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3:00 PM

Two days is a pretty long-running connection

@JanDvorak One of the client machines (that does nothing else but run the client app) has 22 gigabytes received in 12 days of uptime

we restart the client app at least once a day anyway fwiw

Jan Dvorak

so, about 2 GiB until it drops out?

durron597

12 days includes 4 days of weekend so really 8 days

so maybe more like 3?

Lynn Crumbling

Clearly you're hitting signed int.MaxValue (grin)

durron597

fwiw we usually have two client computers running at once for redundancy, and the only time they both drop is when there's some other problem (like during a thunderstorm)

Jan Dvorak

3:03 PM

If the connection regularly drops after exactly 2 GiB of data, it's likely an issue with a TCP implementation, either on the client or on the server.

... or a crappy ISP that resets all your connections when it credits you more data

durron597

i don't think so, because we usually start both clients at around the same time and they don't drop around the same time

Jan Dvorak

do they transmit the same amount of data?

durron597

for example, we restarted both yesterday at the end of day, and one of them dropped an hour ago but the other did not

yes... but the machine that's been up for 12 days has only transmitted about 1GB

it's RECEIVED 22

Jan Dvorak

ISPs like to cash in for received data...

durron597

for what it's worth - i have no idea if this is normal or not

sometimes i ssh into the server machine and then leave it open and forget about it

without fail, if i leave the ssh open for long enough, the tty window freezes

Lynn Crumbling

3:07 PM

cv-pls ot-hw stackoverflow.com/q/26234957/656243

Jan Dvorak

Could be just random drop-outs. 1% packet loss * 3 retries * (1 000 000 packets ~ 1.5 GB) = decent probability of a connection loss.

durron597

and if i leave that open even longer, it eventually quits with Connection Reset by Peer

@JanDvorak That's what I think it is. However, my boss doesn't like "I think it's random dropouts"

Lynn Crumbling

Are subnet mask calculations ot for SO? Seems like ServerFault material.

durron597

he wants "I know it's random dropouts because" or "I fixed it"

@LynnCrumbling Network engineering beta?

Lynn Crumbling

@durron597 See stackoverflow.com/q/26232883/656243

Jan Dvorak

3:10 PM

@durron597 record wireshark data for that IP. Several retries just before the drop out = random connectivity dropout

Stijn

^sounds like the best thing to do

Jan Dvorak

recording the TCP headers is sufficient to verify TCP disconnects.

durron597

@JanDvorak Is wireshark free? My coworker mentioned it but then said it wasn't free

Jan Dvorak

it is

Wireshark

Wireshark is a free and open-source packet analyzer. It is used for network troubleshooting, analysis, software and communications protocol development, and education. Originally named Ethereal, in May 2006 the project was renamed Wireshark due to trademark issues. Wireshark is cross-platform, using the GTK+ widget toolkit in current releases, and Qt in the development version, to implement its user interface, and using pcap to capture packets; it runs on GNU/Linux, OS X, BSD, Solaris, some other Unix-like operating systems, and Microsoft Windows. There is also a terminal-based (non-GUI) version...

the only downside is that it produces a ton of data.

durron597

Oh maybe he was talking about a riverbed product he has

my development machine has a 3 TB hard drive

Ok, I have enough threads now that I can attempt to untie the knot myself the rest of the way

thanks everyone especially @JanDvorak

Jan Dvorak

3:16 PM

storage isn't much of an issue - you can do a rolling log - but what's your hard drive's bandwidth?

g2g, bye

Unihedron

Bye @Jan!

durron597

the 3TB is a 7200 RPM HDD, i also have an SSD but it's only 118 and runs the OS

Lynn Crumbling

cv-pls ot-networking stackoverflow.com/q/26229300/656243

cv-pls ot-software stackoverflow.com/q/26212951/656243

cv-pls ot-networking stackoverflow.com/q/26206811/656243

Jan Dvorak

@LynnCrumbling um... so... what site do you recommend for @durron597, then?

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak If it's a networking issue, ServerFault perhaps. It's tough; his question involves an application that he wrote that is actively trying to establish a connection. I might say it's on-topic for SO if's it is framed in the context of code with data. How do go about proving that it is NOT the code? CodeReview?

@JanDvorak That MTU one is definitely ot, but I'm not convinced that @durron597 's is.

Patrick Hofman

3:23 PM

flag as naa: stackoverflow.com/questions/26238183/unittesting-tradeoffs/…

Lynn Crumbling

@PatrickHofman done.

Patrick Hofman

@LynnCrumbling: I see. Thanks.

Jan Dvorak

@LynnCrumbling codereview requires correctness, it doesn't decide correctness.

2

@LynnCrumbling inclusion of code makes the question OT-MCVE

Unihedron

@PatrickHofman dv-pls naa link

Patrick Hofman

@Unihedron: Done that. Am through my delete votes... ARghhh.

Jan Dvorak

3:25 PM

ok.. not SO. But where, then?

Unihedron

lol aww

Patrick Hofman

@Unihedron: He helped himself :)

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak I guess I'd lean towards SO for his issue. If it was my code, I'd probably try to make an app that monitors the connection and prove that it wasn't my code. If you can prove that the issue is network-related, then you can rule out your code. So I've just made a full circle. Where does that leave me? SO? ServerFault?

Vogel612

@LynnCrumbling networking is definitely off-limits to SO..

if you can prove it isn't your code, then it's most probably not suited for SO, if it isn't a compiler bug or similar...

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak I guess I'd introduce the question to SO after I've proved that the connection is good.

Jan Dvorak

3:28 PM

Probe the network -> if network works, ask how to debug, if network fails, have your boss ask how network works?

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak sounds good.

Jan Dvorak

::poof::

durron597

3:52 PM

At this point I'm not going to post it at all, @JanDvorak helped me adequately

If/when I get stuck again, I'll have enough more information that the target site is clear

"My code drops packets. Here's an MCVE." - SO

"My connection drops packets even in a heartbeat connection" - SF or NEb

Undo

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 35 secs ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 3bad799 (owned by Undo)

I wonder if this is a bad omen

Vogel612

@Undo hey it's better than having a ConcurrentModificationException somewhere deep deep down in hibernate or jboss or solder or ...

Undo

Ewww

that doesn't sound fun

Vogel612

it isn't...

SmokeDetector

4:31 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected, Phone number detected: +91-9950211818 vashikaran specialist in chandigarh on english.stackexchange.com

Vogel612

spam english.stackexchange.com/questions/200273

rene

why does smokey post twice?

ProgramFOX

@rene We are discussing that in the Charcoal room :D

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

!!/alive?

@rene kinda sorta

@rene plz send teh coffee

rene

4:34 PM

It's running two instances?

Undo

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo plz send teh coffee

Undo

...

that's weird :P

rene

it behaves when you are around...

Undo

@rene try it again

rene

4:35 PM

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@rene ... did I miss something?

@rene You doubt me?

Undo

rofl

!!/alive?

Unihedron

ha?

SmokeDetector

@Undo ... did I miss something?

@Undo plz send teh coffee

Undo

ah, that's better

yay for confirmation

Frank

4:36 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26240005/…

Undo

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Yup

Undo

@rene try it again

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Of course

@Undo plz send teh coffee

Undo

drat

rene

4:38 PM

!!/alive?

@rene kinda sorta

Now it behaves

!!/alive?

@ProgramFOX Of course

@ProgramFOX You doubt me?

rene

Yes

Undo

4:39 PM

huh, I thought I got it that time

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo plz send teh coffee

@Undo watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

Undo

... grrr

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Yup

@Undo watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

rene

@Undo That is my first response to every bug report I get...

Vogel612

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

4:41 PM

@Vogel612 plz send teh coffee

@Vogel612 Yup

Vogel612

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Vogel612 watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

@Vogel612 You doubt me?

rene

Yes

Vogel612

ohh yes I doubt you...

btw, a room owner wanna move this to the charcoal HQ?

rene

That will teach it

Undo

4:42 PM

@Vogel612 not possible

well, I'm just gonna restart the server. Hold on :P

Vogel612

ermph. lemme guess.. different domain??

Undo

@Vogel612 right

Vogel612

can you repo there or is it just chat.meta?

Undo

it's weird

Vogel612

whispers: there is always the trash ...

Undo

4:43 PM

!!/alive?

yay

rene

Yeah!

works!

Don't touch it anymore

ship it

2

Vogel612

german equivalent to SNAFU, literaly translated: operation successful, patient dead.

Undo

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo ... did I miss something?

Undo

>:D

Vogel612

4:45 PM

!!/alive?

Undo

I WIN

SmokeDetector

@Vogel612 plz send teh coffee

Vogel612

looks like it..

rene

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@rene ... did I miss something?

Undo

4:45 PM

yay, even rene can't break it

rene

I've broken enough today so....

Vogel612

now let's have your boss look at it ;)

Undo

@Vogel612 ... who would that be?

Shog?

;)

Frank

Could Shog break it?

:)

Vogel612

it will break itself, when Shog just looks at it.

alternatively spin the wheel of blame, or call Bart

Undo

4:47 PM

@Frank Shog can break whole sites, I'm sure he can break my tiny little hobby :P

Frank

You should make Smokey respond to '!!/dead?'

Unihedron

!!/is-frank-drunk?

Frank

@Unihedron You doubt me?

6

I found a random downvote victim.

RandomDownVoteVictim, internet

133 5

He has exactly 0 downvotes on GL. His anticipations were false. :)

I have to unhook the springtooth harrow from the tractor, and hook up the moldboard plow, and turn over some land today. What are you doing today?

.

Woops my bad neighbor, no joke I have a plant like this and I use it to invade other people's yards.

^^was posted as an answer. People are weird.

cv-plz not quite dead yet stackoverflow.com/questions/26240005/…

be back later, cya

Vogel612

5:15 PM

flag-pls offensive: links to "how to copy and paste" stackoverflow.com/questions/26240005/…

Lynn Crumbling

5:50 PM

@Frank You're not foolin' anyone, ya know.

@Vogel612 Gone

Undo

grep -o '^\S*' users.txt | sort | uniq | while read line; do curl $(echo api.stackexchange.com/2.2/users$(grep -o "http://$line/users/[0-9]*" users.txt | grep -o '[0-9]*' | sed ':a;N;$!ba;s/\n/;/g')'?order=desc&sort=reputation&'"site=$line"'&filter=!40D.p*)Z52NeYBG9p') 2>/dev/null | gunzip | python parseuserresponse.py; done

Hey, it gets the job done

jadarnel27

Stories of the randomness of downvotes have been greatly exaggerated.

SmokeDetector

6:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ITS ABOUT TP-LINK ROUTER on superuser.com

rene

6:31 PM

@Sam @Unihedron Can you help out in the close vote event to clear [wordpress]?

Jan Dvorak

6:46 PM

ot-rectool stackoverflow.com/questions/26243020/…

rene

closed

jadarnel27

Haha, "rectool."

Jan Dvorak

also, "less than a minute" is vague. On most supercomputers? On an average corporate desktop as of 2014? On my netbook? On my ancient smartphone? On my experimental "pc" that's essentially a bunch of 74xx's on a breadboard? — Jan Dvorak 15 secs ago

jadarnel27

Sounds like rectal.

(I am immature)

Jan Dvorak

@jadarnel27 clearly

jadarnel27

6:54 PM

said the guy with a bird on his head

Jan Dvorak

says mr. half-beard

jadarnel27

Touche.

Jan Dvorak

POB? stackoverflow.com/questions/21638080/…

jadarnel27

7:09 PM

I don't think so.

Sam

7:23 PM

@rene Sure.

rene

@Sam that one is cleared now, but you can do html5 now

Sam

Ok...

SmokeDetector

7:47 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CLUSTERS AND HDDS on askubuntu.com

Sam

7:58 PM

@Undo Alright, I'll do that from now on ;)

@rene Well, I've done my 40 for the day.

TGMCians

8:40 PM

@Sam many thanks Sam :)

gtg. good night.

@JanDvorak imo no

Frank

9:00 PM

Why can't Smokey post in the LQP-HQ too?

naa worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/1194/…

@LynnCrumbling Me? I wasn't trying to fool you.

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank we're you going for the holy grail reference?

Frank

@LynnCrumbling Huh?

Lynn Crumbling

hah. Guess not. See youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs around 1:00-1:35

Wow -- and apparently I don't know english well enough to use the correct "were" vs. "we're"

Frank

@LynnCrumbling That's not what I was referencing, ha.

> CLEANED UP THE SHOUTI harrmm... cleaned up the shouting.

That's what I say when editing questions with all caps titles.^^

Frank

9:30 PM

I'm getting there! +20, and I will be in first place this year with reputation on GL.

Sam

9:44 PM

@Frank Speaking of which, soon, Pham be able will throw tp'd reports in here.

Frank

@Sam Nice.

Flag this to death:

naa android.stackexchange.com/questions/65300/…

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank flag'd

Sam

But atm I'm working on a >>remove user command (I forgot to add it when I made the >>add user command).

Frank

@Sam Nice also.

hichris123

Blog - Stack Exchange: New editing badges and enhancements to suggested edits

Shog9 on October 07, 2014

We rolled out three new badges last week!

These recognize a pattern that sets Stack Exchange apart from the forums and message boards that came before it: answering and editing questions, the ability to not only write an answer that can be useful beyond the immediate asker but also re-write the question such that it can be found and understood by future readers. Thanks to this capability, brilliant explanations need not languish under titles such as “C++ problem” or “Java doubt” – having written an answer that ably fixed the problems in the asker’s code, it is possible to also fix the problems in his writing! …

Sam

9:59 PM

@Frank Quick question, do you know what this flower is?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PIN WHEEL PROBLEMS ON MY MACBOOK PRO on apple.stackexchange.com

Frank

@Sam Hah? Oh. I know that one, it will come to me n a moment...

@Sam That is Love-In-A-Mist, Nigella damascena

Sam

@Frank Cool, thx. Did you know that off by heart?

Frank

@Sam Yes, but it took a minute. I'm not the memory freak I once was...

AstroCB

1

A: What should be used in place of "Too Minor?"

Ok, there's a new reject reason for this specific case: This is not a replacement for "too minor", but it does replace one of the things folks were using it for (even though it wasn't strictly appropriate there either): edits that don't make any positive changes to the post.

Yes!

Sam

10:10 PM

@Frank lol :D

AstroCB

Thanks @Shog9!

Finally, a way to stop the mass-retaggers!

Shog9

@AstroCB There's a separate, very specific rejection reason for that too...

@Shog9 Which is?

@Shog9 That's new.

10:19 PM

They're all new. Except spam/vandalism

AstroCB

@Shog9 Much better (old rejection reasons + removal of too minor didn't really work).

Shog9

@AstroCB yeah... I wanted the rejection reason replacements and removal of too minor to happen a bit closer together, but... It kinda took the removal of "too minor" to get folks interested in fixing the rest of the reasons.

Too minor was a serious crutch

AstroCB

Well, I won't get to test them for a while...

22 hours ago, by AstroCB

How is this a legit audit?

Jon Ericson

@Shog9 Spam and vandalism never change.

5

Shog9

@AstroCB two bans in under a month? Tsk, tsk...

Sam

10:36 PM

Night all.

bjb568

Night

user259867

10:50 PM

user259867

@Shog9 Okay, I get it, edits are important. ^^^ duplication. As seen on meta.SO

AstroCB

@Shog9 Two? That would explain why it's a 7-day ban, but I don't recall the first one.

bjb568

^ Ooh! Looks insulting…

im lovin it

AstroCB

I thought there was one in the last "review block," but maybe it was the beginning of this one (that one was unjustified as well, but I don't like to complain.

bjb568

methinks a ~~ban~~ disciplinary action log would be nice

Shog9

10:58 PM

@AstroCB Previous failure: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5734801

And the one before that: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5711618

And before then: stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/5399450

Frank

I wish the ping notification would leave when I read the message.