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12:04 AM
@RyanCarlson I think there's a userscript out there that allows you to censor certain words locally. Most people in chat probably don't mind them
 
I don't mind them, but I've noticed that there's not really a lot of swearing in this room. So I try to avoid it.
 
@ThiefMaster In songs? That sounds like an amazing userscript :P
Oh, I should have read the context :P
 
@UndotheSnowman Yes, but you won't tell me.
 
I will tell you right before WB ends.
 
...
ok
Hint?
plz
plzplzplzplz?
 
12:13 AM
Can't find it :/ I thought it was on stackapps.. And I remember someone who used to be in the JS room wrote it.
 
@RyanCarlson Hint? you have to know it to earn it.
 
@UndotheSnowman I know that much.
 
@Undo Tell me then.
 
 
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1:27 AM
which option to choose when flagging this "question"? stackoverflow.com/questions/20864591/…
it is an answer posted as question.
 
I don't know how you tricked the system, but your hat repetoire is interesting.
Definitely a good case for "Not A Question".
 
I do not see such an option.
what is interesting about my hat repertoire?
 
Yep, no option, but maybe it needs to be there.
You have a Milliner, but not very many hats.
 
21 hats
surely, you have not checked my SO hats?
Shall I open a thread on meta or Not a Question?
or is there a thread for that, already?
Although, it is not quite frequent a use case to be honest.
so I think an "other" option will suffice.
 
I don't see any SO hats. Only Meta ones. When I click on your SO profile I see your 4 meta hats and NO picture on the left. figure you had figured how to trick the system into thinking you had a hat.
 
1:41 AM
I have 21 hats on SO.
but SO hats are turned off for me since "I hate hats".
 
Ahh, it's wierd that it still shows you here with a hat. Here's what your SO hat profile looks like to me.
Maybe because you don't have hats turned off on Meta.
 
bizarr; what do you see now? I turned hats on.
 
I see all the hats, but on your SO profile there is still no pic on left, just on the Meta profile.
 
well, I could not care less about hats.... seems others are overly concerned though. :)
 
You... don't care about hats? fire :P
 
1:46 AM
you are the second person within a very short while to comment on my hat.
actually, I am turning it off now even on meta.
there we go... not hats visible in here. :)
 
Hats are the magnet, I am the steel.
 
it is better than magnet being your hat. :)
 
Well, maybe there's a little lag until your hat goes away in here.
 
well, it went away for F5 on this end.
 
It's cached.
 
1:49 AM
Hmmm, I did a reload and still see it.
but I didn't clear the cache
 
@Lance No, I meant on chat.
It may be cached in general, but that would be at the server side.
 
I think we should have cats rather than hats
we could also get more females on the site.
 
2:26 AM
Wow, is Doorknob of Snow a secret moderator, or did he just get a moderator to do his sleazy work of synonyming my new tag?
 
@lance: easy close vote if you can help, stackoverflow.com/questions/20858943/…
 
Done.
 
it is somewhat surprising that kind of question does not get closed all of a sudden
let us bump it with edit. :D
 
I"m sure the close review queue will take care of it before the end of next year.
 
I am not sure.... IMO, the close queue is unmanagable
since my join, it only got worse and worse.... there was some upside due to the hats, but even that does not help anymore since it keep growing.
it was around 65-70K when I joined in August.
now, it is plus 30-35%.
 
2:49 AM
All of you Americans are so last year.
 
I need a #9, I have extra #2, #5 and #6
Oops, wrong chat. But hey, if any of you have Steam, you'd know what I'm talking about
 
> This is not a recruiting attempt I am started a web based business I need someone who can program those services and If they can I will hire them. Thank you (source)
 
This reminds me getting 10k+ rep is a must have to see these deleted posts....
 
3:10 AM
@animuson I thought it was beneath you to post NAR posts (not a recruting post).
 
Look at all the people who just got the "edits" badge: meta.stackoverflow.com/help/badges/228/edits
 
@animuson: what to look there?
 
@LaszloPapp How billions of people just got a new tag badge since a some posts were retagged to it.
 
Where a billion means 27.
 
yeah, it is not surprising with high-score posts.
 
3:33 AM
@animuson I didn't exagerate that much. I mean, a billion is so close to 27.
 
3:47 AM
wow, this female is suspended for one year? stackoverflow.com/users/1479606/eli Isn't that kind of weird with that huge reputation level and profile views?
 
Yeh, pretty unusual, since she has real answers.
 
IMO, one year long suspension is excessive.
 
-2826 rep, strange.
If I get an upvote from someone, and the user is removed, then I will get -10 rep?
 
To balance the 10 rep he gave you.
 
4:03 AM
@animuson Socks?
 
so the lady got many votes from users who got deleted. What is the proof that it was artificial? What if a female user just gets some fans?
(not sure why the other users got deleted)
Either way, I feel one year still WAY too excessive.
 
@Laszlo I'm betting they were determined to be sock puppets. Guessing though, @animuson probably would be better to determine.
 
@LaszloPapp There was plenty of pretty indisputable proof.
 
(unless she got many increasing suspensions before)
like what?
She had almost half of her answers zero scored.
if she was a cheater, she would not have spent time writing those?
 
@Laszlo The mods have ways to figure out if a user is a sock puppet. They're seckrit, though.
 
4:17 AM
@LaszloPapp Information behind suspensions is private. If you feel a suspension was a mistake, email the community team.
 
5:02 AM
Happy new year, everyone!
 
@Pops Happy new year to you too!
 
5:14 AM
It's not the New Year yet in The Proper Timezone, but I'm posting this here in hopes of getting a hat:
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Q: can i just post this question just to get a new 2014 hat?

Milche PaternIs it ok if i post this here and maybe delete it in few hours ? No this is not serious, but i have nothing to ask so far. In the meantime, happy new year everyone.

 
@9Shogsa-Shogging here ya go
 
Morning all... Happy new year :)
 
Happy New Year! - The first three people to @reply to this (as determined in the transcript) get a T shirt and assorted mystery goodies.
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@TinyTim he he. Are you sure? :P
 
@MysticMagic Yep.
 
5:23 AM
Then I am first :D
Happy New year, Tim :)
 
@TinyTim me!
Happy New Year!
Isn't it almost Jan 2nd for you, though?
 
@TinyTim Do I count?
 
Greetings to all
and happy new year ..
 
So, how was everyone's new year's eve?
 
Probably my worst New Year's Eve ever, but whatever.
 
5:27 AM
Aside from Shog, who apparently lives in the past or something
 
Can someone tell me if there is another way to delete an already answered question without having to flag for moderator ?
 
@TinyTim Do I count if @animuson doesn't count?
 
@MilchePatern it's getting deleted
@scrblnrd3 I may not count either, already won one of the contests. There probably is a sekrit rule against getting too much swag.
 
Well my parents would probably be mad at me; they already think I'm wasting too much time on SO as it is
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish The new year flows like molasses near the hub. I can almost watch it spreading through the valleys, a dark shadow amid the pines... Probably a good hour and a half before it reaches 7000 feet.
 
5:29 AM
thank, but the question is marked has [on hold]. Is there something else to do?
 
@MilchePatern Have a beer
 
My New year eve was very peaceful. Watched movies @home :P
 
Be right back, on my way to the fridge
 
I watched Mr. Bean before Netflix deleted it
 
@MysticMagic @Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish @animuson Send me your shipping and size deets, tpost@stackoverflow.com
 
5:30 AM
@TinyTim Do we get to choose what t-shirt too?
 
@animuson Yes, indicate the one you'd like (if I have it in your size, I'll send it)
 
@TinyTim seriously? /me thought it was a joke :p
k then :)
 
I AM LORD OF THE SWAG. I DO NOT JOKE ABOUT SHIRTS.
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:D cool.
 
And mystery goodies. :P
 
5:32 AM
@MysticMagic I was with someone, then watched the fireworks over the city from the lake, and then roamed about the greener parts of campus listening to music.
@TinyTim bows to the lord of the swag
Pays homage by burning a Google t shirt
 
I swear I just stared at the GMail window for 40 seconds going "Hmm, I never send emails through this. Where is the Compose button?"
 
@TinyTim Aw, I am all kinds of late to the party!
 
LOL. I definitely know about the red Compose button but I'm still staring at compose mail window :P
 
@animuson What do you normally use for email?
Sorry you had a crappy New Years, by the way. That's lamesauce.
 
I only really check emails. Most of the time when I send emails it's replying to an existing email or through the company's website.
 
5:35 AM
wonders silently if should look through spam folder for swag email
 
@animuson Ohhh, I see what you're saying.
 
@animuson They've moved the compose cheese so much that it's now bleu.
 
Wondering if I could write subject as New Year MSO chat contest :P
 
@TinyTim Now that I know you're lord of the swag, I have a question: I might have a chance to go to WWDC this year (Apple's dev conference). On Sunday before everything starts everyone mills around and I have very little to do. Would SE be interested in having someone pass out swag?
I would even do it for free.
 
@animuson Well, hope that the rest of the year goes well then! :)
 
5:40 AM
@UndotheSnowman You can't pass it all out to yourself, though.
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@animuson SSSHH!
I would probably never do that (one can only take so much swag)
but you just spoiled a perfectly good option.
options are gold.
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish i don't understand why my question is still accessible.
.. and i finished my beer
Can you help ?
 
@MilchePatern I added a delete vote. Can't help more
 
@Manish Something needs delete voting?
 
Should i ask others to vote to delete it ?
 
5:46 AM
@Milche You could just ping @animuson and ask him to hammer it.
 
@animuson I need this question (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/214499/…) to be deleted. Can you help ?
@UndotheSnowman Thanks.
 
@UndotheSnowman see Shog's starred message
 
What is Happy Hour event exactly?
 
@Mr.P Aww, my poor 10k privs won't let me VTD that one D:
 
@UndotheSnowman peasant
 
5:52 AM
@MysticMagic We become happy at that time.
 
@UndotheSnowman Aren't we happy all the time?
 
Sounds great. Though I agree with Manish and wish to become happy for 24*7
 
@Mr.P Meh, only when we have a programming question to destroy. Otherwise we are sad Meta people. This is the hour in which we can become happy for a whole uninterrupted hour without programming questions.
 
@9Shogsa-Shogging Did you get a hat .. at least?
 
> Happy hour is a marketing term for a period of time in which a public venue, such as a restaurant, bar, bowling alley, stadium, or state/county fair, offers discounts on alcoholic drinks, such as beer, wine, and cocktails. (source)
In case you're unfamiliar with the actual phrase =)
It's a joke on the name of this chatroom.
 
5:57 AM
@jadarnel27 Are there any restaurant, bar, bowling alley, stadium, or state/county fair, offers discounts on alcoholic drinks, such as beer, wine, and cocktails for the Happy new year?
 
No, but we offer discounts on stars for hats.
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héhé
It's on me
 
I think this should be an honorary Happy Hour, considering it's New Year's Day.
pours the adults each a scotch
 
:) I was aware with actual term. Was wondering about event :) Thanks
 
pours the kids sparkling grape juice
@MysticMagic Ha, understood =) Just making sure. We don't actually do anything in particular during the event.
Maybe they did back when this room was new. I don't know.
This place Hotel California'd me back in 2011, but this place was around before then.
 
6:01 AM
Well, well, well, time to get back to work, my break time is over. Greetings to all of you and maybe this bad question of mine will disaprear in the midst of binary winter
 
@MilchePatern Enjoy the rest of your day!
 
Sure @MilchePatern New year wish for you that it will be deleted today ;)
 
Well -9 question vs +9 answer .. makes it even.
 
Try not to be embarrassed or down on yourself about it. Just Meta silliness.
 
@UndotheSnowman Fill out the swag request form - We'll send shirts for the event organizers / users attending, and stickers / pens / sharpies & stuff
 
6:04 AM
@MilchePatern I did!
And whiskey!
Although I probably would've had the latter anyway.
Still, you never know
so Cheers!
 
@TinyTim would this swag request form translate over to giving prizes at a charity tournament? Or is there a different form for that
 
Oooo My First! hat was also my 20th hat. Hello, The Milliner.
 
@scrblnrd3 You could use that, it's a generic 'event' sort of form, I'd likely reply with whatever questions we had. Just make sure you link to some sort of page explaining what the event is all about
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@TinyTim got it. Will send the form soon!
 
I won't feel 'so down' about it @jadarnel27, i just got cought doing stypidity without beeing able to repair. But i won't obscess about it. Cheers.
.end transmission.
 
6:50 AM
By the way, thanks @TinyTim by brightening my dark New Year with some mystery swag.
 
7:01 AM
a'ight - Happy New Year, tavern!
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7:44 AM
@9Shogsa-Shogging thanks, may 2014 be full of new features and bug fixes! :D
 
/me whistles for the last few minutes of 2013 here
 
Good morning.
 
sup
 
Seeing the '13 on posts from yesterday makes me feel old.
 
it's still 11:57 pm here
 
7:58 AM
09:58
(am for you 12-hour people)
 
so you're in eastern europe?
 
Northern
 
oop, midnight here
happy 2014!
 
Yay, happy new year!
 
@3ventic my american is showing i guess
 
8:02 AM
Wow you're far behind, here it's already 10 hours into 2014
 
Same timezone as all of eastern Europe so yeh
You could technically call this eastern Europe, but it still has some negative connotations..
 
@ShadowWizard Well, the international date line is something like a couple time zones behind me
 
Should be 2014 everywhere when UTC hits 12:00
or 13:00, I can't remember
Timezones are one big mess.
 
What is the moon timezone?
Is it 2014 already on the moon? :D
 
I don't think anyone's on the moon..
except some IP addresses
 
8:06 AM
@3ventic so? there are also unpopulated areas on Earth but still they have timezone ;)
 
Its 2014 on Venus :D Happy New year
 
but I don't think there are unpopulated timezones on Earth
 
@3ventic Looks like 12 sounds about right
midway island is apparently GMT -11, and it looks pretty close to the international date line
 
How does one define Venus' year?
 
presumably similar to an earth year
revolution around sun
 
8:08 AM
Then their year should be much shorter than ours, and they should be ahead of us in years by far
 
<obligatory plug about how a venus day is longer than a venus year>
 
@TinyTim how many shirts you have there? You give them away too easily! ;-)
 
 
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11:01 AM
"Dude, I know you like to downvote, it is not the first time. I said it was an attempt. " -> should we mark such comments offensive and rude?
I downvoted a reply and left technical concerns with the answer while being civil, and that was the reply.
I see that people get offended quite easily by downvotes even if it is just temporary .... provided they are willing to improve their answers. Perhaps, it hurts their ego, and do not consider the best answers as the target goal overall?
 
@LaszloPapp If it offended you then yes, feel free to flag as such. Personally I wouldn't really care and it's not really that rude in my opinion.
 
Well, I will not reply to such non-constructive arguing people either.. not for such posts of theirs at least. These people have issues with their ego versus getting the best answer out.
 
Yep, just ignore and next time don't comment on their posts if downvoting - totally your right. :)
 
I prefer to comment when I downvote
if I see the post can be improved.
because it makes sense, but it has minor some quirks.
or actually, I even face them if they are wrong in principle, now that I think of...
but people usually become defensive and argumentative needlessly because it is a lost-lost for everyone....
and only a handful of people are willing to improve their anwers and be less concerned about the actual temporary downvote.
 
11:17 AM
For me I'd say 80% of those comments are ignored, 10% say "thanks" but do nothing, 5% fix their answer and only about 5% do what you describe.
But I don't downvote that much on SO
 
I only downvote old link-only answers on SO where the link is mostly useless nowadays
 
@ShadowWizard: I downvote everything that I think should be improved, or I also downvote if the answer does not make sense at all.
and here, I am not referring to a typo, but important technical detail.
 
I wouldn't have downvoting privilege if I downvoted everything I felt needed it on SO
 
of course, I always remove it if the OP convinces me I am wrong, and the person clarifies the answer, or improves it with my suggestion, alternatively.
@3ventic: well, where I happen to be, there are not many bad answers I see, and most of the bad answers I see will be deleted in no time, so those reps will come back anyway.
 
I mostly browse old questions anyway
from the days when link-only answers seemed to be a standard.
and most of the answers seem outdated
 
11:28 AM
lol
did I understand it correctly I will get a disputed flag if a 10k+ user marks a flag as invalid even though the moderator overrides that by accepting the flag?
 
12:13 PM
heh, what an irony, the person answering the question did not wanna improve the post, and I posted another then as I feel it is good, and it got a downvote without any explanation... :-) I guess it is some rage driven stuff.
 
@LaszloPapp might be, but we can never know for sure.
 
of course.
it is just as certain as the reason for a one year suspension for that lady.
 
What lady?
 
nvm.
 
1:13 PM
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Q: Make disputed flags not be "disputed" if declined by a moderator

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManishCurrently, the behavior of flags in the 10k queue is this: If action is taken, either by the community or by a mod, the flag is "helpful" (positively affecting flag weight) If they are marked "invalid" by community members, they get forwarded to the ♦ queue. The mods can take action on them, bu...

The disputed flag system is weird
 
I read that yesterday, yes.
 
I think it's scheduled to go when the flag rehaul is finished (is it already?)
 
is 20 upvotes the limit for a day even if you get downvotes?
or the sum of them is 20?
 
There's no limit for upvotes you can receive, only for the rep you can receive from them.
 
@3ventic lol quite obvious that's what he meant :)
I think that if you get 20 upvotes, then downvote then upvote again the 21st upvote will give you +2
 
1:19 PM
Yeah but you could get 40 upvotes on a question before hitting the limit ;)
 
1:43 PM
@ShadowWizard: yeah, I meant that.
 
lol
People should move on from XP...
 
Well, in an ideal world, sure, in the real world, it is not possible due to the circumstances in many big corporate companies, like the conservative automotive industry.
 
Do they also have to use only floppy disks there?
 
no.
 
That's a relief!
 
2:38 PM
Companies should upgrade pretty soon after release to the new version..
just because it will be much harder to go XP to 9 on one go than it is in steps
 
not really, no.....
you need to get wage in your job, especially if you have family, high desire, etc. You can not say to your customers, oopsie, I am the bleeding edge techie guy, so please pardon me that I will not care about you the next 1-2 years... hmm, "just because". That is a very bad business strategy, and a good way of going bankrupt or at least being cancelled.
 
 
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3:57 PM
7
A: What is the protocol when deleting your own question?

Adam Davis what is the protocol when deleting your own question HTTP.

^ NAA flag :P
Not sure what to do.
 
@UndotheSnowman it's an old Meta humor, let it be if you ask me :)
 
@ShadowWizard Hehe, ok
(believe it or not, I've been here for less than a year :P)
 
If you browse old questions there are tons of those things
 
Oh, sure
 
If that was the only answer I would have reacted differently though
 
4:02 PM
Hehe
 
We still need to be helpful, not just sarcastic :)
 
Yeah
Otherwise, it would seem like we're Meta.
 
@UndotheSnowman heh, thanks for adding a hat!
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Q: Preserve the hats - let us have screenshots of all hats and their description

Shadow WizardFollowing this request which is about stats, my mission is more simple and doable by us, ordinary users. Let's archive all hats and their descriptions as they appear in the official page which won't survive long. I will put here all hats I can see "open", please anyone who see hat that is not l...

 
@ShadowWizard Oh, that was you that wrote that! I don't think I ever looked at the author card.
 
Now when I tell my grandchildren "I earned Mr. Binx" I can easily find it!
lol
 
4:04 PM
rofl
 
I tried to search for 2012 hats some while ago, had to use wayback machine and google cache :(
 
D:
Eeeeek!
 
So hopefully if this won't be deleted, finding 2013 hats will be easy work ;)
 
@ShadowWizard If it is deleted, we shall take a screenshot of it and keep it on our hard drives.
 
Thanks!
Interesting to mention, your edit did not trigger a notification for me
I always thought edit of more than 6 characters will trigger notification, guess I was wrong
 
4:10 PM
@ShadowWizard I think the edit-notifications are kind of random. I think you always get notified of a suggested edit, and you get notified of a normal edit if rand()%3=0
 
@UndotheSnowman nah, hard to believe it's random
They randomize many things but not this
 
</sarcasm> :P
 
lol
always fall for it
 
 
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5:41 PM
hi, are math questions OK on SO?
or it should go here? math.stackexchange.com
e.g. this feels like a math question: stackoverflow.com/questions/20871182/…
 
@LaszloPapp What would be the content of your question?
 
@ProgramFOX: I do not have a question, but see the link above.
 
6:05 PM
math questions are ok, though they really need to be algorithm related
 
6:17 PM
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Q: Give new edit reviewers some audits to begin with

ThiefMasterApparently many new reviewers approve crap that: is just crap 💩 (or spam) introduces backticks to emphasize stuff add typos, chatspeak and other noise. plz help me kind sirs! Giving them some audits to begin with would probably help educating them. I'm not talking solely about the markov-cha...

 
 
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7:56 PM
There are no wrong ideas in brownstorming.
 
@jadarnel27 Do you live brown? Is brown in everything in your life?
 
Hey man.
I don't know even know what you mean by that.
 
@jadarnel27 But you said there were no wrong ideas in brownstorming.
 
Shoot. I did say that.
 
Yeah...
 
8:05 PM
Something that would help a bunch:
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Q: Revist Putting Tags box under Title box on Asking Question Form

Lance RobertsThere was a request over four years ago to have the Related Questions ("Questions that may already have your answer") key off of the tags and not just the title. It was requested in that post that to help implement this, they should put the Tag input box directly underneath the Title input box. ...

 
@LanceRoberts Is that supposed to be "revisit"?
 
@animuson, yep, thanks, edited.
 
Do you think this is a fair audit: stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/3695086#./…? It's just a bunch of code as an answer, I went to downvote it since it has no explanation.
 
I think it's a fine answer, seems like what the OP needed and wanted. We're programmers, we don't always need someone to explain the code (though that will usually get you more votes, and is a nice touch).
 
Kind of borderline, though. Some audits are kind of annoying, because different people view different things differently.
It's also annoying because for non-robo reviewer's, if their decision doesn't match the systems, you may end up with a review ban.
 
8:14 PM
I agree that it's borderline. I'd prefer to see it explain why it solves the OPs problem. Especially since their attempt (in the question) is not even close to solving the problem.
 
Yeh, I've had my problems with audits:
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Q: "Improve" treated as improper response to proper response to audit

Lance RobertsFor the first time I failed an audit in review, but I sure don't think I should have. I saw the edit wasn't that good, so I hit the improve button to clean things up and got this message: This was an audit, designed to see if you were paying attention. You didn't pass. This edit vandalizes t...

 
I almost feel like we need a whole overhaul of audits, or something.
 
8:31 PM
Gentlemen.
It's time to make...CORNBREAD.
Wish me luck. I am not very good at cooking.
 
You...cook?
Don't you have a wife who can cook?
 
I never did find out if they made gluten-free cornbread...
 
@hichris123 I do. She is at work though.
She is very, very good at cooking. And she has been teaching me her ways.
 
@animuson How do you make bread without gluten?
 
She also loves to cook. Which is an important distinction from just being good at it.
 
8:43 PM
@jadarnel27 You need to take pictures of your failed attempts. Then post the question on Seasoned Advice. Do they require you to show attempts? :P
 
Haha. That's an excellent idea.
 
Something for chat:
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Q: Change Chat dropdown in top bar

Lance RobertsIn the all rooms page of chat we still have the old StackExchange dropdown: Could we please have the new dropdown installed there?

 
@Lance I think they say somewhere that it's planned.
 
Ah, ok.
 
They did say that in the comments of the original top bar announcement. Since it hasn't happened yet, I think a question for it is appropriate, though.
 
8:56 PM
How is asking for why a library has a dependancy on an OS version opinion based? stackoverflow.com/review/close/3705125
It is not a great question but that close reason is awfull...
 
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Q: Why is the top bar not changed on StackExchange, Area51 and Ask Ubuntu?

WikisStackExchange, Area51 and Ask Ubuntu1 still show the old bar. 1 See Why does Ask Ubuntu have a special Top Bar?

 
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