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Roethlisberger is not having a good night huh?

@drachenstern Didn't seem that way did it?

@TimStone nope

Anyways, I saw my commercials, I liked a few of 'em, time to find something else on TV

A man had 50 yard line tickets for the Super Bowl.
As he sat down, he noticed that the seat next to him was empty.
He asked the man on the other side of the empty seat whether anyone was sitting there.
"No," the man replied, "The seat is empty."
"This is incredible," said the first man.
"Who in their right mind would have a seat like this for the Super Bowl, the biggest sporting event in the world and not use it?"
The second man replied, "Well, actually, the seat belongs to me. I was supposed to come with my wife, but she passed away.

ok, good ending. would have loved to see the Steelers come back in the last minute, maybe tie it up

but if that's a silly thing to say, note that I saw only five minutes of football the whole year.

3:11 AM

So, nobody threw an interception on the last drive?

@mootinator clock runout

Hahahah

was it bad?

Super bowl half time shows are always bad. I don't know why people think it'll be any different this year. (;

3:13 AM

@MichaelPetrotta yeah

lights were out, the mics were off, the performers seemed to be missing a few steps

@DanGrossman lol

Needs moar wardrobe malfunction

@RebeccaChernoff because the glass is always 55% full it's just the curvature of the liquid that makes it seem to only be 50%

riiiiiight

Measure from the meniscus, that's what my home ec/chemistry teacher always said...

@drachenstern What are you talking about? That was a perfect circle.

Since all circles should look like they were freehand.

3:16 AM

This is from the educated part of my family (inlaws)

> SO KNOW HAS I WAS WHO NEEDS THEM TOWELS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREEN BAY ALL THE WAY

@mootinator that's what it's called!!!

@drachenstern ...What? I can't even figure out how to decipher that.

@TimStone thank you

Meniscus

The meniscus (plural: menisci, from the Greek for "crescent") is the curve in the upper surface of a standing body of liquid, produced in response to the surface of the container or another object. It can be either convex or concave. A convex meniscus occurs when the molecules have a stronger attraction to each other (cohesion) than to the container (adhesion). This may be seen between mercury and glass in barometers. Conversely, a concave meniscus occurs when the molecules of the liquid attract those of the container. This can be seen between water and an unfilled glass. One can over-f...

I think she was trying to say she was right

alcohol. it explains lots.

3:18 AM

@drachenstern The fun thing is that until Chrome's spell checker underlined it, I thought it was miniscus and referred specifically to the bottom.

@MichaelPetrotta you know her???

@drachenstern: We were waiting to tell you.

lol

Why do they say "The Green Bay Packers are world champions" if it's a competition among teams of one country?

Hey, now. Two countries.

3:23 AM

AFC and NFC count as two different countries?

...I think... I'm thinking Canada, or is that baseball only?

The CFL is basically training camp for the NFL :P

I thought canada only had hockey

The province I live in has only one professional sports team.

It happens to be a football team.

So we pretend we like football more here because of sour grapes, I think.

I figured you couldn't play anything but hockey due to all the ice in canada.

3:26 AM

How far will Dan go to piss off the Canadians?

Take off, eh.

indeed

And another sister in law (#2) has just learned the important advantage of not letting sister-in-law (#4) (the genius of earlier note) ever touch her computer

#2's computer now has a virus, no alternate browser, frostwire (iirc) and no antivirus

she has Norton's trial (expired), AVG 2011 trial (expired), and McAfee something or other. She got the computer less than 45 days ago.

w

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lolllllllll

3:34 AM

just give them all iPads and move on.

if people would just pay the $0.89 for their songs instead of pirating them when they're not savvy enough to do it without downloading executables....urgh

@DanGrossman: sometimes you can catch a virus by just exploiting of OS vulnerability

@zerkms this was not such a case

We (society) already won the digital media war. We can get music, when we want it, in whatever format we want it, on whatever device we want it, without DRM, easily and affordably. There's no excuse for pirating it anymore, not for these people at least.

the user allowed their system to be compromised

3:37 AM

@drachenstern: i had caught in such way in the latest friday

at work

:-S

And antivirus is now free. Consumer commercial AV is a dead industry. Give them Microsoft Security Essentials.

@DanGrossman I thought that was installed

antivirus did not catch it

with the newest bases

at least the one our company uses (nod32 :-S )

If she didn't know that yet, she could've gone to Staples/Best Buy/whatever and picked up Norton/McAfee for FREE. They give them "free after mailin rebates" everywhere all the time. It's tax season, they can probably get that AND their tax software for free after rebates at the same time.

6 mins ago, by Michael Petrotta

just give them all iPads and move on.

This is where things are going, it's sad :(

I'm not too sad, really. PCs make it way, way too easy to get oneself into trouble, piracy notwithstanding.

we need a better consumer model

3:44 AM

I love squirrels.

Q: How best to 'hide' embarrassing jobs on a resume (e.g. Yahoo senior software engineer)?

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I have several positions on my resume that I'm not particularly proud of (such as my two years as a Yahoo senior software engineer). What's the best way to massage away these periods of my life on my resume? I was thinking of leaving it off completely, but then people will ask what I did for two ...

@DanGrossman she has a hard time typing `c:` so ... no

So now that the Super Bowl is over, what's next?

3:50 AM

Back to shaking a fist at Chrome!

@Moshe slashdotting

@TimStone you know, you gotta stop that eventually, either you'll smash your monitor by mistake, or give yourself alzheimers, Gd forbid.

@drachenstern did you see that article about an ex-gf getting revenge through gaming Google Images?

probably, go ahead and relink me

tech.slashdot.org/story/11/02/06/1926206/…

I do not understand these new cars with the ability to read "real-time facebook status updates" to you

3:54 AM

(My MacBook is tied up at the moment, transcoding last nights concert. I'm on iPad, so I may not see everyone's replies immediately.)

@DanG you need to integrate your spy software into those cars. That would be cool.

No, even I don't need a list of people visiting my website while I'm driving somewhere

how do I force googlecache?

Hao do u wut?

@DanGrossman what's the problem with it?

@DanGrossman get the link for a page from googlecache

I don't understand the question

Oh

Q: Don't you think that it's time for some Stack Exchange shirts?

3:57 AM

Twas worth suggesting. You all can go up vote my meta answer with the word "Yes" in there a few times in different languages, if you are bored.

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This is for you Jeff. We're asking and begging and pleading (and maybe even willing to pay) for some shirts!!!! We know you've got to have some hiding under your bed. Don't you think it's time to share with those that deserve it? Perhaps to the newly elected mods, or maybe even all those th...

discussion feature-request t-shirt

My answer, edited a bit by @Sathya. Feel free to add more languages too. In case Jon Skeet speaks more languages.

Hey, how do you say "yes" in leetspeak?

`/35?

Ah, perhaps.

No clue. Wait...

I finished 13th in the SB Prop Bets ):

Top 4 payout |:

I BLAME @TIMSTONE

@DanG looks like you are right, brenz.net/services/l337Maker.asp

hides

4:04 AM

Crikey! They finally fixed the Epic badge. At least for me. :-P

Anyone hear about these SE stickers? Do they still exist?

looks to the right Seems so.

Stack Overflow Blog: How to Get Stack Overflow Stickers

Posted by Jeff Atwood on September 8th, 2009

Like any rational human being, you probably have an insatiable desire for Stack Overflow Trilogy stickers. It’s only natural.

But how do you get your hands on these sweet, sweet, hunks of colored vinyl?

Good news! You can!

Simply mail a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope to:

Stack Overflow Stickers Stack Overflow Internet Services, Inc 55 Broadway, 26th Floor New York, NY 10006

The returned envelope will contain one Stack Overflow, one Super User, and one Server Fault sticker. However, if you’d like all three stickers to be of one particular type, no problem; just indicate that preference somewhere on the envelope. …

I don't know what to do with website stickers. I have dozens of them (and a few hundred with one of my own site names on them) and never anything I felt compelled to stick one to.

According to the blog post, I can send in an envelope and get some stickers...

4:11 AM

You can send me an envelope and I'll send you W3Counter stickers.

I used to have a bunch of them (and I still have a bunch of Coding Horror ones from when I visited Jeff two years ago). But when we moved houses, I can't remember where I placed anything any more.

I once did a mailing and I got a router. And a green screen.

errrrrrrrrr

@RebeccaChernoff No Meta sticker? Fail. :-P

Well, you have an ugly ThinkPad to cover up. I have a beautiful metal Envy.

4:12 AM

why is that upside down? |:

@DanGrossman I don't think I've ever used any of those stickers that come with some motherboards/CPUs. I just know it'll eventually be a lie if I stick it to the outside of the case. :)

I don't have a MSO sticker!

Ok, I swear, I'm looking at the picture in my folder and it is right-side up.

@TimStone Are those Bose headphones I see?

4:13 AM

@GeorgeMarian Indeed they are

Pretty decent for $120, no?

Mine like that broke, Ineed to send them off for the reduced replacement rate

I got them as a gift a few years ago, so even better. :D

Nice.

What's that last sticker?

4:14 AM

I just solve the issue by either not listening to audio or working in private places.

@Dan HowToGeek

@RebeccaChernoff That's probably because your photo software interprets EXIF data, whereas imgur doesn't.

hmm

@RebeccaChernoff The EXIF data would instruct your program to rotate the picture before showing it.

mm

yeah

Drat. Encore just crashed.

4:16 AM

STICKERS!

That's it.

@Moshe Is that an Apple program? :-P

@MichaelMrozek \o/

No it's Adobe. But it is on Mac. Yes, many programs crash on Mac OS. The OS itself is decently stable.

GET /PwEYS.jpg HTTP/1.1
Host: i.imgur.com

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: nginx/0.8.54
Content-Type: image/jpeg
Last-Modified: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:12:56 GMT
Expires: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:12:56 GMT
Cache-Control: max-age=31536000
Content-Length: 126122
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:15:51 GMT
X-Varnish: 1797079633 1797073932
Age: 174
Via: 1.1 varnish
Connection: close
X-Cache: HIT
X-Cache-Hits: 5

JFIFCGô"

I guess I've just identified how many people in this room hit the same CDN

4:18 AM

@RebeccaChernoff ...did you just invoke your staff privilege to edit messages beyond the 2minute threshold? :-O

Yay for programs that crash AFTER a two hour transcode and BEFORE a save. Ugh.

@Moshe That's ALWAYS when they crash.

@RebeccaChernoff That reminds me -- I don't recall any pictures of you in an SO shirt

@ChrisJesterYoung All mods can

@MichaelMrozek That may be because there are no fitted SO tshirts, amirite?

@DanG and I can't wait up for it to finish again. I have to return the equipment tomorrow morning.

4:19 AM

@MichaelMrozek There's an article in GeekFeminism that discusses that topic. Lemme hunt a link.

Early.

@MichaelMrozek Same diff. :-P

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BTW, in case you haven't seen this yet, apparently Taco Bell's beef is only 36% beef

Sathya

@DanGrossman Envy 14/15 ?

4:20 AM

@DanGrossman Your photoshop skills are impressive

@Sathya 14

@MichaelMrozek geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/T-shirts

@MichaelMrozek Paint

If anyone knows anything about programatically calculating Sunrise and sunset in objectiveC or C, please let me know.

@DanGrossman bwahahaha

4:21 AM

@DanGrossman: mad skillz

@moshe users.electromagnetic.net/bu/astro/sunrise-set.php

@Moshe I know that the algorithm is miserable in all languages

I did it in Java once. And then proceeded to kill things

BTW, you don't want to do a Google video search for @rchern's name

@DanGrossman Heh.

KronoS

I see that my question is even getting attention here... but sadly still no answer from Jeff himself :(

4:25 AM

@MichaelMrozek what is the basic theory?

What question?

Q: Don't you think that it's time for some Stack Exchange shirts?

@Moshe Dan's link is the same one I followed

KronoS

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This is for you Jeff. We're asking and begging and pleading (and maybe even willing to pay) for some shirts!!!! We know you've got to have some hiding under your bed. Don't you think it's time to share with those that deserve it? Perhaps to the newly elected mods, or maybe even all those th...

discussion feature-request t-shirt

@RebeccaChernoff

Ah

How interesting. (:

Why do people think it's alright to post a question that basically says "I uploaded some 'source code' in a zip file to a shady porn download site (rapidshare/megaupload/etc). Download it and fix it for me."

:downvotes, registers a second account and downvotes again:

4:30 AM

You don't already have a network of sockpuppets? For shame

Only one, accidentally, because SO decided to make a second account when I tried to register a second openid provider. I don't really want to add Facebook to my account enough to request them merged.

How old is that image?

Q: My css dropdown menu appears 1 out of 5 times. Why ?

I am voting to close this because a transient link to a potentially malicious file to fix = too localized, not of general value to a worldwide audience.

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Dear all, I have coded a css dropdown menu. But when I hover over the parent menu, a child menu appears and when I try to hover over it to click it, the dropdown menu disappears. I have included a link to a file containing the source code. Here it is -> Download Link If someone can tell me a w...

html css dropdown

@NickT 1997 or so?

@NickT oh wow

@NickT I think 1999 or later actually... that looks like an IE5 logo not IE4

4:35 AM

You know the page was designed by somebody who's a web pro when you see that...bcs.whfreeman.com/pierce3e

> Internet Explorer: 5.5

I'm gonna guess that's the version it's targeted at

Win2k = IE5?

@NickT sounds right

This is the website of a current college web design professor: web.stcloudstate.edu/aoolagunju

@DanGrossman yes I saw that

4:37 AM

At least he specified height/width tags on his <img>

I didn't, I was too distracted by the scrolling, rolling panda.

That panda is fantastic

"This Site is used for education! I have nothing to sell!!!"

I'm not sure what the "My Faith" link even goes to... a .mht file?

> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11">

4:39 AM

that's a file that IE kicks out when you save a webpage I think, rolls all the content into one file

@NickT -1 No marquee

Again, he teaches web design at college. He has tenure.

@DanGrossman Oh, I missed that he teaches web design. That's worrisome

er....I'm broken ow

he just trolled everyone

4:39 AM

brain hurt

He has a "XHTML basics" page which goes to some kind of PPSX slideshow

@MichaelMrozek That reminds me: w3.org/TR/css3-marquee <-- marquee for the 21st century!

> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

@DanGrossman at a community college, maybe. I don't think tenure means in that case what you think it means

@MichaelMrozek Yes, that's a serious proposal...just waiting for two independent implementations.

4:41 AM

oh wait

that's a university?

Master's in Engineering?

He teaches network security too. For those students.

web.stcloudstate.edu/aoolagunju/amos1/cna432/cna432.html

ow ow ow ow ow

this is worse web.stcloudstate.edu/aoolagunju/amos1/ScDiscovPgm/…

His "my articles" goes to a page that lists papers he's reviewed...hasn't he written any?

8/22/08-Present Interim Dean, Undergraduate Studies

8/26/02-Present Tenured Professor, Computer Network & Applications, St. Cloud

just shoot me

8/1998- 6/30/01 Tenured Professor and Chairman, Department of Computer and Information Sciences, Delaware State University. Developed

wait, how does someone go from tenured to tenured without serving as adjunct or associate for a while?

something confuses me here

Del. State? heh

4:46 AM

@TimStone I know Del is short for Delaware, but in this case, I think we can change that to Deli. The guy is a ham.

</pun>

I don't understand how you can have such technical knowledge to teach network security, ask students to implement RSA as a project, RUN an information science department... yet you use Microsoft Word to make webpages

Ok, back to figuring out genotypes for my fruit flies now

He kept jumping around

I'm thinking he's fluffed his resume

Clearly not with screenshots.

@drachenstern I dunno. If you wanna analyze resumes, mine is on my website.

4:48 AM

@DanGrossman Network != Web. Maybe he's huge into networks and security and stuff, but thumbs his nose at the Web.

@Moshe I don't

we were looking at a specific resume

Heh. Didn't think so.

I should upload mine for sharing

wonder what I did with it

I know.

I made one on careers.SO and paid for an annual listing, it actually gets job offers

4:49 AM

@DanGrossman I dislike a lot of Web technologies myself too. I mean, ugh, JS, what's that? (Just kidding. JS is actually much nicer than PHP. Which, granted, says very little. Oh well.)

@DanGrossman Yes it does, but they all want me to relocate, which I won't do.

@RebeccaChernoff I kinda-sorta figured out what the issue with the userscript is, now you can figure out how to come up with a simpler test case to replicate it. ;)

o:

do tell!

@ChrisJesterYoung (I know, it's fashionable to hate on PHP, so I apologise for shooting fish in a barrel, etc. :-P)

Q: Auto-deleting old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

@TimStone I gotta hear this

Jeff Atwood

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Related to meta.su efforts: Old unanswered inactive questions with low views/votes and meta.sf efforts: Cleaning house, really old, unloved questions We already auto-remove negatively voted unanswered old questions automatically after 30 days, network wide, with no human intervention required...

discussion status-completed delete unanswered-questions

4:51 AM

Well, I don't have anything we can report yet because I don't have a simple test case.

Jeff Atwood

final query, discuss amongst yourselves

But basically in certain cases, calling Function.apply() obliterates the current function scope.

Well I can't come up with a simple test case if you can't explain it. (;

And invalidates any variable references that are not local to that function.

Grrr, how does Genesis keep popping up in my playlist, I thought I killed it all.

4:52 AM

(they all end up pointing to the DOMWindow for some reason)

So I'll paste the link in just a moment, but I want to remove it afterwards

@JeffAtwood what about the NULL case on the votes, did you ever respond to that?

Jeff Atwood

that is so 2 days ago

Oh I see now

sorry, slow reader

BURNINATE!

Yay @Kragen's data.se changes are live, you can now see execution plans for your queries

4:54 AM

Hooray!

I like it @JeffAtwood

@Jeff but what happens to the down votes if the questions are deleted?

@waffles nice

@Moshe they disappear

Wouldn't that affect peoples rep?

@Moshe yes

which requires a rep recalc to resolve

4:55 AM

Yes, and it happens all the time, heh.

which has been discussed to DEATH on MSO

keep the patches coming :) (how I wish data.se had the ability to render graphs)

@TimStone it seems like you can code up some semi recursive methods to demonstrate that

Plug in google charts or somethin', no extra load for SE

@waffles what sorts of graphs? ;)

4:56 AM

@waffles I've actually been interested in poking around with it, what VS version is the project?

I guess that isn't terrible, if a troll wastes a bit of my rep on bad questions that need down votes, but what if the question has an up vote and it wasn't asked by a troll, but someone with a few K?

@TimStone it is VS 2010 ... I am seriously thinking of upgrading to mvc 3 ... it would be kind of cool

@Moshe Remember: this applies to questions with no answers, low viewcount, etc.

@waffles webresourcesdepot.com/… seen this before?

@Moshe I personally wouldn't object to seeing questions like that get garbage collected.

4:57 AM

@Chris I know.

@waffles, I pressed Run Query while the page was loading results (because I didn't realize it was auto running the query when I loaded a direct link to the query), and I got taken to data.stackexchange.com/query/1 which just says {"captcha":true}, maybe Run Query should be disabled when it is, uh, Running the Query? (:

@waffles Ah, I'll need to snag a copy of that first then (Haven't been the one working on the .NET stuff around here recently), but should be do-able, neat. :)

Ok, just checking. I am not in disagreement with that then.

@drachenstern it would be nice to be able to graph rep per day ... and other time based queries ... and X and Y data series support would be a great start ... we can even have conventions for the column names

have not seen the google finance graphy thingy

well it's not quite google finance, this is strictly HTML5 javascript/canvas stuff and it's by a different group

4:59 AM

usually I really like flot (code.google.com/p/flot) it supports pretty much everything:)

but it's totally OS

I wonder if taking owner's account age/rep into account would help or hurt that query @JeffAtwood.