Arraylists error

ok :)

-2

Excellent post! I must thank you for this informative read. I hope you will post again soon. Kind regards http://amsindia.net

right, I flagged it as NAA, but it is a spam imho, considering also the profile description.

10:28 AM

Also flagged the answer on EE of that same account

ah, ok.

NUKE account please electronics.stackexchange.com/users/40276/ams-india

A: Can anyone give me some examples of magento multistore?

-2

http://www.pureherbalcure.com - this is a multi store magento install working in 8 different countries on different sub-domains.

not sure if that whole thread makes sense.

I voted for closure.

Our friend has updated his post. It is now about a 3d scene...still without code...

10:44 AM

:D

What is on pointer press stackoverflow.com/questions/23028200/…

Is it a mouse click? Or a kind of swipe?

11:04 AM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23026994/…

heh, the duplicate is closed and -2 :D

Yeah, that user is just...well help vampire? Not listening?

ThiefMaster

11:28 AM

Well, I don't think he's going to post more questions with all those downvotes..

A: Sleep Cycle Alarm Clock Windows Phone 7

12:33 PM

-1

I have not found any resolve to non functioning issues with Sleep Cycle Alarm Clock. This is sold in the Windows App store for $1.99 it does not work at all! I have music in/on the phone! Phone is a Windows 8.0 phone!My Nokia Lumia is supposed to meet the hardware/software requirements to use thi...

offensive or just NAA?

let us use NAA...

-3

A: From iPhone Camera To Remote Server, Real-Time Streamming

My name is Vanessa, the founder of the app Pedro and i are developing, therefore i felt it was only right that i too express my immense gratefulness and appreciation for your very detailed and kind attention to our problem. I can say that this probably means so much more to us than it would do an...

NAA

spaaaaam

How is that spam? What's it advertising?

Yeah, don't get spam. Would say NAA

what?

'Agape Missions in Cambodia to help stop the "Hub of the worlds evil child sex slavery" along side individual charitable help we will give to individuals and their troubled families any where else in the world, where we can access face to face, so that we know every penny is spent entirely on the cause and not in administration costs and BIG CEO salaries!'

what does it have to do with everything on stack overflow?

12:39 PM

Nothing. So NAA

It is spam in disguise if you ask me....

Whatever it is, as long as it's nuked I don't care

perhaps we need a new moderator attention category.

"have nothing to do with anything on the site"

there are many such posts, sadly.

A "saywut?" flag

Q: Does SE track me on my email account?

strictly speaking, this is not spam either:

stackoverflow.com/questions/23028244/…

but still had to be burnt ASAP

I would not like to type the reason into the other all the time...

Aditya Patil

12:44 PM

What more am I supposed to explain?

-5

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website_visitor_tracking before continuing Lets start with an nice image from here. In this image, every dot represents a site. A bigger dot means the site is tracking my behavior(in other words, "tracking my online footprints" or simply "tracking me") on ...

support user-accounts architecture tracking

Myeah, if it's one of those "nothing good is ever going to come from this" accounts, a spam flag when it's not strictly spam is not all that bad

Like for those Indian hackers and such

:D

cv-pls-unclear stackoverflow.com/questions/23029772/…

You won't accept "a buch of key value pairs" as an answer @rene?

If you post that as an answer I'll give you the rep...

12:49 PM

Not sure if positive or negative

There is only one way to find out....mwahahahaha

1:12 PM

I always assumed that the body of the envelope did matter but based on this it makes sense to ONLY send an envelope?

2:11 PM

here some close votes stackoverflow.com/questions/23031393/… and maybe give an upvote on the competing answer on the dup.

STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!

4

Q: Tools for analyzing C++ function invoking relation?

2:48 PM

0

I want to analyzing the code of an OpenSource project. The function invoking is very complex for that it uses a lot of similar function and store them into some function pointer, making it is impossible for static checking. I wonder if there is some tools can gives the invoking relation.

c++ open-source software-tools

@Bart: PLEASE CLOSE IT

DONE!

Q: Qt - Expanding layout to maximum size in Dock Widget

THANKS!!!!!111

0

I'm working on little CAD like program for our indie game project. I already have nicely working form with a bunch of widgets and so on. But one thing is bothering me. I'm using DockWidgets and inside these i have QTableWidget and empty Horizontal layout as container waiting for my OpenGLWindow ...

qt qt5 qwidget qdockwidget qlayout

please reject the edit

(I do not know how to get a direct link to it)

@rene: we lost.

Lol. Good morning.

3:12 PM

@rene: our friend is back with a different question....

0

Q: Evolution of QtOpengl

As I understand, there were no modules in early Qt versions, there were separate classes with different functions, including graphical. Opengl support was realized In qt 1.2. However, QPainter, QImage existed in early versions. So, is it correct to say that these classes are native (in other wor...

qt 2d qtopengl

Uh...

I'm lost.

I think he means software rasterization by native.

because he keeps repeating "non-opengl" 2/3D.

That OP needs some evolution with regard to asking a question

first I thought he would mean interacting directly with the display drivers, but that would probably be beyond his league....

hehe

Your guess is probably better as mine because I'm a noob on Qt and imaging

3:16 PM

let us please him with an answer...

answer submitted...

A: How to pick a new color for each plotted line within a figure in matplotlib?

3:40 PM

3

Here's an answer to a similar question: How do I make bar plots automatically cycle across different colors?

I cannot flag it as low-quality; that is a pity.

need a couple of downvotes :)

3:58 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/1197228/2581872

@rene, my god, the friend now introduced the term "foreign" for opengl. :D

That explains everything... ?!?!?

:)

What's with all the seemingly nonsensical updates that move away from the question you originally seemed to be asking? This is quickly going from a duplicate to something I'd consider deleting. — Bart 38 secs ago

^^^ is anyone getting what's happening here?

See the edit history

oh, fun, displayed names can be changed, but the corresponding @foo does not change ...

4:03 PM

Yep

@Bart I saw that question earlier and couldn't make much sense of it.

I had to read it a couple of times to determine it was not me lacking coffee

It looks like he added some sort of mild rant to it, 2 weeks later. It's kinda weird.

Yeah, about a completely unrelated topic

Q: To sort many large objects or structures,

-7

To sort many large objects or structures, the most efficient way would be: a) Place reference to them in an array and sort the array. b) Place them in a linked list and sort the linked list. c) Place pointers to them is an array and sort the array. d) Place them in an array and so...

c++

4:06 PM

@Bart It reads like an area51 proposal

Option e: print them out on paper, throw the stack in the air. Determine if landing order is sorted. If not, try again. @LaszloPapp

He has a verbosity issue that fuzzies whatever he's trying to say there.

He wants a site to post off-topic questions which might become on-topic in the (near) future

I went with a rollback. Let's see what happens

@Bart: :D

4:09 PM

If the OP were to state his choice and motivate his reasoning, should we consider that on-topic though @LaszloPapp? I was about to make such a comment, but I'm not sure it would be a good question anyway.

no idea, I cannot vote for closure anyway.

I was thinking rollback too but didn't really want to get involved in this can of worms.

I do @JasonC. Hmmmm worms!

Oh I'll eat the worms. I just don't want to touch the can.

@Doorknob I have to have an Instagram to test my app. :(

4:14 PM

^^ specifically for you @JasonC

Nice! Jumps in the box

@hichris123 you don't have an Instagram? Then how do you show everybody what you're eating?

"Oooh, he's eating sepia sushi"

@Bart I do have one, but it's only for testing.

@hichris123 ^ Seriously. Also how do you expect anybody to know what your cat looks like?

I don't take pictures of what I eat. :P

@JasonC ... I don't have a cat. :P

4:18 PM

I'm pretty sure it's a violation of Instagram's TOS to not take pictures of what you're eating at least 3 times per week.

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A: Structure of a python GUI project built with gtk?

-1

Tutorial

Ah, don't you love link-only answers. :P

Trying to catch up with it on the way out turns out to be a violation of their TOS as well @JasonC.

@JasonC rofl

@hichris123 I just saw that one in the review queue. Classic.

@JasonC Indeed. :D

4:24 PM

Sometimes I wish the canned review comments used some discretion based on post age, though.

I'd have to dig it up but I remember coming across an answer in the queue once that had 2 built-in canned responses plus 2 or 3 other "not an answer" responses, and the answer was 5 years old and the OP's account no longer existed. Kind of silly.

in Game Development on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 10 mins ago, by rolfl

There was nothing of any value in that chat room.

Good morning all!

So how does he get to decide what everyone finds to have value?

Hi @GnomeSlice @BlueIce

:/

@JasonC Hello. =]

A: Structure of a python GUI project built with gtk?

4:29 PM

-2

Tutorial

haha, concise enough

Look back the transscript...

@Gnome hi!

@BlueIce Hello. :)

Some mod just went through the queue. :P

Today's Listening

4:31 PM

@Gnome sorry, I guess the mod hasn't been especially constructive :)

@JasonC whazzup?

Now he's lurking in the new room somebody made on the SO network to make sure nobody posts anything that offends him.

@BlueIce I dropped my coffee on the sidewalk right after I bought it this morning -- same sadness as usual :''(

A: Is there any standard implementation of the "trivial constraint", or "object class"?

-2

No. (Body must be at least 30 characters.)

sigh

@hichris123: yes, bill.

@JasonC Well, at least the sidewalk got something out of it ;)

4:34 PM

@LaszloPapp Ah, of course, the Lizard. :P

Doorknob

@hichris123 D:

Lol @BlueIce

@JasonC :'''( but you didn't.

@GnomeSlice sure

@Shog9 I used the contact form already.

4:43 PM

Good for you

Is that correct?

@GnomeSlice yes

Now, send me your mailing address.

I wish to send you a teddy bear and a sharpened stick.

6

?

@Shog9 That should just be an automatic free gift for everybody that creates an account here.

Turns out the site was not as cool as I wanted it to be.

4:52 PM

@JasonC story of my life

Is static codeanalysis that much changed in VS2012?

May I ask the downvoter to raise the issue with the post? It is possible that the post or the downvoter is mistaken, but knowing about it either way is better than having a no-value downvote. I would appreciate it, so would probably some other future readers. — Laszlo Papp 3 mins ago

is this fair enough?

@rene Are you talking about stackoverflow.com/questions/38635/…? Looks like it was locked but left open for collaboration. Seems like a great resolution.

Tnx I'll have a look...

@rene Oh, did you just randomly ask that? Cause I was referring to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/229248/… which just happened. I thought you were too. That's kind of funny. (By "resolution" I meant resolution to the meta discussion).

5:01 PM

@JasonC No, I have this going on and I don't understand the enviroment the OP is using...

I get the constant few unexplained downvotes daily :)

@rene Oh sorry; I assumed you were talking about that meta discussion + static analysis tools question (we were discussing if the answer was obsolete, incidentally). Nevermind.

It is ok. Thanks for the link!

@hichris123: write an answer as "Yes (Body must be at least 30 characters.)"

@LaszloPapp rofl

5:20 PM

reject-pls stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4561699

too late.. rollback?

It looks like an invalid edit

@JanDvorak What the heck. I saw that in the edit review before I saw you post it here and figured it was a sure case for a reject.

already fixed

Somebody beat you to the rollback

rofl

Yes, Instagram is down. But don't panic, there are plenty of other ways to share your delicious brunch with everyone.

Tweeted by engadget on April 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM

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5:29 PM

HAHA

@hichris123 L. O. L. That's so perfect.

Hey fellows !

@TGMCians Hey

@LaszloPapp no.

It's just noise

If you honestly think there might be a problem with your post, solicit criticism.

Don't just ask people to reveal their votes for your amusement, no matter how politely.

3

cv-pls 1 vote - stackoverflow.com/questions/23033809/…

oh closed

5:38 PM

All right all right.

> -1 because I love serial-downvoting you

@JasonC be nice

Just stop it @JasonC

Jeez, can't a guy have just one person to direct his unwarranted angst at around here?

we should hold an election for that

Who should be The Tavern goat?

I nominate @JasonC

3ventic's Shadow

5:43 PM

Goat?

I don't like goats.

I accept that nomination with great honor.

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/4561780

gee, I wonder if that was perhaps copy-pasted from another answer?

\o

o/

5:50 PM

@Shog9 ... did we ever elect an official Tavern Josh?

Yeah, Tim.

@Bart Which? :P

The one that's Josh

... which is?

Tavern Josh.

5:54 PM

cv-pls Go stackoverflow.com/questions/23033962/…

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23033983/…

@Shog9: meh.

@Shog9: you want to delete this, then, too:

@downvoters please explain. This question is turning into the Bermuda Triangle of unexplained downvotes despite the fact that it has an accepted answer. Curious really. — EJP Sep 9 '13 at 6:18

(just one of the million comments like that, have fun with the clean up work :) )

following your logic, SO is "full of noise", then.

^

@LaszloPapp Yep it is. So don't add to it

@LaszloPapp everyone knows that

@Bart: meh, you were one of the big advocates when this was discussed when I did flag such comments. Perhaps, I could look up your reply that "it is completely fine if it is polite".

@Shog9: everyone knows that, but no one wanna fix it? :O

A: @Downvoter sends a notification to all downvoters for your post

6:06 PM

@LaszloPapp priorities

67

I've thought more about this, and frankly... I don't like the idea of leaving a comment for down-voters at all, with or without notification. Down-voting isn't supposed to open a dialog - new users are encouraged to comment when down-voting, but it's not mandatory - and if they don't feel the nee...

priorities of what

@LaszloPapp we has them

what to do with a Saturday morning?

honestly, shouldn't need to re-hash the last 4 years of MSO in chat.

the problem is your prejudice. Yikes, it includes reasoning, so it must be overly crap even if it is significantly different a proposal. There are several factors that could do the migration smooth (I found at least 4).

btw, I am not sure about that meta thread in this context... I have never said notification should be sent to the downvoters.

Braiam

anyone knows about a post about tagging based on the answers instead of the questions?

Also, I smell some discrimation that it was removed in my case, but not in the aforementioned other. This makes it feel personal.