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jmac

2:01 AM

How do I know if I have this 'S.M.A.R.T' thing?

Mysticial

@jmac You need to install some program to check it. And only if the interface supports it.

hichris123

How old is your hard drive?

If it's recent, it probably does.

Cole Johnson

Speccy and Defraggler both support SMART monitoring

great programs

jmac

Let's see, the sticker on it says 2011

it's a laptop.

hichris123

Yes, then it does. Use Defraggler.

jmac

2:02 AM

Okay, defraggler, getting on it, thanks.

hichris123

@ColeJohnson You forgot to advertise CCleaner. (doesn't suppport SMART though)

Cole Johnson

@hichris123 In the meantime, let's advertise Recuva (Piriform's 4th product)

jmac

(I feel dirty having used you all for tech support especially when I have a tech support department, but they spend 3 hours diagnosing your issue only to tell you there was no problem, and you are without a PC in the meantime)

Cole Johnson

@jmac Sounds like any IT department

hichris123

@jmac You have tech support? I thought that was Super User.

jmac

2:06 AM

Nasty. It wanted to install google toolbar.

hichris123

@ColeJohnson Can't live without my Piriform software.

jmac

Disk Health: Good

Cole Johnson

@jmac Defraggler did?

animuson

> You are about to DESTROY a complete database! Do you really want to : DROP DATABASE animuson_ipb

Cole Johnson

I've never seen that

@animuson Do it. You know you want to

jmac

2:07 AM

@ColeJohnson Yeah, Defraggler told me my HD was fine. Okay. So I have a different problem.

Cole Johnson

@jmac Check the SMART tab

animuson

> You are about to DESTROY a complete database! Do you really want to : DROP DATABASE animuson_ipb2

Lol I honestly don't know why I had two of them installed...

jmac

There is no SMART tab. Just a 'Health' tab

Cole Johnson

yeah that

there's SMART data in there

animuson

Wait... what the hell... All the table names in animuson_ipb2 are prefixed with phpbb_...

Cole Johnson

2:08 AM

S.M.A.R.T.

S.M.A.R.T. (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology; often written as SMART) is a monitoring system for computer hard disk drives to detect and report on various indicators of reliability, in the hope of anticipating failures. When a failure is anticipated by S.M.A.R.T., the user may choose to replace the drive to avoid unexpected outage and data loss. The manufacturer may be able to use the S.M.A.R.T. data to discover where faults lie and prevent them from recurring in future drive designs. Background Hard disk failures fall into one of two basic classes: * Predictable ...

jmac

Yeah, errrr, nothing is flashing red, so I think that must be okay?

hichris123

@animuson Please don't do this with the SO database(s).

Cole Johnson

@jmac Might want to go through those one by one

@hichris123 DROP TABLE users

jmac

You'd think that's what defraggler is doing, no?

Why would the software want me to check all values itself?

Cole Johnson

@jmac It does do that, but it's just an algorithm

Nothing beats a human when it comes to prevention

@hichris123 DELTE FROM users WHERE user_name = hichris123

What's wrong with the drive?

jmac

2:10 AM

Is 1229ms a long time for a hard drive to spin up? That is over 1.2 seconds. It seems long,

hichris123

@ColeJohnson I better hope there isn't a way to hack into the database.

Cole Johnson

@jmac My external is 5 seconds...

But that's because it's rarely ever used

hichris123

@jmac Do you want me to post my values from a similar laptop age (3-4)

Cole Johnson

And it's a cheap one

jmac

Yes! That'd be awesome.

Cole Johnson

2:11 AM

1 Read Error Rate 0 200 200 51 0x000000000026
3 Spin-Up Time 5433 ms 151 149 21 0x000000001539
4 Start/Stop Count 5,133 95 95 0 0x00000000140D
5 Reallocated Sectors Count 0 200 200 140 0x000000000000
7 Seek Error Rate 0 200 200 51 0x000000000000
9 Power-On Hours (POH) 465d 6h 85 85 0 0x000000002B9E
10 Spin Retry Count 0 100 100 51 0x000000000000
11 Recalibration Retries 0 100 100 51 0x000000000000
12 Power Cycle Count 4,232 96 96 0 0x000000001088
192 Power-off Retract Count 724 200 200 0 0x0000000002D4

jmac

Yeehaw, thanks!

hichris123

1 Read Error Rate 0 200 200 51 0x00000000051F
3 Spin-Up Time 1733 ms 185 183 21 0x0000000006C5
4 Start/Stop Count 3,550 97 97 0 0x000000000DDE
5 Reallocated Sectors Count 0 200 200 140 0x000000000000
7 Seek Error Rate 0 200 200 51 0x000000000000
9 Power-On Hours (POH) 503d 10h 84 84 0 0x000000002F32
10 Spin Retry Count 0 100 100 51 0x000000000000
11 Recalibration Retries 0 100 100 0 0x000000000000
12 Power Cycle Count 3,528 97 97 0 0x000000000DC8
183 SATA Downshift Error Count 0 100 100 0 0x000000000000

Cole Johnson

formated: pastie.org/8557190

hichris123

Wow, this is my external:

3 Spin-Up Time 0 ms 94 92 0 0x000000000000

jmac

Ooooh, you have special ones I don't have like 183, 184, 187, and 188

hichris123

2:13 AM

Um... "194 Temperature 48 °F 48 55 0 0x000000000030"

Cole Johnson

@jmac It's drive manufacturer specific

jmac

Yeah, just figured it out from the wiki

Cole Johnson

48 farenheight? That's really low

I'm sure it should be Celcius

jmac

Yeah, that's insane -- mine is at 38C

hichris123

It's an external, but still...

It's like 72 inside right now.

jmac

2:15 AM

Uh-oh, I have a pending sector.

Cole Johnson

Yeah, I have my settings for Celsius, you must still have yours at the default of Fahrenheight

@jmac A small value like that doesn't really mean anything

jmac

Okay, it doesn't look like my hard drive has any issues then.

Cole Johnson

It just means there's a sector it thinks is bad, but it won't know until it's read again

jmac

So it is something else (huzzah)

I would be happy if some other component broke, because that means I get a new PC!

Cole Johnson

@jmac Protip: hammer

jmac

2:16 AM

My CPU randomly shoots up to 100% and everything hangs for up to 2 minutes.

hichris123

It lied to me. It was in Celsius.

@jmac Virus?

jmac

How the dickens would I get a virus?

Cole Johnson

@jmac Stack Overflow is the virus

jmac

This is a work PC, I put on firefox, chrome, balsamiq, and this defraggler

hichris123

No, Stack Exchange is the virus.

jmac

2:17 AM

GIMP and Inkscape too

otherwise I haven't downloaded anything questionable

Cole Johnson

@jmac GIMP seems pretty questionable

hichris123

You put on animuson and @ColeJohnson

jmac

our computers are locked up tight, I have umpteen security programs running thanks to my IT department

hichris123

Which ones?

jmac

How would I know?

Cole Johnson

2:18 AM

After all, have you ever noticed how long it takes to load, for all you know, it could be slowly deleting System32

hichris123

You look. How else?

@ColeJohnson Someone that I know corrupted some important .dll in System32

jmac

Okay, I can dig through processes. I have 8 or 9 instances of svchost.exe

Cole Johnson

Those are nothing

Look at the services tab, that's what it is

hichris123

How many processes do you have running right now? I'm curious.

I'm at 146.

jmac

132

Can I just blame Lotus Notes for it?

Cole Johnson

2:20 AM

Sure

hichris123

@jmac You still use Lotus?

I thought that was dead.

Cole Johnson

I find it funny that I have more chrome.exe processes than svchost.exe processes

That's what happens when you use extensions

jmac

I am blessed with a company that believes in the Lotus experience.

despite not being able to search your e-mail properly.

animuson

Wait, who's putting me on? I'm not a hat.

2

Cole Johnson

Use TeX instead

jmac

2:21 AM

We also have a mail folder limit of 110 mb.

Cole Johnson

/me wears @animuson

hichris123

@animuson You're put into our computer's memory, as a virus.

3ventic

How do you have so many processes running..?

hichris123

And your virus is a hat.

Cole Johnson

@3ventic It's windows

hichris123

2:22 AM

@3ventic Installing MySQL for the 4th time.

3ventic

I'm on Windows and sitting at 102 processes

Cole Johnson

I'm at 81 processes :)

28109 handles OTOH

just over 1000 threads

3ventic

With all of this running, though:

hichris123

@3ventic You're running Win8. No fair.

3ventic

8.1

Cole Johnson

2:24 AM

I'm on 8.1

jmac

Okay, I have some copy control software running, zone alarm apparently

3ventic

My memory usage is higher than your total memory :|

hichris123

Remind me to fire up that VM sometime.

Cole Johnson

@3ventic Shut up

It's not a gaming computer

That's what my GPU is for

3ventic

I'm too used to the pinging sound on chat.stackexchange.com, it feels weird here

hichris123

2:25 AM

How about my gaming laptop of 4 years ago?

Cole Johnson

@3ventic ping

jmac

Before I got this PC, I was on a machine from 2006 (in 2011). They had software using up more memory than I had on bootup without even opening anything. It was awesome.

hichris123

Cole Johnson

Wow

looking at that task manager

it feels so old

Guess that's what happens when you switch to Win 8 the first day

hichris123

Hey, the other option I have is a Win Vista desktop.

Cole Johnson

2:26 AM

You just have to use IE?

hichris123

Yes.

IE9 to be exact.

3ventic

IE11 isn't bad tbh

you should update

hichris123

Don't you see I have Chrome open?

Cole Johnson

hichris123

@3ventic Sometime.

@ColeJohnson I make up for it with Android, and tons of other Google stuff.

jmac

2:28 AM

Wait, why didn't that work?

Mine is cooler. Because it's in Japanese.

hichris123

Do you honestly want me to get a screenshot from a Win95 computer, and post it?

Cole Johnson

"Windows"

3ventic

Oh, we're posting task manager screenshots?

Cole Johnson

Now BSODs

3ventic

Cole Johnson

2:29 AM

This is too good

hichris123

Question for SU How do you make a computer have a BSOD?

Cole Johnson

Delete System32

hichris123

That's more like the answer to life, the universe, and everything.

Cole Johnson

42

jmac

@ColeJohnson Okay, done. Now what do I do?

Cole Johnson

2:31 AM

@jmac Wait. What was the problem?

3ventic

Step 1: Play a round of BF4 on my computer
Step 2: Done

Cole Johnson

There's Windows 1.0 BSOD

jmac

@ColeJohnson I don't know. I really don't. The CPU just jumps up to 100 randomly, and everything freezes. It is entirely arbitrary and random.

Cole Johnson

Oh

I think that's normal

Unless you have a virus

Mine does that a lot

jmac

The computer gets scanned every week for viruses.

So I sincerely doubt that's the issue.

Cole Johnson

2:32 AM

Must just be normal processes

The only reason you wouldn't be at 100% is if you have to wait on the disk or RAM

So if you're doing vector processing on data in the CPU caches, you could reach 100%

jmac

Even the task manager freezes. That ain't right. The CPU usage shoots up to the top of the graph, computer freezes, all resumes.

Cole Johnson

Oh

Must just be because it's XP

jmac

It's Windows 7

Cole Johnson

Looks like XP

jmac

I think it's Windows 7. How do I check that?

2

It says Windows 7 on the sticker.

Cole Johnson

2:34 AM

Control Panel > System

jmac

Windows 7 Enterprise.

Cole Johnson

there you go

jmac

To boldly go where no computer has gone before.

Cole Johnson

Windows 8.1 Pro (without Windows Media Center)

hichris123

USS Enterprise

Cole Johnson

2:35 AM

because i can

hichris123

Windows 7 Home Premium

ElfSlice

Peekaboo

jmac

So my computer is broken, and I don't know why. This is uncool. It'll be another 3 years or something before I get a new one too

Cole Johnson

MS-DOS 6.0

Break it

My History teacher's computer BSOD'd during a lesson, so he picked it up and threw it against the wall

So we haven't done anything in the class for the past 2 weeks

jmac

Wait, teachers use computers now?

Cole Johnson

2:38 AM

@jmac In America they do

Every classroom has a projector, and an 11 year old CRT TV

hichris123

@ColeJohnson Or new flat-screens.

Cole Johnson

With an 11 year old VCR/DVD combo player

@hichris123 sarcasm No, we don't have the money for that

animuson

The high school I went to provided a laptop to every teacher in the school. Every room also had one of those "smart boards" with a projector, with the weird electronic pens that let you draw on the board and it uses touch sensors to draw on the computer instead...

ElfSlice

►

Sap.

Cole Johnson

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/89/2010/8/3

animuson

2:47 AM

15 minutes to the big show!

ElfSlice

@animuson Which?

animuson

When the Close Votes queue suddenly drops. :D

Cole Johnson

I see 12 minutes

According to this: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/2585/…

hichris123

Hey, anyone have the script running that keeps track of the CV Queue size?

Cole Johnson

If there was no Rep Cap, Skeet would have 2,311,923 rep

not the half a million he has now

hichris123

2:49 AM

2 million?

Cole Johnson

User ID: 22656

@hichris123 YES

animuson

We need one of those big dial counters. When it hits 3am, all the numbers should just start spinning and slowly reveal the new queue size.

Cole Johnson

@animuson You should try jQuery

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/82020/…

hichris123

Looking for everything to do with Skeet, eh? @ColeJohnson

Cole Johnson

@hichris123 Sure

hichris123

2:55 AM

106,628 right now in CV quere.

Cole Johnson

106,421

106 420

hichris123

@Shog9 has only done 22 reviews today?

Cole Johnson

22*

hichris123

That make you feel better?

Cole Johnson

yep

hichris123

2:57 AM

I feel like I'm not contributing, as I have 1.2K rep, so can't review CV.

Shog9

@hichris123 yeah, but they're all reviews of duplicates. In [winapi].

Cole Johnson

106419

I wanna help!

REALLY!

First review is an audit! AND I FAIL

9

Q: URI structure for restful API

I use basic authentication, so URI looks like http://test:password@site.com/. If I want to give all users, I create an URI like http://test:password@site.com/users/ But what address should I use if I want to give a specific user? This should be http://test:password@site.com/users/test/ or ...

Shog9

You suck.

hichris123

106,627

Cole Johnson

WUT

106,407 i see

106 399

hichris123

3:02 AM

I guess it takes a few minutes?

@Shog9

Cole Johnson

@hichris123 It has to go through a 100k row table

Shog9

oh yeah. This will take a while.

Cole Johnson

@Shog9 ETA?

6-8 weeks perhaps?

Shog9

Remember too, the queue only refreshes every 15 minutes or so

Cole Johnson

?

Shog9

3:03 AM

So, figure 15 minutes before we can easily see if it was really fixed.

Cole Johnson

102,141

we just lost 4k

Shog9

huh. Well, that wasn't so bad.

Cole Johnson

like 4.2k

Shog9

Go figure, the queue refreshes before the votes are done invalidating

Cole Johnson

-_-

So there's more?

Shog9

3:05 AM

probably. Who knows.

let's see if it finishes

Cole Johnson

so we wait 15 minutes

Shog9

(There'll be more tomorrow; how many, IDK)

Cole Johnson

We should make a room event every 3 AM UTC for this

hichris123

How fun!

Goodbye everyone.

Cole Johnson

And....he's gone

Shog9

3:07 AM

2 hours ago, by Shog9

Close queue should drop by almost 5K immediately, and be fairly brisk for the next few days.

pretty close to what I predicted, I guess.

Cole Johnson

You were off by about 800

Shog9

that's nothing. I've been off by so much more

jmac

3:52 AM

@ColeJohnson Overhead projectors were a luxury when I was in school. Man I feel old.

Cole Johnson

5:00 AM

@jmac Wow

jmac

5:16 AM

Yeah. Old.

Where is my old man hat?!

Where did I put my hat?!

Pëkka

5:52 AM

I just received a secret hat

It is super rad.

It is also invisible.

What did I do to earn it?

jmac

@Pëkka >

(I want a secret hat)

Tiny Tim

6:47 AM

13 hours ago, by Tiny Tim

You have all been equally awarded and not awarded Schrödinger's Hat. Congratulations. That is all.

user202362

7:32 AM

0

Q: Best of Stackoverflow

Yesterday, I was browsing some awesome sites that resemeble http://meta.stackoverflow.com, you know the likes of 4chan, reddit and craiglist. I was mysteriously guided to a place called "best of xxx"(substitute xxx with the site name). Then a really great idea hit me: why don't we have a section ...

discussion feature-request

jmac

0

Q: Where should i post question

I am very new to this site.Please can any one tell me where can i post my questions.I am trying using "Ask Question " link but it does not post my question and just gives suggested questions.

discussion

"How do I post?"

michaelb958's a Sleigh

8:05 AM

-4

Q: Using command prompt ,how java programs are run which implement package

I have a folder names "projects" in c drive. i store all my java files in that folder. my class path is : c\projects Now i created a java file as myProgram in projects folder. in that file or program i created a package whose name is myPackage using the simple syntax package myPackage; at th...

discussion

Still open after 5 minutes. You folks are getting slack.

Josh Caswell

Yeah, with the happy result, @jmac, that now that e's figured out what to do, we get a lovely present.

2

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@JoshCaswell Just realised that was the same guy.

jmac

8:29 AM

Another victory for the metaers!

michaelb958's a Sleigh

I'm halfway to Meta Marshal. Yeah!

Bart

Ah, the "I'm wasting too much of my life" badge. I remember getting that one as if it was November 12th...

jmac

8:48 AM

@Bart I think you get a tombstone hat for that badge

Bart

I got an actual tombstone

user202362

9:05 AM

Time spent on some site you choose to be on isn't time wasted ...

Duncan

Why does the top bar show me review task counts on some occasions, but not others?

Is it related to whether I've been reviewing recently?

jmac

@Telkitty Wisdom for the ages.

Bart

One does not choose to be on Meta

jmac

@Bart The unicorn is strong with this one.

user202362

9:25 AM

wtf who downvoted me?!! that's totally not cool ...

Bart

/me whistles innocently

Laszlo Papp

Hi. Is it ok to paste linux kernel header content in an answer (GPL)? I thought only creative license is allowed, but I cannot be sure.

Bart

3

Q: Open source code posting. Is a license required?

I recently came across this question which had a portion of Chromium code in it. At the bottom they put the license for the code(which is BSD style). Is this actually required? How is the snipplet of code actually licensed since they put it on SO which demands CC? Is it legal to even post such co...

discussion code legal licensing

Laszlo Papp

I am not sure I understand that thread. One of my code was deleted before because it has not had creative license.

it was GPL/LGPL, but that was a real code, not just a header; not that a header cannot be copyrighted the same way.

user202362

OMG seriously though, stop being mean ... omg ... omg ...

Bart

9:33 AM

You posted licensed code and it was removed?

Oh come on @Telkitty. You know better than to freak out over a couple of Meta downvotes.

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: yes, I posted /my/ code as answer when they were asking about a linkedlist implementation, and it was removed.

now I came across an answer where the person copied and pasted some header content from the Linux kernel, so I was wondering if I should flag it for deletion for the same reason.

Bart

That should not have happened (unless I'm missing something here).... is the post itself still around? Or was the entire thing removed?

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: still around, but I do not know how to find it. I have over 200 answers. Is there a simple way to figured out deleted answers?

Bart

At the bottom of the answers list in your profile, there will be a "deleted recent answers" link

Laszlo Papp

it is not so recent. :-)

user202362

9:37 AM

I don't really care, but I have no wish of getting question banned again ... too much effort to get out of it ...

Lix

Hi all, I've already raised some custom flags on the author of this answer:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3044211/specifying-the-encoding-format-on-xmldoc/20630557#20630557

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: stackoverflow.com/users/recently-deleted-answers/2682142

Lix

It seems the past 10 answers have been pretty much copy and pasted from one another... 10 identical answers...

Laszlo Papp

nothing there, so it was deleted a couple of months ago

Bart

i can't see it @LaszloPapp. You only.

Lix

9:38 AM

I've already reached out to the user but it doesn't seem to help... Just keeps posting more identical answers

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: it is empty.

Lix

Scratch that... @flexio to the rescue :P

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: it is not in the responses, either.

@Bart: it was marked so by TemplateRex, and then a moderator deleted it.

because it was a copy/paste of my GPL/LGPL implementation in line.

Bart

10:16 AM

Any insight here @Oded ? A ban seems a bit surprising, unless my (usual) suspicion is correct.

ThiefMaster

winterbash2013.stackexchange.com/frosty-the-snowman

That's clearly the hardest hat to achieve on SO :P

Bart

Ooh, I can still do that today ..... nah, who am I kidding, never going to work.

hims056

@ThiefMaster - Do moderators also flag spam post (bind flag) or they just vote to delete it?

ThiefMaster

Usually we just delete them

Unless we really want that -100 penalty for the user - but in case of spammers we destroy them anyway so why spend more time than necessary (deletion is just one click)

hims056

Got it. So if a user is not new (e.g. more than 100 rep) you flag them as spam so they lose 100 rep?

ThiefMaster

10:27 AM

Totally depends on the spam and the user... I don't think I used it more than a few times since I'm a mod

I think it was on users <150 rep (i.e. the -100 actually hurt them)... no idea why I haven't destroyed them. Too long ago ;)

hims056

Good. You may answer this question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/212061/187824

Oded

10:42 AM

@Bart one downvoted deleted question that was contributing. But it seems that he got enough upvotes today to get out of the ban. Still on the edge though.

Bart

Ah, okay. So still one. Had to be really. Thanks @Oded.

Oded

Funny that so many people are under the impression that the ban will just go away if they wait long enough.

Bart

Not reading what's in front of you will do that.

Oded

Strange that.

Bart

Hey @hims056, join us in our Unicorny goodness

hims056

11:10 AM

@Bart How can I join it?? (sorry I am too poor in chat)

Bart

I saw you had the same Unicorn hat as Oded and I @hims056. That's all.

hims056

Status completed! @Bart

Bart

Yay!! Now I still have to figure out how I got it

hims056

I really didn't do anything for at least an hour on Stack Overflow when I earned that hat.

Oded

secret hat is secret - though, with a sample of me, you, hims056 and MichaelHampton, you might see some patterns

Bart

11:15 AM

I'm guessing it's linked to Meta activity

hims056

Yeh I did too many things on Meta on that period.

hims056

11:47 AM

@Bart I doubt I really doubt it is related to Meta activity same as "Oh the Horror". I looked at the first page of leaderboard of MSO. No one has earned that hat on MSO.

rene

This answer is in the flag queue stackoverflow.com/questions/11356023/… I already voted to close the question but technically this does answer the question. Any advice?

hims056

May be some helpful (upvoted) comments, or Some numbers of completed review..

jmac

12:26 PM

It ain't reviews, Oded has none on SO in the time he earned the badge

I thought it may be comment edits, but Bart doesn't have one.

Johannes Kuhn

Good, flagged some posts on MSO as duplicate. Feel free to decline and keep the mess.

Bart

@rene I'd let it be, unless they're spamming it everywhere. (Which doesn't seem to be the case). I've voted to close the question. That's the real problem.

rene

12:41 PM

Ok, we're on the same page...seems like I'm start judging correctly.

Bart

Or you're merely becoming as evil as I am

rene

12:55 PM

I consider that as a compliment

Bart

1:15 PM

gah, getting serial-upvoted is perhaps even more annoying than downvoted.

Oded

@Bart just because of the big red number the day after, eh?

Doorknob of Snow

Like my new hat? :P No idea how I got it...

Bart

Yeah, or even when it doesn't seem to get reversed and you have this nagging "I don't deserve this" feeling @Oded. Well, not that I deserve any of the rep, but that's besides the point.

Gah, this is getting annoying. Perhaps someone wants a hat? stackoverflow.com/users/488657/bart?tab=reputation

SPArchaeologist

1:42 PM

@DoorknobofSnow - Ghost of WinterBash past... Did you upvote any post about the bash 2012 recently? I can confirm it is NOT given for trying to access the old bash site (already tried)

Doorknob of Snow

@SPArchaeologist no... idk how I got it :P

SPArchaeologist

Also.... anyone discovered anything about the egg on the new bash site? I suspect there is something going on, but didn't see anything

@DoorknobofSnow . The icon is the one of the necroposter hat from the old bash.

@DoorknobofSnow I believe it must have something to do with older posts.

@DoorknobofSnow - Yea. You have got the Necromancer badge. It must be that.

Doorknob of Snow

@SPArchaeologist ah yes, probably

SPArchaeologist

umm. Found a list of clues.

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Q: Winter Bash 2013: Secret Hats

Even after you earn them, secret hats refuse to tell you what you earned them for: What's the point of the hat, if it won't tell me how I earned it? This seems like a bug: The description should change from "this is a secret hat" to some real description after you've earned it. This question...

bug status-bydesign winterbash-2013

the Skyrim one....

I was an adventurer

but what would that mean?

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