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12:23 AM

@Shog9: Is that question really a good fit for Meta? It still seems not constructive even here...

@animuson It's a meta-question. I'm not really sure why it was never migrated before, but I'm scanning through the closed [untagged] questions and came across it.

Not saying it has any lasting value other than historical interest, but... Never know. It stayed open on SO for quite a while.

animuson

The title doesn't sit right with me, but I can't think of a better way to reword that.

It just sounds like a setup for someone to say "yes" and crush your feelings...

Shog9

@animuson And yet, somehow that didn't happen. SO was really a very friendly place once upon a time...

Tim Stone

Oh, are we going to hear a "Back in the day..." story now? pulls up a chair

animuson

Back in the day Tim Stone had more reputation than me. :P

Shog9

12:34 AM

Yeah, back when Tim was a young'un...

BTW, @animuson - you kinda lost something in that title edit: originally, the author claimed to be able to answer 1% of questions.

(yeah, if you can answer 1% of all questions on SO today, you're sitting pretty good)

animuson

@Shog9: I threw it in the body. :)

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand There was, just so you know you're not completely crazy.

@animuson I blame @RebeccaChernoff, personally. I haven't quite figured out why, but I'll got there....I'll get there. nods

Rebecca Chernoff

status-declined

Tim Stone

Ah, I found it! If you had fixed this bug, then the bump would have surely netted me more reps!

This related issue is already at +12, I could have been 25 reps further along!

Speaking of fixing things....

I need to figure out what's still on my to-do list for Data Explorer, now that I've finished all the bits that were in-progress.

I should probably stop relying on my memory for these to-do lists, that seems to turn out poorly.

Rebecca Chernoff

1:05 AM

ah yes, SEDE. I'm going to finish up with your changes tomorrow.

Tim Stone

Uh oh. :P

Cool, I hope it hasn't been too unpleasant sifting through all that, heh.

Rebecca Chernoff

hmm, have my voodoo dolls not been working?

q:

Tim Stone

I did almost throw up at work yesterday, so...maybe. >_>

ajax333221

are users notified if I open a new room with them?

Tim Stone

1:26 AM

I know you get notified in chat of a new invitation to join a room...pretty sure it appears in the global inbox at some point too.

ajax333221

okey thanks

animuson

@TimStone: Why does the global inbox notification link me to the chat transcript for the room? That's inconvenient if you actually, you know, wanted to join the room?

Tim Stone

clears throat and pretends to be balpha: Well, how else would it work? The message you're being linked to isn't guaranteed to be in the current room view. You can easily join the room from the transcript using the button on the right, or in the case that you want to reply to the message in question, using the "reply to this message" link in the action menu.

animuson

Good impression. :)

ajax333221

2:10 AM

my desktop chair got broken, I am now using a very uncomfortable one

as a bright side, this is preventing me from going more than 2hrs in a row on the computer

animuson

I used to use my trash can flipped upside down with a pillow on top of it. ^_^

ajax333221

for how long until you bought a new chair?

animuson

a few weeks

DragonLord the Fiery

3:38 AM

Just got invited to Careers 2.0, and I'm creating my profile (which is private at this time), and I'm experiencing this problem:

The sites don't show up. I've found several questions on Meta describing this problem, but the problem isn't solved, so what can I do?

(As a side note, the invitation was probably as a result of my record of contributions to Super User...)

Shog9

@DragonLordtheFiery Make double-sure you've associated the OpenID you use on SO with your Careers account. The authentication systems are separate.

If that checks out, just move on and send an email to careers@stackexchange.com with your details - they'll get it sorted out.

DragonLord the Fiery

Yes, the OpenIDs are the same

jadarnel27

4:09 AM

GENTLEMEN

...brown.

Shog9

4:35 AM

Brown Album

Brown Album is the fifth studio album by alternative rock band Primus. It was released on July 8, 1997. It was the first Primus release to not feature drummer Tim Alexander; as such, this is their first album to feature Bryan "Brain" Mantia. Track listing Personnel * Les Claypool – bass, vocals * Larry LaLonde – guitar * Bryan "Brain" Mantia – drums * Produced by Primus * Engineered by Les Claypool * Production coordinator: Jill "Galaxy Queen" Rose * Studio assistant: Tim "Soya" Soylan Reception | rev2=Entertainment Weekly | rev2score = C | rev3=Rolling Stone | rev3score = }}...

Tim Stone

6:01 AM

Well, I almost had it :P

Esailija

so this: stackoverflow.com/questions/12051755/… constructive or not? to me it seems not

dystroy

11:03 AM

Hi

I just spent 10 minutes in reviewing edits

and most of them were simply a user (the same) removing "thanks" in all questions

most of those edits were already refused as "too minor"

Is there something to do ?

stackoverflow.com/users/1066031/sudo-o?tab=reputation

I see no problem in one user gaining some reputation from this (that's not so much) but this is just cluttering the edit system in my opinion

@Esailija I agree with you. Clearly not constructive, even if interesting.

Yannis Rizos

11:33 AM

@Shog9 Hey you around? I'm locked out of TL ;P

balpha

@YannisRizos I'm here

looking

Yannis Rizos

@balpha Thanks. I'm getting an access denied, my chat parent user is set to ProgSE where I'm a mod, and I don't even see TL in my list of favourite rooms...

balpha

you posted a message there 4 minutes ago

so this just happened?

should be good now -- the API apparently claimed you weren't a moderator

Yannis Rizos

@balpha Yes, I dropped a question there, then wrote and posted a message and got a "this room doesn't exist" error.

balpha

refreshing your profile got the diamond back

I blame the circumstances. Or Kevin.

Yannis Rizos

11:37 AM

@balpha Kevin it is. Thanks ;)

balpha

np

Tim Stone

12:22 PM

Hmm, IT Security Town Hall is at this time tomorrow morning yawns I hope I'm more awake then...to the coffee maker!

Moshe

1:13 PM

Anyone here?

I'm looking to read an ISO standard, but they're really expensive. Any ideas where to look for it?

Tim Yi Jiang

Hmmm, universities have subscriptions that allow you to read things like that?

Moshe

Maybe. I tried looking last night, didn't get anywhere.

Bart

You have a link? Can have a look to see if there is a uni access to that. Doubt it though

Moshe

I'm interested in ISO/IEC 7810 through ISO/IEC 7813.

Tim Yi Jiang

Wow, those are pretty darn expensive

Bart

1:16 PM

:s Nope, no such access for me. Not surprising though, given how hard we have to fight for IEEE subscriptions

Moshe

@TimYiJiang Yea, I know. I really really really want to do this the right way, but security by obscurity stinks.

They're charging 66 Swiss Francs, roughly 70 USD. On Amazon, it's about 120 USD.

Tim Yi Jiang

Well, what are you trying to do?

Moshe

:-D

Playing with Square.

Tim Yi Jiang

Nice, but why would you need the credit card standards for that?

Moshe

So I can have an easier time writing code to read data.

Otherwise, I have to do a lot of reversing and guesswork.

Looks like school has some books on the subject, but not what I was looking for.

jcolebrand

1:35 PM

21 mins ago, by Moshe

I'm looking to read an ISO standard, but they're really expensive. Any ideas where to look for it?

It's called a "library" and while scary, it's really the portal to all sorts of information. Get off your duff and go ask a reference librarian.

quit mucking about asking us

Tim Yi Jiang

Actually, I'm quite sure you won't find it in most public libraries

Or even technical ones in universities

jcolebrand

@TimYiJiang he's going to university

I had subscriptions through my uni

and I wasn't even at that big of a Uni

granted, we had an active elec eng department

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the resource he needs access to?

Tim Yi Jiang

To ISO credit card specifications?

jcolebrand

@TimYiJiang ISO specifications at all?

Tim Yi Jiang

Actually, I'm not sure if ISO offers subscriptions

jcolebrand

1:39 PM

@dystroy While those are sufficient edits, we prefer edits to improve sentence structure, grammar and spelling. If the edit is only for ~~thanks~~ then it's probably too minor.

grrr, what the hell is <strike> in here again?

Tim Yi Jiang

Triple dashes

Also, use <del> :P

jcolebrand

maybe I'm recollecting wrongly, it has been five years and two jobs since I was in Uni ...

I would still ask there to start, because if the Uni has resources to that (and this is NYC we're talkin bout) then they would know

dystroy

@jcolebrand thanks. Should we say a (kind) word to the guy who's still editing to remove "thank you" ? If so how ?

(not the last edit, though)

jcolebrand

@dystroy via comment on one of the posts he has edited (by @name), it is my understanding that this alerts him. Alternately, find somewhere he has commented recently and invite him to chat

Popular Demand

2:09 PM

@TimStone Thanks. Now to measure the size of the gap between "nobody believes you" and "only Tim Stone believes you."

Tim Stone

Here, I'll hold one end of the tape measure.

Moshe

@jcolebrand Been there already.

I went to my Uni's library last night.

jcolebrand

3:34 PM

who wants to discuss creative hellbanning?

Bart

Creative hellbanning? Does that involve paint and glitter?

jcolebrand

first off, what is hellbanning?

mootinator

Geez, nobody has said anything in over an hour...

jcolebrand

Anyways, consider this:

Bart

codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-hellban.html

jcolebrand

3:38 PM

(sorry, work beckons, back to play later)

Anonymous

6:49 PM

So many <3s to SEI/SO. Just got a full-time job thanks to my Stack Overflow participation, starting right after the end of my current non-permanent position, which also happened because of Stack Overflow.

Anonymous

<3 <3 <3

Anonymous

("So many" in this case meaning four.)

Popular Demand

7:02 PM

@TheElementofMagic And here I thought those were just legends, like multi-horned unicorns. Congrats!

Anonymous

:P Thanks!

ajax333221

7:18 PM

the person below me V is awesome

jadarnel27

First!

Popular Demand

7:40 PM

It's been 20 minutes and I don't have the perfect answer to my question? Time to escalate to The Tavern.

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Q: Relative file path being applied from project directory instead of original directory

My program reads in a document from a location that is not the project root directory. The doc contains a relative path. When the program applies that path, it does start from the project's root directory. How can I make it apply the path from the document's original location? Here are the deta...

Tim Stone

Hmmm

That doesn't seem right...

Popular Demand

It is, of course, possible that I've interpreted something wrong.

I've now encountered this with two different libraries, though. Although I don't know anything about how one of them works, so they could be doing the same thing in the backend.

Tim Stone

What is resolver?

Popular Demand

Custom subclass of javax.xml.transform.URIResolver. Actually that's what I'm looking at now because I don't really understand what it does.

Tim Stone

In the general case of having a compiled Schematron, with Saxon at least the relative paths will resolve based on where the (compiled) Schematron document is located.

Or so is the case in our program, anyway.

But we aren't compiling the Schematron document to XSLT on the fly...so I'm thinking perhaps the problem is there, and relates to the URIResolver?

Popular Demand

7:55 PM

It's pretty short. I thought about including it in the post, but it made everything seem far too crazy. All it does is try to open a FileInputStream to the argument.

Tim Stone

Hmm...

Popular Demand

This was originally designed to run as a JAR, but I'm trying to modify it so it can be used as part of another program. Hmm, I wonder if it would have been possible to keep the JAR "whole" and just use knowledge of the source to run things....

For what it's worth, there were no errors running the JAR from the command line.

Tim Stone

Is the nesting the same when you run it as a jar, or?

Popular Demand

Nesting? You mean the directory structure?

Tim Stone

Yeah

Popular Demand

8:01 PM

Yes, although come to think of it, when I ran it as a JAR, I couldn't just dump it in the project's lib folder, I had to create otherwise-unnecessary subdirectories, so maybe it did have the same issues.

Tim Stone

Oh

Of course.

Heh

Popular Demand

In my (meager) defense, I'm just returning to this after doing other stuff for the past few days.

Tim Stone

I think you need to setSystemId, because you're passing in a byte stream and the StreamSource has no information about what to use for relative paths (and so it uses cwd as a default)

Popular Demand

9:16 PM

This (re-)raises an interesting question: at what point does browser market share become so low that "too localized" is justified? — Popular Demand 18 secs ago

Purmou

10:44 PM

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Q: Ember, AngularJS and Knockout.js comparison

As far as I know, these are the most famous Javascript MVC frameworks that are declarative and imperative. I've been learning Ember for a couple of weeks. My notes about it are that it is very promising and I love it, while on the other and it is immature and of course has documentation shortage...

knockout.js ember.js angularjs

curious why this was closed

if anyone sees this eventually, would you mind explaining exactly why it isn't constructive?

thanks

mootinator

11:00 PM

@Purmou It's subjective, SO questions are generally supposed to be the sort which have one or more definitive answer(s).

Purmou

but it's not subjective

he wants a comparison between three languages--the subjective part was removed from the question

the answer is also not subjective

mootinator

"compare two things" is very open-ended.

It would be more constructive if there were a specific need being addressed.

Purmou

i don't really think so. i mean, the answer is very well-written, and the content is great to have on the site

do you disagree that it's good content, regardless of whether it's not constructive?

mootinator

There's good content, and there's good content which doesn't fit very well here. ;)

Purmou

shouldn't that be an indication of another problem? :P

mootinator

11:06 PM

The question isn't whether the single answer is good, it's whether it's a good idea to leave the question open and collect a bunch more opinions.

Really, it isn't fair to let one person have their say and nobody else, either, but alas, that's how this system works.

Purmou

i really don't like that.

"that's how this system works."

then there is an apparent flaw in the system, isn't there?

yet, when we want to bring up a flaw in the system, the old farts go berserk. :P

Tim Stone

What's useful about that answer?

Purmou

it's generally well-written and a good comparison between three similar frameworks

Tim Stone

How is a comparison between three frameworks useful, if not for the subjective goal of telling you which framework you should use (which someone else cannot answer for you)?

Purmou

well, here's my thinking

if it's good content to have

then the goal of those reading it is theirs to think about

if he asked it in order to pick one, then that's his thing to think about, but the question isn't phrased like that anymore

i don't think we should take into account the asker's intentions when closing

if the question's good and fits within the FAQ, why not leave it open?

in any case, here

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Q: Why did this question about framework comparisons get closed?

This question, to my surprise, was closed. I honestly have no idea why. The question fits perfectly within the FAQ, is not particularly subjective (nor is the answer), and it's generally good content. From the FAQ: [I]f your question generally covers practical, answerable problems that are ...

discussion specific-question closed-questions not-constructive

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