Well, I think I have to write a more complex query, filtering out popular tags.

@JohannesKuhn here's the problem: there are over 700K questions with a single tag on SO

Maybe tomororw.

749214, if I'm doing this right

Yeah, TOP solved it

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/146202

there ya go

Sorry, in trying to test something I accidentally recommended a synonym that I didn't intend to (I thought the system would stop me). Is there any way to remove my own synonym suggestion? The synonym is linechart -> google-visualization

(or is proper thing to do making a meta thread?)

@jmac deleted. Go and sin no more.

@Shog9 Forgive me Shogger, for I have sinned. It has been 2 weeks since my last meta-confession (Thanks)

What technology do they use to label discs nowadays? It seems like the LightScribe standard has pretty much died off... Are there no longer good internal disc labelers?

And as promised last week, I have compiled the bible of synonym-request knowledge in to a single tidy meta post

@Shog9 Hand writing? My compulsive organization skills could never live with that...

Just need a ruler and some good stencils

@jmac good work

@jmac Is that number for SO only? If it is then my Meta number must be atrociously high, considering the looks of this page.

Remove “asking for code” from close reason - wasn't there a historical reason that was actually added, or am I remembering incorrectly?

@JonathanHobbs there was

@animuson For SO only, over the past 500 requests (sorry, I didn't dig through them all)

@Shog9 As stated, not something of critical importance, but there for when someone decides to tackle the issue on the SO side. Thanks again for the support. I learned more about DOM from that one tip you gave than from a dozen things I've read trying to figure out how it actually works with javascript.

@jmac Don't expect anything soon, but... We'll keep it in mind. Thanks for the write-up.

Also, you need to learn more about the DOM - that wasn't a particularly interesting snippet!

@Shog9 I am not a developer. My use of programming is limited to actually doing things I need done (which is usually trying to avoid manually doing data entry from websites with info on them). So reading more on the DOM may help, but since I am lacking some fundamentals, and usually documentation is toward understanding the big picture, it is slow going.

ah, fair point. Well, as a not-any-more-developer, I personally find jQuery very useful in quickly pulling information from web pages that would be exceedingly tedious to extract via normal methods.

Yeah, and I've tried reading through their documentation, but the documentation suffers from the same disease that documentation written by the mechanical engineers in my company suffers from: engineerism.

They start off assuming you know how to do X, Y, Z, and want to learn how to do A, B, and C in general cases, rather than presenting a problem similar to yours, and explaining how to solve it. That's why Excel is my tool of choice. I can use the macro recorder to show me what the VBA is to do a specific operation by actually doing it manually, and then generalize that to a loop for the other entries.

@jmac most of my rep on SO comes from explaining documentation to people. So... I guess you're not alone.

@Shog9 That's where mine is from too. I came here looking for help with google-visualization and ended up answering my own question by sifting through the documentation and fiddling, and in the end sticking around to help others out since I actually understood the documentation.

Now asgallant has taken over those duties after joining from the google mailing list, and he is infinitely better so I don't actually have to answer anything, just upvote his answers. Much easier.

I really liked eloquent javascript because it was objective based, but it is still covering much broader concepts on how to become a developer, rather than how to write code to get the job done in a wider variety of circumstances.

When I had my first job out of university many moons ago, I was doing QA for software which had me sitting in front of a linux box typing command line commands all day. That was dull, so I wrote a script to do my job for me. That was well worth it. That is the type of programming I like doing. If I get rich, I will hire a personal developer assistant to do that sort of stuff for me.

@Shog9 Trying to read through jquery documentation, this gem is wonderful. You click on the first item in the list, and the first sentence is starting way over my head: "Until now, we've been dealing entirely with methods that are called on a jQuery object. For example: 1 | $( "h1" ).remove();" Yeah. Way to totally confuse a new user.

(there has been zero discussion of anything up to that point beyond "learn javascript", which granted, I didn't do, but I think there is something missing even if I did know it)

@jmac the trick with jQuery is... If you already know JavaScript pretty well, it's very easy to pick up. At one point, you could probably have sat down and read through the whole library in about an hour, without really bothering with the documentation at all - it's gotten a bit more hairy since then, but... not by much.

Of course, if you don't already have a pretty good handle on the idiosyncrasies of JS... jQuery is not a good way to learn them.

oh. It also helps to have spent time thinking about sets.

I think I'd have to pick up a book to really get this stuff. I can see how it's supposed to work, but actually making it do so is a hassle.

I can get a list of all the IDs of questions on the front page of SO pretty easily.

JS is a hands-on language. Read examples, try them out in your browser, rinse, repeat.

But if I want to get a CSV of score, answers, views, title -- I get lost. I can do each individually. But combining? No mention of it anywhere.

So it feels like I'd be better off writing some bastard love child of javascript for loop and jquery selectors, and scare the pants off anyone who ever actually looked at my code

(someone someday is going to make a killing by creating an accessible programming language designed for normal businesspeople that is like the web version of Excel formulas)

Nope, okay, I can use .add() apparently. I think I should join some open source project as designated documenter. Clearly some developers have had one too many to document.

Hey hey

heey

It's been too long guys, what's up?

dramazz

@jmac $('.question-summary').map(function() { return [$('.votes .mini-counts', this).text(), $('.status .mini-counts', this).text(), $('.views .mini-counts', this).text(), $('h3', this).text()].toString(',') })

or some such

hehe

@Shog9 Me too.

@Shog9 Wait, it's that simple? Why is that not in the documentation anywhere! For the love of all that is holy, with 2 examples over the past week you have improved my understanding of how to do what I need better than about 100 hours of self-study through less than ideal documentation. Cannot express thanks enough.

What's mootinator (Kevin) going by these days?

@jmac it's just a bunch of little pieces - it just takes putting them together.

@Shog9 (and not 'or some such', as written that works, wow)

@Shog9 Yeah, I work in Japan, the land of the IT department who will develop an antiquated system in 9 months that doesn't solve your problem and is impossible to use rather than just giving you the tools to do it yourself. For me to mine data for work, I have to try to figure it out myself -- taking 9 months will get better results than asking for help most of the time.

And with the magical powers of digging through a dozen SO duplicate questions on how to turn a jquery object in to a string, I did some finagling and finally got it working. Yeehaw. JSFiddle here for those who want to see me do it the wrong way.

@jmac ooh, rubberecking

@Manishearth Rubberecking?

*rubbernecking

@Manishearth Still not following.

Is this special developer code language?

Oh, wait, I get it -- you're saying like watching a car accident, my code is something that people can't look away from?

Usually refers to when there's a car crash and traffic slows down because the people are "rubbernecking" -- they're slowing down at the location of the crash to just watch

@jmac Haven't looked at it yet, but since you allude to it being of that form I can't resist having a look :P

Hey, that code ain't bad

It's actually absurdly short and simple, but I'm sure it could be shorter and simpler, and I'm doing it the wrong way by manually tossing in another DOM element just so I can output somewhere.

(console.log doesn't work on JSFiddle, so I have to output somewhere, but it doesn't like document.writeln() either)

I'm just excited that I've finally figured out how to scrape info from the DOM on webpages with jquery, for my future endeavors (I was manually entering about 8 data points x 20 for about 50 webpages at the pace of one a day to maintain sanity. With this I may be able to do them all in a day!)

@jmac consolelog works for me

really?! My firebug says nuh-uh.

Also, this is shorter and more jQuery-y

$.each(qlist,function(i,v){
    $("testing").append('<br/>' + v)
});

@jmac My Chrome dev says yuh-huh

I tried to do that! But it didn't work. Because Syntax!

jsfiddle.net/yxS9M

@Manishearth Man, that is awesome. I am totally in to this jquery stuff (so long as people make it work right)

Though that $.each wasn't really necessary. For or foreach was fine.

Do you have a good beginner's jquery or javascript book to recommend? Like for people who drink beer through a straw level basic.

@jmac Nope. There is Resig's Secrets of the JavaScript Ninjas, but I've only flipped through that.

I've learned jQuery by using it.

Yes, and I am learning through using it, but other people are supplying me with the correct code, and I am understanding by reverse-engineering, not the 'proper' way

that's what I did too :P

Not recommending it, but it seems to work. Sort of.

I Googled stuff, came to Stack Overflow, and was like "ooh that looks like an interesting jQuery function!"

Yeah, I just want to grab a bunch of information off a bunch of pages and toss it in a spreadsheet. You would think the technical geniuses that make the net work would create tools to make this easier for the type of people who prefer to use Excel than a real tool

hah

I wonder if there's an add-in for your browser that lets you point at elements you want in 'groups' like rows in a spreadsheet, and it uses its computer-programminess genius to guess what you want in all the different parts of the page, and you just click "yes" or "no", and it outputs as a CSV ready for excel?

I find this JSON to CSV fiddle pretty useful

not that I know of, but it would be useful

@Manishearth That is cool, but assumes you know how to get JSON in the first place.

jQuery :P

jQuery is JSON?

Why don't they just name JSON jQuery object!

No, I sometimes generate JSON objects instead of CSV

Because I can localStorage it and deal with it in a useful form

It would just be awesome to go to a page, click the add-in on, click the title, the views, the answers, and the score, and it automatically digs through the page and grabs the similar-patterened elements, and outputs to CSV. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to write logic to try to do it too, if the page uses the same data format over and over.

CSV is useful! You can't use JSON in Excel. Excel is the jQuery for non-developers

The two things I constantly hanker for, but have never seen, are a tool to scrape webpages as explained above, and a simple tool for making relational databases that doesn't require an understanding of the inner workings of relational databases to use. MS Access is trying, I'm sure, but it definitely isn't succeeding.

Thanks for the help @Manishearth, and of course Shog. Time to go home and actually practice with this stuff. Thanks!

@Duncan And there we go stackoverflow.com/questions/19711616/… -8 as we speak.

@Shog9 are you around for some input?

@Dilaton So wait, it's OK for you guys to call everyone a troll, but when someone else calls you a troll after seeing TRF comments from both of you calling almost everyone as trolls or likewise, you want it deleted? That's hardly fair. I don't like that comment much, and I would prefer it to be constructive. But it's on chat, and I feel that there was sufficient provocation on the other side to make it OK. You start calling everyone else trolls, you lose the right to complain.

Also, I think CW meant that D10 is wrong in his insistence that the proportionality should mention natural units.

@Dilaton I don't think I've downvoted d10 on main, however he does have a tendency to be a bit unclear and scattered. He has been this way in his meta posts/chat at times. Maybe that's the reason for the downvotes? He's been having a steady stream of them since he joined, probably from different people. I noticed this when D10 was complaining about the deleted posts due to negative scoring; nobody's "out to get string theory", it's just that he may not write his posts as well for some readers.

Hehe

@DIMension10 I see a downvote every 2-3days for you in Sept

Its not changed much since then. Except for the three downvotes in one day, but I suspect that to be an outlier

ah.

Anyway, if all those downvotes came from the same person, we would know.

Can't give details, but we (mods) would know. Though Shog can be more sure about it that we can

The answer doesn't say that Kaku is wrong

and if you meant that, then you probably should have been clearer on that

You call the answer incorrect

You imply that the answer is saying G=T is incorrect.

I'd say you're being pretty unclear if you wanted to ask Sklivvz to mention that Kaku was correct

You could have just left a comment saying "It would be nice if you mentioned that Kaku's equation is correct."

@DIMension10 It doesn't look that way to me.

@DIMension10 ah

Still, same comment

The one in the question is incorrect unless it is in natural units. <--- that is what you want Sklivvz to say, no?

Because he never said anything to the contrary.

I know I haven't head my coffee yet, but did I accidentally stumble into physics chat? Is this not the chat where we post random nonsensical images, utter "Brown" in whatever way we can, and discuss the creation of The Shog?

You calling him incorrect and all ... just murkies up the situation and you lost the real point you were trying to make

@Bart brown

Phew

Had me worried there for a moment

waffles

backward sunglasses

mootinator

Tim!

@DIMension10 Sure, but you never mention that your original comment was due to your confusion

Instead, you post this:

Which is a bit aggressive and does not really convey anything to Sklivvz.

Also, note that when there are multiple ways of looking at a situation, it's OK if one answer addresses one side and the other answer addresses the other

@DIMension10 What annoys me most in this case is that instead of being constructive, you were aggressive, again, and you failed to make yourself clear in the process. Maybe, instead of approaching stuff like "This is wrong! I must berate the answerer and get this fixed!", maybe, just maybe , if you approached it as "This is wrong, let me calmly show the answerer why and hope he improves the answer", you might end up being clearer and actually getting things done.

Ok, @Bart, you can have your chat back

Haha @Manishearth, don't worry about it. It's welcome here.

heh

Surprising, that, because you called a possibly misleading answer incorrect, and then continued to rail against a point that was not even mentioned in the answer, but failed to mention that the issue with the answer was that it did not contain said point.

@Bart So, how's meta these days? I've been really busy with studies and my own metas, so not been able to participate much (might do so in winter)

Fairly quiet to be honest @Manishearth. Don't know if I'm imagining things, but all seems to go rather smooth. I'm almost starting to miss certain individuals.

hah

If you like rough metas visit Physics. :P

Or SF.

I think I might use my sock-puppet just to rant about moderator abuse at some point. To liven things up a bit.

Ha, yeah, no thanks

Have them pay me to become a community moderator. Then I might consider it. :P

@Bart that ... is a good idea

@Bart I probably could create one using my knowledge of the tools that could only have been posted by a mod or someone who was the victim of modabuse :P

Something like "casperOne used <redacted(supersekrit tool)> on me and now I am <redacted>. Mod abuse!"

Great idea ... though discussing this publicly might not have been the best idea we've ever had.

Come to think of it, we haven't had a casperOne complaint in a while .... good old days.

Oh, only Oded and Shog are around. Shog loves chaos, and Oded is one of us in spirit

Sklivvz might be a problem .. but only to the extent that he'll steal our idea and use it first

That's it then. Let "Operation Shitstorm" commence ....... that might need a better name.

CNN should absolutely hire me for their idents @UV-D. I can bring breaking news like nobody else.

Do tell

@Manishearth - good thing you only mentioned my name twice. One more and things could haved ended up badly.

Oded Oded Oded

aaaaaahhh his face is in my computer screen

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!

it's like bloody mary but worse!

Now, how am I going to get back home?

There should be a chat easter egg. Three mentions of the dev's name covers the screen with that dev's face. If a mod does it it happens to everyone's screen. Just because.

@Oded dedO dedO dedO?

Clever. Though now my face is on backwards.

I guess that's OK

@UV-D hahaha

hahaha @UV-D. That's awesome

:D

I did that when we were in the optics lab. Pitch dark except for the lasers, I picked up a blue minilamp, kept it below my chin, quietly walked behind a friend, tapped him on the shoulder, and quickly turned it on with a sinister grin on my face. Scared shitless

Reminds me of this time I remotely turned on the robot head we had in the lab where I worked, when a colleague tried to touch it.

By minilamp I mean a moderately directional lamp that was pretty tiny and could be kept pretty much anywhere. Ideal for reading/writing on a lab, more ideal for spookytimes

You can also turn them up and blind people temporarily with them

Or have someone at the switch making them strobe and then start dancing maniacally

@Bart I scare people in the comp room via SSH all the time

I also make a bunch of computers in an area randomly play a tune (via beep)

Ooh, ooh, sometimes I randomly stab colleagues ....... what? Too far?

hahaha

Height is a great thing if you want to scare people. :)

I thought those were reserved to people from the evil reality

Maybe he is from the evil reality...

Maybe reality is all evil

"irradiation monochromator" ... yeah, as if that's a real thing. Stop making up random words @UV-D.

Then I want one!

:)

(with compliments to @Sklivvz) ^^^

A veritable classic

@DIMension10 Questions don't simply get automatically deleted just for having negative score. If they have little attention and no answers as well, with the passage of time. That tends to mean they are not good questions (for whatever site they have been asked on) and should be deleted.

Geez, 18 hours of debating where a question belongs in comments, dragging it around several sites, and not a user edits its mess into shape. GRRR

Heh, more or less.

@Manishearth I hope Physics SE will not really go closing or even deleting all the nice advanced technical questions about CFT, ST, etc as tpg2114 wants to. For example the questions asked by user 26143 are very valuable for all people who are studying these topics at an advanced level, and he always gets immensely nice answers by Trimok and others.

@Dilaton what am i missing? isn't he talking about homework? and why would anyone delete good/useful stuff even if policies change?

Can you do something to protect such questions? Accounting a stumbling block in a derivations when self-studying such advanced topics should IMHO not be tagged homework, and it often needs new insights and explanations to remove it. Please @Manishearth, there are very few such adavanced technical questions coming in anyway, could you not to something to protect them?

@Sklivvz because many advanced technical questions are IMHO wrongly tagged as homework, such they are seriously threathend by people who share tpg2114's opinion ... :-(

I don't think anyone wants to remove useful material. If a question is homework and if we decide to ban homework, and it is useful, it should be kept (there's an "historical lock" feature that can be used). Clearly a homework question that has no answers though seems hardly useful or worth keeping...

By homework, i assume that the general "no effort" rule applies: even at a high technical level people should put some effort before asking, in which case all questions become real questions and not simply "I am lazy, do my homework for me"

@Dilaton If they just want a derivation or some such, they're still homework and will be closed.

however

high level problems like these usually can be converted into conceptual ones.

And that's the focus of the new HW policy. Try to get them to make the question conceptual/non homework

Usually if there is physical insight required, it's not hard to write it as a conceptual question

I don't have any examples offhand, but I've seen this happen -- an HW question that just wants some steps becomes a good conceptual question because it focuses on the physical insight.

However, if you're defining "good question" as "one about high level topics", I can't help you here. There are bad questions in high level topics as well. You have to accept that. I've seen you pick up pretty broad high level questions and complain about their closing, just because its high level doesn't make it good.

You may want a high level physics.SE, we want a Physics.SE with good questions and good answers with good representation from all difficulty levels.

Also, closing isn't that bad. If the question is asked by a good student (as almost all high level qs are), usually it will be something more fundamental than a mathematical stumbling block; something with physical insight/concepts involved.

In that case, it should be easy to improve.

Also, you're totally misrepresenting what tpg was trying to say, and I wish you'd stop doing that.

He was playing part-devil's advocate there. Trying to bounce around various viewpoints. His initial POV may be that of "high level derivation problems are bad", but he identifies the other POV and partially sympathizes with it.

Hey, @Gabe! Dooku!

@Manishearth Never heard of it!

Don't make me flag your Brazilian @Manishearth ...

@Bart Wait till you hear what coolatta means in Italian

(spelt differently)

"Hey, Dunkin' Donuts, I'd like a large coolatta?" "WHAT DID YOU SAY??"

Dammit, now I'll have to refrain myself from saying that when our Italian clients come on Friday

haha

@Dilaton See: simply, if the question requires physical insight, that's great, and it will get reopened on editing (or never closed). If not, then it depends. Some kinds of mathematical insight is important in TP. That's OK too.

Looking at that user's questions, most of them are OK if edited

Also, can you please stop this persecution complex? People on the site are not out to get string theory. Just that they may not hold it in special importance as you do.

That's an important difference.

They don't hate ST, they just hold it at the same regard as any other topic.

Tell you what, when I get time, I'll bring up a meta post for you where I discuss such questions. TP is about mathematics as well, I agree, so there might be some relaxation in terms of mathematics questions in a TP context tagged as hw. I'd like to see the community's opinion on that; if you can give me examples of such questions that would be great. (I already have these).

Make a list of these, pastebin them, and ping me with them. Try to categorize them as ones you find homeworky and ones which you think should stay. (If there are too many I may want to pick out only a few, so it is good to have some categorization done for me). Take as long as you want, I probably won't have the time to draft the meta post this week anyway.

Once I post it, see if you can get Lubos or the like to be a part of the discussion as they are knowledgeable about the topic and they will be in a better position to determine guidelines as to what ST/TP/(other mathematically intensive branches) stuff is and isn't homeworky.

Does that work?

I'll admit I've been pretty on the fence when reviewing mathematical TP posts on our site. It's a good discussion to have.

Also, again, try not to think that people have a grudge against a topic (unless that topic is "homework" :P ); what Sklivvz said makes sense to me:

> I don't think anyone wants to remove useful material.

Here's something to think about: Remember the old "too localized"? Does that apply to the ST homework questions you see? Will anybody else come across these via Google and be helped? Will anybody else have the same question? Because if not, these posts have much less benefit to the world than the others. Views aren't everything, but a post that just helps the OP and the answerers and a couple of tag visitors has much less utility than one that continues to help people as long as it is up.

@Bart sorry again, let me resuscitate the room (again)

brown brown brown gucci unicorn waffles

oscillation

there, that should do it

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Fun read

I held my breath that entire time @Manishearth.

hahaha

@Bart Here's a fun activity for you guys! Annotate your rep graphs!

these are fun to make

given my Meta graph compared to my SO graphs.... I'm pretty sure all it'd say is "I need help".

hah

Hey, what should be done about users just adding regex tags to everything containing the word "regular expression"? stackoverflow.com/users/1082583/…

waterboarding

But all unnecessary cruelty aside, good reviews are what should happen there.

I left a comment for the user @Qantas94Heavy

'kay, time to go

Dooku!

Coolatta!

@Bart: thanks for that.

But really, the big issue is not the user making many such edits @Qantas94Heavy. The issue is them getting through review. If nothing stops you, why would you reconsider your edits...

Every time it gets accepted, the user hears a big "well done, keep doing that".

@Manishearth ok thanks, I will need some time indeed (preparing an important and "risky" talk at present) and until Christmas I can neither talk on meta nor ping anybody on Physics SE, but I can probably ask some at other channels. You should try to get for example Trimok into the discussion too then, since he is among the people who gives greate and patient answers to the questions I was (still am slightly) worried about... Thanks for your helpful reply.

@Bart: the vast majority of them were all approved, with only a few getting a single reject for being too minor (but still getting through anyway).

Yep, so you can't blame the user for thing "I must be doing well".

@Dilaton feel free to ping on my metaSO answers or set up a room here

good grief... I go to bed with dreams of javascript dancing in my head and the tavern turns into Days Of Our Physics.

@DIMension10 enough with the pissing contest - it doesn't matter.

Also, stop down-voting folks you think are down-voting you. You're wrong, and whatever method you're using to try and figure out that which is supposed to be private is obviously not working since you're not even close.

Also, maybe consider that the folks giving you advice are trying to help you and stop arguing with them long enough to learn something.

Now, coffee.

I tried to stop them @Shog9, but they wouldn't listen ... it was horrible .... HORRIBLE!

@dim we have pure physics for grad/phd level. And yes, the program is EP, but it is almost pure P contentwise. Stress on almost

Stop saying you know more about my college than I do. It's really aggravating, and arrogant.

</physics>

Mom...MOOOM....they're doing it again!!

@Bart oh hey, what's up?

Sorry bout that, @Shog. Probably shouldn'tve replied but I get pretty angry if people start saying falsehoods about my college

Hola, ooh, I had a question for you, if you don't mind @Shog9

shoot

It's about this answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/203887/161198

It annoys me. :)

The content in the post was deleted for a reason. So why repost it for illustration purposes, when ultimately it doesn't really illustrate anything but what a single user has said

I was tempted to edit it out, but then wasn't, and then was again.... what to do?

....actually I don't see why you can't have answers that reply to another answer on meta. We're repurposing q&a software for discussion, there ought to be some leeway

So I don't get why the original had to be deleted.

@Bart it was deleted because @DIMension10 wanted to down-vote me but didn't have enough reputation to do it without deleting his (heavily-downvoted) answer first.

@bart oscillate. Obviously.

@Shog9 Nah, it had two delete votes before that, then was deleted by Dim and undeleted. Then deleted again by me and Oded.

Yeah

(Yeah, delete-undelete by the user resets any cast close/delete votes)

@Bart sure, it might've been deleted for other reasons, but in actuality it wasn't.

And then a trusted 3rd-party copied it for illustration purposes, which is his prerogative, and the community chose not to re-delete that copy.

Okay, I'll leave it alone then.

Trusted third party? Sounds like Nick's using him as a CA :P

@bart it resets? I thought that was fixed. Hmm...

I can't find it now (it actually might've been on User Voice...) but when 10K visibility for deleted answers was first implemented there were some folks upset about that - they felt that folks should be able to get rid of their work permanently. My answer to that was that they're free to delete it, but once given it belongs to the community - so someone else is free to copy the answer and restore it that way.

(Note that 10/20K users can't undelete user-deleted answers...)

@Manishearth

I recall that answer, yes

Ooh, thanks. Upvote fodder

@Shog9 Myeah, I can kind of see that idea. Ah well, I'll take my own advice and move on I guess.

And yeah, this is sort of a strange application of that philosophy... But Meta is a strange application of SE.

No argument there

Meta is strange, period

And that's why we like it?

In any case, thanks for that @Shog9.

np

Morning.

Evening

What day is it?

shalom shalom.

Shalom :)

What's new?

Enjoying some Meta drama.

lol

Working on lots of cool projects today.

Yay!

Perhaps you should inform him that this is now a Physics chat room @Oded.

I'll leave that announcement to @Manishearth

@Oded If a question is deleted which had several other questions closed as a dupe of that one, is there nothing in place which triggers un-duping them or perhaps something on the Mod site to give them some attention?

@Bart Nothing that I am aware of. Dupes need love.

Okay, thanks. Just wondering. Stumbled on something that was closed as a dupe of a now deleted question.

@Manishearth I always disagreed with questions like the ones of user26143 you just linked to tagged homework. IMHO they are just legitimate technical questions of a student learning some fairly advanced thing.

@Dilaton How does that make them not homework

You do know that the policy is about homework and homework-like, right?

And it's doesn't say that "homework" is "bad"

Let's take this to another room

I think not every technical question involving some calculation too to explain things should be tagged homework in the first place. If such technical questions about rather mathematical topics would be disallowed for some reason, it would discourage people asking at a technical level compared to people who just want to know about a subject at an equation free level.

Btw, the tumor of Physics Tavern on the Meta has been removed and the room is back to its original brown state

it is kept on display here:

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/652/…

Hahaha @Manishearth, fair enough. I hope you understood my comments were just in jest.

@Bart 'course :) Still, better to keep Physics off this room

No point having a discussion where the regulars won't (or are too scared to) comment

Haha, not too scare @Manishearth. Just not aware of the whole picture there. And we can try and inject it with Tavern humour, but I have a sneaking suspicion that might not always go over too great in that case.

hah

The recent metapost does expose some of the whole picture, but 'tis a long tale

Myeah, have done some reading as a result of that one. I don't envy you

@Bart heh. some of the rather crucial trainwreck posts involved are deleted now, though

Still, currently it's pretty enjoyable; good things are happening

Yeah, that's what I figured from some of them

Okay, good